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Post by The Spice Weasel on Apr 18, 2018 12:14:10 GMT -5
Guesses as to what line follows "There's a lesson to be learned here."
"Never ask the odds."
"No substitute for a good blaster."
"Don't stick your neck out."
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 14, 2018 11:04:34 GMT -5
I saw this in the comments under the AVC's post about Harrison surprising Alden at a tv interview, and honestly I just don't get it.
Ehrenreich's one major role so far, in Hail Caesar, was great, and very charismatic. His press interviews are fine. If there are stories out there about him being a "dickwad" that are more than just blind items on third-rate fansites I haven't seen them. I feel like the Star Wars fanbase has gaslighted itself into thinking he's terrible out of pure bitterness at having someone "spoil their childhoods" by playing a young Han, and I don't know if it's funny or sad.
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Post by MarkInTexas on May 14, 2018 11:48:12 GMT -5
I wonder if people are confusing him with Ansel Elgort (who does have a reputation as an unlikable dickwad), since they both have the same initials and unusual first and last names, and both are youngish, attractive white guys.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on May 14, 2018 16:42:36 GMT -5
I saw this in the comments under the AVC's post about Harrison surprising Alden at a tv interview, and honestly I just don't get it. Ehrenreich's one major role so far, in Hail Caesar, was great, and very charismatic. His press interviews are fine. If there are stories out there about him being a "dickwad" that are more than just blind items on third-rate fansites I haven't seen them. I feel like the Star Wars fanbase has gaslighted itself into thinking he's terrible out of pure bitterness at having someone "spoil their childhoods" by playing a young Han, and I don't know if it's funny or sad. Hail Caesar is a not so great movie made up of a lot of great parts. Ehrenreich was easily one of my favorite things about that movie if not my favorite. I don't get the angst either.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 14, 2018 16:44:21 GMT -5
Hail Caesar is a not so great movie made up of a lot of great parts. Ehrenreich was easily one of my favorite things about that movie if not my favorite. I don't get the angst either. Like, was there someone else that The Star Wars Fan Community wanted to play young Han that they're angry it wasn't?
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Post by The Spice Weasel on May 14, 2018 16:48:16 GMT -5
Hail Caesar is a not so great movie made up of a lot of great parts. Ehrenreich was easily one of my favorite things about that movie if not my favorite. I don't get the angst either. Like, was there someone else that The Star Wars Fan Community wanted to play young Han that they're angry it wasn't? Right? I remember being excited about the a announcement. Made sense to me. He has charming cowboy/gunslinger down. Turn down the goofy twang, turn up the sarcastic bravado.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on May 14, 2018 18:34:03 GMT -5
Hail Caesar is a not so great movie made up of a lot of great parts. Ehrenreich was easily one of my favorite things about that movie if not my favorite. I don't get the angst either. Like, was there someone else that The Star Wars Fan Community wanted to play young Han that they're angry it wasn't? Apparently... yes! A guy named Anthony Ingruber who played a young version of Harrison Ford's character in The Age of Adeline!
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Post by Nudeviking on May 14, 2018 19:18:57 GMT -5
I saw this in the comments under the AVC's post about Harrison surprising Alden at a tv interview, and honestly I just don't get it. Ehrenreich's one major role so far, in Hail Caesar, was great, and very charismatic. His press interviews are fine. If there are stories out there about him being a "dickwad" that are more than just blind items on third-rate fansites I haven't seen them. I feel like the Star Wars fanbase has gaslighted itself into thinking he's terrible out of pure bitterness at having someone "spoil their childhoods" by playing a young Han, and I don't know if it's funny or sad. Didn't (Star Wars Christmas Special/Those Made For TV Ewok Movies/That Ewoks Cartoon/The Prequels/Other) already "spoil their childhoods?" You'd figure that by this point the original fans of Star Wars that were left would be made of sterner stuff.
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Post by Powerthirteen on May 14, 2018 20:42:01 GMT -5
I saw this in the comments under the AVC's post about Harrison surprising Alden at a tv interview, and honestly I just don't get it. Ehrenreich's one major role so far, in Hail Caesar, was great, and very charismatic. His press interviews are fine. If there are stories out there about him being a "dickwad" that are more than just blind items on third-rate fansites I haven't seen them. I feel like the Star Wars fanbase has gaslighted itself into thinking he's terrible out of pure bitterness at having someone "spoil their childhoods" by playing a young Han, and I don't know if it's funny or sad. Didn't (Star Wars Christmas Special/Those Made For TV Ewok Movies/That Ewoks Cartoon/The Prequels/Other) already "spoil their childhoods?" You'd figure that by this point the original fans of Star Wars that were left would be made of sterner stuff. As I understand it, in order to properly dismiss The Last Jedi all TRUE Star Wars fans have decided to retroactively rehabilitate the prequels.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 14, 2018 21:01:58 GMT -5
Didn't (Star Wars Christmas Special/Those Made For TV Ewok Movies/That Ewoks Cartoon/The Prequels/Other) already "spoil their childhoods?" You'd figure that by this point the original fans of Star Wars that were left would be made of sterner stuff. As I understand it, in order to properly dismiss The Last Jedi all TRUE Star Wars fans have decided to retroactively rehabilitate the prequels. Damn I guess I'm no longer a true Star Wars fan. This is a sad day indeed for me.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on May 15, 2018 7:48:21 GMT -5
It's all been downhill since Empire Strikes Back, folks.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 22, 2018 19:57:07 GMT -5
You'd figure that by this point the original fans of Star Wars that were left would be made of sterner stuff. I HA!
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 13:06:54 GMT -5
My actual opinion of this trailer, as someone who likes Star Wars and has enjoyed the past three movies, is that it looks really bland.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 10:53:42 GMT -5
Just read the plot synopsis and that ending.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on May 25, 2018 22:18:46 GMT -5
We saw it tonight, and as a casual fan married to a hardcore Star Wars geek, I thought it was entertaining. Nothing deep or essential, but fun. Ties in to the “main” Star Wars timeline pretty well. Glover is great. Ehrenreich is fine. Woody Harrelson was nicely cast.
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Post by Prole Hole on May 26, 2018 3:13:32 GMT -5
It was... fine I guess? It's an incredibly unremarkable film - by no means the worst Star Wars film, but almost certainly the least essential. There's no grand tragedy a la Rogue One, nor any attempts at reinvention or subversion a la The Last Jedi. It just putters about (for slightly too long, it needs to lose about fifteen minutes) then goes away again. Alden Ehrenreich is perfectly watchable but never for a moment feels like he's actually Han Solo - not that he's not like Ford, he just never really seems to be playing that character, just some generic space guy that he's decent at portraying. Donald Glover is fine, though honestly not much more - he feels closer to Lando for sure, but Glover is just obviously a better actor. Emilia Clarke is, as she is in everything, bland in the extreme but never terrible. For the rest *shrugs*. Chewie's expanded role is welcome, the plot makes comparatively littles sense and Darth Maul's inclusion is pointless fanwank that amounts to nothing
I suppose the dice on a chain (is that what they are? I think of them as being the Millennium Falcon's fuzzy dice) is... nice to have?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 26, 2018 9:43:52 GMT -5
Saw it last night (at the drive in which seems like an almost ideal setting). It’s about what people always expected the Story movies to be, fine little things. All the handwringing over the leads was, of course, overblown.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 27, 2018 14:32:46 GMT -5
I think I'd agree with most here that it was fine. Not terrible, not great, very inessential. Definitely the worst of the Disney era, though still much better than at least the first two PT films, and probably RotS. It definitely had a hunt of TPM's "You can skip this and not miss anything important" to it.
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Post by Invisible Goat on May 27, 2018 15:10:54 GMT -5
I liked it and as someone completely unfamiliar with anything not alluded to in the films thought it was a pretty appropriate and fitting backstory for the iconic character we know from there. Thought Ehrenreich was actually pretty great, not exactly a great impression of Ford but a fine performance in his own right, whereas I was expecting Glover to steal the movie and he felt more like just a (very good) BDW impression. Some weird tonal stuff though - even though he was a 4-armed cartoon I thought Favreau's character's death was pretty graphic for ostensibly a kids' movie, and then 2 minutes later Thandie Newton fucking suicide bombs. And then the droid's death is also pretty dark and they also implied that Lando and her fucked? I think?
Did not care for the Darth Maul thing at all, but I saw it with a huge fucking nerd who was very excited to explain to me at length about how he survived and is actually a deep character now or whatever. And I was disappointed at Qi'ra's final turn because I thought they had good chemistry and was rooting for them but obviously I guess that couldn't be allowed to continue.
Biggest eyeroll was the "Explanation" of how he was named Han Solo. That didn't need to be explained, come on.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on May 27, 2018 16:43:09 GMT -5
I liked it and as someone completely unfamiliar with anything not alluded to in the films thought it was a pretty appropriate and fitting backstory for the iconic character we know from there. Thought Ehrenreich was actually pretty great, not exactly a great impression of Ford but a fine performance in his own right, whereas I was expecting Glover to steal the movie and he felt more like just a (very good) BDW impression. Some weird tonal stuff though - even though he was a 4-armed cartoon I thought Favreau's character's death was pretty graphic for ostensibly a kids' movie, and then 2 minutes later Thandie Newton fucking suicide bombs. And then the droid's death is also pretty dark and they also implied that Lando and her fucked? I think?
Did not care for the Darth Maul thing at all, but I saw it with a huge fucking nerd who was very excited to explain to me at length about how he survived and is actually a deep character now or whatever. And I was disappointed at Qi'ra's final turn because I thought they had good chemistry and was rooting for them but obviously I guess that couldn't be allowed to continue.
Biggest eyeroll was the "Explanation" of how he was named Han Solo. That didn't need to be explained, come on.
The funny thing is, did anyone think that Ewan McGregor was doing a great Alec Guinness impersonation? But he’s like the one guy who got a pass for the prequels.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 28, 2018 0:06:35 GMT -5
Yeah, I didn’t hate it. It was adequate. I was surprised to find that Emilia Clarke has learned a couple more facial expressions, & yeah, the last thing name was cutesy bullshit.
”the 10 minutes that included the kessel run were good because there wasn't any need to pay attention to the poor acting and political injections from kathleen kennedy.” I don’t...I have no idea what the fuck that is supposed to mean. What Political interjections? Is there a Kathleen Kennedy MRA hategroup?
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 28, 2018 5:49:59 GMT -5
Is there a Kathleen Kennedy MRA hategroup? Almost certainly.
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Post by liebkartoffel on May 28, 2018 19:40:48 GMT -5
Man, I post on the Last Movie Watched Thread only to come here and discover that I was (inadvertently, I swear) paraphrasing what everyone's been saying over here. Yeah, it was fine. It was cringily fan service-y in many spots, it was surprisingly poignant in others, but mostly it was just a straightforward popcorn flick. I'm curious to know why the box office is missing the mark so much, as Solo seems genetically engineered to provide Star Wars fans with precisely what they want. Maybe Star Wars fatigue? Maybe residual backlash over TLJ? Maybe people are just that upset to see someone else as Han Solo?
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 19:56:40 GMT -5
Man, I post on the Last Movie Watched Thread only to come here and discover that I was (inadvertently, I swear) paraphrasing what everyone's been saying over here. Yeah, it was fine. It was cringily fan service-y in many spots, it was surprisingly poignant in others, but mostly it was just a straightforward popcorn flick. I'm curious to know why the box office is missing the mark so much, as Solo seems genetically engineered to provide Star Wars fans with precisely what they want. Maybe Star Wars fatigue? Maybe residual backlash over TLJ? Maybe people are just that upset to see someone else as Han Solo? Easily Star Wars fatigue. The main story has been finished since 1983, the prequels were supposed to be icing on the cake, but most people don't like them so now the sequels are that icing. While a whole EU was created between Jedi and Force Awakens. The hardcore fans already got what they wanted. To be honest, there probably isn't that much to the star wars universe to keep mainstream fans returning for annual releases. Especially because the Star Wars universe never really seems to expand in the movies. Whereas with the MCU where new characters and whole new stories can be told, the Star Wars movies keep treading on characters we already know or plots that are very connected with what already happened. The worst part, instead of tempering expectations, Disney let the success of Force Awakens convince them into spending 250 to 300(just for budget, not including marketing) mil on this film. If anything, I just hope the disappointment that will be Solo at the box office finally gets Disney to go with a different strategy concerning the movies. Star Wars is not the MCU.
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Post by ComradePig on May 28, 2018 21:05:46 GMT -5
I enjoyed this pretty alright as an action romp even if it was extremely inessential all the way down. It shares many of the usual problems that these big franchise spin-offs do, namely the related tendencies of excessively explaining mundane aspects of iconic character's backstories that don't really need filling in and likewise attempting to tie every event that occurs into the grander narrative of the franchise, but it didn't do either nearly as much as I'd feared when I heard it was being made and the core character arcs and main heist plot line function well enough independently of the fan service aspects.
Namely though, it just felt more coherently constructed than Rogue One which jumped around all over the place in a rather unsatisfying way, whereas the middle section of this movie in particular had a nice straightforward momentum and sense of adventure to it that kept me engaged. It definitely starts to sag a bit in the back end, one could definitely excise a lot of the proto-rebellion stuff to have focused just on Han/Beckett's story.
I do wonder if it was perhaps a mistake for the wider franchise strategy to kick off with two spin-offs (Rogue One and this) that are a bit on the grimmer side. There's some solid humor and traditionally adventure-y aspects in this one but it is a bit odd that even the Fun! Star Wars spinoff movie is still a bit of a downer at times, I guess it's a difficult tonal balance to strike with a franchise that has always played with grand tragedy, and as such is best not being just turned into Marvel in Space, but which at its core is also a whizz-bang heroic space opera. Though I did kind of love the brief sojourn into the muddy world imperial military service near the start of this movie and would totally watch more of that so I guess I can't talk.
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Post by Nudeviking on May 28, 2018 21:09:10 GMT -5
Man, I post on the Last Movie Watched Thread only to come here and discover that I was (inadvertently, I swear) paraphrasing what everyone's been saying over here. Yeah, it was fine. It was cringily fan service-y in many spots, it was surprisingly poignant in others, but mostly it was just a straightforward popcorn flick. I'm curious to know why the box office is missing the mark so much, as Solo seems genetically engineered to provide Star Wars fans with precisely what they want. Maybe Star Wars fatigue? Maybe residual backlash over TLJ? Maybe people are just that upset to see someone else as Han Solo? Easily Star Wars fatigue. The main story has been finished since 1983, the prequels were supposed to be icing on the cake, but most people don't like them so now the sequels are that icing. While a whole EU was created between Jedi and Force Awakens. The hardcore fans already got what they wanted. To be honest, there probably isn't that much to the star wars universe to keep mainstream fans returning for annual releases. Especially because the Star Wars universe never really seems to expand in the movies. Whereas with the MCU where new characters and whole new stories can be told, the Star Wars movies keep treading on characters we already know or plots that are very connected with what already happened. The worst part, instead of tempering expectations, Disney let the success of Force Awakens convince them into spending 250 to 300(just for budget, not including marketing) mil on this film. If anything, I just hope the disappointment that will be Solo at the box office finally gets Disney to go with a different strategy concerning the movies. Star Wars is not the MCU. AS LONG AS THEY KEEP MAKING ACTION FIGURES I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO!
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Post by pairesta on May 29, 2018 7:22:00 GMT -5
Not much different to add to the consensus opinion here. I was hoping a little more: as I said a page or two back, I was kinda digging the deep geek, Han Solo Adventures vibe the ad campaign was throwing off, but other than a few predictable nods, it played it fairly safe.
It's too bad it's underperforming: other summers, it would have room for a healthy run. I'd say Disney shot itself in the foot by putting it square in between a major MCU movie and the Incredibles sequel, but whatever, it's all money for their pockets. I don't understand why they wanted to keep this in a summer release, especially after the drama behind the scenes. They could have just booted it to Christmas, where it doesn't seem like they have a tentpole release at this point.
If the movie craters even further, it'll be interesting to see how this impacts their plans for future Solo movies (I had thought this was going to be a one-off; didn't realize how clearly it's set up for a sequel) and the other spinoffs.
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Post by Prole Hole on May 29, 2018 7:33:28 GMT -5
Easily Star Wars fatigue. The main story has been finished since 1983, the prequels were supposed to be icing on the cake, but most people don't like them so now the sequels are that icing. While a whole EU was created between Jedi and Force Awakens. The hardcore fans already got what they wanted. To be honest, there probably isn't that much to the star wars universe to keep mainstream fans returning for annual releases. Especially because the Star Wars universe never really seems to expand in the movies. Whereas with the MCU where new characters and whole new stories can be told, the Star Wars movies keep treading on characters we already know or plots that are very connected with what already happened. The worst part, instead of tempering expectations, Disney let the success of Force Awakens convince them into spending 250 to 300(just for budget, not including marketing) mil on this film. If anything, I just hope the disappointment that will be Solo at the box office finally gets Disney to go with a different strategy concerning the movies. Star Wars is not the MCU. AS LONG AS THEY KEEP MAKING ACTION FIGURES I DON'T CARE WHAT THEY DO! I think you're safe. In response to @matt1 's comment about "the Star Wars universe never really seems to expand" this is actually what i loved about Rogue One. I thought there was a genuine expansion of the universe without pedantically piddling about trying to over-explain every detail of it. Storm planet with big Imperial base used for mining? Fantastic, that's all the information we need. Ditto Big Hard Drive Planet. It's where all the plans are kept, and you need special access to get to it. Fine, thanks, we don't need more than that! The characters are stand-alone and not linked in to the main narrative - something of a relief - and OK sure, the ending feeds in and if that's not your thing, well fine, but it's... five minutes of screen-time I guess? The rest is about as standalone as we're likely to get, and it felt (and feels to me) like a huge breath of fresh air. R1 made a case for its relevancy by telling a tragedy, which isn't a story mode that a Star Wars movie had properly operated in before (you could make a case for ESB, but not really), and for bothering to do interesting things with race and gender in the principal casting. Solo - and I want to be clear I thought it was OK - was just "Generic Space Movie: The Movie", which is fine, but hardly more.
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Post by nowimnothing on May 29, 2018 11:50:40 GMT -5
I liked it and as someone completely unfamiliar with anything not alluded to in the films thought it was a pretty appropriate and fitting backstory for the iconic character we know from there. Thought Ehrenreich was actually pretty great, not exactly a great impression of Ford but a fine performance in his own right, whereas I was expecting Glover to steal the movie and he felt more like just a (very good) BDW impression. Some weird tonal stuff though - even though he was a 4-armed cartoon I thought Favreau's character's death was pretty graphic for ostensibly a kids' movie, and then 2 minutes later Thandie Newton fucking suicide bombs. And then the droid's death is also pretty dark and they also implied that Lando and her fucked? I think?
Did not care for the Darth Maul thing at all, but I saw it with a huge fucking nerd who was very excited to explain to me at length about how he survived and is actually a deep character now or whatever. And I was disappointed at Qi'ra's final turn because I thought they had good chemistry and was rooting for them but obviously I guess that couldn't be allowed to continue.
Biggest eyeroll was the "Explanation" of how he was named Han Solo. That didn't need to be explained, come on.
The funny thing is, did anyone think that Ewan McGregor was doing a great Alec Guinness impersonation? But he’s like the one guy who got a pass for the prequels. I think it is a little different because of the larger age difference. There is only like 7 years real age between Ehrenreich and Ford in ANH. It looks like smarter people have deduced that the character ages are more like 12-13 years apart, but that is still quite a bit different than the 35 years that separated McGregor in TPM and Guinness in ANH. McGregor had a lot more leeway, but I also think he did adopt some mannerisms.
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Post by MarkInTexas on May 29, 2018 11:56:41 GMT -5
My thoughts are pretty similar to everyone else's thoughts. It was better than I feared it would be, but not something I"m chomping at the bit to see again. I have to admit, I spent the car ride home last night trying to figure out exactly where this fell in the timeline after Maul showed up, since I hadn't watched the animated series and assumed he was toast after Phantom Menace.
(as an aside, this is the second consecutive blockbuster featuring a character who survives being bisected at the waist. Now that's a fun trend!).
I'm beginning to realize that these side movies seem to be designed to answer questions about the "mistakes" from Episode IV. Rogue One answered "How come the Death Star was built with such a huge design flaw?" and this one answers "How come Han used a measurement of distance as a measurement of time?". Maybe the next one will answer "How come the Empire solders let the escape capsule go, knowing full well that there are sentient robots that won't show up on life scanners?" Or maybe "How did Darth Vader not notice that his stepbrother was raising a kid with his own original last name who would be his kid's exact age, and that an old guy with the last name Kenobi lived nearby?"
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