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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Mar 2, 2018 10:56:31 GMT -5
Question: Obviously non-Wakandans can make vibranium technology like Klaue's prosthetic that functions like a perfectly cromulent arm and has a pew pew laser built in and is so magical that it looks like it's still there even when CGIed out; why couldn't Shuri have made some shiny new tech for Bucky to replace his evil Russian cyborg parts? Hadn't he been there a while? Maybe he was still in the coma until the movie was over, and T'Challa wanted to make sure he was... armless?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 2, 2018 11:03:09 GMT -5
Question: Obviously non-Wakandans can make vibranium technology like Klaue's prosthetic that functions like a perfectly cromulent arm and has a pew pew laser built in and is so magical that it looks like it's still there even when CGIed out; why couldn't Shuri have made some shiny new tech for Bucky to replace his evil Russian cyborg parts? Hadn't he been there a while? Maybe he was still in the coma until the movie was over, and T'Challa wanted to make sure he was... armless? Is it clear how long he's actually been there? Or if the end credits scene actually happened after the events of the movie? At any rate, I assume that's EXACTLY what we'll see in Infinity War. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 2, 2018 11:03:25 GMT -5
Question: Obviously non-Wakandans can make vibranium technology like Klaue's prosthetic that functions like a perfectly cromulent arm and has a pew pew laser built in and is so magical that it looks like it's still there even when CGIed out; why couldn't Shuri have made some shiny new tech for Bucky to replace his evil Russian cyborg parts? Hadn't he been there a while? Maybe he was still in the coma until the movie was over, and T'Challa wanted to make sure he was... armless? I think she was just waiting to fix him mentally before fixing him physically. I suspect we'll see his new arm in Infinity War (and they may have wanted to wait until then to debut it anyway). |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Mar 2, 2018 12:33:52 GMT -5
Question: Obviously non-Wakandans can make vibranium technology like Klaue's prosthetic that functions like a perfectly cromulent arm and has a pew pew laser built in and is so magical that it looks like it's still there even when CGIed out; why couldn't Shuri have made some shiny new tech for Bucky to replace his evil Russian cyborg parts? Hadn't he been there a while? Maybe he was still in the coma until the movie was over, and T'Challa wanted to make sure he was... armless? Is it clear how long he's actually been there? Or if the end credits scene actually happened after the events of the movie? At any rate, I assume that's EXACTLY what we'll see in Infinity War. Well, she referred to Ross as "another broken white boy for me to fix", so I dangerously assume that he'd been there a while. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 4, 2018 4:12:14 GMT -5
I liked it. It did feel very rushed to me. Specifically, the entire story of Killmonger felt very rushed. It feels like he just showed up and then he was dead, like, an hour later. Which, is kind of how long it took in the movie, I guess.
I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. He came in upset about how Wakanda of old had operated. But, T'Challa was already exploring possibilities of changing society. And he recognized the error of what had happened. I felt the relationship between those two men was seriously underdeveloped and there was a lot of story potential that went unexplored.
I did love all of the women. Those were all awesome characters. Shuri is such a fantastic character.
Overall, pretty good! This was my second ever MCU movie.
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Post by moimoi on Mar 4, 2018 11:39:27 GMT -5
I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. He came in upset about how Wakanda of old had operated. But, T'Challa was already exploring possibilities of changing society. And he recognized the error of what had happened. I felt the relationship between those two men was seriously underdeveloped and there was a lot of story potential that went unexplored. He killed a lot of people - remember the guards during the museum heist? I understand why he had to die and I think they handled his death well, but yeah, I almost wish Black Panther had been a series so we could have more time with his character and in Wakanda. |
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Post by sarapen on Mar 4, 2018 15:36:20 GMT -5
I liked it. It did feel very rushed to me. Specifically, the entire story of Killmonger felt very rushed. It feels like he just showed up and then he was dead, like, an hour later. Which, is kind of how long it took in the movie, I guess. I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. Hey, good point. It's probably not illegal in Wakanda to throw the King off a cliff during ritual combat. And it's definitely not illegal to invade other countries. Those people Killmonger killed in London weren't Wakandans, and while he did open fire on T'Challa and friends when he freed Klaw (Klaue), the whole thing was basically an internal disagreement within the royal family. Killmonger later becomes king (I think, I don't know the specifics of Wakandan succession), and as absolute monarch, if the Black Panther wants to shoot his own subjects then he has the right. Of course, since T'Challa ultimately wins then I guess all of the above gets counted as treason. |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Mar 4, 2018 16:29:34 GMT -5
I'm trying to decide which is more awesome: the fact that lip plate dude existed at all, or that his jewelry always matched perfectly with his dapper ensemble.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Mar 4, 2018 16:56:36 GMT -5
I liked it. It did feel very rushed to me. Specifically, the entire story of Killmonger felt very rushed. It feels like he just showed up and then he was dead, like, an hour later. Which, is kind of how long it took in the movie, I guess. I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. He came in upset about how Wakanda of old had operated. But, T'Challa was already exploring possibilities of changing society. And he recognized the error of what had happened. I felt the relationship between those two men was seriously underdeveloped and there was a lot of story potential that went unexplored. I did love all of the women. Those were all awesome characters. Shuri is such a fantastic character. Overall, pretty good! This was my second ever MCU movie. Certainly it had more to do with “if we let this guy live he will continue to have a claim to the throne and keep trying this shit”, right? |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 4, 2018 17:19:03 GMT -5
I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. He came in upset about how Wakanda of old had operated. But, T'Challa was already exploring possibilities of changing society. And he recognized the error of what had happened. I felt the relationship between those two men was seriously underdeveloped and there was a lot of story potential that went unexplored. He killed a lot of people - remember the guards during the museum heist? I understand why he had to die and I think they handled his death well, but yeah, I almost wish Black Panther had been a series so we could have more time with his character and in Wakanda. I mean, yeah, the museum people....I kinda forgot about that. I was talking about Wakanda laws. Or maybe I'm so irritated by museum curators ignoring theft of objects and misstating use and provenance that I subconsciously supported him. (That's only partly a joke. I took a couple classes in Egyptology and had a professor turn me on to noticing how museums acquire and display Egyptian antiquities.) |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 4, 2018 18:54:37 GMT -5
He killed a lot of people - remember the guards during the museum heist? I understand why he had to die and I think they handled his death well, but yeah, I almost wish Black Panther had been a series so we could have more time with his character and in Wakanda. I mean, yeah, the museum people....I kinda forgot about that. I was talking about Wakanda laws. Or maybe I'm so irritated by museum curators ignoring theft of objects and misstating use and provenance that I subconsciously supported him. (That's only partly a joke. I took a couple classes in Egyptology and had a professor turn me on to noticing how museums acquire and display Egyptian antiquities.) By Wakandan law, as near as I can tell, if he didn't yield, then T'Challa had an obligation to kill him. EDIT: I meant to respond to Superb Owl 🦉, whoops. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 5, 2018 1:35:55 GMT -5
I liked it. It did feel very rushed to me. Specifically, the entire story of Killmonger felt very rushed. It feels like he just showed up and then he was dead, like, an hour later. Which, is kind of how long it took in the movie, I guess. I quite liked his stinger last line, but I sort of wish they had kept him alive. He says he doesn't want to end up in prison, but by my calculations he hadn't actually broken any laws. He came in upset about how Wakanda of old had operated. But, T'Challa was already exploring possibilities of changing society. And he recognized the error of what had happened. I felt the relationship between those two men was seriously underdeveloped and there was a lot of story potential that went unexplored. I did love all of the women. Those were all awesome characters. Shuri is such a fantastic character. Overall, pretty good! This was my second ever MCU movie. Certainly it had more to do with “if we let this guy live he will continue to have a claim to the throne and keep trying this shit”, right? I mean, maybe. The guy knew Wakanda based on stuff he'd been told or surmised. It was all based on the old regime. T'Challa agreed that he'd been wronged. He came in and laid a legal challenge. Technically by film's end, he lost. He seemed to acknowledge that. But then T'Challa's all "You know, we can probably heal you." And his response is that he doesn't want to be imprisoned. That just seems strange to me. Maybe I'm too much of a Trekkie. I'm sitting there thinking, "Dude just got there. There's been Regime Change. It's not even the Wakanda he thinks it is. Give him some time to adjust. Can't they just talk it out?" Have I mentioned that I'm not a big comic book movie fan? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 5, 2018 8:53:19 GMT -5
Certainly it had more to do with “if we let this guy live he will continue to have a claim to the throne and keep trying this shit”, right? I mean, maybe. The guy knew Wakanda based on stuff he'd been told or surmised. It was all based on the old regime. T'Challa agreed that he'd been wronged. He came in and laid a legal challenge. Technically by film's end, he lost. He seemed to acknowledge that. But then T'Challa's all "You know, we can probably heal you." And his response is that he doesn't want to be imprisoned. That just seems strange to me. Maybe I'm too much of a Trekkie. I'm sitting there thinking, "Dude just got there. There's been Regime Change. It's not even the Wakanda he thinks it is. Give him some time to adjust. Can't they just talk it out?" Have I mentioned that I'm not a big comic book movie fan? He murdered Zuri in cold blood. That may be the one thing that couldn't get wallpapered over, and it wasn't something that could be excused by the challenge. |
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Post by ganews on Mar 7, 2018 16:50:44 GMT -5
Finally saw it last night. Really good, but not quite as mind-bending a spectacle as I expected/hoped.
stray thoughts:
During the credits, I got to explain to Wifemate who Grace Jones is (probably my favorite throw-away line) and that Michael B. Jordan was Wallace on the The Wire.
All the best characters were women, and it wasn't even close.
Chekhov's Rhino.
I had forgotten that the general and Daniel Kaluuya were a couple until she held a spear to his face.
When Daniel Kaluuya isn't emoting hard, I always think his expression says "what is this shit".
I didn't even know Forest Whitaker was going to be in this!
So no more Spirit of the Black Panther after T'Challa forever? All the flowers got burned.
I was confused as hell by the "another white boy" line, so thanks stinger.
Opinion: Andy Serkis's role is ridiculous and I'm glad the character is dead.
Martin Freeman was the height of uselessness aside from jokes at his expense and the CIA stuff, see below.
Killmonger's scarring looked awesome.
I couldn't read the lip tattoos in the Wakanda language at all. I just got a new glasses prescription last year.
The most striking thing about the movie was the way it referenced real-world issues. I had the same thought about Get Out; at the end when the blue lights shine on Chris, you know he is about to get killed by cops because that's what happens. Everybody knows. That's why the twist works so well. Well in Black Panther, when Martin Freeman casually mentions how the CIA runs missions to destabilize governments; or when Killmonger implies that ancient museum objects were stolen from homelands; or when (less directly) Killmonger references ancestors who chose to leap from slave ships to their death - these are things the audience knows. And you'll get no argument from me. It is just striking because until very recently we have never seen mass-market entertainment lay these terrible things out as known truths before without equivocating or excusing. (Well, the CIA part has driven a certain number of action/thriller movies, but you get the point.)
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Post by Jimmy James on Mar 11, 2018 15:01:20 GMT -5
Apparently that one neighbourhood we saw was supposed to be the Wakandan capital's hipster district, but yeah the public transit in the movie is weird, as that one tweeter expanded upon in the linked article. Hyperloops and maglevs that go nowehere is where it's at, apparently. As he notes, "Perhaps this all makes sense though. Wakanda is still an absolute monarchy, and without democratic input its king is naturally going to choose exciting hyperloop and maglev projects over boring local and regional transport links." I just want you to know I've spent the last five days imagining Wakanda getting taken in by a Lyle Lanley type huckster. "You know, a secret nation state with Vibranium's a little like a mule with a spinning wheel. No one knows how he got it and danged if he knows how to use it. I've sold hyperloops to Latveria, Madripoor and Kamar-Taj and by gum, it put them on the map!" |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 16, 2018 9:54:35 GMT -5
As the resident 3D aficionado, I have to say that 3D effects in this movie were UTTERLY FUCKING BRILLIANT! All of the holograms and gray-sand user interfaces were amazing! There was one tiny long-distance shot where I noticed a bit of poor 3D rendering, otherwise the movie's effects were perfect. I took my glasses off to rub my eyes while Shuri and Ross were talking, and when I put them back on immediately noticed how great the depth of field was.
Loved this movie overall! As I've said in the Shoutbox, I was really excited to see Winston Duke (M'baku) again after him being great in Person of Interest. I LOVED his line "Speak again and I'll feed you to our CHILDREN! ...just kidding, ha ha, we are vegetarians!"
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Post by ganews on Mar 20, 2018 10:14:39 GMT -5
The museum scene with Killmonger has provoked quite a conservation in the museum community. Plenty of people are justifiably defensive about the fact that Western museums have been working through these issues for over 50 years (as many are quick to point out after phrases like "provoked quite a conservation in the museum community"), others are varying degrees of understanding about the necessary brevity of the scene. Generally it's a very socially-conscious group of people in the profession.
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Post by LazBro on Apr 1, 2018 9:34:41 GMT -5
It was fine. I'm surprised it's being held up as the best MCU movie, because it didn't feel significantly different from the others to me. Or at least the others I've seen, which admittedly is far less than half of them. I liked Shuri. She was the only character who was any fun. Except for that one vegetarian joke from M'Baku, everything else was so serious all the time. Killmonger was well played (really well played, actually) but blandly written. I just can't seem to get into the villains of any of these movies. Martin Freeman with an American accent is a travesty. They should have just let him keep his accent.
And oh god that trailer for Infinity War that played before my showing ... is there anything more boring than Thanos? I mean now that Ronan is dead?
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Post by Celebith on Apr 1, 2018 13:04:43 GMT -5
It was fine. I'm surprised it's being held up as the best MCU movie, because it didn't feel significantly different from the others to me. Or at least the others I've seen, which admittedly is far less than half of them. I liked Shuri. She was the only character who was any fun. Except for that one vegetarian joke from M'Baku, everything else was so serious all the time. Killmonger was well played (really well played, actually) but blandly written. I just can't seem to get into the villains of any of these movies. Martin Freeman with an American accent is a travesty. They should have just let him keep his accent. The unpopular film opinions thread is over here. A lot of the praise is because Killmonger was a better / more sympathetic villain - a more resonant Magneto, and although there were big stakes, it didn't feel as much 'fate of the world'ish as a lot of the MCU. It seems that the smaller the stakes, the better the movie. |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Apr 2, 2018 7:08:21 GMT -5
A lot of the praise is because Killmonger was a better / more sympathetic villain - a more resonant Magneto, and although there were big stakes, it didn't feel as much 'fate of the world'ish as a lot of the MCU. It seems that the smaller the stakes, the better the movie. -rewatches Infinity War trailer- Well, shit.... ...um, at least Mickey Rourke isn't in this one? |
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Post by Celebith on Apr 2, 2018 9:49:58 GMT -5
A lot of the praise is because Killmonger was a better / more sympathetic villain - a more resonant Magneto, and although there were big stakes, it didn't feel as much 'fate of the world'ish as a lot of the MCU. It seems that the smaller the stakes, the better the movie. -rewatches Infinity War trailer- Well, shit.... ...um, at least Mickey Rourke isn't in this one? I always avoid trailers / info about any movie I plan to see - even casting info can ruin some good plot twists (hello, [REDACTED]!), but in general, the Captain America movies have been better than the Avengers movies, so if this is a Cap movie, it will be good, but if it's an Avengers movie.... another Age of Ultron? I mean, none of them were bad, and even Winter Soldier was pretty 'high stakes', but the best parts of the movie had nothing to do with them. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 12, 2018 20:48:06 GMT -5
A lot of the praise is because Killmonger was a better / more sympathetic villain - a more resonant Magneto, and although there were big stakes, it didn't feel as much 'fate of the world'ish as a lot of the MCU. It seems that the smaller the stakes, the better the movie. -rewatches Infinity War trailer- Well, shit.... ...um, at least Mickey Rourke isn't in this one? No one I know is even slightly interested in the villain or even the stakes of the Infinity Wars movie. The tone I get from my friends is "blah blah, destroy half the universe, blah blah..... I wonder if Tony will get to go to Wakanda? How will Thor and the Guardians of the Galaxy get along? Is Captain America going to die??" People seem way more interested in the new character interactions and whether their favorite character will die. The plot elements (villain/motivations) that trigger those things aren't really of interest to people. |
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Post by Sanziana on May 5, 2018 8:01:49 GMT -5
I loved this immensely. It is up there among one of my favourite Marvel movies. Loved Lupita Nyong'o and Danai Gurira so so much. Also Michael B Jordan has one hell of a timing, the wassup moment was gold. Also it felt a lot more relevant and vital than any other Marvel.
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