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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 20, 2018 20:39:32 GMT -5
Powerthirteen - Perhaps I should clarify. Radiohead don't have the right emotional cadence for a Bond theme. Especially now when everything is lost in electronic washes, skittering emotions and wailing there's really no obvious way of converting that into a workable Bond theme, and sorry but the Spectre you posted there wouldn't work any better than Smith. To be honest, even though I ranked The Writing's On The Wall almost last, the idea of using Sam Smith to do a Bond theme makes sense - he's certainly got the voice for it and, given the right material, he could probably turn out a decent Bond theme. As a rule, although she seems like a delightful individual and has a great voice I strongly dislike Adele's music, but she's a perfect choice to sing Skyfall and the song and performance are stunning. That's what Smith needed to make using an artist like him work. And that's what I'd fear Radiohead would give us - a Radiohead song, possibly even a good Radiohead song (and I'm sure The Writing's On The Wall is likely a good Sam Smith song) but one wholly inappropriate for a Bond movie. Oh, yeah, it's terrible as a Bond theme. But I love the sheer chutzpah of, a), someone asking Radiohead to do a Bond theme, and b), Radiohead turning around and giving them that song. If the James Bond franchise pivoted to something that "Spectre" was an appropriate song for, that would be COOL. |
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Post by Tellyfier on Dec 13, 2018 4:58:01 GMT -5
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Post by Prole Hole on Dec 13, 2018 5:33:28 GMT -5
Sounds like a good weekend!
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Post by pairesta on Feb 27, 2019 7:44:22 GMT -5
Casino Royale: Now it's Netflix's turn to have streaming Bond movies: they have this and Goldfinger, at least. Didn't search to see what else is on there. Anyways, this was basically the last movie I was holding out for to watch with my daughter.
Watching this, it occurred to me that I haven't seen it in its entirety since it went to a premium channel for the first time. While I've always gone on here about it being probably my #2 Bond movie, it seriously threatens FRWL for the top spot. It's hugely entertaining, smart and slick, sexy as hell, and fearless in moving the character forwards. It's like they took the best parts of the best Bond movies and rolled them into this one. I'm mad all over again at how badly they dropped the ball on subsequent Craig movies: is it really that hard to do?
It just moves along breathlessly: I don't really think the card game sequences slow it down at all, since there's lots of great character building happening at the same time (and again, we have the golf game in Goldfinger as the counter-example). I mean objectively, two and a half hours is pretty long, but I just don't know what could be cut (maybe the early stuff, like the Bodyworks sequence?).
It's surprising to me that Martin Campbell directed both this and Goldeneye. Yes, they are two resets of the series, but both are so thoroughly of their time that it's hard to believe the same director did them both. (Although you can see the same brutality in the fights and action sequences in Goldeneye that later comes to the fore in CR.)
My daughter was a little doubtful at first (she was hoping we'd be continuing our MCU run through), but was sold and got into it quickly. She loved the opening construction scene chase and was shocked when Bond shot the burned dude at the embassy. "M is gonna be pissed!"
"That is iconic." She gasped when Craig first shows up in his tuxedo. "When I think of tuxedos I think of James Bond." "Ohhhh, she is dead. DEEEAAAAD!" She cried triumphantly when Bond confesses his love to Vesper.
When we had a scene of Bond drinking champagne, she adorably wondered aloud why he didn't order it "shaken, not stirred". "Hey I don't know that world!" She said defensively when I gently corrected her. "You go right on not knowing it, honey."
"I really liked it. Not as much as--what was the one with Jaws in it?--but it was really good." She said when we were done. She looked a little sad when I told her we were done with the Bond movies now.
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 27, 2019 8:56:34 GMT -5
Casino Royale: Now it's Netflix's turn to have streaming Bond movies: they have this and Goldfinger, at least. Didn't search to see what else is on there. Anyways, this was basically the last movie I was holding out for to watch with my daughter. Watching this, it occurred to me that I haven't seen it in its entirety since it went to a premium channel for the first time. While I've always gone on here about it being probably my #2 Bond movie, it seriously threatens FRWL for the top spot. It's hugely entertaining, smart and slick, sexy as hell, and fearless in moving the character forwards. It's like they took the best parts of the best Bond movies and rolled them into this one. I'm mad all over again at how badly they dropped the ball on subsequent Craig movies: is it really that hard to do? It just moves along breathlessly: I don't really think the card game sequences slow it down at all, since there's lots of great character building happening at the same time (and again, we have the golf game in Goldfinger as the counter-example). I mean objectively, two and a half hours is pretty long, but I just don't know what could be cut (maybe the early stuff, like the Bodyworks sequence?). It's surprising to me that Martin Campbell directed both this and Goldeneye. Yes, they are two resets of the series, but both are so thoroughly of their time that it's hard to believe the same director did them both. (Although you can see the same brutality in the fights and action sequences in Goldeneye that later comes to the fore in CR.) My daughter was a little doubtful at first (she was hoping we'd be continuing our MCU run through), but was sold and got into it quickly. She loved the opening construction scene chase and was shocked when Bond shot the burned dude at the embassy. "M is gonna be pissed!" "That is iconic." She gasped when Craig first shows up in his tuxedo. "When I think of tuxedos I think of James Bond." "Ohhhh, she is dead. DEEEAAAAD!" She cried triumphantly when Bond confesses his love to Vesper. When we had a scene of Bond drinking champagne, she adorably wondered aloud why he didn't order it "shaken, not stirred". "Hey I don't know that world!" She said defensively when I gently corrected her. "You go right on not knowing it, honey." "I really liked it. Not as much as--what was the one with Jaws in it?--but it was really good." She said when we were done. She looked a little sad when I told her we were done with the Bond movies now. Well, until Shatterhand! I think if the Venice section felt tonally of a piece with the rest of the movie you may have a point about it threatening FRLW. The card game would be more forgivable and I am sympathetic to what it's trying to achieve, but between the card game and the tonal misstep of Venice it just slightly pulls it down, though honestly there's very little between this, Goldeneye and FRLW. It's still my number 3 though and a great movie. |
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Post by pairesta on Feb 27, 2019 9:52:52 GMT -5
Speaking of Venice, I forgot to ask: outside of London, is Venice the most-used locale across the James Bond franchise?
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 1, 2019 1:15:58 GMT -5
Speaking of Venice, I forgot to ask: outside of London, is Venice the most-used locale across the James Bond franchise? Looked this up: tie between Venice, HK, and Istanbul |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 1, 2019 7:35:56 GMT -5
Speaking of Venice, I forgot to ask: outside of London, is Venice the most-used locale across the James Bond franchise? Looked this up: tie between Venice, HK, and Istanbul Interesting! But I'm struggling to think of when Istanbul has been used other than FRWL? Was it in The Living Daylights too? But where else? |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2019 8:24:57 GMT -5
Looked this up: tie between Venice, HK, and Istanbul Interesting! But I'm struggling to think of when Istanbul has been used other than FRWL? Was it in The Living Daylights too? But where else? The World Is Not Enough - it's Istanbul that's being threatened by some guy Robert Carlyle So, Hive Mind, how are we feeling about professional lip-syncher Rami Malek as our potential new Bond 25 villain? |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 1, 2019 9:01:14 GMT -5
Interesting! But I'm struggling to think of when Istanbul has been used other than FRWL? Was it in The Living Daylights too? But where else? The World Is Not Enough - it's Istanbul that's being threatened by some guy Robert Carlyle So, Hive Mind, how are we feeling about professional lip-syncher Rami Malek as our potential new Bond 25 villain? I didn't know that. He seems way too young to be the main villain. Maybe the henchman Bond faces off against (I just realized: have the Craig-era Bond movies even had the Main Henchman trope?), like in the Benicio Del Toro in License to Kill mode. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2019 11:12:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm assuming he'd be a power-behind-the-throne type bad guy rather than a traditional henchperson. He's only about 8% away from that in Mr Robot as it is so it's not difficult to imagine him getting that kind of character.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 1, 2019 12:57:26 GMT -5
Looked this up: tie between Venice, HK, and Istanbul Interesting! But I'm struggling to think of when Istanbul has been used other than FRWL? Was it in The Living Daylights too? But where else? The opening of Skyfall, IIRC |
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Post by MarkInTexas on Mar 1, 2019 13:47:16 GMT -5
I know it's fashionable to dump on Malek now that he's won an undeserved Oscar, but he is a really good actor, and I'm interested in seeing what he'll bring to the role. My main worry is that he looks so very young (he is 37, but he looks about ten years younger), and holding your own against Craig is not an easy thing to do.
Another concern--I don't think that Bond villains need to be a succession of evil old white guys, but when they have hired minority actors to play the villains before, the result is not always, shall we say, woke. So, yeah, the writers are going to have to tread very, very carefully.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 1, 2019 14:06:43 GMT -5
The World Is Not Enough - it's Istanbul that's being threatened by some guy Robert Carlyle So, Hive Mind, how are we feeling about professional lip-syncher Rami Malek as our potential new Bond 25 villain? I didn't know that. He seems way too young to be the main villain. Maybe the henchman Bond faces off against (I just realized: have the Craig-era Bond movies even had the Main Henchman trope?), like in the Benicio Del Toro in License to Kill mode. Hinx (Dave Bautista) in Spectre. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2019 14:51:45 GMT -5
I know it's fashionable to dump on Malek now that he's won an undeserved Oscar, but he is a really good actor, and I'm interested in seeing what he'll bring to the role. My main worry is that he looks so very young (he is 37, but he looks about ten years younger), and holding your own against Craig is not an easy thing to do. Another concern--I don't think that Bond villains need to be a succession of evil old white guys, but when they have hired minority actors to play the villains before, the result is not always, shall we say, woke. So, yeah, the writers are going to have to tread very, very carefully. I must say I think Malek is an excellent actor, i was just being flippant describing him as a professional lip-syncher. He's basically BoRap's sole redeeming feature, but yes, he's a very talented person and he could be a fantastic villain. I pointed out at the time but there's only ever been one principal not-white bad guy in the whole of the Bond movies and that is... Kananga in Live And Let Die. And you all know how I feel about that movie. (You could possibly make a case for Dr No, but I'm not going to be the one that does it. And Grace Jones is never the principal villain unless you want to include her performance.) I hope you guys will unsurprised to learn that I will review Shatterhand (which it almost certainly wont be called) after its release. So this thread will continue! |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 17:00:33 GMT -5
I know it's fashionable to dump on Malek now that he's won an undeserved Oscar, but he is a really good actor, and I'm interested in seeing what he'll bring to the role. My main worry is that he looks so very young (he is 37, but he looks about ten years younger), and holding your own against Craig is not an easy thing to do. Another concern--I don't think that Bond villains need to be a succession of evil old white guys, but when they have hired minority actors to play the villains before, the result is not always, shall we say, woke. So, yeah, the writers are going to have to tread very, very carefully. I must say I think Malek is an excellent actor, i was just being flippant describing him as a professional lip-syncher. He's basically BoRap's sole redeeming feature, but yes, he's a very talented person and he could be a fantastic villain. I pointed out at the time but there's only ever been one not-white bad guy in the whole of the Bond movies and that is... Kananga in Live And Let Die. And you all know how I feel about that movie. (You could possibly make a case for Dr No, but I'm not going to be the one that does it. And Grace Jones is never the principal villain unless you want to include her performance.) I hope you guys will unsurprised to learn that I will review Shatterhand (which it almost certainly wont be called) after its release. So this thread will continue! Sanchez in License to Kill, Scarmanga in Golden Gun, Kamal Khan in Octopussy, and Silva in Skyfall are all non white villains. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2019 17:07:28 GMT -5
You're right - for some reason my gin-soaked brain substituted non-white for black. My mistake. Though I don't take Khan as the principal villain (I've mentioned before I think it's Orlov), and Scaramanga is debatable (the name implies non-white, the actor and performance absolutely do not)
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Post by Deleted on Mar 1, 2019 18:08:17 GMT -5
You're right - for some reason my gin-soaked brain substituted non-white for black. My mistake. Though I don't take Khan as the principal villain (I've mentioned before I think it's Orlov), and Scaramanga is debatable (the name implies non-white, the actor and performance absolutely do not) Oh yeah, Christopher Lee definitely is white, but the character is definitely supposed to be non white. Falls into that weird Dr. No territory. |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Mar 31, 2019 18:42:17 GMT -5
...rest in peace, Tania Mallet.   |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Apr 8, 2019 19:46:45 GMT -5
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Post by Prole Hole on Apr 25, 2019 9:42:21 GMT -5
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Post by pairesta on Apr 25, 2019 12:51:48 GMT -5
No mention of Blofeld, so unless he's the "mysterious villain armed with dangerous new technology" mentioned, hopefully they're aborting the whole Spectre thing. Oh wow I just realized whenever this comes out, my daughter might want to go see it with me. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Apr 25, 2019 17:33:45 GMT -5
These are always at least faintly terrible and I will as always be there opening weekend enjoying myself immensely. Also, I hope they don't kill off Lea Seydoux in the first ten minutes. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Apr 26, 2019 4:46:20 GMT -5
These are always at least faintly terrible and I will as always be there opening weekend enjoying myself immensely. Also, I hope they don't kill off Lea Seydoux in the first ten minutes. I am honestly shocked ( shocked!) to discover she's coming back. I know that the Craig films have a greater emphasis on through-movie continuity, but for all it's flaws, Bond picking up the Aston, getting the girl and driving off into the metaphorical sunset was a good ending to that (let's be generous) arc. They could have done this one as a simple standalone Bond-goes-on-a-mission (which I would have been very down for), but back she comes. Since Lea was a rare bright spark in Spectre I'm fine with this, assuming she isn't fridged within the first ten minutes... |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 26, 2019 7:28:02 GMT -5
Guys, what if Lea Seydoux IS the "mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology"?
Please note I am not responsible for the cost of cleaning up your minds after I just blew them out of your skulls.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 26, 2019 7:31:34 GMT -5
Guys, what if Lea Seydoux IS the "mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology"? Please note I am not responsible for the cost of cleaning up your minds after I just blew them out of your skulls. No, she's clearly playing Blofeld this time around. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 26, 2019 8:37:17 GMT -5
Guys, what if Lea Seydoux IS the "mysterious villain armed with a dangerous new technology"? Please note I am not responsible for the cost of cleaning up your minds after I just blew them out of your skulls. No, she's clearly playing Blofeld this time around. "The woman I love happens to be the head of my arch-nemesis organization oh and also she is my brother." |
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Post by Prole Hole on Apr 26, 2019 11:01:13 GMT -5
No, she's clearly playing Blofeld this time around. "The woman I love happens to be the head of my arch-nemesis organization oh and also she is my brother." *gasps* |
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Apr 26, 2019 21:23:59 GMT -5
Yay, Jeffrey Wright as Felix Leiter is coming back!  |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jul 13, 2019 7:51:44 GMT -5
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