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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 28, 2018 12:46:55 GMT -5
Yahoo! Answers, I am disappointed, and not in the way people are usually disappointed in you. I bet you can find something on Quora though.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Nov 28, 2018 14:14:51 GMT -5
Yahoo! Answers, I am disappointed, and not in the way people are usually disappointed in you. I bet you can find something on Quora though. You can; I looked there too, and few of the answers make any sort of sense. But I am sticking to Yahoo! Answers, because that is canon.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 8, 2018 22:20:51 GMT -5
All the awards for D’Arcy Carden.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Dec 9, 2018 0:18:05 GMT -5
Doesn't this episode directly contradict the Mindy St. Claire situation? Or is a coke addict 80's businesswoman really the second most moral person of the past 500 years?
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 10, 2018 14:50:55 GMT -5
All the awards for D’Arcy Carden. Seriously, if she doesn't get at least five Emmys for this episode, there ain't no justice. Maybe six, but I wasn't as impressed with Neutral Janet; conversation ends now. Doesn't this episode directly contradict the Mindy St. Claire situation? Or is a coke addict 80's businesswoman really the second most moral person of the past 500 years? Maybe this is another timey-wimey Jeremy Bearimy situation?
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Post by LazBro on Dec 10, 2018 20:41:53 GMT -5
So it was definitely one of the all-time great episodes of The Good Place. I didn't think D'Arcy's Chidi was very good, but the other three were fantastic. A shame the episode didn't offer more lines for Janet-Tahani, and Janet-Jason was *Itlaian chef kiss*
'"Give me a paperclip." Matt, timidly: "What are you going to do with it?"
This episode certainly didn't do anything to diminish my crush on D'Arcy Carden.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 12, 2018 6:58:24 GMT -5
"Janet(s)" might be the best episode this show has ever done. I thought all six of Carden's characters were excellent (if any of her four humans was weaker than the others, it was probably Tahani, whose accent she didn't totally get).
Although it's been clear for a long time that most people probably weren't going to the Good Place upon their deaths, there is something about the fact that it's been over 500 years since the last person got into the Good Place that I find pretty depressing in a way that I don't think the show intended. This isn't really a complaint about the show, because it's mostly me just overthinking it, but I've still been thinking about it all the same. In this latest episode we learned that not only were Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani, and Jason, four humans who enjoyed at least a decent standard of living while on earth, sent to the Bad Place, but also every single victim of the Holocaust, everyone who died in the trench warfare of WWI, everyone who died during the Middle Passage, every indigenous victim of European and American imperialism, every child who died in infancy, everyone victim of famine in the last half millennium, etc, all of those people went to the Bad Place, where they have been subject, not to the devious plans of the first 1.5 Seasons of Michael's fake-Good Place neighborhood, but to actual physical, Divine Comedy-style torture. For centuries; or perhaps, given Jeremy Bearimy time, for tens of thousands of millennia. Which is a kind of depressing thing to be true about the fictional universe of a heartwarming sitcom.
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 13, 2018 0:19:42 GMT -5
Although it's been clear for a long time that most people probably weren't going to the Good Place upon their deaths, there is something about the fact that it's been over 500 years since the last person got into the Good Place that I find pretty depressing in a way that I don't think the show intended. This isn't really a complaint about the show, because it's mostly me just overthinking it, but I've still been thinking about it all the same. In this latest episode we learned that not only were Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani, and Jason, four humans who enjoyed at least a decent standard of living while on earth, sent to the Bad Place, but also every single victim of the Holocaust, everyone who died in the trench warfare of WWI, everyone who died during the Middle Passage, every indigenous victim of European and American imperialism, every child who died in infancy, everyone victim of famine in the last half millennium, etc, all of those people went to the Bad Place, where they have been subject, not to the devious plans of the first 1.5 Seasons of Michael's fake-Good Place neighborhood, but to actual physical, Divine Comedy-style torture. For centuries; or perhaps, given Jeremy Bearimy time, for tens of thousands of millennia. Which is a kind of depressing thing to be true about the fictional universe of a heartwarming sitcom. Don't forget bees with teeth! Seriously though, it would have been nice to show a some getting in and them going, "oh, these were babies! They pretty much always get into the Good Place." Which would be a little less mean-spirited, still demonstrate the flaw of the system and still point fun at the fact that some babies are just terrible. Just an edit to say, I would also hope all of those other groups would get in, but the show has already established that their system doesn't weigh whether you have led a charmed or brutal life, but what you did with it, which I already found flawed from the outset.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 13, 2018 9:53:42 GMT -5
Although it's been clear for a long time that most people probably weren't going to the Good Place upon their deaths, there is something about the fact that it's been over 500 years since the last person got into the Good Place that I find pretty depressing in a way that I don't think the show intended. This isn't really a complaint about the show, because it's mostly me just overthinking it, but I've still been thinking about it all the same. In this latest episode we learned that not only were Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani, and Jason, four humans who enjoyed at least a decent standard of living while on earth, sent to the Bad Place, but also every single victim of the Holocaust, everyone who died in the trench warfare of WWI, everyone who died during the Middle Passage, every indigenous victim of European and American imperialism, every child who died in infancy, everyone victim of famine in the last half millennium, etc, all of those people went to the Bad Place, where they have been subject, not to the devious plans of the first 1.5 Seasons of Michael's fake-Good Place neighborhood, but to actual physical, Divine Comedy-style torture. For centuries; or perhaps, given Jeremy Bearimy time, for tens of thousands of millennia. Which is a kind of depressing thing to be true about the fictional universe of a heartwarming sitcom. Don't forget bees with teeth! Seriously though, it would have been nice to show a some getting in and them going, "oh, these were babies! They pretty much always get into the Good Place." Which would be a little less mean-spirited, still demonstrate the flaw of the system and still point fun at the fact that some babies are just terrible. Just an edit to say, I would also hope all of those other groups would get in, but the show has already established that their system doesn't weigh whether you have led a charmed or brutal life, but what you did with it, which I already found flawed from the outset. Maybe this version of The Good Place is one of those doctrines I never understood where only 144,000 people can be saved and the rest of you, well, better luck... um... never again? ETA: A Google search for "144000 elect" leads to some strange parts of the Web.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Dec 13, 2018 17:37:40 GMT -5
"Janet(s)" might be the best episode this show has ever done. I thought all six of Carden's characters were excellent (if any of her four humans was weaker than the others, it was probably Tahani, whose accent she didn't totally get). Although it's been clear for a long time that most people probably weren't going to the Good Place upon their deaths, there is something about the fact that it's been over 500 years since the last person got into the Good Place that I find pretty depressing in a way that I don't think the show intended. This isn't really a complaint about the show, because it's mostly me just overthinking it, but I've still been thinking about it all the same. In this latest episode we learned that not only were Eleanor, Chidi, Tahani, and Jason, four humans who enjoyed at least a decent standard of living while on earth, sent to the Bad Place, but also every single victim of the Holocaust, everyone who died in the trench warfare of WWI, everyone who died during the Middle Passage, every indigenous victim of European and American imperialism, every child who died in infancy, everyone victim of famine in the last half millennium, etc, all of those people went to the Bad Place, where they have been subject, not to the devious plans of the first 1.5 Seasons of Michael's fake-Good Place neighborhood, but to actual physical, Divine Comedy-style torture. For centuries; or perhaps, given Jeremy Bearimy time, for tens of thousands of millennia. Which is a kind of depressing thing to be true about the fictional universe of a heartwarming sitcom. Michael did say that the Bad Place had hacked the Good Place's system; does that help?
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Post by Hachiman on Dec 13, 2018 19:46:47 GMT -5
ETA: A Google search for "144000 elect" leads to some strange parts of the Web. It really does. Revelations has a lot of weird stuff in it if taken literally.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Dec 13, 2018 19:51:48 GMT -5
Seriously though, it would have been nice to show a some getting in and them going, "oh, these were babies! They pretty much always get into the Good Place." Which would be a little less mean-spirited, still demonstrate the flaw of the system and still point fun at the fact that some babies are just terrible. All babies are godforsaken hellmaws who must have their gaping vacuity sanded away by the rigors of life. Although, the thought of the Good Place being a nursery is pretty funny
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Post by Sanziana on Dec 27, 2018 6:03:04 GMT -5
I love this show as much as the next person, but this season was almost ruined for me by Jason and his brood of half-wits. I just don't understand why a character like him is necessary in a show like this; think how much more interesting another nuanced character would've been.
A big part of why I dislike many American sitcoms is this need for the presence of an imbecile character. I don't get why it is such a popular trope. Is it for the cheap laughs? It's just such a waste.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Dec 27, 2018 11:25:02 GMT -5
Jason is an easily-led idiot who has done some objectively terrible things in his life because he grew up in a bubble that normalized that behavior - but he is still the member of the group with the highest emotional intelligence. He's innately kind and genuinely doesn't want people to be unhappy, and he's very good at recognizing when people are treating one another or themselves in an unkind manner when they themselves do not. Everyone has worth, even if it's hard to see at first. That's the point of his character. He is nuanced.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Dec 27, 2018 12:45:30 GMT -5
I'm actually gonna agree with Sanziana because all the Florida jokes rub me the wrong way, like The Good Place having its cake and eating it too. The show wants to be about empathy and kindness, but so much of the humor is based on these broad "ethnic" stereotypes - oh, haha, he's from Jacksonville, how tacky. It's hard to make a nuanced show about "what we owe to each other" when everyone is a caricature.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 27, 2018 12:50:57 GMT -5
You’re all allowed your feelings, of course, but Michael Shur makes fun of many states, he had an entire show mocking my home state of Indiana,
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 28, 2018 20:42:55 GMT -5
Jason fills an important function, in that everybody's harmful behavior comes from a different, non-malicious place. Eleanor's comes from fear and her notions of independence, Tahani's is from ego, Chidi's from indecision, and Jason's from his upbringing - he simply doesn't know any better. His stupidity is kind of key to that, in that a smarter person would be capable of recognizing the harm they're causing. The show is examining the implications of a binary afterlife judgment system on a variety of types of people who are not necessarily what we would call actually evil, but whose actions nevertheless cause harm.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Jan 7, 2019 11:26:42 GMT -5
I can only hope D'Arcy Carden was not even nominated for "Janet", because TGP did not win at the Golden Globes and Carden should have won every award in every category.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 7, 2019 14:37:24 GMT -5
Somebody at E! is apparently a fan of the show:
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Post by haysoos on Jan 7, 2019 17:33:48 GMT -5
You’re all allowed your feelings, of course, but Michael Shur makes fun of many states, he had an entire show mocking my home state of Indiana, I was just happy when they mentioned not just my province, but my city! Of course, we don't actually have any terrestrial snails anywhere near that size in the province, and as far as I've been able to find there is no Mollusk Foundation.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jan 24, 2019 23:49:11 GMT -5
That was a finale!
Geez, I am so bored with Chidi and Eleanor as a couple.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 25, 2019 10:10:29 GMT -5
That was a finale! Geez, I am so bored with Chidi and Eleanor as a couple. Good thing for you that they aren't going to be one again in the immediate future! Personally I like them but I know you're not alone.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jan 25, 2019 14:43:14 GMT -5
I'm so mad about "Pandemonium" that Simone effectively getting stuffed in the fridge is only, like, my fifth least favorite thing about the episode.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 25, 2019 16:00:50 GMT -5
I'm so mad about "Pandemonium" that SPOILER I feel like that's a really weird thing to get mad about given what it means for any given character on this show.
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Post by patbat on Jan 25, 2019 16:15:35 GMT -5
I'm so mad about "Pandemonium" that Simone effectively getting stuffed in the fridge is only, like, my fifth least favorite thing about the episode. For me it was Janet's speech to Eleanor about the universe being a place of beauty and mystery--like, dude, that is exactly NOT how I would describe the universe as established by the show. The whole point is that it's a bureaucratic clusterfuck at best.I dunno, for me, the longer the show continues, the more I agree with what you said about about it wanting to have its cake and eat it too, and I guess that's why I'm not jazzed about a fourth season. I want to be able to look back on it fondly and it seems like there's mounting evidence suggesting that's not how it's going to shake out in the end.
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Post by King Charles’s Butterfly on Feb 4, 2019 14:35:58 GMT -5
I feel like the big problem with The Good Place is that it’s in the wrong place if you make a diagram of stakes/consequences:
1. Low stakes/low consequences: This is a nice, comfortable place for a lot of sitcoms
2. Low stakes/high consequences: Not very common, and certainly not consistently, but can be good for showing how minor BS spirals out of control in a hilarious way (there are episodes of Seinfeld and 30 Rock that fall under this)
3. High stakes/high consequences: For comedies with a dark/serious edge, and also not typically long-running ones
4. High stakes/low consequences: A lot of TV falls here, actually, though either the high consequences are external to our characters (think procedural dramas, Star Trek/Star Trek: TNG where they warp off to another planet at the end of the episode) or where the humor comes from how the characters get out of a mess (a fair amount of Archer’s here—high-risk plots usually over nothing). You can have good TV here. The problem is that The Good Place is here but all the potential consequences should have lasting effects to our main cast and they…don’t. They do high consequence type stories, but never follow through.
Of course Parks ended up in a similar place, so this isn’t that surprising (and while I haven’t seen Lost it’s been cited as an inspiration, and I gather it ended up disappointing a lot of people too).
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 8, 2019 17:38:07 GMT -5
I'm curious how successful and/or how long they thought the show would actually be. The first season was clearly a tight, almost perfect package. The second season, while frequently feeling like they were making it up as they went along, never, however, felt like it was spinning it's wheels. This season did though. I still enjoy watching the show and there were some definite highs, but it was less satisfying. It almost felt like they started feeling less confident in their decisions and were abandoning threads as soon as it felt like maybe people weren't feeling it. Like, the "Soul Squad" for instance. Did that concept really get a chance to breathe?
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Feb 9, 2019 12:14:31 GMT -5
I'm curious how successful and/or how long they thought the show would actually be. The first season was clearly a tight, almost perfect package. The second season, while frequently feeling like they were making it up as they went along, never, however, felt like it was spinning it's wheels. This season did though. I still enjoy watching the show and there were some definite highs, but it was less satisfying. It almost felt like they started feeling less confident in their decisions and were abandoning threads as soon as it felt like maybe people weren't feeling it. Like, the "Soul Squad" for instance. Did that concept really get a chance to breathe? I actually gotta disagree with you here. I don't think The Good Place has the problem dramas have where they start spinning their wheels after season 3 or so. I think The Good Place has the problem sitcoms have where they lose their edge after season 3 or so. The first two seasons were explicitly about ethics and unjust systems - and at its best, a bit of metafiction about the conventions of the sitcom. The third season is still sorta kinda dealing with those topics, but it's much more of a hangout show than it was in previous seasons.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 9, 2019 13:38:36 GMT -5
I'm curious how successful and/or how long they thought the show would actually be. The first season was clearly a tight, almost perfect package. The second season, while frequently feeling like they were making it up as they went along, never, however, felt like it was spinning it's wheels. This season did though. I still enjoy watching the show and there were some definite highs, but it was less satisfying. It almost felt like they started feeling less confident in their decisions and were abandoning threads as soon as it felt like maybe people weren't feeling it. Like, the "Soul Squad" for instance. Did that concept really get a chance to breathe? I actually gotta disagree with you here. I don't think The Good Place has the problem dramas have where they start spinning their wheels after season 3 or so. I think The Good Place has the problem sitcoms have where they lose their edge after season 3 or so. The first two seasons were explicitly about ethics and unjust systems - and at its best, a bit of metafiction about the conventions of the sitcom. The third season is still sorta kinda dealing with those topics, but it's much more of a hangout show than it was in previous seasons. Both can be true, I think. The issues here feel more similar to a HIMYM, where there was the promise initially of a high concept doing something beyond a standard hangout show. This as opposed to your namesake, where everyone is work BFF’s after 3 years because nobody wants to watch their TV friends fight.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Feb 9, 2019 14:17:42 GMT -5
I actually gotta disagree with you here. I don't think The Good Place has the problem dramas have where they start spinning their wheels after season 3 or so. I think The Good Place has the problem sitcoms have where they lose their edge after season 3 or so. The first two seasons were explicitly about ethics and unjust systems - and at its best, a bit of metafiction about the conventions of the sitcom. The third season is still sorta kinda dealing with those topics, but it's much more of a hangout show than it was in previous seasons. Both can be true, I think. The issues here feel more similar to a HIMYM, where there was the promise initially of a high concept doing something beyond a standard hangout show. This as opposed to your namesake, where everyone is work BFF’s after 3 years because nobody wants to watch their TV friends fight. Right, because I don't think B99 ever had any pretensions of being anything other than a workplace comedy. So, say, Holt becoming friendly with everyone, or Jake and Amy getting married, feel like natural developments that more or less work within the framework of the show. Whereas stuff like Janet becoming more human or the Chileanor thing feels so cheeseball, in a show that I think should be avoiding that sort of TV-friendly sentiment.
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