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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 28, 2019 19:03:29 GMT -5
*I'm quite surprised the entire planet didn't just immediately descend into chaos after half the global population disappears, but everyone really seemed to keep their act together--there are elaborate memorials and support groups and everything. I guess Ant-Man walks past a couple of dilapidated houses, but that seems to be the extent of the damage. Also, if Thanos really did kill half of all "living creatures" shouldn't half the trees and grass and dogs and cats and stuff be gone as well? Didn't really look like it. He did kill off half of the animals too. Or at least they used a dude (maybe Antman maybe Hawkguy...I can't really remember) seeing a bunch of birds flittering around after Hulk snapped his fingers as signification that Hulk's snap had worked. As for plants and stuff I guess Thanos doesn't consider them to be living creatures. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 28, 2019 19:08:19 GMT -5
Large chunks of it was fanservice but damn if it wasn't enjoyable fanservice. I thought we'd get Anthony Hopkins but I guess Rene Russo made more sense for Thor's story. Also I think this is the most characterization that Thor's mom has ever gotten. And I find it kind of funny that Natalie Portman just got a non-speaking role for 5 seconds of screen time. Anyway, having read the comics oh so long ago, I expected everything to return to just the way it was before Thanos, but I hadn't accounted for the fact that human actors grow old and eventually die. A story that goes nowhere over 50 years of installments is fine when characters are just drawings but the real actors are too strongly linked to their roles for the audience to easily accept a recasting. Maybe give it 10 or 20 years before we see teen Iron Man or Red Hulk or Jane Foster, Goddess of Thunder. Really hope we get Kid Loki sometime soon, though. Also I can't tell if the heroes were changing the past or hopping into a parallel universe where they fucked with the time stream, but I'm trying not to think about it too hard. I guess Gamora's running around in her future now? I don't know if Gamora is running around in a future or not. We have no idea what Ironman wished for when he bellowed, "I AM IRONMAN!" and snapped his fingers. For all we know he just dusted everyone who came through time from 2014 or whatever year it was and Gamora '14 got turned to dust with all the space monsters and Mad Titans and stuff. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 28, 2019 19:12:19 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, during Ironman's funeral who was the random young white dude with floofy hair that the camera lingered on after the trio of Scarlet Witch and Falcon and maybe Bucky? It wasn't Spider-Man because he was with Marissa Tomei and the amount of time the camera spent on him seemed to be saying, "Here's a guy you're supposed to know about." Were there random cameos from the Marvel TV shows or something I don't know about via not watching them with any regularity?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 28, 2019 19:31:31 GMT -5
Why, if you just get to make up your own rules, would you open yourself to all the questions that just bringing everyone back five years later invites? The reason within the movie is that just turning back the clock to five years ago would wink Tony's kid out of existence. No, I understand the in-movie reason. Just as a story telling choice, it seems like this will lead to a MarvelFlix-esque thing where everyone is waaaaay too nonchalant about what happened. Like, who is letting their kids go on this European school trip in Far From Home? |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 28, 2019 19:35:38 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, during Ironman's funeral who was the random young white dude with floofy hair that the camera lingered on after the trio of Scarlet Witch and Falcon and maybe Bucky? It wasn't Spider-Man because he was with Marissa Tomei and the amount of time the camera spent on him seemed to be saying, "Here's a guy you're supposed to know about." Were there random cameos from the Marvel TV shows or something I don't know about via not watching them with any regularity? Apparently he was the kid Tony hung around with in Iron Man 3. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 28, 2019 19:48:51 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, during Ironman's funeral who was the random young white dude with floofy hair that the camera lingered on after the trio of Scarlet Witch and Falcon and maybe Bucky? It wasn't Spider-Man because he was with Marissa Tomei and the amount of time the camera spent on him seemed to be saying, "Here's a guy you're supposed to know about." Were there random cameos from the Marvel TV shows or something I don't know about via not watching them with any regularity? Apparently he was the kid Tony hung around with in Iron Man 3. I wonder if there's some cut scene that will appear as a DVD extra where Tony interacts with that kid to provide some context for him being at his funeral. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 28, 2019 19:58:42 GMT -5
Apropos of nothing, during Ironman's funeral who was the random young white dude with floofy hair that the camera lingered on after the trio of Scarlet Witch and Falcon and maybe Bucky? It wasn't Spider-Man because he was with Marissa Tomei and the amount of time the camera spent on him seemed to be saying, "Here's a guy you're supposed to know about." Were there random cameos from the Marvel TV shows or something I don't know about via not watching them with any regularity? Apparently he was the kid Tony hung around with in Iron Man 3. Oooooooooh |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Apr 28, 2019 20:32:41 GMT -5
OK, so past Nebula comes to the present and then using the equipment to bring the whole Thanos crew to the present, even though no one in the crew has Pym particles (unless, I guess Thanos is able to get some between the time past Nebula leaves and then summons the crew, which I will accept is a possibility, since we don't know how much time passed for past Thanos while waiting to be summoned to the present, and I guess that Pym particles might exist elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, but I digress). But then Thanos and his crew are wiped out when Tony snaps. Doesn't this mean there is no Thanos in the past to wipe everyone out? Was a second Thanos (and every member of his crew) created in the past when he came to the present? I get the poetic justice of having Thanos and his crew turned to dust, but in the boundaries of what they were trying to do with time travel, Tony's snap should have sent Thanos and crew back to the past and wiped out their memories of the future.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 28, 2019 21:00:13 GMT -5
OK, so past Nebula comes to the present and then using the equipment to bring the whole Thanos crew to the present, even though no one in the crew has Pym particles (unless, I guess Thanos is able to get some between the time past Nebula leaves and then summons the crew, which I will accept is a possibility, since we don't know how much time passed for past Thanos while waiting to be summoned to the present, and I guess that Pym particles might exist elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, but I digress). But then Thanos and his crew are wiped out when Tony snaps. Doesn't this mean there is no Thanos in the past to wipe everyone out? Was a second Thanos (and every member of his crew) created in the past when he came to the present? I get the poetic justice of having Thanos and his crew turned to dust, but in the boundaries of what they were trying to do with time travel, Tony's snap should have sent Thanos and crew back to the past and wiped out their memories of the future. As I said above, MCU's version of time travel means you can't go to the past to change the present. The Thanos that invades earth in Endgame is from an alternate timeline. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 28, 2019 21:04:44 GMT -5
OK, so past Nebula comes to the present and then using the equipment to bring the whole Thanos crew to the present, even though no one in the crew has Pym particles (unless, I guess Thanos is able to get some between the time past Nebula leaves and then summons the crew, which I will accept is a possibility, since we don't know how much time passed for past Thanos while waiting to be summoned to the present, and I guess that Pym particles might exist elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, but I digress). But then Thanos and his crew are wiped out when Tony snaps. Doesn't this mean there is no Thanos in the past to wipe everyone out? Was a second Thanos (and every member of his crew) created in the past when he came to the present? I get the poetic justice of having Thanos and his crew turned to dust, but in the boundaries of what they were trying to do with time travel, Tony's snap should have sent Thanos and crew back to the past and wiped out their memories of the future. Maybe that's what Tony's snap did do and it just manifested itself through having the past versions of Thaons & Co. turn to dust in the year 2023 (because the Marvel universe is now set in the near future) and even if the snap did kill off Thanos '14 in 2023 when Captain America went back in time to return all the stones it would have rectified the timeline so that Thanos '14 would have never found out about what was happening in 2023 and would get all the stones as usual to snap everyone out of existence and then get decapitated a couple months later in 2018. As for the ability to get Pym Particles I assume that since Thanos is a space monster with robots and space ships and things of that ilk he was able to either reverse engineer Pym Particles from the time compass deal he got from Modern Times Nebula or already had some shrink ray technology on hand. |
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Post by oppy all along on Apr 28, 2019 23:14:48 GMT -5
There is a lot to say about Captain America, so let's start from the top.
Captain America is Worthy
After long establishing that Mjolnir can only be lifted by a warrior who is truly worthy, and that many truly heroic characters can't lift it, Mjolnir was lifted like a champ by America's Arse. There are a lot of theories about this. The most popular one seems to be that he didn't lift Mjolnir in Age of Ultron out of politeness and humility. I disagree. The theory that Captain America was always worthy hinges on his true heroism, when in Thor: Ragnarok we see that Hela is able to lift the hammer and was its previous wielder. She used Mjolnir as the lead on a bloody campaign to bring the Nine Realms under the dominion of Asgard. This was not particularly heroic, clearly.
Mjolnir judges you on whether you are worthy as a warrior, not as a hero. This is why many of the truly heroic Avengers are unable to lift it. Iron Man (more brains than brawn, looking to solve a problem rather than smash through it), Hawkeye (fighting for that 9-5 and just wants to get back to his secret family), Hulk (doesn't have the control), Bruce Banner (doesn't have any of the components of warrior-ness). Captain America gets close, but I think his nobility and purity get in the way. He's almost there but at the end of the day he's a boy scout, and a warrior needs more mongrel in them to truly relish smashing their enemy in the face with a magic hammer.
Fast-forward to Avengers: Endgame and we see it's a different Cap. He lost and the universe lost and he's pretty clearly not coping at all. He still has nobility and purity, but I think new Captain America has that "Whatever it takes" mentality. This Cap may have let Vision sacrifice himself. They go back on a crazy time heist, he sees Peggy Carter again and ditches her for the good of his reality, they undo the snap... and after all fucking that, Thanos is back again. Captain America was pushed far enough that he's finally ready. And then he wields Mjolnir and starts smashing Thanos in the face with it because there is only so far you can push a boy scout.
Captain America is Happy
Captain America finally got to dance with Peggy. There's not a lot to say on this one, it's just really nice. Ever since Captain America, he has placed the world on his broad Chris Evans-like shoulders. And after overcoming the greatest trial that he and the universe have every had to face and taking upon himself the additional responsibility of travelling back in the alternate realities to return the Infinity Stones and Mjolnir (even when he's planning his retirement Captain America still takes on extra work), Captain America lays down his burden. That's a common arc between the trinity; Iron Man, Thor, and Captain America all in one way or another gracefully transition into retirement. More on that later maybe. Captain America deserves a break guys. *sniffles*
Captain America is a Fucking Hero
Captain America is always going to be that guy. He faces a space army ten times greater than the one that laid waste to Earth eleven years ago. He is beaten down, his shield is broken, and he is alone. Thanos and his crew of super-powered badarses are bearing down on him. Captain America staggers to his feet and tightens the straps on the half of his shield that is still attached to his arm. He will stand alone against the forces of Hell and say "No, you move." But he will never be alone. His example is so noble and so god-damned heroic that people will inevitably be inspired by him. They will see him standing there and they will rise. They will pour out of portals from every corner of the MCU to stand behind Captain America because he will not give up on you and you will not give up on Captain America.
And then, "Avengers, assemble."
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2019 23:53:48 GMT -5
OK, so past Nebula comes to the present and then using the equipment to bring the whole Thanos crew to the present, even though no one in the crew has Pym particles (unless, I guess Thanos is able to get some between the time past Nebula leaves and then summons the crew, which I will accept is a possibility, since we don't know how much time passed for past Thanos while waiting to be summoned to the present, and I guess that Pym particles might exist elsewhere in the galaxy/universe, but I digress). But then Thanos and his crew are wiped out when Tony snaps. Doesn't this mean there is no Thanos in the past to wipe everyone out? Was a second Thanos (and every member of his crew) created in the past when he came to the present? I get the poetic justice of having Thanos and his crew turned to dust, but in the boundaries of what they were trying to do with time travel, Tony's snap should have sent Thanos and crew back to the past and wiped out their memories of the future. Maybe that's what Tony's snap did do and it just manifested itself through having the past versions of Thaons & Co. turn to dust in the year 2023 (because the Marvel universe is now set in the near future) and even if the snap did kill off Thanos '14 in 2023 when Captain America went back in time to return all the stones it would have rectified the timeline so that Thanos '14 would have never found out about what was happening in 2023 and would get all the stones as usual to snap everyone out of existence and then get decapitated a couple months later in 2018. As for the ability to get Pym Particles I assume that since Thanos is a space monster with robots and space ships and things of that ilk he was able to either reverse engineer Pym Particles from the time compass deal he got from Modern Times Nebula or already had some shrink ray technology on hand. They specifically showed Thanos getting the vial of Pym Particles from Nebula before making the switch with still-evil Nebula, so yeah, I'd assume he or one of his goons figured out how to copy them in the meantime. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 29, 2019 0:25:48 GMT -5
How likely is it that Chunky Thor exists as a condition of Chris Hemsworth agreeing to continue with the role? "Look, I'll keep being Thor after Endgame, but I'm getting really tired of eating blanched chicken breasts and sweet potatoes and living in the gym. You gotta let the character become a fat slob okay?"
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 29, 2019 0:48:20 GMT -5
I really liked it. It went places I didn't think it would go. I loved the opening of them just deciding fuck it we'll kill Thanos and that's what they did, by golly. Lots of misty-eyed moments: Hawkeye's family at the beginning (gasps from the crowd), Nat, Steve at the end. A well-deserved victory lap, a last hurrah with these characters, giving each of them their own moment. Really good crowd. I lost my shit when Cap got Mjolnir. Oh so many time paradox questions though, yeah. The thing that oddly enough got me to tear up the most was when a CGI raccoon sat down on the steps of a space ship and tenderly held a previously evil android/robot/whatever's hand. |
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Post by Tellyfier on Apr 29, 2019 4:16:09 GMT -5
Oh well, this is going to be fun but I have to get it out there, and here is the least unsafe place on the internet to do so:
I enjoyed Infintiy War a lot and really wanted to love Endgame but about 90 minutes in I couldn't deny it anymore: Nope this one doesn't work for me. At all.
Time Travel Scavenger Hunt:
Yeah this was surely to go wrong and thus there wouldn't be a climatic battle with Thanos. Throwing comedic or dramatic mishaps/coincidences (Hulk hate stairs!) did just unnnecessarily prolong this already boring part.
But hey Iron Man's dad just happened to wander in at the exact right time so he gets to chat a bit with him.
It's not just the time travel scavenger hunt, come to think of it the movie depends on coincidences so much. Or am I just not versed well enough and there was a particular reason Nebula got that exact email from the future about exactly that situation to her brain?
Which brings us to Doppelgänger from the past Nebula:
Like, the whole final battle depends on the heroes holding idiot balls there for a good amount of time. One could have simply asked "Where's Nebula" when Nebula is not on the screen. But I guess it's ok, these poor heros have never dealt with betrayals, back-stabbing or an evil Doppelgänger so it's only natural the let her wander off and do whatever when they fidget around with the infinity stones.
The final battle:
Started out good with everybody coming back and kicking ass but then even glove-less Thanos is hard to even subdue for a few seconds but let's do those "all heroes work together to maybe subdue Thanos for a few seconds" fight scenes some more because we didn't have enough of that yet. And in the end he even gets to sit down and muse about it all before turning into non-existance. Are you kidding me? In the words of Geena Davis from The Long Kiss Goodnight, such a guy needs to "Die Screaming, motherfucker!"
Thanos turned out to be a lame villain anyway, they tried to make him into this tormented figure but by this movie it showed that was all for naught. He's just a big bully who would rather destroy all his toys than let anybode else play with it.
Stray observations:
Dr. Hulkster was fun for about 5 minutes. Dr. Hulkster Mark Ruffalo is not as fun and charming as regular Mark Ruffalo and Dr. Hulkster is nowhere near as fun as regular Hulk. Those 5 seconds of regular Hulk from 2012 where the best thing in the movie.
I think they couldn't find the right tone with Ant-Man. They had this somewhat serious movie but also wanted funny Ant-Man in it which resulted in everybody calling him an idiot, even though he kickstarted the whole plot. Give a little respect to the guy who found the only chance to sort this out, even if he's a goof.
Still, I wouldn't say I didn't have an entertaining evening, there where enough moments in it I liked but overall I'm pretty disappointed. This was the grand finale, and I wished so hard for one, just one inventive idea, just one turn of events you couldn't see coming miles away. Instead it was more of the same old Marvel movie stuff . Granted, a LOT more and everybody seems happy with that so the fault is probably with me for having expectations.
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Post by The Thanksgiving Goblin. on Apr 29, 2019 6:30:08 GMT -5
Nauseating crap.
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2019 6:42:46 GMT -5
Large chunks of it was fanservice but damn if it wasn't enjoyable fanservice. I thought we'd get Anthony Hopkins but I guess Rene Russo made more sense for Thor's story. Also I think this is the most characterization that Thor's mom has ever gotten. And I find it kind of funny that Natalie Portman just got a non-speaking role for 5 seconds of screen time. Anyway, having read the comics oh so long ago, I expected everything to return to just the way it was before Thanos, but I hadn't accounted for the fact that human actors grow old and eventually die. A story that goes nowhere over 50 years of installments is fine when characters are just drawings but the real actors are too strongly linked to their roles for the audience to easily accept a recasting. Maybe give it 10 or 20 years before we see teen Iron Man or Red Hulk or Jane Foster, Goddess of Thunder. Really hope we get Kid Loki sometime soon, though. Also I can't tell if the heroes were changing the past or hopping into a parallel universe where they fucked with the time stream, but I'm trying not to think about it too hard. I guess Gamora's running around in her future now? I'm still not entirely certain about all the logistics, but Banner-Hulk establishes that in the MCU you definitively cannot go back to the past in order to change the present, because altering your own present means that you cease to be the person who went back in time to change the present in the first place. That's how they skirt the grandfather paradox and nip options like "just kill baby Thanos" in the bud. Therefore (I think?) the mere act of time traveling creates a parallel universe. So you could go back and kill a baby Thanos, but the Thanos in your timeline would still exist because he has to exist, because then you wouldn't have been inspired to go back in time in the first place. That's also how they get around stuff like Nebula killing herself without suffering any repercussions; she can only kill a parallel version of herself, because going back in her own timeline would mean that she wouldn't exist to kill herself in the first place. So this is all to say that Gamora is running around in a future, but not her future, because the Gamora in the prime timeline has been dead since 2018. Thanks for this. I know it's said in the movie, but as they also say in the movie, I kept thinking about Time Travel in BTTF terms and most of my questions were along those lines, but this clears many of them up. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2019 6:48:51 GMT -5
The reason within the movie is that just turning back the clock to five years ago would wink Tony's kid out of existence. No, I understand the in-movie reason. Just as a story telling choice, it seems like this will lead to a MarvelFlix-esque thing where everyone is waaaaay too nonchalant about what happened. Like, who is letting their kids go on this European school trip in Far From Home? The whole Far From Home thing is a lingering issue for me too (so Pete's whole school got dusted, and they're just picking up where they left off 5 years ago?). A friend of mine is theorizing that FFH, like Ant Man and Wasp, takes place before IW. It does resolve a lot of questions that way and they can still just not have Stark in the movie on the grounds that he sent Favreau to look after him. Maybe a voice cameo or something. The shot of Peter on the bus at the beginning of IW is him returning from that trip. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2019 7:01:00 GMT -5
I really liked it. It went places I didn't think it would go. I loved the opening of them just deciding fuck it we'll kill Thanos and that's what they did, by golly. Lots of misty-eyed moments: Hawkeye's family at the beginning (gasps from the crowd), Nat, Steve at the end. A well-deserved victory lap, a last hurrah with these characters, giving each of them their own moment. Really good crowd. I lost my shit when Cap got Mjolnir. Oh so many time paradox questions though, yeah. The thing that oddly enough got me to tear up the most was when a CGI raccoon sat down on the steps of a space ship and tenderly held a previously evil android/robot/whatever's hand. That was ridiculously effective. The sense of loss they were able to convey between a CGI animal and a made-up-to-hell robut woman. Plus later when Rocky and Groot are reunited during the final battle. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Apr 29, 2019 7:28:25 GMT -5
The thing that oddly enough got me to tear up the most was when a CGI raccoon sat down on the steps of a space ship and tenderly held a previously evil android/robot/whatever's hand. That was ridiculously effective. The sense of loss they were able to convey between a CGI animal and a made-up-to-hell robut woman. Plus later when Rocky and Groot are reunited during the final battle. A robit woman the CGI animal would have no real reason to be chill with since her to borrow a wrestling term, “face turn” came after he’d left with Thor and Groot on a zany “We gotta get Weapons!!!!” adventure. It was just straight up empathy from a CGI animal which made it hit me harder for some reason. |
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Post by Tellyfier on Apr 29, 2019 8:07:01 GMT -5
I wouldn't go so far as to say that, but I can't really argue against it either. |
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Post by Celebith on Apr 29, 2019 8:14:17 GMT -5
I think they couldn't find the right tone with Ant-Man. They had this somewhat serious movie but also wanted funny Ant-Man in it which resulted in everybody calling him an idiot, even though he kickstarted the whole plot. Give a little respect to the guy who found the only chance to sort this out, even if he's a goof. I'm assuming their attitude towards Scott is mostly left over from Civil War. Half of them randomly fought against him, and the other half just remember him as a goofy reformed catburglar they fought alongside so long ago they barely remember it. Some stuff is too coincidental, but if we're going to buy into Bucky also somehow killing mom and pop Stark, and the fact that Steve and Tony knew who all would be at that post in 1970, it's not that farfetched. |
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Post by Celebith on Apr 29, 2019 8:20:56 GMT -5
What even happened with Agent 13? My daughter thought the whole thing with her and Steve being a thing was 'gross', but the storyline seems to have been tossed aside entirely. Did she even show up in Endgame?
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Post by Tellyfier on Apr 29, 2019 8:21:58 GMT -5
I think they couldn't find the right tone with Ant-Man. They had this somewhat serious movie but also wanted funny Ant-Man in it which resulted in everybody calling him an idiot, even though he kickstarted the whole plot. Give a little respect to the guy who found the only chance to sort this out, even if he's a goof. I'm assuming their attitude towards Scott is mostly left over from Civil War. Half of them randomly fought against him, and the other half just remember him as a goofy reformed catburglar they fought alongside so long ago they barely remember it. Some stuff is too coincidental, but if we're going to buy into Bucky also somehow killing mom and pop Stark, and the fact that Steve and Tony knew who all would be at that post in 1970, it's not that farfetched. They put that bench in the landing zone just to prank him, right? Let's put a bench there and tell him to go eat in the nice scenery, just so we can go "There's an idiot in the landing zone". |
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 8:24:10 GMT -5
There is a lot to say about Captain America, so let's start from the top.
Captain America is Worthy
After long establishing that Mjolnir can only be lifted by a warrior who is truly worthy, and that many truly heroic characters can't lift it, Mjolnir was lifted like a champ by America's Arse. There are a lot of theories about this. The most popular one seems to be that he didn't lift Mjolnir in Age of Ultron out of politeness and humility. I disagree. The theory that Captain America was always worthy hinges on his true heroism, when in Thor: Ragnarok we see that Hela is able to lift the hammer and was its previous wielder. She used Mjolnir as the lead on a bloody campaign to bring the Nine Realms under the dominion of Asgard. This was not particularly heroic, clearly.
Mjolnir judges you on whether you are worthy as a warrior, not as a hero. This is why many of the truly heroic Avengers are unable to lift it. Iron Man (more brains than brawn, looking to solve a problem rather than smash through it), Hawkeye (fighting for that 9-5 and just wants to get back to his secret family), Hulk (doesn't have the control), Bruce Banner (doesn't have any of the components of warrior-ness). Captain America gets close, but I think his nobility and purity get in the way. He's almost there but at the end of the day he's a boy scout, and a warrior needs more mongrel in them to truly relish smashing their enemy in the face with a magic hammer. I dunno, I think the Vikings would have considered killing people and taking their stuff as heroic actions. I think after imprisoning Hela Odin just did a factory reset on Mjolnir and rejiggered the settings to be less murder-y. The thing that oddly enough got me to tear up the most was when a CGI raccoon sat down on the steps of a space ship and tenderly held a previously evil android/robot/whatever's hand. Dammit man, she was clearly a cyborg. |
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Post by sarapen on Apr 29, 2019 8:31:03 GMT -5
What even happened with Agent 13? My daughter thought the whole thing with her and Steve being a thing was 'gross', but the storyline seems to have been tossed aside entirely. Did she even show up in Endgame? I believe they originally had a bigger role for her in Winter Soldier but cut it way back. I guess they just decided to pretend she was never around. Or maybe she was already Steve's granddaughter in the original timeline and the Russos cut her to hide the whole incest thing. |
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Post by Celebith on Apr 29, 2019 8:37:02 GMT -5
I didn't cry during the movie(I do actually cry at TV and Movies, recently cried from a mediocre episode of LOST), but what almost got me was when Happy was telling morgan that he would get all the cheeseburgers she would ever need. That was the most emotional part of the movie for me. There were a few moments in Endgame that made me think 'this is exactly like Season 6 of Lost'. The scenes with Nat and Clint, mostly, but there was that sense of 'it's you!' that Season 6 did so well when the characters 'woke up' to who they really were. I still get a bit choked up thinking about the end of Sun and Jin's arc, and it's why I'll defend the whole season, and series. Maybe neither of these franchises gave us a 'logical' payoff, but the emotional beats are true. Also, one of the local stations was playing Iron Man yesterday morning, so we ended up randomly watching that. I don't think I would have remembered the cheeseburgers otherwise, since the last time I saw it was about a decade ago, but with it fresh on my mind it was pretty tight. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 29, 2019 8:42:35 GMT -5
I'm probably just going to dump random thoughts I had here as I remember them.
Was anyone else at least a little surprised that they went with something as dark as "Tony tries to commit suicide in front of all the other Avengers" within the first 10 minutes of the movie?
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Post by liebkartoffel on Apr 29, 2019 8:49:08 GMT -5
I really liked it. It went places I didn't think it would go. I loved the opening of them just deciding fuck it we'll kill Thanos and that's what they did, by golly. Lots of misty-eyed moments: Hawkeye's family at the beginning (gasps from the crowd), Nat, Steve at the end. A well-deserved victory lap, a last hurrah with these characters, giving each of them their own moment. Really good crowd. I lost my shit when Cap got Mjolnir. Oh so many time paradox questions though, yeah. The thing that oddly enough got me to tear up the most was when a CGI raccoon sat down on the steps of a space ship and tenderly held a previously evil android/robot/whatever's hand. The moment that got me was when Tony and Peter Parker were reunited and Tony just crushes him in a hug while Peter babbles on. They really squeezed a lot of emotional juice out of a relationship that gets maybe 25 minutes of screen time spread across a handful of movies. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Apr 29, 2019 8:50:54 GMT -5
Second random thought: Based on what happened during the time-travel shenanigans second act, my ideal scenario for the Loki series is now "Alternate universe where Loki wins, realizes it isn't that great, begrudgingly becomes hero"
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