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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jun 29, 2022 17:17:56 GMT -5
So far Quordle is my sweet spot for this type of game. Wordle is too easy and the bigger ones are too complicated. This game is perfect for the amount of time I want to spend on a game.
Octordle for me—after a certain point it starts to become a jumble, but there’s an element of strategic choice in getting there—do you trty to solve for something like an _r_ke too early and potentially waste turns and provide only a bit of new information in the other panes, or are you confident that you can do this and move on elsewhere? Sedordle just becomes pure jumble after a certain point—since there are so many panes you get enough letters after a certain amount of scrolling that it’s easy to solve everything as you scroll down and then scroll back up to take care of what you missed. |
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Post by ganews on Jun 29, 2022 21:56:53 GMT -5
I guess the moment has passed on this stuff, but the other day I found out about Evil Wordle and I really like it. The game has the structure of Wordle, but with every successive guess the "target" word changes to fit all previous guesses. There is no right answer; the game continues until it is impossible for the computer to find an alternative to your current guess. Your first guess is going to be five letters eliminated from possibility no matter what. You could start with the same guess every time and play it differently as many times as you want. The trick is to structure your guesses to avoid falling into a series of letter-variant rhymes, or a similar rabbit hole. The game is also good for learning obscure 5-letter-words.
So if you wanted to brag, you would say "I went from '_ _ _ _ _' to an answer in ten guesses" or whatever.
For example, I started with my usual Wordle beginner "roast" and forced the game to a conclusion in six. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 2, 2022 20:43:30 GMT -5
I guess the moment has passed on this stuff, but the other day I found out about Evil Wordle and I really like it. The game has the structure of Wordle, but with every successive guess the "target" word changes to fit all previous guesses. There is no right answer; the game continues until it is impossible for the computer to find an alternative to your current guess. Your first guess is going to be five letters eliminated from possibility no matter what. You could start with the same guess every time and play it differently as many times as you want. The trick is to structure your guesses to avoid falling into a series of letter-variant rhymes, or a similar rabbit hole. The game is also good for learning obscure 5-letter-words.
So if you wanted to brag, you would say "I went from '_ _ _ _ _' to an answer in ten guesses" or whatever.
I took a break from rehearsing just now and tried this. Wanted to establish how well I could do with a computer helping me vs the game's computer. So I pulled up an online scrabble dictionary that lets you add and remove letters and then shows the remaining possibilities.
Used "choir" to start with since that's what I was practicing for. By line 5 I had it to a place where I had the final 4 green letters, and there were only starting letter-variant rhymes remaining. My scrabble dictionary told me there were 8 rhyming words possible. My first 5 guesses had eliminated 5 of the possible starting letters already. Leaving me with 3 possible starting letters, two of which were already contained in the final 4 letters.
So, I put in a new word on line 6 using all three of those letters, and started it with one of two letters that were already contained in the final 4 letters. This told me two crucial bits of info 1. This was not the correct starting letter 2. The only letter choice not already contained in the final 4 letters was also not correct
Therefore, my third option had to be the starting letter.
So, solved this in 7 lines.
The problem with this game is that the answer is almost always going to contain "e". So, I don't find it as fun as even Wordle. And Quordle uses a lot of obscure words already.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 2, 2022 20:45:49 GMT -5
So far Quordle is my sweet spot for this type of game. Wordle is too easy and the bigger ones are too complicated. This game is perfect for the amount of time I want to spend on a game.
Octordle for me—after a certain point it starts to become a jumble, but there’s an element of strategic choice in getting there—do you trty to solve for something like an _r_ke too early and potentially waste turns and provide only a bit of new information in the other panes, or are you confident that you can do this and move on elsewhere? Sedordle just becomes pure jumble after a certain point—since there are so many panes you get enough letters after a certain amount of scrolling that it’s easy to solve everything as you scroll down and then scroll back up to take care of what you missed.
I've been trying Octordle but I find it too easy. I find it easier than Quordle because having 8 panels allows more letters to apply in more places. So, if I get a letter-variant rhyme in one box, I can go solve for other boxes, and those will eventually give me the letter I needed in the first one.
Quordle doesn't really allow you to do that and still have enough guesses left to solve the original one.
Basically, 13 is too many guesses available. I've never failed an Octordle in two months. I fail a Quordle puzzle roughly twice a month.
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Post by ganews on Jul 3, 2022 19:37:16 GMT -5
I guess the moment has passed on this stuff, but the other day I found out about Evil Wordle and I really like it. The game has the structure of Wordle, but with every successive guess the "target" word changes to fit all previous guesses. There is no right answer; the game continues until it is impossible for the computer to find an alternative to your current guess. Your first guess is going to be five letters eliminated from possibility no matter what. You could start with the same guess every time and play it differently as many times as you want. The trick is to structure your guesses to avoid falling into a series of letter-variant rhymes, or a similar rabbit hole. The game is also good for learning obscure 5-letter-words.
So if you wanted to brag, you would say "I went from '_ _ _ _ _' to an answer in ten guesses" or whatever.
I took a break from rehearsing just now and tried this. Wanted to establish how well I could do with a computer helping me vs the game's computer. So I pulled up an online scrabble dictionary that lets you add and remove letters and then shows the remaining possibilities.
Used "choir" to start with since that's what I was practicing for. By line 5 I had it to a place where I had the final 4 green letters, and there were only starting letter-variant rhymes remaining. My scrabble dictionary told me there were 8 rhyming words possible. My first 5 guesses had eliminated 5 of the possible starting letters already. Leaving me with 3 possible starting letters, two of which were already contained in the final 4 letters.
So, I put in a new word on line 6 using all three of those letters, and started it with one of two letters that were already contained in the final 4 letters. This told me two crucial bits of info 1. This was not the correct starting letter 2. The only letter choice not already contained in the final 4 letters was also not correct
Therefore, my third option had to be the starting letter.
So, solved this in 7 lines.
The problem with this game is that the answer is almost always going to contain "e". So, I don't find it as fun as even Wordle. And Quordle uses a lot of obscure words already.
If your first guess contains an e then by definition the final guess will not contain e. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jul 4, 2022 1:10:53 GMT -5
I should note that Evil Wordle as far as I can tell is identical to Absurdle - made by the same guy who brought you adversarial Tetris. (Although probably not intentionally... there's only so many -tle games you can come up without copying someone else. I have come up with an idea for one that no one on the internet has created as far as I can tell, but I am way too stupid to code it.) |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 5, 2022 23:52:08 GMT -5
I took a break from rehearsing just now and tried this. Wanted to establish how well I could do with a computer helping me vs the game's computer. So I pulled up an online scrabble dictionary that lets you add and remove letters and then shows the remaining possibilities.
Used "choir" to start with since that's what I was practicing for. By line 5 I had it to a place where I had the final 4 green letters, and there were only starting letter-variant rhymes remaining. My scrabble dictionary told me there were 8 rhyming words possible. My first 5 guesses had eliminated 5 of the possible starting letters already. Leaving me with 3 possible starting letters, two of which were already contained in the final 4 letters.
So, I put in a new word on line 6 using all three of those letters, and started it with one of two letters that were already contained in the final 4 letters. This told me two crucial bits of info 1. This was not the correct starting letter 2. The only letter choice not already contained in the final 4 letters was also not correct
Therefore, my third option had to be the starting letter.
So, solved this in 7 lines.
The problem with this game is that the answer is almost always going to contain "e". So, I don't find it as fun as even Wordle. And Quordle uses a lot of obscure words already.
If your first guess contains an e then by definition the final guess will not contain e.
Yeah. But then I can solve it in 6 max. I tried several starting words. Never did worse than 7.
Quordle is more fun than this.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 6, 2022 0:09:43 GMT -5
When I complete Wordle in 3 lines I like to pull up the NYT Wordle Bot to see if I beat it.
Such as today, when I solved Wordle in 3 lines with relative ease.
Wordle 381 3/6
⬜⬜⬜🟨⬜
⬜🟩⬜🟨⬜
🟩🟩🟩🟩🟩
I go to the Wordle Bot, and it always snootily tells me I should have started with "crane". Yeah, yeah, I've seen the video on how this gives more info, blah blah. It's average with this word is 3.4. Super, mine is 3.6 using a wide variety of starting words. And it's more fun to start with different words!
Anyway, I go through the Wordle Bot and it assures me that it, too, would have found the correct answer on Line 3, based on my Line 2 guess. And then, on the final page it reveals that Wordle Bot needed.... 5 lines to solve this one.
Here's the kicker, the word it guessed on line 3 had the same final 4 letters. The Wordle Bot got trapped in a letter-variant rhyming series. For some reason the Wordle Bot took the three words available that all ended with those 4 letters, and guessed them in reverse order of their popularity. Maybe the algorithm was trying what LETTERS were used more first? But a human would go for the most common WORD, not most common starting letter.
I understand trying to eliminate letters, but I was already doing that by guessing the 2nd/3rd letter combo and using the most common remaining letter I had in the 4th position. Once I set those parameters, I typed in the most common word I could think of. Voila! Took Wordle Bot two more tries.
To sum up: No, Wordle Bot, you wouldn't have guessed the same Line 3 word as me based on my second word. You had just as much info, but you typed in something else and got trapped in a letter-variant rhyme series.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 12, 2022 9:55:03 GMT -5
So did Heardle just wipe everyone's progress as it became a Spotify property?
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Post by monodrone on Jul 13, 2022 6:12:45 GMT -5
So did Heardle just wipe everyone's progress as it became a Spotify property? it looks like mine have ported over to the new one so I still get to see all my glorious failures laid out in front of me on the stats window. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 16, 2022 18:31:23 GMT -5
Today's Quordle is really silly. Three words that people don't use vs one that is used.
And of course, the one word I've never used in my life is the one I got first.
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Post by monodrone on Jul 20, 2022 4:04:49 GMT -5
Redactle in 5 which would have been 4 if it wasn't for a typo. I think I have to retire from it now, I'll never get one like that again.
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Aug 9, 2022 10:23:01 GMT -5
Not that difficult but I got Framed in 2 today.
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Post by monodrone on Aug 9, 2022 15:13:06 GMT -5
Redactle in 5 which would have been 4 if it wasn't for a typo. I think I have to retire from it now, I'll never get one like that again. I was wrong - I've managed a 4 (reporters without borders) and a 3 (tram) since then but took 377 attempts to work out 'Diphtheria' in between those results for balance. |
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Post by Dellarigg on Aug 9, 2022 16:11:48 GMT -5
The Springsteen Heardle presents zero in the way of challenge to me - zero.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Aug 28, 2022 9:51:38 GMT -5
"While your guess eliminated all possible words but one, there were some other choices that could have been better, such as..."
Shut the fuck up, Wordle Bot.
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Post by Murray the Demonic Skull on Sept 2, 2022 3:42:22 GMT -5
...also the word "gaol" which I think is bullshit.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Sept 2, 2022 9:00:46 GMT -5
...also the word "gaol" which I think is bullshit.
I have protested MANY a Bee on both counts! Stupid Beeatrice with all of her arbitrary refusal of extremely real words!! (Does that ever stop me typing them? No it does not. I don't expect HEGLE to ever be accepted, but GAOL? It might happen!) |
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