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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 14, 2018 1:05:55 GMT -5
So, I've been working my way through the various Stars Trek over the past two years or so, and I've finally gotten to Deep Space Nine. And, inspired by liebkartoffel 's good TNG rewatch thread, I decided to start my own thread on my own thoughts about DS9. As I'm sure that if this thread is of interest to anyone, it'll mostly be of interest to people who've already seen DS9, which I have not seen before, I'll ask that if you want to discuss spoiler-y things that happen later on in the show, that you put said spoilers in spoiler tags. I really don't know a lot about what happens in DS9, other than that Worf shows up after TNG ends and eventually there's a war. Anyway, I've watched the first four episodes over the last couple of days, so here's my thoughts on them. "Emissary, Parts 1 and 2" - Commander Benjamin Sisko was a Starfleet officer serving on one of the ships that got destroyed by the Borg Cube under the command of Picard-as-Locutus in the good good TNG episode "Best of Both Worlds". While he escaped with his son Jake, Sisko's wife Jennifer died in the attack. Now it's two years later or whatever, and Commander Sisko has been given command of Deep Space Nine, a formerly Cardassian space station orbiting Bajor, a planet which the Cardassians have spent the last 60 years occupying. The Cardassians have, however, withdrawn from Bajor, and a provisional government has been set up by the Bajorans, who have requested a Federation presence in the system while the planet tries to get back on its feet after 60 years of brutal imperialist occupation, although Bajor is not itself a Federation planet. I do not know if the Cardassians' decision to stop occupying Bajor has anything to do with the events of the TNG episode "Nineteen Eighty-Four In Space!", which was the last TNG episode to air before DS9 premiered and which has Cardassians in it. Anyway, Sisko isn't super pleased about being in charge of DS9 and he plans to request another assignment; his son Jake is like eleven or so and isn't super cool with living on a dreary space station that doesn't have a lot of kids on it. Also for some reason Captain Picard, the dude who was forced by the Borg to murder Sisko's wife, is the guy who briefs Sisko on his new assignment, which is awkward. Also serving on DS9 are Odo, the head of security, an alien of unknown species who can do all sorts of Animorphs-shit, but who also doesn't know where he came from or even if there are other living members of his species in the galaxy. There's also Major Kira, the Bajoran liaison to Starfleet, who in the pilot is basically a cut rate version of Ensign Ro from TNG, and she is not very pleased with the Federation's involvement in Bajoran affairs. Then there's Lieutenant Dax, an old friend of Sisko's, although as she is a Trill who recently changed hosts, Sisko is only meeting her in her current body for the first time. Doctor Bashir is a young Starfleet practitioner eager to engage in whatever the 24th Century equivalent of frontier medicine is, but his main character trait at this point is "wants to have sex with Dax" which makes for some pretty not-great scenes of him being super awkward and annoying around the source of his infatuation (although thankfully they don't play up the fact that Dax was recently male for homo/transphobic laughs the way that they did at the end of the Trill-based TNG episode "Dr. Crusher Gets Shamed Into Having Sex With Her Platonic Work Friend Riker"). Chief Petty Officer O'Brien from TNG is joining DS9 as the Chief of Operations, which is cool because O'Brien is basically the best of the secondary non-Ro TNG characters, but also kind of weird since O'Brien is sort of a Cardassian-racist, having fought against them in the war between the Federation and the Cardassians. Then there's Quark, who isn't part of Starfleet or the Bajoran provisional government but rather a Ferengi...casino owner/restaurateur/con-man or something, who Sisko and Odo fascist-law-enforcement their way into coercing to stay on DS9 by threatening to lock up his ~11 year old nephew Nog for stealing some cheap plastic props, because DS9's business owners are all jumping ship now that the Cardassians are gone and they need to keep some businesses in the area even though they live in a post-money economy or whatever. Anyway, after we're introduced to the main cast, Sisko is convinced by some priest guy to go meet with the Bajoran Pope or something because Bajor is split up into a bunch of political factions, the provisional government doesn't seem to be up to the task of governing the planet, so civil war seems likely, and religion is the one thing that unites all of Bajor, so the Bajoran Pope (who I'll just call BP until one of you inevitably gets outraged and informs me of what her actual name and title are). So Sisko goes to the Bajoran Vatican where he's informed by BP that these weird glowing orbs of floating light which are apparently the most sacred artifacts to the Bajoran faith, have gone missing, they can probably guide one to some important holy site, and BP is worried that the Cardassians have some of the other glowing orbs and will find the holy site first. So after the glowing orb makes Sisko hallucinate the time that he met his wife, he departs with the orb to meet up with Dax, who is able to pinpoint the location where all the glowing orbs probably originated, so they take a shuttlecraft out to the location and find that there's a stable wormhole out there that takes them to the...Gamma?...Quadrant, which is a...different?...quadrant from where most of Star Trek happens, and as a stable wormhole has never been found before (I think there was a mediocre Season 2 episode about a planet whose people thought they'd discovered or invented a stable wormhole but then it turned out that it wasn't stable), this is a big deal. However, on the way back, Dax gets transported back to DS9 and Sisko is kept by the wormhole, which appears to either be a non-corporeal entit(y/ies) or to have been created by said entit(y/ies) who is/are very interested in what the deal is with these corporeal entities traveling through their wormhole. Meanwhile, back on DS9, Major Kira et. al. try to keep the wormhole a secret from the Cardassians, but a Cardassian ship travels through the wormhole anyway and gets trapped on the other side, and some other Cardassian ship captained by some dude named Golduck (except he's a Cardassian, not the Pokemon Golduck) or something become convinced that DS9 has destroyed the other Cardassian ship, and demands that Major Kira et. al. surrender to them. Kira et. al. are able to hold out for a while thanks to O'Brien's knowledge of Star Trek technobabble, though, at least until Sisko is able to convince the Wormhole Entit(y/ies) that corporeal entities don't aren't inherently violent and don't all deserve to die solely on the basis of their experiencing time in a linear fashion, and he and the Cardassians are let back out of the wormhole into Bajor space. Golduck calls off his attack, and the Wormhole Entit(y/ies) let everyone know that they're cool with corporeal ships using their stable wormhole to travel to the...Gamma?...Quadrant, so now Bajor is not only a planet with a tenuously functional provisional government, but DS9 is also a hot new interstellar transit hub. And Sisko has a slightly less awkward meeting with Picard where he announces that he's totally interested in remaining assigned to DS9. This was an alright episode of Star Trek. It was much better than "Encounter at Farpoint", TNG's pilot episode, in that the resolution was way less dumb, the characters seem a little better defined from the outset, but mostly, instead of being a heavy handed morality tale about how Q is wrong about human nature, Sisko's encounter with the Wormhole Entit(y/ies) is actually a kinda moving exploration of his grief over his wife's death. This is much more because of Avery Brooks' performance more so than the script itself, which is a fairly run-of-the-mill Trek-protagonists-meet-a-non-corporeal-entity-whose-understanding-of-the-universe-is-more-transcendent-than-ours story, but Brooks makes the best of the material he's given and turns it into a decent episode. Also, if you consider "Captain Kirk et. al. Meet the Salt Monster" to be the pilot episode of TOS, then "Emissary" is probably a better pilot than that too. It's definitely not great; Quark is annoying, Kira is a little too one note here, and the Bashir-hitting-on-Dax stuff is pretty misogynistic. But ultimately I'm really interested to see how the situation develops for the Bajor and DS9, as this is supposed to be the least episodic of the pre- Discovery Stars Trek, which has me more invested in even a middling episode like this one than I would be in a similarly middling episode of TNG. B-Edit: I suspect my entries on most future episodes will be much shorter, as this was a two-part episode and the pilot, so there was a lot of exposition required to provide even a short summary of the plot to this one.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Feb 14, 2018 13:47:43 GMT -5
Thanks for doing this! Some overall, hopefully non-spoilery thoughts:
I admit that, while it provides an intriguing premise and backdrop, a lot of the Bajor stuff never clicked for me. I remember about half of the Bajor-centric plots being "Kira has to confront her past and ruminate on the boundary between freedom fighter and terrorist" and the other half being "Sisko has to confront his newfound religious authority and ruminate on how to reconcile what's best for Starfleet/the Federation with what's best for Bajor." Both storylines produce some interesting, even great episodes, but they tend to get repetitive, particularly in the Bajor-heavy first couple of seasons. I think a real missed opportunity here was to finally include some diversity in the alien culture, which Trek has a habit of portraying as monolithic. But nope, pretty much every Bajoran is deeply religious, loves poetry, etc. Plus their uniforms are hideous--I mean, putty-colored with little booties? C'mon. Still, while Kira begins as a Ro-expy, I really appreciated her by the end.
With O'Brien, I feel like they were trying to introduce a couple of things--first a non-Bajoran whose irrational (well, pretty rational, really) hatred of the Cardassians might push Sisko toward unnecessary confrontations, and second a slightly more working class (but not really, his wife's a freaking botanist)/NCO point of view to contrast those of the stuffy officers. Overall, however, he slots into the "Chief Engineer" slot pretty much immediately.
Odo is the best. Odo's one liners are the best. Odo's relationship with Quark is the best. Quark is pretty special too, once you get to know him, though a few Ferengi-centric episodes get a little cringy. Both, along with a character whom I'm not sure has been introduced yet, push back against Starfleet and Federation dogma in pretty interesting ways. In fact, the outsiders' perspective on/interrogation of what it means to be part of the Federation is arguably what makes the show the best Trek.
Bashir was my favorite character when I first watched, but man, the constant hitting on/not-so-borderline sexual harassment of Dax was really rough at the beginning. Dax herself...well, I like Dax, but I can't help but feel that's because she's consciously designed as a sort of average dude's dream girl "attractive and intelligent, but uncomplicated and really just wants to have fun" type of thing. Probably my least favorite character, but she has some good scenes, particularly with Kira and Sisko.
Avery Brooks and Sisko are also the best--Kirk's charm without smarm, and Picard's gravitas without the stodginess. I mostly just appreciate that he gets to emote--he gets to be angry and sorrowful and conflicted and jubilant in ways that Starfleet officers hadn't previously been portrayed, and that makes him all the more relatavle. And it's safe to say that Brooks acts the hell out of this role.
Oh, almost forgot about Jake--Jake doesn't get a lot to do this season, but he already achieves a singular accomplishment: being the least annoying child actor in a Star Trek series.
As for this first handful of episodes, I mostly remember them suffering from exposition-itis, though I thought it was a clever idea to introduce Sisko as practically the only person in Starfleet who doesn't worship the ground Picard walks on.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Feb 14, 2018 16:22:53 GMT -5
Odo is the best. Odo's one liners are the best. Odo's relationship with Quark is the best. Quark is pretty special too, once you get to know him, though a few Ferengi-centric episodes get a little cringy. Both, along with a character whom I'm not sure has been introduced yet, push back against Starfleet and Federation dogma in pretty interesting ways. In fact, the outsiders' perspective on/interrogation of what it means to be part of the Federation is arguably what makes the show the best Trek. Yes, yes, a thousand times yes.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 15, 2018 0:37:23 GMT -5
A Man Alone - Odo wants to arrest an unscrupulous former Bajoran smuggler who was imprisoned after he killed a Cardassian officer, but who was recently pardoned by the Bajoran provisional government because even though he's the kind of shitbag who let a kid die because her parents couldn't afford the medicine he was offering, at least he stuck it to the Cardassians. Sisko is all like "No, that's not how laws work, Odo, you can't just arrest someone for crimes they've already been pardoned for. Please do not take the law into your own hands." The Bajoran smuggler dude ends up dead shortly thereafter with a knife in his back, and because of the circumstances of the murder, it seems that only a weird alien who can do Bad 90s CGI Animorphs-shit could possibly have committed the murder. This leads to a giant mob of people storming Odo's quarters and screaming about "shapeshifters", but fortunately Dax and Bashir figure out that Smuggler Guy miraculously used some very unrealistic genetic engineering to clone himself, then kill the clone and frame Odo, and leave DS9 unnoticed to start a new life. Despite the fact that Odo's nemesis Quark is basically the only person outside of DS9 personnel willing to treat him with any decency, things end up OK, because as Odo astutely points out at the end of the episode, killing your own clone is still murder, so Odo gets to throw someone in prison, which seems to be his favorite thing in the world, so yay for Odo! Meanwhile in Shitty B-plot-land, Bashir still really wants to have sex with Dax, and while Dax is almost unbelievably chill with his awkward flirting which verges on outright sexual harassment, it's still pretty shitty. And, to make matters even more cringeworthy, even though he doesn't admit it, Sisko also definitely wants to have sex with Dax too now, so I guess Dax's entire purpose on the show at this point is to be a Not Quite Manic But Still Very Much Quirky, Fun-Loving, and Dude-Obsessed Pixie Dream Trill Girl (which in the future I'll abbreviate as the pithier NQMBSVMQFL&DOPDTG because I get the feeling that this bullshit isn't going anywhere anytime soon), which sucks because it seems like Dax has the potential to be a really interesting character. Then in stage-setting-C-plot-land, after becoming outraged at how fake-looking Jake and Nog's bad CGI prank was, Keiko becomes a schoolteacher for DS9's two resident children and also a couple of very young extras who seem to have wandered into the shot. It kind of sucks for Keiko that she gets put into the role of generic female childcare professional or whatever when she was previously a botanist, but I guess it makes sense from a logistics standpoint, as it efficiently gives three of the show's secondary characters reasons to all get the same B- and C-plots.
Anyway, I thought this episode was a bit of a step-down from "Emmisary", but it's still a whole shit-ton better than almost every episode of Season 1 of TNG. There's some good chemistry developing between Odo and Quark, which serves to make Quark a less insufferable character, and Odo's a sympathetic character here; as a Bad 90s CGI Animorphs-shit Alien who's apparently never seen T2: Judgment Day, he doesn't know of anyone else who is even a similar kind of being to him, let alone a member of the same species, so that's a shitty thing to have to deal with. And on top of that, while he's a bit too law-and-order for my taste, that smuggler was a scumbag, and Odo is repaid for his righteous dislike of the guy by becoming the xenophobic target of a angry mob. It's doesn't make for a great A-plot, but it's still a decent one. The incipient Dax-Bashir-Sisko love triangle shit was bad, and the Keiko school subplot was merely competent, but overall "A Man Alone" is a serviceable episode of Star Trek. C+
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2018 18:57:02 GMT -5
Bashir and Dax definitely get better after the first season. Bashir is my favorite character of DS9, but his season 1 writing was very iffy. Season 1 is also the weakest of the show, but I think finds a decent groove in the latter half. Part of season 1's and somewhat season 2's problems is that it is still trying to develop into what DS9 is and is stuck with stories that would work better for TNG.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Feb 18, 2018 7:27:40 GMT -5
Kira was supposed to be Ro, that's why they introduced Ro on TNG, but then Michelle Forbes decided she didn't want to do it or something.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 18, 2018 21:52:51 GMT -5
Yeah, the early stuff with Bashir and Dax is mostly awful. It took the show a while to figure out Bashir as a character. This stuff with him pursuing Dax is creepy. And the way this episode tried to insinuate a love triangle when Dax doesn't want to sleep with either of these dudes is also awful.
The plot with Odo is okay, I guess. This is a dull episode.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 18, 2018 22:36:26 GMT -5
Past Prologue - All the Star Treks have someone who is isolated from the rest of their Starfleet comrades in some way. In TOS, Spock is a (mostly) emotionless half-Vulcan-half-human living among a mostly human crew, but who also doesn't quite fit in among other Vulcans. In TNG, Data is the only android in Starfleet, who wishes more than anything to be human and yet is often treated as an other by his fellow members of Starfleet. But DS9 seems to have several cast members who are in their own way isolated from their companions on the station. In "A Man Alone" we see how easily Odo's status as the only known member of a mystery species of Animorphs-shit aliens can lead to xenophobic mobs pelting his quarters with props from the set. There haven't been any Quark-centric episodes yet, but he's not a member of the Federation, and he was basically blackmailed into staying on DS9 in the first place. And in "Past Prologue" we focus on another DS9 character who doesn't really fit in. Major Kira is the provisional Bajoran government's liaison to Starfleet, and as such, she's somewhat at odds even with Commander Sisko and even with the Federation's very presence in Bajoran affairs to begin with. So when an old comrade from her Bajoran freedom fighter days is offered asylum after fleeing from his Cardassian captors, one might think that she's found a true friend on DS9 at last. But as it turns out, this Bajoran dude (whose name I don't remember, so I'll just call him Kevin) is a member of the Kohn Ma, a terrorist group who have apparently committed a number of atrocities against the Cardassians, and Sisko isn't very pleased with this. But as Kevin says that he and his friends are tired of violence, Kira is able to convince Sisko that the provisional government needs former members of the Kohn Ma in order to heal the divisions within their societies, so Kevin should be given asylum. But Kevin seems to have other plans, and what's more, he tells Kira that if she's not willing to help him out, then basically she's sold out to the Federation, semi-adversarial relationship with Starfleet or not. And so Kira is conflicted; she is genuinely trying to help Bajor and Kevin tells her that he wasn't lying when he said he was through with violence, but on the other hand, he refuses to clarify what it is that he's planning to do. Meanwhile, in B-plot-land, Bashir meets a Cardassian clothier named Garrick or something like that, and becomes convinced that Garrick is a Cardassian spy who wants to establish contact with him in order to provide a channel of contact between Starfleet and the Cardassians. And as it turns out, he's right. Two of the Klingons who tried to take over the Klingon episode back in the Season 4/5-bridging two-parter of TNG show up, and through Garrick, Bashir learns that the Klingons are here to sell bomb-making materials to Kevin and his Kohn Ma friends, but the Klingons will turn the Kohn Ma members over to the Cardassians for a fee (which explains why the Cardassians would be willing to share this information with Starfleet, as it's conceivably beneficial to both parties). So, as Kira has decided to work with Starfleet instead of assisting Kevin, a plan is worked out; Kira will pretend to help Kevin obtain the materials for the bomb, Kira will stop Kevin, who will then be apprehended. Only things don't go according to plan, as Kevin gets access to the bomb, stops Kira, and then informs Kira that he intends to blow up the bomb at the mouth of the wormhole, hopefully collapsing it, prompting the Federation and other parties to lose interest in the Bajoran system, and leaving the Bajorans to work their own matters out by themselves. Kira, however, is able to get the shuttlecraft with her and Kevin through the wormhole and launch the bomb far enough out into gamma space that it doesn't damage anything, and Kevin is arrested.
This was my favorite episode of the series so far. Kira is put into a difficult situation, and the very concept of her role as liaison to Starfleet is questioned, as is the very concept of compromising with a power with whom one does not share priorities in order to advance one's cause. It helps that Kevin and the Kohn Ma were in fact interested in a non-violent approach to furtherint their interests; although he and his friends shouldn't be able to unilaterally decide to collapse the wormhole on their own, he does probably have a point that it's going to be difficult for an independent Bajor to ever come into being while their star system is a hot new interstellar transit hub which both the Federation and others are interested in having a say in the control of. So ultimately, while Kira does the right thing, she's still isolated from both Starfleet (her interactions with Sisko in appealing on behalf of Kevin mostly served to strain their relationship), and former Bajoran allies like Kevin, who, as he's being taken away at the end of the episode, calls Kira a traitor. I also liked the B-plot between Bashir and Garrick; Bashir proves to be pretty good comic relief when he's not asking Dax out for the 90th time, and his inflated sense of importance at being part of the channel of communication between Starfleet and the Cardassians in this sector, coupled with how unprepared he is to handle this role, is pretty great. B
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 19, 2018 1:07:26 GMT -5
"Garak" is the spelling you are looking for. I have no idea what Kevin's real name is, and I don't really care, so I have no corrections to offer there. But Garak deserves to have his name spelled correctly.
Anyway, yes, I loved Bashir's excitement at being contacted by a potential spy. And how he really has no idea what he's doing in that story. That was fun.
I also quite liked the concept of Kira's story. It was good that the show displayed some of the conflict that exists in the background of the show with the ongoing political development of Bajor. I know a lot of fans didn't like this stuff, but I thought it was very important to show the uneasiness of Bajor with having the Federation around. This is also a nice episode for showing what kind of position Kira is in, having previously been a terrorist during the Occupation, and now being a bit unsure of which direction she wants her society to go.
And..... that is the entirety of my non-spoilery thoughts on this episode. It can be somewhat challenging to write DS9 comments with no spoilers. Even thoughts on character development are spoilery. Alas.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Feb 19, 2018 1:18:26 GMT -5
Garak appears in fewer than 40 episodes, but he is always a delight and it is usually a sign you're in for a great episode.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2018 4:20:52 GMT -5
If you like the comedy of Garak and Bashir, just wait till you get Bashir and O'Brien.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 19, 2018 9:15:09 GMT -5
Yeah, the early stuff with Bashir and Dax is mostly awful. It took the show a while to figure out Bashir as a character. This stuff with him pursuing Dax is creepy. And the way this episode tried to insinuate a love triangle when Dax doesn't want to sleep with either of these dudes is also awful. The plot with Odo is okay, I guess. This is a dull episode. I straight-up hated Bashir as a character until they figured out his relationships with O'Brian and Garak and made him seem like a person.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 19, 2018 11:08:13 GMT -5
Yeah, the early stuff with Bashir and Dax is mostly awful. It took the show a while to figure out Bashir as a character. This stuff with him pursuing Dax is creepy. And the way this episode tried to insinuate a love triangle when Dax doesn't want to sleep with either of these dudes is also awful. The plot with Odo is okay, I guess. This is a dull episode. I straight-up hated Bashir as a character until they figured out his relationships with O'Brian and Garak and made him seem like a person. and then about the time they get Bashir's character figured out and good they make...that reveal, which was certainly a choice the could have made.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Feb 19, 2018 12:35:43 GMT -5
If you like the comedy of Garak and Bashir, just wait till you get Bashir and O'Brien. Although that takes until the second season for this to work out and is also pretty annoying early on. By the time of “Armageddon Game” Bashir’s annoying in a more relateable way, at least. I think Ro’s popularity was in a sense a catalyst for the entire show, especially when you see how Bajor-centric it would have been originally. Of course Kira offers a lot more storytelling potential than Ro, too—Ro grew up off of Bajor, not really connected with its customs or religion like Kira is, and would have been more directly under Sisko’s command—I wonder if that’s part of why Sisko was only a commander at first, because his first officer would have been just a lieutenant. The producers definitely knew they had a good actress with Forbes, though, and IIRC they even weighed the possibility of her being on Voyager. From the “Making of”-type book I read a while back for a while they thought of having essentially four big main characters: you’d have Janeway and her mentor (who became Tuvok) and then on the Maquis side you’d have Ro’s mentor (who’d become Chakotay, and was originally envisioned as being a lot older) and Ro, who would have been tactical officer. This was probably bandied about for something like two meetings before they realized that Forbes would never agree to being a series regular, and that character became B’Elanna and later got switched to engineering.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 19, 2018 21:33:43 GMT -5
Babel - Everything's fucking up on DS9, and O'Brien, being the Chief Operations Officer or whatever his title is, apparently doesn't have anyone under his command, because he's being run ragged fixing all the various bullshit that's broken on the station. He ends a long day by fixing the replicators on the command level for Commander Sisko and having himself a nice hot cup of coffee; the camera pans into the wall and we see that there's a mysterious device attached to the inside of the replicator. Shortly thereafter, O'Brien starts talking nonsense, and Bashir diagnoses him with a sort of aphasia where he's randomly mixing up words. Then other people start getting the same aphasia and Bashir's is confused, because there should be astronomical odds against something like this spontaneously happening to so many people at once like this. Eventually they realize that it was those command level replicators which was lacing the replicator foods and beverages with a virus which causes the aphasia, and Odo catches Quark using said replicators to supply people with food at his restaurant/casino thing, because O'Brien hadn't gotten around to fixing the replicators on the promenade, which explains why even non-command-level personnel are getting the aphasia. What's worse, the aphasia is caused by a virus, which has gone airborne, and O'Brien has gone into a feverish state and he and everyone infected (which by this point is everyone on DS9) will eventually present with symptoms and ultimately die. Bashir tries in vain to develop an antidote, while Kira tracks down the origin of the virus, which it turns out is some Bajorans who tampered with the command level replicators years ago, back when DS9 was under Cardassian control. So when the only living guy who might be able to solve their problem refuses to help, Kira takes a shuttlecraft into Bajoran orbit, beams him on board and, upon informing him that since the virus is airborne he is infected too, he starts developing an antidote. While all this goes down, Odo and Sisko have problems with a trader who tries to leave DS9 so he can get his cargo where it needs to go, despite the fact that he's also infected, and on the verge of presenting with symptoms. The trader's ship gets stuck while trying to depart from the station's docking ring, and is threatening to explode, which is bad for the station and the people on board, when all of a sudden, Sisko succumbs to the virus and starts talking nonsense, so Odo, with the help of Quark, who shows up just in the knick of time, heads down to the docking ring, manages to get the trader's ship to disconnect from the docking ring so it can harmlessly explode out in space, and saves the trader. The Bajoran scientist Kira abducted succesfully develops an antidote, everyone is cured, and the episode ends with Commander Sisko getting pissed at O'Brien because the replicators on command level are still fucked up so Sisko's coffee still sucks, but thankfully is no longer lethal.
This was an OK episode. It's really the first episode that, with the alteration of a couple of details, could just as easily have been a TNG or TOS story. There's a number of Star Trek episodes about people getting infected with some weird virus or something, which range from very good to very bad. "Babel" is just fine, as far as those episodes go. It's a serviceable enough concept, and competently made. There's never any real concern that anyone (at least anyone important) is going to die four episodes into the show's first season, so the stakes never really feel very high, but the episode still manages to be suspenseful enough. The best thing about the episode is probably the continued development of the relationship between Odo and Quark. TNG doesn't really have an antagonistic relationship that can be played for comedy like that between Odo and Quark; any conflict between the main characters is usually confined to a single episode, and too often the officers on TNG are just bland professionals honored to serve on the Enterprise. The Odo and Quark stuff isn't perfect yet, but already I can see why so many of you like the scenes with them together so much; they're one of the more interesting parts of the show to this point, and the climactic scene with Quark helping Odo, and Quark's brief moment of concern for his Constable nemesis is entertaining and kinda touching. And in another example of "Avery Brooks' performance improves a mediocre script", Brooks manages to lend some pathos to an otherwise rather weak scene where Sisko learns that Jake has been affected by the virus. Overall, this isn't a great, episode, but it's watchable. B-
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 0:41:30 GMT -5
Only 4 more episodes till Move Along Home.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 20, 2018 1:09:09 GMT -5
Only 4 more episodes till Move Along Home. Is this a good thing or a bad thing?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2018 1:41:26 GMT -5
Only 4 more episodes till Move Along Home. Is this a good thing or a bad thing? It is a thing alright
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 21, 2018 1:54:59 GMT -5
Only 4 more episodes till Move Along Home. Allamaraine! This also means The Passenger is coming up. Wooo!
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Post by Prole Hole on Feb 21, 2018 6:00:37 GMT -5
Only 4 more episodes till Move Along Home. Allamaraine! This also means The Passenger is coming up. Wooo! Ah, but it also means If Wishes Were Horses is approaching...
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Post by Sanziana on Feb 22, 2018 9:17:11 GMT -5
Garak appears in fewer than 40 episodes, but he is always a delight and it is usually a sign you're in for a great episode. Garak is one of the best characters of DS9. The actor does an amazing job. I wanted to call him my favourite, but then I remembered Odo. No one beats Odo for me.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 23, 2018 23:13:13 GMT -5
Captive Pursuit - For the first time, a Gamma Quadrant ship crosses through the wormhole into Alpha Quadrant space. But something's weird with the pilot, who refuses to be beamed off of his failing ship. He reluctantly allows DS9 to tractor beam him in to repair his ship. O'Brien is sent down to meet the new visitor, a reptilian-looking alien who can turn invisible, and who, when O'Brien asks his name, will only say "I am Tosk." Tosk behaves in a kind of weird manner, doesn't seem to fully understand life on DS9, and is eager to get a move on, but at the same time he develops something of a bond with O'Brien. Relations with Tosk are strained when he's found trying to break into the weapons locker and refuses to explain why, so he's locked up in the brig. Then all of a sudden some other similar aliens come through the wormhole, beam onto the station and manage to take Tosk captive. It turns out that Tosk is a member of a species genetically engineered by Species #2 specifically to be the prey in Species #2's hunting expeditions, and in receiving help from the inhabitants of DS9, Tosk has apparently broken the rules of the hunt, and will be denied an honorable death, and will be returned to Species #2's home planet to be disgracefully held in captivity. Sisko isn't super cool with this super fucked-up state of affairs, but, aside from receiving a promise from Species #2 to never use the wormhole in their hunts again, his hands are tied because of the Prime Directive. O'Brien, on the other hand, after getting some accidental advice courtesy of Quark, decides to free Tosk, and arm him, under the claim that Tosk wouldn't really be breaking the rules of Species #2's hunt, so much as providing his would-be captors with a hunt of unprecedented challenge, which is apparently the ultimate desire/honor of all Tosk or whatever. O'Brien is able to help Tosk fight off his captors, make his way to his repaired ship, and continue his quest to give Species #2 the slip for as long as possible. Tosk tells O'Brien to "die with honor", to which O'Brien's like "Yeah, sure, thanks, I guess? You too, I think?" and Tosk departs from DS9. O'Brien gets yelled at by Sisko for pretty flagrantly disregarding the Prime Directive, but this is mostly a formality, as Sisko, Odo, et. al. deliberately took their time in attempting to sto O'Brien from freeing Tosk, in effect allowing him to carry out his rescue unimpeded. I thought this was a pretty decent episode. "Starfleet officer meets an alien species genetically engineered to be the quarry in a hunt, and some Prime Directive shit happens" is a premise that has a lot of potential pitfalls, and "Captive Pursuit" mostly avoids them. The relationship built between O'Brien and Tosk over the course of the episode is actually kind of moving, and it's a solid example of a Star Trek episode where the protagonists have to find a way make their peace with an alien from a culture with values that are deeply at odds with their own. It's not a great episode, but it's pretty solid, and plus, O'Brien's a good character, so I'm glad that he's getting more to do on DS9. B
Also, Jean-Luc Lemur, while I'll take your word that the O'Brien-Bashir stuff takes a while to work out, five or six episodes in, the funniest moment on the show so far, imo, was in this episode where O'Brien is talking to Sisko et. al. about his inability to get Tosk to explain what caused the damage to his ship. Bashir says that perhaps O'Brien should send Tosk to him, as patients are often willing to open up to doctors, and O'Brien just goes on talking as if Bashir hadn't said anything. Which was considerably funnier when one actually watches it as opposed to merely reading a description of it.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Feb 24, 2018 18:44:49 GMT -5
Having only seens bits and pieces of pre-Season 3 DS9 back in the pre-DVD era, “Captive Pursuit” always struck me as the first real episode of DS9. I like “Emissary” quite a bit more than most people—everyone’s still feeling out their parts, but Sisko really strikes me as Captain Pike done right, someone with a past that weighs on him, and the episode’s about his struggle to move on (“it is not linear”). It prepares Sisko for the rest of the series, though, and it doesn’t really feel a part of it. Since I only started watching DS9 (and really Star Trek as a whole) around 1995, I never really got a the sense of a strong DS9-Bajor connection so episodes like “Past Prologue” seemed a bit like a relic from when the show was trying to find itself, and ones “Babel” like something that might happen on TNG.
“Captive Pursuit,” though, here we go—here’s a scaly guy from the Gammma Quadrant. And here’s O’Brien’s “bend the rules” moment, which is one of those lines that just defines DS9.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Feb 24, 2018 22:47:52 GMT -5
Q-Less - Bashir is regaling a woman who is unrealistically attracted by Bashir's awkward bullshit with some shitty story about an exam he took in med school, and O'Brien has a look on his face like "Fuck, this is going to be a really bad episode, isn't it?" when all of a sudden, Sisko's like "Hey, Bashir and especially O'Brien, you need to get up here to give us some emergency expository dialogue, so hurry the hell up!" Dax is returning from a trip through the wormhole in a shuttlecraft, only the airlock thing isn't opening, and Dax and her passengers are about to run out of air or something because the life support systems have failed. Unsurprisingly, O'Brien is able to get the door open before one of the show's main characters dies five minutes into the show's sixth episode. What is kind of surprising is that Dax has picked up a human passenger in the Gamma Quadrant, which is really weird, as there shouldn't be any humans out there. What's weirder is that O'Brien knows this human, because said human is Vash, Jean-Luc Picard's shitty 80s action-film/disgraced archaeologist/felon girlfriend, who previously guest starred in a pair of bad TNG episodes. It turns out that Vash has been stealing Gamma Quadrant planets or whatever. Plundering other cultures of their artifacts is generally seen a bad thing in Star Trek, unless it's Vash, in which case said plundering is supposed to be roguish, cute, hilarious, and all around MPDGish. She's stolen all sorts of prop knives and fake statues and stuff that she can sell to the highest bidder at auction, but her prize possession is a Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing that the inventory guy on DS9 thinks is a Technobabble Orb, but according to Vash, it turns out that the technobabble in the putative Technobabble Orb doesn't technobabble the technobabble so it's not actually a Technobabble Orb, but rather something much more valuable. A good chunk of the lines in this three minute scene between the two are about the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing, so the viewer can rest assured that it's not important to the plot of the story, so you can just go ahead and forget about the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thingy. Then Q shows up and tries to convince Vash to rejoin him in exploring the galaxy, which he and Vash had been doing together after the events of the shitty TNG episode "Shitty Robin Hood, and Also Q's There". Vash wants Q out of her life, but he keeps creepily pestering her, and eventually O'Brien, who of course is also acquainted with Q, spots them having a conversation on the promenade. He heads to Sisko, and tells him about Q's presence on DS9, which prompts Sisko to confront Vash about Q, who appears during this conversation, challenges Sisko to an old-timey bare-knuckle boxing fight, and proceeds to just generally piss of Sisko as much as, if not more than, he pisses off Picard whenever the omnipotent entity shows up on TNG. Meanwhile, DS9 is experiencing random life support systems failures similar to what happened to Dax's shuttlecraft at the beginning of the episode, and Sisko thinks it's Q. Q pleads innocence, and just straight up murdering people without at least forcing them to wear some cheap period costumes first also seems a bit out of character for Q, so it seems like Sisko's prime suspect may be telling the truth. Meanwhile, as the life support systems on the station get iffier and iffier, Vash has decided to arrange for Quark to sell her stolen artifacts at auction, which subplot involves a scene where we're reminded that the ears are erogenous zone for Ferengi. As Quark sells off the stolen artifacts to a bunch of unscrupulous bidders, Sisko, Dax, et. al. are able to track down the cause of the pending failure of all life support systems on DS9 to Vash/Quark's illegal auction. In what I suppose is supposed to be a surprise twist, it turns out that the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing is to blame, so Sisko has O'Brien beam it out into space, where it promptly turns into an Embryonic CGI Space Manta Ray and flies off into the wormhole. Vash convinces Q to leave her alone, and she decides to return to earth, where archaelogists at the Daystrom Institute or whatever are willing to welcome a felonious disgraced former member of their order back into the fold as long as she can tell them some good stories about all the shit she stole from Gamma Quadrant.
"Oh fuck no," was my reaction to reading the title of this episode, because it told me that Q would be in it, and this episode not only lived down to my expectations, it was actually worse than I thought it would be. Because I didn't know that Vash would also be in this episode with her supposedly charming and quirky roguish felonies, that Bashir and Quark would both get subplots where they really want to have sex with Vash and act really creepy, that Quark would get an earjob from Vash, and that the cause of the "mysterious" systems failures on DS9 would be so goddamn obvious. And re: that last point, it's a fucking shame they didn't wait a couple of years to film this episode, because if they had, they could have toned down the ear sex stuff a bit, and done a crossover episode with the popular children's mystery show for small children Blue's Clues to solve the mystery of the life support systems failures. It still wouldn't have been a very good episode, but at least Small Child Me would have enjoyed this episode back in ca. 1996 or whenever it was that Blue's Clues first aired. Small Child Me would've been all like "No, Steve, Sisko, Dax, it's the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing that's causing all the systems failures; can't you see, Blue has her filthy cyan pawprints all over Vash's stolen artifacts storage locker, the box the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing is being held in, and this piece of paper that reads "That scene where Vash and that other guy talked about how extraordinary the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing is was foreshadowing, because the Glowing 90s CGI Orb Thing is actually very important to the plot of this episode."' Jesus fucking Christ this episode was bad. I mean, it's not the worst episode of Star Trek by any stretch, because it's not fucking "Shades of Grey" or "Turnabout Intruder" or "Code of Honor". It's at least competently filmed and acted, the at least writers and director don't seem to wish they lived in Atwood's Gilead or PKD's Man In the High Castle-verse, and the moment where Sisko tells Q "I'm not Picard," was pretty cool, but overall, this was a really bad episode, and by far the worst of the DS9 episodes I've seen to this point. I hate Q and I hate Vash and I hate every time they make jokes about how the ears are an erogenous zone on Ferengi and I hate it when the generic sci-fi plot of an episode of Star Trek is so insultingly lazy and I definitely hate it when all four of those things happen in one episode, so "Q-Less" was a pretty bad one in my book. D+
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Feb 25, 2018 12:26:36 GMT -5
Wait, does the pre-vs. post-ganglionic thing appear this early‽ It ends up popping up again and again (Bashir really needs the learn how to move on in the first half of the series) and actually ends up somewhat important. In the DS9 comments we often referred to “plot jazz!” where random, unplanned, even throwaway stuff ended up building to something more and Bashir’s finals end up being one of those.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Feb 25, 2018 21:45:24 GMT -5
I like Q and am ambivalent toward Vash, but I think both are kind of wasted when not playing against Picard. And yeah, the oo-mox stuff never stops being creepy (sorry, it's going to come up a lot).
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2018 6:50:59 GMT -5
Yeah the ears thing never goes away and it's creepy and terrible every time it happens. I mean that's basically the equivalent of a hand-job, right? Or at the very least grabbing someone's crotch and rubbing it, which, unsurprisingly, is not something that happens in public to any of the non-Ferengi characters... (though the Ferengi are out-and-out terrible anyway, the very worst recurring species Trek ever came up with. The only exception is Quark, and that's because of Armin Shimmerman and nothing else. Nog gets a pass post Season Six, but that's not a strong bench to work with).
Q's fine when he's well used and unbearable when he's not well used. Here it's the latter, insufferable, at best. Vash is.. eh. She's OK, maybe, but she only really existed as a prop to give Picard something different to do rather than as a fully rounded person, and there's no sense that she was a character that ever needed to come back, either in later TNG or DS9.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 1, 2018 9:45:30 GMT -5
Yeah the ears thing never goes away and it's creepy and terrible every time it happens. I mean that's basically the equivalent of a hand-job, right? Or at the very least grabbing someone's crotch and rubbing it, which, unsurprisingly, is not something that happens in public to any of the non-Ferengi characters... (though the Ferengi are out-and-out terrible anyway, the very worst recurring species Trek ever came up with. The only exception is Quark, and that's because of Armin Shimmerman and nothing else. Nog gets a pass post Season Six, but that's not a strong bench to work with). Q's fine when he's well used and unbearable when he's not well used. Here it's the latter, insufferable, at best. Vash is.. eh. She's OK, maybe, but she only really existed as a prop to give Picard something different to do rather than as a fully rounded person, and there's no sense that she was a character that ever needed to come back, either in later TNG or DS9. I think latter season Rom has redeeming qualities as well. What of the theory that Tosk is some sort of proto Jem'Hadar?
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Post by Prole Hole on Mar 1, 2018 10:08:07 GMT -5
I can't stand Rom at any point, I'm afraid. Absolutely terrible.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 1, 2018 11:50:02 GMT -5
I can't stand Rom at any point, I'm afraid. Absolutely terrible. I mean he’s always weak comic relief, but there’s interesting stuff happening with the way Nog’s evolution reflects back on him.
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