Tellyfier
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 18, 2024 13:56:23 GMT -5
I have no idea.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 18, 2024 15:10:57 GMT -5
How much more is to come? Half a million is too low for me, but that might be because as an American, I have to pay for health insurance until I hit 65. Also, I haven't done any kind of conversion between dollars and euros.
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Tellyfier
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 18, 2024 15:35:44 GMT -5
How much more is to come? Half a million is too low for me, but that might be because as an American, I have to pay for health insurance until I hit 65. Also, I haven't done any kind of conversion between dollars and euros. The exchange rate atm is about !:1 but there's always the thing about what's your money worth depending on your region. Yes, the "free" healthcare is a thing that would get... complicated if I go through with it. And about another half milion to come. Edit: And no kids.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Aug 18, 2024 18:47:52 GMT -5
No. Half a Million is not enough to quit my job before age 50. Unless that "more to come" is quite substantial.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 18, 2024 19:31:18 GMT -5
Nope. Most of it would go to retirement funds and investments, but no way would I retire on 500k.
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 19, 2024 4:08:02 GMT -5
Hodor.
But also I'd quit my job the instant I had enough to get by on. I am very much a work to live person and I don't honestly give two figgins about working or getting job satisfaction. I'm lucky enough to have a decent job now and it's fine and pays fine but I'd drop it in a hot second if I could.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 19, 2024 7:30:17 GMT -5
Hodor. But also I'd quit my job the instant I had enough to get by on. I am very much a work to live person and I don't honestly give two figgins about working or getting job satisfaction. I'm lucky enough to have a decent job now and it's fine and pays fine but I'd drop it in a hot second if I could. Oh, I think I am this way, too. I expect I'll retire right around 55. It's just that $500K or even 1 mil isn't enough for me to make that move.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 19, 2024 7:35:06 GMT -5
I'm hoping to retire at 62 when I hit 30 years and I'm fully vested in the pension, but that's assuming that I can float the 2-3 years of health insurance I'll need to. I could see dragging it out to 65. But I'm also in the vanishingly small group of people that has access to a pension.
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 19, 2024 10:27:03 GMT -5
I'm hoping to retire at 62 when I hit 30 years and I'm fully vested in the pension, but that's assuming that I can float the 2-3 years of health insurance I'll need to. I could see dragging it out to 65. But I'm also in the vanishingly small group of people that has access to a pension. I have a pension - several, actually, including about 28% of the Dutch state pension - but I don't think I'll be retiring before 68 or 69 any more, barring a huge windfall. Splitting with my ex cost me a fucking fortune, not just in money but in time.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 19, 2024 10:28:54 GMT -5
I'm hoping to retire at 62 when I hit 30 years and I'm fully vested in the pension, but that's assuming that I can float the 2-3 years of health insurance I'll need to. I could see dragging it out to 65. But I'm also in the vanishingly small group of people that has access to a pension. I have a pension - several, actually, including about 28% of the Dutch state pension - but I don't think I'll be retiring before 68 or 69 any more, barring a huge windfall. Splitting with my ex cost me a fucking fortune, not just in money but in time. Are they more common in Europe? They're nearly extinct in the US, aside from government jobs.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 19, 2024 13:13:07 GMT -5
My job's pretty easy. Even if I did have half a million dollarydoos, or even a million dollarydoos, continuing to do my job isn't much of a burden on me and would lead to me not only having a million dollarydooes, but also a salary, which can be exchanged for *many* peanuts.
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 20, 2024 3:53:51 GMT -5
I have a pension - several, actually, including about 28% of the Dutch state pension - but I don't think I'll be retiring before 68 or 69 any more, barring a huge windfall. Splitting with my ex cost me a fucking fortune, not just in money but in time. Are they more common in Europe? They're nearly extinct in the US, aside from government jobs. Yes, pensions are definitely more prevalent in Europe than the States. Every job I've had in the last twenty or so years has come with a private pension, which the company and employee both contribute to. The amount you contribute can vary depending on the company / plan - when I worked for [REDACTED Famous Fashion Brand] for almost ten years my pension was pretty miserly but both my current job and the year I worked for Netflix I had / have a great pension - the others were somewhere inbetween. Plus the state pension(s) too. ETA - also I'd love to be "pushing" 50.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 20, 2024 6:47:45 GMT -5
Yes, pensions are definitely more prevalent in Europe than the States. Every job I've had in the last twenty or so years has come with a private pension, which the company and employee both contribute to. The amount you contribute can vary depending on the company / plan - when I worked for [REDACTED Famous Fashion Brand] for almost ten years my pension was pretty miserly but both my current job and the year I worked for Netflix I had / have a great pension - the others were somewhere inbetween. I wonder if this is just terminology. Because the way you describe your private pension, it sound more like the 401k plans we have in the states. I contribute money, and sometimes the company also contributes. I don't know if everyone's pension is like this, but when I was at a company that had one (from 2000-2005), the amount in the pension was non-linear. That is, if you worked there 10 years, your pension was more than double those who worked 5 years, and those that worked 20 years was like 4 times those who there 10 years. It would be good for those who planned to work at the same company for 30 years, but since I have never worked anywhere longer than 10 years, and switching jobs early in my career was one of the factors in my salary being as high as it is, I, personally, have been better off with a 401k than with a pension. And we still do have Social Security in the states. Despite whatever fearmongering is out there, the worst case scenario is I'll probably get 65% of what is currently listed as "promised" based on what was contributed.
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 21, 2024 3:20:44 GMT -5
Ok, now that I'm sober I should clarify some things to maybe swing the pendulum in the other direction ...please?
I would still have healthcare for a reasonable price. At this time it's about 200 euros a month for me. That would maybe even get a little cheaper but I would go out of the somewhat better private insurance to the regular joe version. Some more to pay for some meds and sometimes waiting longer for a doctor's appointment but not a huge deal.
Once I turn 67, I will receive a pension for the 30 years I have worked (as of yet). It's usually very easy to calculate your pension in Germany but due to my "out of the regular pension system"- job it's a fucking complicated mess. It wouldn't be much, I can say it would be somewhere between 500 and 1,000 Euros a month. (tax free at that low rate)
Also I'm not alone in this. The Gal will retire in about two or three years and she will have a really, really good pension. Maybe I shouldn't count on that but we have so much dirt on each other it's very unlikely we will ever split up.
For further context, here's (roughly) our monthly costs:
Rent is 1,300 Euros a month. We got really lucky with this awesome place and we hopefully never have to move out. Usually on the free market we'd talk upwards of 2,000 Euro. Since it's a Genossenschaft (weird german thing) the low rent is guaranteed, just inflation adjustments over time. Water and (partially) heating is included. I also hold 33,333 Euros in shares of the Genossenschaft which brings in 1,333 Euros in interest each year.
We spend around 800-900 Euros a month on food and other groceries (including cat food). I admit this number could be a tad lower but I like my wine and refuse to make Carbonara with anything other than Guanciale.
I never owned a car and don't plan to change that, so my transportation costs are 50 Euros a month with the Deutschlandticket. The Gal still has hers, an Opel Adam. Tiny agile car ideal for city traffic and the insurance is ridiculously low so it's nice to have but the Gal has also long said it will be the last car she owns. It gets moved twice a month on average so that's easily done with car sharing or what have you.
About 100 Euros go into internet, streaming services and phones for the both of us. 70 or so Euros for electrical power.
What else... ah yes holidays/vacations: Usually we go to Portugal for two weeks and to Borkum for one week. All in all this comes up roughly to 2,000 to 2,500 Euros per person a year, including the food and drink we buy/consume there.
I think I've said more about my finances than I ever wanted to so let's leave it at that for now.
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 21, 2024 4:21:08 GMT -5
Hodor. But also I'd quit my job the instant I had enough to get by on. I am very much a work to live person and I don't honestly give two figgins about working or getting job satisfaction. I'm lucky enough to have a decent job now and it's fine and pays fine but I'd drop it in a hot second if I could. Oh, I think I am this way, too. I expect I'll retire right around 55. It's just that $500K or even 1 mil isn't enough for me to make that move. Yeah but that's because you want to spent the rest of your life on cruise ships.
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Post by Some Kind of Munster on Aug 24, 2024 14:55:35 GMT -5
Oh, I think I am this way, too. I expect I'll retire right around 55. It's just that $500K or even 1 mil isn't enough for me to make that move. Yeah but that's because you want to spent the rest of your life on cruise ships. On that note, one thing Iâd think about is what are you gonna DO if you retire this early? Like presumably youâd want to fill up some of this newfound free time with hobbies, but most hobbies cost money. God, so much money
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Aug 27, 2024 10:37:42 GMT -5
I dunno -- if you're looking at 500K now and 500K to come at some point, presumably you can work with an investment advisor to make that money work for you. It might be doable! (Although Munster makes a good point that you're going to have a lot more time to fill if you're not working, and that has the potential to raise your cost of living a fair deal...)
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Aug 27, 2024 16:15:21 GMT -5
Ok, now that I'm sober I should clarify some things to maybe swing the pendulum in the other direction ...please? I would still have healthcare for a reasonable price. At this time it's about 200 euros a month for me. That would maybe even get a little cheaper but I would go out of the somewhat better private insurance to the regular joe version. Some more to pay for some meds and sometimes waiting longer for a doctor's appointment but not a huge deal. Once I turn 67, I will receive a pension for the 30 years I have worked (as of yet). It's usually very easy to calculate your pension in Germany but due to my "out of the regular pension system"- job it's a fucking complicated mess. It wouldn't be much, I can say it would be somewhere between 500 and 1,000 Euros a month. (tax free at that low rate) Also I'm not alone in this. The Gal will retire in about two or three years and she will have a really, really good pension. Maybe I shouldn't count on that but we have so much dirt on each other it's very unlikely we will ever split up. For further context, here's (roughly) our monthly costs: Rent is 1,300 Euros a month. We got really lucky with this awesome place and we hopefully never have to move out. Usually on the free market we'd talk upwards of 2,000 Euro. Since it's a Genossenschaft (weird german thing) the low rent is guaranteed, just inflation adjustments over time. Water and (partially) heating is included. I also hold 33,333 Euros in shares of the Genossenschaft which brings in 1,333 Euros in interest each year. We spend around 800-900 Euros a month on food and other groceries (including cat food). I admit this number could be a tad lower but I like my wine and refuse to make Carbonara with anything other than Guanciale. I never owned a car and don't plan to change that, so my transportation costs are 50 Euros a month with the Deutschlandticket. The Gal still has hers, an Opel Adam. Tiny agile car ideal for city traffic and the insurance is ridiculously low so it's nice to have but the Gal has also long said it will be the last car she owns. It gets moved twice a month on average so that's easily done with car sharing or what have you. About 100 Euros go into internet, streaming services and phones for the both of us. 70 or so Euros for electrical power. What else... ah yes holidays/vacations: Usually we go to Portugal for two weeks and to Borkum for one week. All in all this comes up roughly to 2,000 to 2,500 Euros per person a year, including the food and drink we buy/consume there. I think I've said more about my finances than I ever wanted to so let's leave it at that for now. I donât have any idea how to respond to your question if you wonât tell us how many hundreds of euros per month youâre spending on candles.
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Post by William T. Goat, Esq. on Aug 27, 2024 22:23:46 GMT -5
I'm probably never going to be able to retire. I haven't saved up as much as I should for retirement, because I was waiting to finally get into my chosen career. In my mind, the jobs I've had didn't count.
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Tellyfier
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 28, 2024 16:37:51 GMT -5
Ok, now that I'm sober I should clarify some things to maybe swing the pendulum in the other direction ...please? I would still have healthcare for a reasonable price. At this time it's about 200 euros a month for me. That would maybe even get a little cheaper but I would go out of the somewhat better private insurance to the regular joe version. Some more to pay for some meds and sometimes waiting longer for a doctor's appointment but not a huge deal. Once I turn 67, I will receive a pension for the 30 years I have worked (as of yet). It's usually very easy to calculate your pension in Germany but due to my "out of the regular pension system"- job it's a fucking complicated mess. It wouldn't be much, I can say it would be somewhere between 500 and 1,000 Euros a month. (tax free at that low rate) Also I'm not alone in this. The Gal will retire in about two or three years and she will have a really, really good pension. Maybe I shouldn't count on that but we have so much dirt on each other it's very unlikely we will ever split up. For further context, here's (roughly) our monthly costs: Rent is 1,300 Euros a month. We got really lucky with this awesome place and we hopefully never have to move out. Usually on the free market we'd talk upwards of 2,000 Euro. Since it's a Genossenschaft (weird german thing) the low rent is guaranteed, just inflation adjustments over time. Water and (partially) heating is included. I also hold 33,333 Euros in shares of the Genossenschaft which brings in 1,333 Euros in interest each year. We spend around 800-900 Euros a month on food and other groceries (including cat food). I admit this number could be a tad lower but I like my wine and refuse to make Carbonara with anything other than Guanciale. I never owned a car and don't plan to change that, so my transportation costs are 50 Euros a month with the Deutschlandticket. The Gal still has hers, an Opel Adam. Tiny agile car ideal for city traffic and the insurance is ridiculously low so it's nice to have but the Gal has also long said it will be the last car she owns. It gets moved twice a month on average so that's easily done with car sharing or what have you. About 100 Euros go into internet, streaming services and phones for the both of us. 70 or so Euros for electrical power. What else... ah yes holidays/vacations: Usually we go to Portugal for two weeks and to Borkum for one week. All in all this comes up roughly to 2,000 to 2,500 Euros per person a year, including the food and drink we buy/consume there. I think I've said more about my finances than I ever wanted to so let's leave it at that for now. I donât have any idea how to respond to your question if you wonât tell us how many hundreds of euros per month youâre spending on candles. Zero, we have three cats. Candles and cats don't go together.
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 28, 2024 16:41:15 GMT -5
Yeah but that's because you want to spent the rest of your life on cruise ships. On that note, one thing Iâd think about is what are you gonna DO if you retire this early? Like presumably youâd want to fill up some of this newfound free time with hobbies, but most hobbies cost money. God, so much money My hobby is dicking around on the internet, and that's .. not free but very affordable.
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Post by Prole Hole on Aug 29, 2024 12:15:42 GMT -5
On that note, one thing Iâd think about is what are you gonna DO if you retire this early? Like presumably youâd want to fill up some of this newfound free time with hobbies, but most hobbies cost money. God, so much money My hobby is dicking around on the internet, and that's .. not free but very affordable. Have you remembered to factor in you red wine budget though?
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Post by Celebith on Aug 30, 2024 1:27:56 GMT -5
No, but I guess it really depends on what you plan to do with your time when you do retire.
I'll have 3 pensions (2, if I can merge my government civilian pensions), a few 401ks and social security when I retire, but I still plan to work after I do. Current plan is to tend bar for cruises or a 'club med' type place, but as I do more public relations, that may shift towards a hospitality director sort of goal. That being said, tending bar was my favorite job and I'd love to do it for another decade or so before I fully retire.
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Sept 3, 2024 21:37:51 GMT -5
Yes.
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