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Post by Ben Grimm on May 1, 2017 13:24:27 GMT -5
Inspired by my little haiku in the Box Office thread. Apparently there's a range of opinions on this issue.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on May 1, 2017 19:02:11 GMT -5
It has 2. "Wire" may sound like it has 2 syllables by itself, but in fact that is a diphthong, which is only one syllable.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 19:39:37 GMT -5
Who the fuck voted three
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 1, 2017 21:33:28 GMT -5
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Post by Celebith on May 2, 2017 8:11:57 GMT -5
For poetry, it could be both. Like Budweiser! ETA: Poll needs "It can be two things!"
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 2, 2017 8:25:55 GMT -5
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Post by Tea Rex on May 2, 2017 11:51:00 GMT -5
*tsk* Its a case of spelling fucking with the linguistic rules. Many people pronounce fire, wire, tire and so on as they would buyer or crier because the R takes over and warps the word. If we threw in a y or extra i to emphasize the warp and solidify the split between the beginning noises of the word from the ending noises of the word, linguists would accept that it has two syllables. But since it's just one vowel before the r, it's all ooooh, that's a dipthong, only one syllable TECHNICALLY, and they get into such a snit when you point out that the spelling no longer reflects the pronunciation.
Humph. Humph, I say!
Edit: I now voted 3 to rabble rouse.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 2, 2017 12:35:41 GMT -5
*tsk* Its a case of spelling fucking with the linguistic rules. Many people pronounce fire, wire, tire and so on as they would buyer or crier because the R takes over and warps the word. If we threw in a y or extra i to emphasize the warp and solidify the split between the beginning noises of the word from the ending noises of the word, linguists would accept that it has two syllables. But since it's just one vowel before the r, it's all ooooh, that's a dipthong, only one syllable TECHNICALLY, and they get into such a snit when you point out that the spelling no longer reflects the pronunciation. Humph. Humph, I say! Edit: I now voted 3 to rabble rouse. But, of course, there are many dialects in which it legitimately does elide to "fahr"! Who's to say which is the TRUE dialect? Also, as the discussion I linked to points out, it's still a diphthong in the two-syllable pronunciation, it's just a diphthong followed by a schwa.
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Post by Tea Rex on May 2, 2017 12:41:47 GMT -5
*tsk* Its a case of spelling fucking with the linguistic rules. Many people pronounce fire, wire, tire and so on as they would buyer or crier because the R takes over and warps the word. If we threw in a y or extra i to emphasize the warp and solidify the split between the beginning noises of the word from the ending noises of the word, linguists would accept that it has two syllables. But since it's just one vowel before the r, it's all ooooh, that's a dipthong, only one syllable TECHNICALLY, and they get into such a snit when you point out that the spelling no longer reflects the pronunciation. Humph. Humph, I say! Edit: I now voted 3 to rabble rouse. But, of course, there are many dialects in which it legitimately does elide to "fahr"! Who's to say which is the TRUE dialect? Also, as the discussion I linked to points out, it's still a diphthong in the two-syllable pronunciation, it's just a diphthong followed by a schwa. THAT MOTHERFUCKING SNEAKY MOTHERFUCKER OF A SCHWA
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on May 2, 2017 13:57:51 GMT -5
*tsk* Its a case of spelling fucking with the linguistic rules. Many people pronounce fire, wire, tire and so on as they would buyer or crier because the R takes over and warps the word. If we threw in a y or extra i to emphasize the warp and solidify the split between the beginning noises of the word from the ending noises of the word, linguists would accept that it has two syllables. But since it's just one vowel before the r, it's all ooooh, that's a dipthong, only one syllable TECHNICALLY, and they get into such a snit when you point out that the spelling no longer reflects the pronunciation. Humph. Humph, I say! Edit: I now voted 3 to rabble rouse. But, of course, there are many dialects in which it legitimately does elide to "fahr"! Who's to say which is the TRUE dialect? Also, as the discussion I linked to points out, it's still a diphthong in the two-syllable pronunciation, it's just a diphthong followed by a schwa. Me. I am to say which is the TRUE dialect. Fire has two syllables.
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Post by Dellarigg on May 2, 2017 15:28:37 GMT -5
What was the line in the haiku, and could you not have used a different word rather than put us all through this?
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Post by HipsterDBag on May 2, 2017 15:34:59 GMT -5
Four. NEW-suh-WAH-ray.
I am in agreement and disagreement with Tea because I pronounce the vowels in "fire" and "crier" the same, but both with just one syllable. This is problematic, since I have a strongly non-rhotic accent, and thus "cry" and "crier" are pronounced exactly the same in my accent.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 2, 2017 15:38:15 GMT -5
What was the line in the haiku, and could you not have used a different word rather than put us all through this? It never even occurred to me that people would think NewsWire would have more than two syllables.
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Post by Dellarigg on May 2, 2017 15:47:10 GMT -5
What was the line in the haiku, and could you not have used a different word rather than put us all through this? It never even occurred to me that people would think NewsWire would have more than two syllables. I haven't voted yet because I can't decide and don't really care.
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on May 2, 2017 16:26:43 GMT -5
I'm concerned now that Google will notice how much the word "diphthong" is appearing in the sites I'm visiting and target ads accordingly...
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 2, 2017 22:21:47 GMT -5
Nine.
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on May 3, 2017 19:36:19 GMT -5
I'm going to start using "diphthong" as a swear word. It just sounds so right.
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Post by dLᵒ on May 3, 2017 23:28:25 GMT -5
I'm going to start using "diphthong" as a swear word. It just sounds so right. The first time I heard 'pergola' I thought it was slur.
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on May 3, 2017 23:53:52 GMT -5
I'm going to start using "diphthong" as a swear word. It just sounds so right. The first time I heard 'pergola' I thought it was slur. This was a product of it's time, of course, attitudes have changed and many of the implied slurs would never resonate with any voters today, but it is still pretty clever wordplay: Guaranteed Effective All-Occasion Non-Slanderous Political Smear Speech By Bill Garvin MAD #139, December 1970 My fellow citizens, it is an honor and a pleasure to be here today. My opponent has openly admitted he feels an affinity toward your city, but I happen to like this area. It might be a salubrious place to him, but to me it is one of the nation's most delightful garden spots. When I embarked upon this political campaign I hoped that it could be conducted on a high level and that my opponent would be willing to stick to the issues. Unfortunately, he has decided to be tractable instead -- to indulge in unequivocal language, to eschew the use of outright lies in his speeches, and even to make repeated veracious statements about me. At first, I tried to ignore these scrupulous, unvarnished fidelities. Now I do so no longer. If my opponent wants a fight, he's going to get one ! It might be instructive to start with his background. My friends, have you ever accidentally dislodged a rock on the ground and seen what was underneath ? Well, exploring my opponent's background is dissimilar. All the slime and filth and corruption you could possibly imagine, even in your wildest dreams, are glaringly nonexistent in this man's life. And even during his childhood ! Let us take a very quick look at that childhood: It is a known fact that, on a number of occasions, he emulated older boys at a certain playground. It is also known that his parents not only permitted him to masticate excessively in their presence, but even urged him to do so. Most explicable of all, this man who poses as a paragon of virtue exacerbated his own sister while they were both teenagers ! I ask you, my fellow Americans: is this the kind of person we want in public office to set an example for our youth ? Of course, it's not surprising that he should have such a typically pristine background -- no, not when you consider the other members of his family: His female relatives put on a constant pose of purity and innocence, and claim they are inscrutable, yet every one of them has taken part in hortatory activities The men in the family are likewise completely amenable to moral suasion My opponent's second cousin is a Mormon His uncle was a flagrant heterosexual His sister, who has always been obsessed by sects, once worked as a proselyte outside a church His father was secretly chagrined at least a dozen times by matters of a pecuniary nature His youngest brother wrote an essay extolling the virtues of being a homosapien His great-aunt expired from a degenerative disease His nephew subscribes to a phonographic magazine His wife was a thespian before their marriage and even performed the act in front of paying customers And his own mother had to resign from a women's organization in her later years because she was an admitted sexagenarian Now what shall we say of the man himself ? I can tell you in solemn truth that he is the very antithesis of political radicalism, economic irresponsibility, and personal depravity. His own record proves that he has frequently discountenanced treasonable, un-American philosophies and has perpetrated many overt acts as well. He perambulated his infant son on the street He practiced nepotism with his uncle and first cousin He attempted to interest a 13-year-old girl in philately He participated in a seance at a private residence where, among other odd goings-on, there was incense He has declared himself in favor of more homogeneity on college campuses He has advocated social intercourse in mixed company -- and has taken part in such gatherings himself He has been deliberately averse to crime in our streets He has urged our Protestant and Jewish citizens to develop more catholic tastes Last summer he committed a piscatorial act on a boat that was flying the American flag Finally, at a time when we must be on our guard against all foreign "isms", he has coolly announced his belief in altruism -- and his fervent hope that some day this entire nation will be altruistic ! I beg you, my friends, to oppose this man whose life and work and ideas are so openly and avowedly compatible with our American way of life. A vote for him would be a vote for the perpetuation of everything we hold dear. The facts are clear; the record speaks for itself. Do your duty.
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Post by ganews on May 4, 2017 23:05:16 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 5, 2017 0:01:26 GMT -5
But, of course, there are many dialects in which it legitimately does elide to "fahr"! Who's to say which is the TRUE dialect? Also, as the discussion I linked to points out, it's still a diphthong in the two-syllable pronunciation, it's just a diphthong followed by a schwa. Me. I am to say which is the TRUE dialect. Fire has two syllables. My two dictionaries also list it with two syllables. "Wire" is also listed with two syllables.
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