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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 17, 2017 12:47:40 GMT -5
I think I would enjoy this so much more if MacFarlane hadn't cast himself in such a large role. My mind just can't accept him as a leading man, and it really doesn't help that he has the range of a teaspoon.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 17, 2017 19:20:05 GMT -5
I think I would enjoy this so much more if MacFarlane hadn't cast himself in such a large role. My mind just can't accept him as a leading man, and it really doesn't help that he has the range of a teaspoon. Someone hasn't seen Logan Lucky |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 17, 2017 23:52:44 GMT -5
I think I would enjoy this so much more if MacFarlane hadn't cast himself in such a large role. My mind just can't accept him as a leading man, and it really doesn't help that he has the range of a teaspoon. Someone hasn't seen Logan Lucky Oh, is he good in that? |
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on Oct 18, 2017 8:35:18 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with Seth Macfarlane, but he doesn't scream to me Starship Captain. He's kind of smarmy.
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Oct 19, 2017 6:13:33 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with Seth Macfarlane, but he doesn't scream to me Starship Captain. He's kind of smarmy.  |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 19, 2017 7:16:59 GMT -5
I'm not that familiar with Seth Macfarlane, but he doesn't scream to me Starship Captain. He's kind of smarmy. Shatner had enough charm to forgive the smarm, MacFarlane...doesn't. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2017 9:29:39 GMT -5
I saw "About a Girl" last night. I liked it. Quite a bit, actually. In a perfect world, everyone would be 100% accepting of everyone, LGBTQ and otherwise. But I don't get the mentality of "This show is progressive, but not ENOUGH!" A step in the right direction is still a step... - 20 years ago I was one of those people who thought gay people were a tiny minority, and barely knew anything about bisexual or trans people.
- 10 years ago I was more accepting of everyone but still had hangups.
- Today I'd like to think I'm a lot more progressive and accepting of as many people as I can be.
A lot of that change over time was from shows and movies that "filled in the blanks" as it were. "About a Girl" wasn't a perfect show, but I think it was pretty good and moved in the right direction. - Bortus wasn't upset at Klyden for being born a female, but only for not sharing that with him as his spouse.
- Bortus and Klyden have disagreements with each other, with their colleagues and their species over what is best for the child, but once the decision is made, they are still focused on letting (now) him have the best life he possibly can.
- Social change is agonizingly slow in reality, so the "downer" ending, though nearly unbearably sad, is accurate. Hopefully it will change even more in the future?
EDIT - I found this piece on Vox about the episode. The Orville episode about an alien baby sex reassignment was exactly as confusing as it soundsI get the criticism, I really do...but give it time. |
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Post by sarapen on Oct 19, 2017 20:06:08 GMT -5
This show is just bringing out all the old Trekkies, isn't it?
Anyway, it's interesting that the viewscreen is real. I was wondering why it was so small when compared to the giant one on TNG.
I'm a couple of episodes behind but I hope they get the hang of having jokes and plot mesh together. You can get jokes arising from the plot and characters, dammit, you don't have to keep stopping the narrative for an out of place stand-up bit.
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Post by LazBro on Oct 19, 2017 23:14:07 GMT -5
I can't even pretend to be skeptical anymore. I have to admit that I really like this show. And the reason I know that is: all week I've been looking forward to the next episode. Like, actively thinking about it. (Except I rely on Hulu, so I can't see the new episode until tomorrow night at the earliest.)
I think The Orville may have also brought our full-series TNG re-watch to a halt. I don't want it to end, but it seems a little weird to watch old school TNG, when there's curiously new TNG to enjoy.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 20, 2017 17:41:24 GMT -5
I can't even pretend to be skeptical anymore. I have to admit that I really like this show. And the reason I know that is: all week I've been looking forward to the next episode. Like, actively thinking about it. (Except I rely on Hulu, so I can't see the new episode until tomorrow night at the earliest.) I think The Orville may have also brought our full-series TNG re-watch to a halt. I don't want it to end, but it seems a little weird to watch old school TNG, when there's curiously new TNG to enjoy. Unfortunately, it didn't air last night, so you'll be waiting until next week. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2017 23:43:38 GMT -5
S1Ep5, Pria - This was a good one too! I really like this show!
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Post by haysoos on Oct 29, 2017 7:27:29 GMT -5
So the latest episode, "Master Feed" is probably the best episode yet. Strong allegory/socio-political content, many of the jokes are actually funny, and what seems to be the standard needlessly crude throw-away joke sequence turns out to actually propel the plot. I don't think it's coincidence that the strongest episode so far also sidelines Seth Macfarlane.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 2, 2017 13:03:22 GMT -5
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Post by haysoos on Nov 2, 2017 21:33:02 GMT -5
Yup, episodes definitely stronger with Seth in smaller doses.
Next week seems to be bringing back the blue alien First Officer/ex-wife Tyra had sex with, which does not bode well.
The trailer seems to be shot so you don't get a look at his face. I'm guessing my first guess that he was Rob Lowe in an uncredited cameo is correct, and i just want my perspecacity on record. Unless I'm wrong, in which case i knew it definitely wasn't Rob Lowe all along.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Nov 3, 2017 6:32:17 GMT -5
Next week seems to be bringing back the blue alien First Officer/ex-wife Tyra had sex with, which does not bode well. The trailer seems to be shot so you don't get a look at his face. I'm guessing my first guess that he was Rob Lowe in an uncredited cameo is correct, and i just want my perspecacity on record. Unless I'm wrong, in which case i knew it definitely wasn't Rob Lowe all along. It was Rob Lowe. He'd posted this picture of himself in makeup around the time of the pilot.  |
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Post by haysoos on Nov 3, 2017 6:41:17 GMT -5
Next week seems to be bringing back the blue alien First Officer/ex-wife Tyra had sex with, which does not bode well. The trailer seems to be shot so you don't get a look at his face. I'm guessing my first guess that he was Rob Lowe in an uncredited cameo is correct, and i just want my perspecacity on record. Unless I'm wrong, in which case i knew it definitely wasn't Rob Lowe all along. It was Rob Lowe. He'd posted this picture of himself in makeup around the time of the pilot. I am so smrt! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 23:07:06 GMT -5
DAMMIT! I haven't been able to watch for several days, as Fox's website keeps giving me "We can't play this video" errors whenever I try to watch The Krill (or any other episode).
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 5, 2017 6:00:13 GMT -5
Watched the last two episodes yesterday and the show really seems to be figuring out the drama/humor balance. The show really seems to be coming into its own. They seem to be trying to give each of the bridge crew a spotlight episode lately, which is probably a very good idea.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2017 10:59:01 GMT -5
I liked what they were trying to do with the Master Feed episode, but it feels shallow/unfinished to me. I expected some sort of reveal about the Master Feed or the society itself, especially after John's narrow win. It was still decent, but so far I think it was the weakest episode.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 9, 2017 0:27:27 GMT -5
And Into the Fold made up for it. Very sweet interactions between Claire, her sons and Isaac.
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Post by sarapen on Nov 9, 2017 7:20:15 GMT -5
I liked what they were trying to do with the Master Feed episode, but it feels shallow/unfinished to me. I expected some sort of reveal about the Master Feed or the society itself, especially after John's narrow win. It was still decent, but so far I think it was the weakest episode. I expected them to hack the feed and just put up fake tweets supporting whatshisname but I guess that would have been less satisfying as a technobabble solution. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 12, 2017 21:17:11 GMT -5
Given the plot of the last episode, I'm kind of impressed they avoided any gay panic jokes.
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Post by LazBro on Nov 17, 2017 13:33:46 GMT -5
All the first name stuff bothers me for some reason. It makes sense between Ed and Kelly, given their history, but I want more formality in the way they address each other. For some reason it especially raises my hackles when they call the doc "Claire" instead of "Dr. Finn". Also, really any time but especially now, having a character whose whole schtick is aggressively coming on to the same woman is not a good look. Also...
Jesus! That Dr. Finn-Yaphit hookup was horrifying!
Overall funny episode, though.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2017 13:54:34 GMT -5
All the first name stuff bothers me for some reason. It makes sense between Ed and Kelly, given their history, but I want more formality in the way they address each other. For some reason it especially raises my hackles when they call the doc "Claire" instead of "Dr. Finn". Also, really any time but especially now, having a character whose whole schtick is aggressively coming on to the same woman is not a good look. Also...
Jesus! That Dr. Finn-Yaphit hookup was horrifying!
Overall funny episode, though.
It wasn't my favorite, but I thought it was okay... ...but my friend's wife, who is bi and an LGBT advocate, pointed out how horrible it was in many way, and I see her problems. As laid out by one of her friends: SPOILERS "The blue alien Grayson cheated on Mercer with in episode 1 returns with Rob Lowe playing him now. It is revealed that he gives off pheromones that cause people to “fall in love” and have sex.
The logic behind this is horrible. If they touch him, they become attracted to him. But if he touches someone else and they then touch another person, those two somehow fall in love without including the alien. It makes no damn sense.
Rather than get righteously indignant and use this crappy plot device to discuss consent, they use the pheromones to “solve” their B plot by forcing two warring enemies to “fall in love” with each other — even though it is explained that the feelings of love only last hours.
They also reveal that Grayson may have had her affair due to these same pheromones. Rather than apologizing for acting like a child and divorcing Grayson without ever discussing what happened, Mercer ignores the fact that his ex-wife was basically raped.
We are left understanding that for the rest of the show Mercer will petulantly continue the whole “will they or won’t they” charade, while Grayson waits for the man-boy captain to come around.
The offending Alien leaves at the end without any consequences." |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Nov 17, 2017 14:00:25 GMT -5
This show is kind of growing on me, and there were even parts of the ersatz Naked Now episode that I liked, but christ that resolution was all kinds of fucked up, ethically speaking. Injecting the ambassadors with pheromones so they become overwhelmingly attracted to each other against their will is not only criminal, but could easily be construed as an act of war. And literally no one questions the ethics of it. I feel like in a TNG episode that's something Picard would catch the Romulans doing, and then half the episode would be him struggling with the moral implications of revealing the truth and risking destroying a fragile peace. And then like two minutes later they reveal that both alien species share a common ancestor, so...why didn't they just go with that solution in the first place? And the less said about Yaphit/Claire, the better. The humor/drama balance is improving, but the show is still trying to have its cake and eat it too in terms of revering and subverting the Trek formula. |
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Post by LazBro on Nov 17, 2017 14:01:19 GMT -5
It wasn't my favorite, but I thought it was okay... ...but my friend's wife, who is bi and an LGBT advocate, pointed out how horrible it was in many way, and I see her problems. As laid out by one of her friends: SPOILERS "The blue alien Grayson cheated on Mercer with in episode 1 returns with Rob Lowe playing him now. It is revealed that he gives off pheromones that cause people to “fall in love” and have sex.
The logic behind this is horrible. If they touch him, they become attracted to him. But if he touches someone else and they then touch another person, those two somehow fall in love without including the alien. It makes no damn sense.
Rather than get righteously indignant and use this crappy plot device to discuss consent, they use the pheromones to “solve” their B plot by forcing two warring enemies to “fall in love” with each other — even though it is explained that the feelings of love only last hours.
They also reveal that Grayson may have had her affair due to these same pheromones. Rather than apologizing for acting like a child and divorcing Grayson without ever discussing what happened, Mercer ignores the fact that his ex-wife was basically raped.
We are left understanding that for the rest of the show Mercer will petulantly continue the whole “will they or won’t they” charade, while Grayson waits for the man-boy captain to come around.
The offending Alien leaves at the end without any consequences."
It wasn't a favorite of mine either, and I agree with all of this. There was some weak and also problematic plotting here. The resolution at the end - that the artifact showed proof of a common ancestor between the species and thus they would naturally agree to share the planet - was also lame. What I did like were the performances, especially MacFarlane and Palicki, who got to stretch a little bit. Mercer coming around to Darulio's charms was pretty funny, I thought, even if the reason is icky.
The cold open with Bortus just about to sing karaoke was also pretty great.
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Post by LazBro on Nov 17, 2017 14:04:05 GMT -5
My least favorite thing about the show is how pop culture apparently stopped in the mid-2000s.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Nov 17, 2017 14:05:47 GMT -5
All the first name stuff bothers me for some reason. It makes sense between Ed and Kelly, given their history, but I want more formality in the way they address each other. For some reason it especially raises my hackles when they call the doc "Claire" instead of "Dr. Finn". Also, really any time but especially now, having a character whose whole schtick is aggressively coming on to the same woman is not a good lo It wasn't my favorite, but I thought it was okay... ...but my friend's wife, who is bi and an LGBT advocate, pointed out how horrible it was in many way, and I see her problems. As laid out by one of her friends: SPOILERS "The blue alien Grayson cheated on Mercer with in episode 1 returns with Rob Lowe playing him now. It is revealed that he gives off pheromones that cause people to “fall in love” and have sex.
The logic behind this is horrible. If they touch him, they become attracted to him. But if he touches someone else and they then touch another person, those two somehow fall in love without including the alien. It makes no damn sense.
Rather than get righteously indignant and use this crappy plot device to discuss consent, they use the pheromones to “solve” their B plot by forcing two warring enemies to “fall in love” with each other — even though it is explained that the feelings of love only last hours.
They also reveal that Grayson may have had her affair due to these same pheromones. Rather than apologizing for acting like a child and divorcing Grayson without ever discussing what happened, Mercer ignores the fact that his ex-wife was basically raped.
We are left understanding that for the rest of the show Mercer will petulantly continue the whole “will they or won’t they” charade, while Grayson waits for the man-boy captain to come around.
The offending Alien leaves at the end without any consequences." They even tried to handwave it away by having Lowe say that the feelings his pheromones cause are "real" even if they're "chemically induced," which, uh...what? And to reiterate, essentially weaponizing this pheromones to get the aliens to behave is some Romulan/Ferengi-level shit. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Nov 17, 2017 14:28:56 GMT -5
My least favorite thing about the show is how pop culture apparently stopped in the mid-2000s. Like, literally, not even 2017 but a decade ago. I think the Jersey Shore is the most recent reference they've come up with. |
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