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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jan 23, 2018 11:21:21 GMT -5
Well, the Oscar nominations came out today and they managed to nominate a woman (Gerwig) and a black man ( for directing so probably just stop bugging them about it already. They've totally fixed Hollywood. Anyway, The Shape of Water seems to be the big nom getter (although somehow no Makeup nomination despite a practical fishman costume). I haven't seen it yet, so I can't say if it's deserved. For the Best Picture picks I've only seen Dunkirk and Get Out. Both of which I really liked, but can't imagine either winning. I feel like the front runners seem to be Three Billboards or The Post (a movie that seems super middle of the road and prestige-y and I have no interest in seeing). Maybe Call Me by Your Name will pull a Moonlight. I'm excited to see The Big Sick nominated for Original Screenplay because it was a charming movie and I'm rooting for Emily V. Gordon & Kumail Nanjiani. I used to listen to their old podcast, I feel personally invested in their success. Kind of bummed that Logan only got adapted screenplay. That movie was really great and I thought Jackman did a really good job. Stewart too. It was a long shot though. Here are the best picture nominees: Call Me by Your Name Darkest Hour Dunkirk Get Out Lady Bird Phantom Thread The Post The Shape of Water Three Billboards outside Ebbing, Missouri |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jan 23, 2018 11:41:52 GMT -5
Dammit. I added a colon to the thread title because I was going to add a clever subtitle but then forgot. So, imagine that I wrote a clever subtitle that made you chuckle and also think about racism or sexism in Hollywood or something.
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Post by Pastafarian on Jan 23, 2018 12:37:52 GMT -5
Couple of records broken this time around. Peel becomes the first African American to be nominated for directing, producing, and writing in the same year. Streep beat her own record (because of course). Washington broke his record as the most-nominated African-American actor. Plummer is now the oldest best supporting actor nom in history (Thanks Kevin Spacey!) Rachel Morrison is the first woman in Academy Award history to be nominated for Best Cinematography. Chalamet is the third-youngest Best Actor nominee ever.
Glad to see Gerwig and Peele getting more love than they got at the GGs.
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Post by MarkInTexas on Jan 23, 2018 13:59:43 GMT -5
My thoughts, as I posted on Facebook this morning.
The Shape of Water got a whopping 13 nominations, far and away the most. It got nominations for Picture, Director, Screenplay, 3 acting nominations, and 7 technical nominations. Dunkirk was a distant second with 8 nominations. All these nominations does not necessarily mean that Shape of Water is the front-runner, though. It has a good chance, but in recent years, the film that sweeps up a bunch of technical awards has been losing the top prize to a smaller film. Moonlight over La La Land. Spotlight over The Revenant and Mad Max: Fury Road. 12 Years a Slave over Gravity.
The only film that’s a bit of a surprise on the Best Picture list is Phantom Thread, which got a surprising 6 nominations, including Picture and Director. Many people thought that outside of Daniel Day-Lewis, it wouldn’t be up for much.
Denzel Washington is the surprise nominee for Best Actor for his critical and commercial flop Roman J. Israel, Esq. He gets in over Tom Hanks and James Franco, whose lack of a nomination probably means the powers that be at the Academy are breathing a sigh of relief.
Christopher Plummer was nominated for his last-second replacement performance in All the Money in the World, which may mark the shortest amount of time between delivering an Oscar-nominated performance and getting nominated for said performance. Meanwhile, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri got two supporting actors in with Woody Harrelson and Sam Rockwell, leaving Call Me By Your Name’s Armie Hammer and Michael Stuhlbarg out in the cold.
Mary J. Blige got a Supporting Actress nomination for Mudbound, marking a breakthrough for Netflix, as the film got three other nominations. Still, given the acclaim that the film got last year at Sundance, one has to wonder if it would have done even better had Netflix given the film a traditioanl theaterical release.
Christopher Nolan finally got a Directing nomination this year for Dunkirk. Surprisingly not getting a nomination is Martin McDonagh, of Three Billboards. That film isn’t out of the Best Picture race completely, but its now more of an uphill fight than before.
The Boss Baby got nominated for Animated Feature. I’ll let that sink in for a bit.
Despite being a huge viral hit last summer, In a Heartbeat was not nominated for Animated Short.
Logan became the first comic book movie nominated for a screenplay Oscar*. Get Out was nominated for four major Oscars, despite being a horror movie that opened last February.
Only three of 2017 10 highest grossing films received any nominations. Sorry, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man: Homecoming, It, Jumanji: Welcome to the Jungle, Thor: Ragnarok, Despicable Me 3, and Justice League. All the nominations that Star Wars: The Last Jedi, Beauty and the Beast, and Guardians of the Galaxy, Vol. 2 got were in technical categories.
The highest grossing major nominee is Logan, at #11 on the chart. The highest grossing Best Picture nominee is Dunkirk, at #14.
Early Predictions:
Picture: Lady Bird
Director: Guillermo del Toro, The Shape of Water
Actor: Gary Oldman, Darkest Hour
Actress: Saoirse Ronan, Lady Bird
Supporting Actor: Sam Rockwell, Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri
Supporting Actress: Allison Janey, I, Tonya.
*(as someone has since pointed out, American Splendor, Ghost World, and A History of Violence were all based on comic books/graphic novels and all got Screenplay nominations. Logan is the first nominated screenplay adapted from a superhero comic book, though)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 21:06:22 GMT -5
Big Sick not nominated for best picture? Well this is pointless.
I get why Logan Lucky, Baby Driver, and Jim and Andy would never sniff the bigger oscars. But I thought Big Sick had a chance. Get Out is my backup, but idk, how can a horror movie beat WW2(Dunkirk), a Biopic(Darkest Hour), White people being sad (Phantom Thread, Lady Bird, Call me By Your Name), the important issues(3 Billboards, The Post), or fish sex(Shape of Water.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 22:51:26 GMT -5
Same as every year: some pleasant surprises, some dumbass decisions, some middle-of-the-road stuff. The Academy bit the bait hard on Darkest Hour. I was expecting Best Actor but not Best Picture, ugh.
I didn't expect Good Time to do as badly as it did re:nominations. Robert Pattinson should have had Denzel Washington's slot and "The Pure and the Damned" needed a Best Song nomination over the overwrought poppy gooeyness of that one The Greatest Showman song.
Just when the Animated Feature category was improving (see the last two years, give or take a Your Name), it gets hit with a rule change that takes focus away from animation professionals so any old Joe in the Academy can vote. So that means more people voting for Disney/Dreamworks films and/or that movie their kids like. Even if stuff like Coco, Loving Vincent or The Breadwinner gets nominated, it's gonna feel less worthy when you toss stuff like The Boss Baby and Ferdinand into the pile. In This Corner of the World came out in theaters this year, guys. Expecting an Illumination movie to get nominated (...again) in the future.
Pleasantly surprised at Logan's screenplay nod and Daniel Kaluuya's Best Actor nomination. Need to see Phantom Thread/Lady Bird/The Florida Project/2049/Call Me By Your Name.
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Post by MarkInTexas on Jan 24, 2018 11:08:02 GMT -5
Just when the Animated Feature category was improving (see the last two years, give or take a Your Name), it gets hit with a rule change that takes focus away from animation professionals so any old Joe in the Academy can vote. So that means more people voting for Disney/Dreamworks films and/or that movie their kids like. Even if stuff like Coco, Loving Vincent or The Breadwinner gets nominated, it's gonna feel less worthy when you toss stuff like The Boss Baby and Ferdinand into the pile. In This Corner of the World came out in theaters this year, guys. Expecting an Illumination movie to get nominated (...again) in the future. The ratio most years seems to be 3 mainstream titles and 2 art-house titles. Yeah, Boss Baby getting nominated is weird, but even without the rule change, it had a pretty good chance at getting nominated. Frankly, I'm surprised it got nominated instead of Lego Batman, which is a far better film, but apparently the animation branch has a grudge against Lego. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 11:23:13 GMT -5
Just when the Animated Feature category was improving (see the last two years, give or take a Your Name), it gets hit with a rule change that takes focus away from animation professionals so any old Joe in the Academy can vote. So that means more people voting for Disney/Dreamworks films and/or that movie their kids like. Even if stuff like Coco, Loving Vincent or The Breadwinner gets nominated, it's gonna feel less worthy when you toss stuff like The Boss Baby and Ferdinand into the pile. In This Corner of the World came out in theaters this year, guys. Expecting an Illumination movie to get nominated (...again) in the future. The ratio most years seems to be 3 mainstream titles and 2 art-house titles. Yeah, Boss Baby getting nominated is weird, but even without the rule change, it had a pretty good chance at getting nominated. Frankly, I'm surprised it got nominated instead of Lego Batman, which is a far better film, but apparently the animation branch has a grudge against Lego. I read a theory online that animation professionals might have been ticked off at how the first Lego Movie signaled the possibility of stop motion becoming obsolete due to CGI being able to replicate the same movements. |
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Post by Kangaroosevelt-Ecks on Jan 24, 2018 13:31:41 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Nolan geek but I am kind of surprised that this is his first Best Directing nom.
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Post by Pastafarian on Jan 24, 2018 14:18:14 GMT -5
Big Sick not nominated for best picture? Well this is pointless. I get why Logan Lucky, Baby Driver, and Jim and Andy would never sniff the bigger oscars. But I thought Big Sick had a chance. Get Out is my backup, but idk, how can a horror movie beat WW2(Dunkirk), a Biopic(Darkest Hour), White people being sad (Phantom Thread, Lady Bird, Call me By Your Name), the important issues(3 Billboards, The Post), or fish sex(Shape of Water. Frankly, if we get yet another fish/human sex best picture winner I'm going to give up on Hollywood for good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2018 14:52:13 GMT -5
I'm not a huge Nolan geek but I am kind of surprised that this is his first Best Directing nom. Ehhhh, Inception is the only movie I could see where he had a shot at a nom. He was coming off the batman trilogy when his name had the most recognition, had a big name as the lead, and critics and audiences went gaga over it, and it was great visually and also was nominated for best picture. Interstellar had problems, Dark Knight Rises was outright bad, Prestige was overlooked, Dark Knight was right on the cusp of the superhero boom and was the film that made people take them seriously, but still had enough of a stigma to keep people from nominating him, Batman Begins was before all of that, Insomina wasn't that well received, Memento was where his name was put on the map, but back then films still had to have a bit more name recognition to really get looked at seriously. |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jan 24, 2018 16:00:03 GMT -5
Big Sick not nominated for best picture? Well this is pointless. I get why Logan Lucky, Baby Driver, and Jim and Andy would never sniff the bigger oscars. But I thought Big Sick had a chance. Get Out is my backup, but idk, how can a horror movie beat WW2(Dunkirk), a Biopic(Darkest Hour), White people being sad (Phantom Thread, Lady Bird, Call me By Your Name), the important issues(3 Billboards, The Post), or fish sex(Shape of Water. Frankly, if we get yet another fish/human sex best picture winner I'm going to give up on Hollywood for good. Oh. *Quietly puts away spec script for gritty Incredible Mister Limpet reboot.* |
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Post by Pastafarian on Jan 24, 2018 16:28:01 GMT -5
Frankly, if we get yet another fish/human sex best picture winner I'm going to give up on Hollywood for good. Oh. *Quietly puts away spec script for gritty Incredible Mister Limpet reboot.* I didn't say anything about not wanting one to win an Emmy or Golden Globe. |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jan 24, 2018 16:40:05 GMT -5
Oh. *Quietly puts away spec script for gritty Incredible Mister Limpet reboot.* I didn't say anything about not wanting one to win an Emmy or Golden Globe. *Edits script into 2-hour pilot, adds "topless" after every stage direction mentioning the hero's love interest, and submits to HBO as a replacement for Game of Thrones* |
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Post by Sanziana on Jan 26, 2018 7:10:37 GMT -5
Big Sick not nominated for best picture? Well this is pointless. I get why Logan Lucky, Baby Driver, and Jim and Andy would never sniff the bigger oscars. But I thought Big Sick had a chance. Get Out is my backup, but idk, how can a horror movie beat WW2(Dunkirk), a Biopic(Darkest Hour), White people being sad (Phantom Thread, Lady Bird, Call me By Your Name), the important issues(3 Billboards, The Post), or fish sex(Shape of Water. Frankly, if we get yet another fish/human sex best picture winner I'm going to give up on Hollywood for good. I'm blanking here, which is the other fish sex Oscar winner? Or is it a joke and it went completely over my head? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 7:20:33 GMT -5
Frankly, if we get yet another fish/human sex best picture winner I'm going to give up on Hollywood for good. I'm blanking here, which is the other fish sex Oscar winner? Or is it a joke and it went completely over my head? It was a joke. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jan 26, 2018 7:27:23 GMT -5
I'm blanking here, which is the other fish sex Oscar winner? Or is it a joke and it went completely over my head? It was a joke. Look, I like my fish sex movies, what can I say. I was curious. |
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Post by pairesta on Jan 26, 2018 11:31:02 GMT -5
I'm operating on the conspiracy theory that Denzel's out of nowhere nomination is a hasty, last-minute replacement for Frankco's.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 12:19:24 GMT -5
I'm operating on the conspiracy theory that Denzel's out of nowhere nomination is a hasty, last-minute replacement for Fran kco's. I'm jus' sayin', Pattinson doesn't have any accusations against him. knockonwood |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Jan 26, 2018 13:03:15 GMT -5
I'm operating on the conspiracy theory that Denzel's out of nowhere nomination is a hasty, last-minute replacement for Fran kco's. I'm jus' sayin', Pattinson doesn't have any accusations against him. knockonwood Yeah, but Pattinson played a sparkly vampire in movies for girls, so... |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jan 29, 2018 11:58:05 GMT -5
Pattinson should have been a shoe-in for best supporting actor in Last City of Z, right? Also something for adapted screenplay and cinematography…along with Wind River feels like the most underappreciated movie of the year, though with Z I can see why it would not quite appeal to the Academy or most cinephiles. Still, Pattinson disappeared in that role.
I’d be surprised if Franco were ever in serious contention—I enjoyed The Disaster Artist, certainly, but it does strike me as very much a movie for (and to some extent by) people who were in their teens and twenties when The Room started to become a widely-known meme. Roman J. Israel actually seems to me like “classic” Oscar bait, à la Incredibly Loud & Unbearably Close—critically unloved, not seen by many people, but with good actors who are due and some kind of vague, often too-late topicality that appeals to the Academy but no one else.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Feb 27, 2018 19:50:58 GMT -5
538 quantifies what I’d suspected: this last Oscar-defined movie year was, indeed, the year of Stuhlbarg. |
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Post by MarkInTexas on Mar 2, 2018 11:58:58 GMT -5
I'm more astonished by the fact that this is Streep's first Actress nomination for a Best Picture nominee since 1985.
What's even more amazing is that this is only her second film since Out of Africa that has been a Picture nominee. The only other one was 2002's The Hours, which Streep was widly expected to be nominated for, but was left out in favor of Diane Lane for the potboiler Unfaithful and Salma Hayek for her passion project Frida. She did score a Supporting Actress nomination that year for Adaptation, which was not a Best Picture nominee (though it really should have been--it's a much better movie than the turgid The Hours. They also managed to leave Far From Heaven and The Quiet American off the Best Picture list that year. But I digress). Obviously, no one expected Mamma Mia or Death Becomes Her to be Oscar material. But it's surprising how much of the Oscar-bait movies she did do after Out of Africa came up short in the Best Picture race--even if she did get nominated. It should also be mentioned that quite a few of those Oscar bait movies are pretty lousy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2018 16:13:55 GMT -5
I'm more astonished by the fact that this is Streep's first Actress nomination for a Best Picture nominee since 1985. What's even more amazing is that this is only her second film since Out of Africa that has been a Picture nominee. The only other one was 2002's The Hours, which Streep was widly expected to be nominated for, but was left out in favor of Diane Lane for the potboiler Unfaithful and Salma Hayek for her passion project Frida. She did score a Supporting Actress nomination that year for Adaptation, which was not a Best Picture nominee (though it really should have been--it's a much better movie than the turgid The Hours. They also managed to leave Far From Heaven and The Quiet American off the Best Picture list that year. But I digress). Obviously, no one expected Mamma Mia or Death Becomes Her to be Oscar material. But it's surprising how much of the Oscar-bait movies she did do after Out of Africa came up short in the Best Picture race--even if she did get nominated. It should also be mentioned that quite a few of those Oscar bait movies are pretty lousy. For reference, here's all of Meryl's nominations:  |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Mar 2, 2018 20:55:29 GMT -5
We doing our What-Will-Win ballots?
Best Picture - The Shape of Water
Wonderful, vaguely political, elevates what's otherwise a genre picture, and thematically safe for the Academy.
Best Director - Guillermo Del Toro
Nolan could upset, since both he and Del Toro are Due, but given that Shape is such a singular vision, they're gonna stick with Del Toro
Best Actor - Gary Oldman
Another case of an actor being Due. To that, the Academy's largest voting contingent is the actor's branch, a branch which very often votes based on what's the Most. What's the Most directed, what's the performance with the Most acting, etc. Oldman did the most. Chalamet and Day-Lewis are arguably superior, but their performances are more restrained and focused. Oldman Acts.
Best Actress - Frances McDormand
Same thing as Best Actor, just swap genders. Possible Hawkins upset, but it all depends on how big the backlash to Three Billboards is.
Best Sp. Actor - Sam Rockwell
Dafoe could upset if the Billboards backlash is strong, but Rockwell satisfies both Due and Most.
Best Sp. Actress - Alison Janney
Metcalf has my undying love, but Everybody Loves Janney, and we've got another Most performance.
Best Original Screenplay - Jordan Peele, Get Out
Get Out's gotta get something. It'll be this.
Best Adapted Screenplay - James Ivory, Call Me By Your Name
Terrible lineup this year. Call Me By Your Name is the only non-comic book screenplay that reads most like a movie.
Best Cinematography - Blade Runner 2049
Deakins is Due.
Best Editing - Dunkirk
Dunkirk's technical bona fides are strong, and kills most categories in terms of doing the Most.
Best Sound Editing - Dunkirk
Best Sound Mixing - Dunkirk
Best Costume Design - Phantom Thread
C'mon.
Best Makeup & Hairstyling - Darkest Hour
The prosthetics that do most of Oldman's acting for him. All the other noms are simply for being "pretty".
Best Production Design - The Shape of Water
Del Toro's baby, again.
Best VFX - War for the Planet of the Apes
People like 'dem monkeys, man.
Best Original Score - The Shape of Water
Zimmer's been Due for a while, but Dunkirk's score is too nontraditional. Desplat's gonna take it away.
Best Original Song - "Remember Me" from Coco
Most hummable. Audience will pick hummable first, socially relevant second.
Best Foreign Language Film - A Fantastic Woman
Topical and popular.
Best Animated Picture - Coco
Unless there's surprise Pixar fatigue.
Best Documentary Feature - Faces, Places
One of the overarching narratives this year will be the selection of films that send a political message disguised through other means. Faces, Places fits that mold of being about acceptance and learning about people without transparently being about immigration and political strife and turmoil.
Best Live Action Short - DeKalb Elementary
You can be a bit more political with shorts because the majority of the public don't know or care about these films.
Best Animated Short - Dear Basketball
People still like Kobe for some reason.
Best Documentary Short - Heroin(e)
Again, more transparently political.
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Post by ganews on Mar 4, 2018 17:20:57 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 4, 2018 18:01:26 GMT -5
I actually got almost all the way to the end! This one isn't nearly as awful as some of the ones I've read in previous years. I often recommend these to anyone who doesn't understand how awful things can end up winning at the Oscars. This one is still bad, jut not as bad as others I've seen. She gives herself away right at the beginning as not even understanding how Oscar Best Picture balloting works. Best Picture uses Preferential Voting. So saying you won't place the film you think is best at #1 because you don't think it will win literally defeats the entire point of the voting process. (Edit: Let this be a lesson to those of you who think Preferential Ballot is the answer in political voting.) She doesn't understand the point of Get Out. Which is strange since she also says it's like a horror version of Guess Who's Coming to Dinner. But then calls it a B-movie. Because it's a horror movie. Sigh. She's also good for a reminder that some people genuinely don't like films in which they don't consider any of the characters to be "likeable". If you all stopped there, I'll report some other.... interesting things she says Best Actor - She won't vote for a nominee who gave a great performance because she didn't like the film. And she won't vote for another nominee who gave a great performance because she didn't like his character. Best Actress - She's sick of Meryl Streep Supporting Actress - She wishes Mary J Blige had more to do (Girl, I'm with you, there.) Adapted Screenplay - Logan is bad because it isn't fun. Original Screenplay - She's deciding her vote based on what writers say at Talkback events. Animated feature - She thinks The Breadwinner is really interesting, and she gives no reason for not voting for it. She won't vote for Coco because she saw it with kids and it scared kids. Costume Design - Want to know why contemporary films can never win here? Look no further than this comment: "I thought the costumes were fine, but nothing that couldn’t have been bought in a store, so to speak, which was correct for the movie." So she eliminated it from contention. Sound Editing/Sound Mixing - She doesn't understand the difference, so she doesn't vote. I just want to point out that *I* understand the difference, and I don't work in Hollywood. The voters don't understand these categories, which is why often Oscar frontrunners for Best Picture win here, even if there are films nominated which had much better sound editing or mixing. Understanding this is how I won my only major Oscar Pool victory against hard-core Oscars watchers in 2009. This would be for 2008 films. I scored one more category win than anyone else because I picked "Slumdog Millionaire" to beat "WALL-E" and "The Dark Knight" in Sound Mixing. I stopped reading at the Short categories because it was there that the voter's racism got to be too much for me to ignore. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 4, 2018 18:52:03 GMT -5
Sound Editing/Sound Mixing - She doesn't understand the difference, so she doesn't vote. I just want to point out that *I* understand the difference, and I don't work in Hollywood. The voters don't understand these categories, which is why often Oscar frontrunners for Best Picture win here, even if there are films nominated which had much better sound editing or mixing. Understanding this is how I won my only major Oscar Pool victory against hard-core Oscars watchers in 2009. This would be for 2008 films. I scored one more category win than anyone else because I picked "Slumdog Millionaire" to beat "WALL-E" and "The Dark Knight" in Sound Mixing. What is the difference between sound editing and mixing? |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 4, 2018 18:52:27 GMT -5
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 4, 2018 18:55:13 GMT -5
I'm more astonished by the fact that this is Streep's first Actress nomination for a Best Picture nominee since 1985. What's even more amazing is that this is only her second film since Out of Africa that has been a Picture nominee. The only other one was 2002's The Hours, which Streep was widly expected to be nominated for, but was left out in favor of Diane Lane for the potboiler Unfaithful and Salma Hayek for her passion project Frida. She did score a Supporting Actress nomination that year for Adaptation, which was not a Best Picture nominee (though it really should have been--it's a much better movie than the turgid The Hours. They also managed to leave Far From Heaven and The Quiet American off the Best Picture list that year. But I digress). Obviously, no one expected Mamma Mia or Death Becomes Her to be Oscar material. But it's surprising how much of the Oscar-bait movies she did do after Out of Africa came up short in the Best Picture race--even if she did get nominated. It should also be mentioned that quite a few of those Oscar bait movies are pretty lousy. For reference, here's all of Meryl's nominations: I didn't even know that half of those movies existed, and have seen none of them. I've seen A Series of Unfortunate Events though, and she was good in that; why didn't she get a nomination for it? |
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