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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 4, 2018 16:11:57 GMT -5
Ahoy all! I’m reading Salman Rushdie’s Two Years, Eight Months, & Twenty-Eight Nights this month and a few of you seemed interested in joining in. I’ve made a start and am enjoying it so far. While it gets its start with ibn Rushd in medieval Andalusia, it flows from there to New York. Erudite, episodic (but very interlinked), full of references anyone pop culture-savvy in the early 2010s will get. A pretty good fit for this forum, with the added fact that the AVC’s original review of the book constituted a greatest blunder.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Apr 4, 2018 21:47:46 GMT -5
Ahoy all! I’m reading Salman Rushdie’s Two Years, Eight Months, & Twenty-Eight Nights this month and a few of you seemed interested in joining in. I’ve made a start and am enjoying it so far. While it gets its start with ibn Rushd in medieval Andalusia, it flows from there to New York. Erudite, episodic (but very interlinked), full of references anyone pop culture-savvy in the early 2010s will get. A pretty good fit for this forum, with the added fact that the AVC’s original review of the book constituted a greatest blunder.I'm going to try to check out a copy of the book from the library tomorrow, so I shall likely be joining in with my thoughts soonish.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 6, 2018 2:09:40 GMT -5
I'll see if I can find it this weekend.
Edit: I just clicked through and started to read the review. Now, I haven't even read this novel and know nothing about it, but the first paragraph of that review is awful. I will be able to assess the rest of the review after I read the book. But wow. The opening line is, "Genre fiction has always been poking around the mainstream, but now more than ever it’s enjoying unprecedented success". Whoa. Not even sure I would use that as a placeholder opening when I had writer's block and couldn't think of how to open my essay.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 6, 2018 15:50:28 GMT -5
Desert Dweller There’s some good vintage erudite roasting in the comments (my favorite bit of the review is where he calls thinks the standard description of jinni is some over-the-top Rushdie-ism).
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Apr 6, 2018 16:49:15 GMT -5
What's weird about the hyper-critical review of the book on the AV Club was that this was at a time where the AV Club basically just gave everything by an author of anywhere near Rushdie's prominence an A by default. Like when they gave that shitty Murakami novel Colorless Tsukuru Tazaki and His Years of Pilgrimage an A or when they gave David Mitchell's kinda average and generic The Bone Clocks an A.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 6, 2018 21:32:38 GMT -5
Desert Dweller There’s some good vintage erudite roasting in the comments (my favorite bit of the review is where he calls thinks the standard description of jinni is some over-the-top Rushdie-ism). Just clicked it open again. Read the second paragraph that actually describes the plot. Before I read those comments you mention, I have to assume at least one of them pointed out that this reviewer doesn't seem to understand the literary difference between fantasy and magical realism. Being that I have read 3 Rushdie books, I would never call him a fantasy writer. It is also weird that the reviewer seems to believe that Rushdie is just cashing in on some recent trend of fantasy/sci-fi going mainstream. There's several things wrong, there. Jinni being "creatures made of smokeless fire" is something he has a problem with? He thinks 1. This is made up by Rushdie and 2. This is "flashy rhetoric". ? Ahem, Google? "Arabic Mythology - Jinn are beings of flame or air who are capable of assuming human or animal form." Of course, I didn't actually have to google that because I've read 2 versions of "The Arabian Nights", and dozens of novels set in Egypt, Turkey and Persia/Arabia. Kept reading the review. He calls this one "wordy"? It's 304 pages. How "wordy" could it be? And does he think Averroes is fictional? He thinks Ibn Rushd is just Rushdie sneaking his own name into the book? As in, this guy exists for the sake of feeding Rushdie's vanity? WTF? Now reading the comments... ugh, Kinja..... Yes, some excellent comments there, thankfully covering what I just posted and more! Oof, yeah, that is definitely a bad review. I'm not saying the book isn't bad. I haven't read it yet. It might be bad. I've read a bad Rushdie book, so I know it can happen. But, wow... I hate how snobby this sounds, but it isn't really. I don't expect every single person to understand all the forms, structures and allusions in literature. And I don't think people should be prohibited from reading a novel until they do understand all that stuff. However, if someone doesn't understand all of that, they shouldn't be reviewing it for a site whose readers would expect that level of understanding from the reviewer. You can see from the comments that the AV Club readers have an understanding of the context that the reviewer doesn't have. I actually really miss going to the Old Country for the book discussion. The old set of commenters had quite a few people who don't post here who had interesting book-related comments.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 6, 2018 21:43:59 GMT -5
What's weird about the hyper-critical review of the book on the AV Club was that this was at a time where the AV Club basically just gave everything by an author of anywhere near Rushdie's prominence an A by default. Like when they gave that shitty Murakami novel Colorless Tsukuru Tazaki and His Years of Pilgrimage an A or when they gave David Mitchell's kinda average and generic The Bone Clocks an A. It reminded me of when I was much younger and first made a real switch from reading only YA and genre/pulpy novels to "serious literature", but I didn't really have any understanding of the forms and structures of literature. For a couple years everything I read was "good". And that was about it. I feel like those reviews came from people who just didn't do a lot of reading. Or didn't care to seriously analyze what they were reading. (or weren't equipped to do so.) Professional book reviewing is a dying art. It is often easier to find great reviews of novels by readers on Amazon or Goodreads than it is to find them from a professional reviewer on any culture website or big newspaper/magazine. I feel like in-depth book reviewing would be great for podcasting or YouTube reviews, but I haven't found any I like.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 7, 2018 14:39:39 GMT -5
Kept reading the review. He calls this one "wordy"? It's 304 pages. How "wordy" could it be? And does he think Averroes is fictional? He thinks Ibn Rushd is just Rushdie sneaking his own name into the book? As in, this guy exists for the sake of feeding Rushdie's vanity? WTF? I don’t think that guy ever reviewed anything for the AVC ever again, either. But you can totally have a super-wordy, dense short book. Where I am now in Two Years &c. is actually a bit like that—it’s the most fully-fantastic bit so far (not very spoilery spoiler follows), a trip to Mt. Qaf, a mystical mountain realm from Arabic and Persian mythology , and it’s enough of a change of pace and alien enough to me that I actually did need to slow down and really, really think about what was going on. But that’s more a credit to how fluid a read this book is—I’ve found it very easy to just sit down and start reading, and lose track of time. If I could figure out how to word it right I’d make some kind of hackneyed point about the similarity between historical legends and anecdotes about New Yorkers (so I’m making that point in an oblique way, I guess), but they really do interface well.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 10, 2018 23:45:00 GMT -5
I got the book on Sunday. Have only had time to read about 20 pages so far. Will hopefully have some time to read tomorrow night, since I am not working OT hours tomorrow.
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Apr 20, 2018 0:20:13 GMT -5
Ahoy Rushdie readers. Going on vacation in a couple of days and putting my books together. Trying to read through stuff that's been sitting on my shelves. What should I take? The Moor's Last Sigh or Shalimar the Clown?
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Post by repulsionist on Apr 20, 2018 0:52:59 GMT -5
The Spice Weasel, I know two people who've read Shalimar the Clown recently (the past 4 months). They both enjoyed it. It's about the Punjab, mostly. I read The Moor's Last Sigh some 15 years back. I enjoyed it then. I bid you read Shalimar. Another Shalamar bids you notice what you will experience during your holiday. So, Shalimar!
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Apr 20, 2018 20:53:40 GMT -5
I'm almost finished with the book, and will probably read the last two chapters and post my thoughts on it tomorrow, but first I have a question. Has any philosopher ever written a response to Averroes' magnum opus called The Incoherence of the Incoherence of the Incoherence?
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 25, 2018 22:50:58 GMT -5
Ok. I ended up working way more OT than I thought I was. But, I am now about halfway through the book. I am not working OT tonight or tomorrow, so I am logging off the internet very soon, and hope the finish the book in the next two days.
May have to revise my Goodreads reading goal downwards. Didn't realize I'd be working OT from Feb 1- July 21. (We're allowed to work 12 hours OT per week, and I am taking up that offer because I need the money.)
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 15, 2018 19:22:49 GMT -5
Oh hey, so I finished this book ages ago, but have been really bad about doing write-ups on stuff I've been reading lately. Anyway, I thought it was pretty good. It took me a little while to get into it, and the comedy didn't always land to me, and stuff like "schlubby unremarkable 60 year old dude has sex with an attractive philosopher half his age" is very septuagenarian author dude-esque. But I eventually warmed to it a bit, and came to have some affection for the characters fighting off the evil djinn; the description of Mr. Geronimo's and Dunia's brief relationship was pretty good. I enjoyed it, but a couple of months on, I'm finding it hasn't made much of an impression on me.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 30, 2018 12:55:42 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove Same, honestly, although with me I warmed to it, it got very strange and I got drawn further in, and then the it lost me a bit in places near the end.
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