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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2014 20:25:51 GMT -5
Book readers, is this what happened in the book? (Don't tell me unless you can do so without spoiling anythin'!) Almost exactly. Basically the principal difference is in the books, Olenna and Littlefinger don't use Sansa's necklace, they use her hairnet. I suppose they could have dragged out the mystery longer, but the episode where Joffrey dies shows you Olenna's slight of hand with Sansa's necklace, and you had a lot of alleged newbies saying they'd 'deduced' that Olenna was the killer, so it's probably best to clear it up as soon as possible and then move on. Also I think it's implied in the books that Margaery was always in on it, or at least privy to the plan, yes? It's been a while, maybe I remember it wrong. TV Margaery seems innocent. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 28, 2014 20:35:19 GMT -5
songstarliner Yeah maybe, but as I've said here before, we know way less about Margaery in the books than we do in the TV show. I think they had her innocent here mostly so Olenna had someone to confess to.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Apr 28, 2014 20:55:43 GMT -5
Yep, looks like our mystery is already solved. (Did anyone else kinda think they were gonna draw that out longer?) Book readers, is this what happened in the book? (Don't tell me unless you can do so without spoiling anythin'!) I had a great idea, and here it is: The Game of Thrones Rape Tracker! It has been 0 episodes since our last rape(This time it's over in Camp Cannibal or whatever that is) They kinda didn't deal with that whole Cersei / Jayme thing, did they? Nice deduction on the necklace, Doc! I assume they have no intention of dealing with the rape, since they're having trouble understanding that it WAS one. Just Jesus fuck, please leave Bran's little female friend alone. I don't hold out a lot of hope that she WON'T be assaulted, there in Camp Wannarapealot, but I'll just live in denial for now. Also I am seriously bored with Daenerys. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2014 5:49:14 GMT -5
Wow. I can't believe I was on the right track there.
Also, I'm glad at how quickly the mystery was cleared up. There's enough other stuff on the show stretched out that the last thing they need is a seasonlong mystery thrown in there.
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Post by nowimnothing on Apr 29, 2014 7:14:25 GMT -5
Nice deduction on the necklace, Doc! I assume they have no intention of dealing with the rape, since they're having trouble understanding that it WAS one. Just Jesus fuck, please leave Bran's little female friend alone. I don't hold out a lot of hope that she WON'T be assaulted, there in Camp Wannarapealot, but I'll just live in denial for now. Also I am seriously bored with Daenerys. The scene with Grey Worm and Missandei was nice as was his speech to the slaves. The lack of Strong Belwas as comic relief in her story is not really helping though. We cannot help you with Meera Reed as this is all new to us as well. Her brother was looking quite sickly too. Poor Hodor. With the changes and completely new information, it looks like the tables may be turning on the book readers. It is conceivable that very soon book readers will be complaining to show watchers about spoilers. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2014 9:02:43 GMT -5
Also, I hated Karl, the head mutineer at Craster Keep. And not "Joffrey-hated" him, as in, he's a loathsome villain, but just hated how he's written and presented. He's introduced drinking out of the skull of a kind, fatherly figure character whom he betrayed, soliloquizes about the murders he's committed, and then punctuates his speech by ramming a woman's head against the wall. He's so, ridiculously, cartoonishly over the top; it really seems beneath Game of Thrones. Darth Vader with a Hitler mustache would've been a more subtle character to put in.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 10:23:42 GMT -5
Also, I hated Karl, the head mutineer at Craster Keep. And not "Joffrey-hated" him, as in, he's a loathsome villain, but just hated how he's written and presented. He's introduced drinking out of the skull of a kind, fatherly figure character whom he betrayed, soliloquizes about the murders he's committed, and then punctuates his speech by ramming a woman's head against the wall. He's so, ridiculously, cartoonishly over the top; it really seems beneath Game of Thrones. Darth Vader with a Hitler mustache would've been a more subtle character to put in. I agree with everything here. I just wanted to point out that actor played the not-Charlie-Day scientist in Pacific Rim, which was weird for me to process since I've watched Pacific Rim like a hundred times (I have a ten year old boy.) |
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Post by Tea Rex on Apr 29, 2014 10:25:18 GMT -5
I don't know about everyone else, but I've decided to pretend that last week's rape went the way it did in the books - less rapey, more "Oh, no, not here in the sacred Sept with our dead son watching! Well, okay, then. Lemme just put that penis right in there..." Because otherwise the feels that I get when I see him interact with Tyrion, or save Podrick by sending him off with Brienne, or the loyalty of Brienne towards Jaime, or the fact that he's decided his sister has lost it and so sent the best person he knew after the Stark girls, all of that character development is dead in my heart. BTW, Mr Tea and I are DYING to find a place that sells Jaime's ridiculously awesome jacket. GoT exists in a world full of clothes that would be unwearable in our world, saving that one glorious jacket.  |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2014 10:29:16 GMT -5
Also, I hated Karl, the head mutineer at Craster Keep. And not "Joffrey-hated" him, as in, he's a loathsome villain, but just hated how he's written and presented. He's introduced drinking out of the skull of a kind, fatherly figure character whom he betrayed, soliloquizes about the murders he's committed, and then punctuates his speech by ramming a woman's head against the wall. He's so, ridiculously, cartoonishly over the top; it really seems beneath Game of Thrones. Darth Vader with a Hitler mustache would've been a more subtle character to put in. I agree with everything here. I just wanted to point out that actor played the not-Charlie-Day scientist in Pacific Rim, which was weird for me to process since I've watched Pacific Rim like a hundred times (I have a ten year old boy.) He's also one of Bane's thugs in Dark Knight Rises. Guy can swing an accent, that's for sure. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2014 10:34:19 GMT -5
I don't know about everyone else, but I've decided to pretend that last week's rape went the way it did in the books - less rapey, more "Oh, no, not here in the sacred Sept with our dead son watching! Well, okay, then. Lemme just put that penis right in there..." Because otherwise the feels that I get when I see him interact with Tyrion, or save Podrick by sending him off with Brienne, or the loyalty of Brienne towards Jaime, or the fact that he's decided his sister has lost it and so sent the best person he knew after the Stark girls, all of that character development is dead in my heart. Yeah, they really made it hard with this episode. He was such a badass. As others are saying, given the reaction of the staff of the show to the controversy, it's unlikely we won't see it addressed this year since filming has wrapped and they seemed caught offguard by it. |
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Post by Little Emma on Apr 29, 2014 11:08:37 GMT -5
I don't know about everyone else, but I've decided to pretend that last week's rape went the way it did in the books - less rapey, more "Oh, no, not here in the sacred Sept with our dead son watching! Well, okay, then. Lemme just put that penis right in there..." Because otherwise the feels that I get when I see him interact with Tyrion, or save Podrick by sending him off with Brienne, or the loyalty of Brienne towards Jaime, or the fact that he's decided his sister has lost it and so sent the best person he knew after the Stark girls, all of that character development is dead in my heart. BTW, Mr Tea and I are DYING to find a place that sells Jaime's ridiculously awesome jacket. GoT exists in a world full of clothes that would be unwearable in our world, saving that one glorious jacket. I think I'm doing the same. It's like, I don't want to ignore it for the principle of the matter, but seeing as the creators seem unlikely to address it, I fear it will ruin the whole show if we don't. Ugh, if only the creators all had a unifying vision of what happened. |
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Apr 29, 2014 11:51:04 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to pretend that they both raped Joffrey's corpse.
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Post by 🐍 cahusserole 🐍 on Apr 29, 2014 11:59:09 GMT -5
Also, I hated Karl, the head mutineer at Craster Keep. And not "Joffrey-hated" him, as in, he's a loathsome villain, but just hated how he's written and presented. He's introduced drinking out of the skull of a kind, fatherly figure character whom he betrayed, soliloquizes about the murders he's committed, and then punctuates his speech by ramming a woman's head against the wall. He's so, ridiculously, cartoonishly over the top; it really seems beneath Game of Thrones. Darth Vader with a Hitler mustache would've been a more subtle character to put in. I just cannot stand looking at Burn Gorham's fucking face. I yelled at the screen when he showed up on Sunday. It made me angry that Pacific Rim cast him as Charlie Day's sidekick. I blame Torchwood. |
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Post by pairesta on Apr 29, 2014 12:29:02 GMT -5
Well, I'm going to pretend that they both raped Joffrey's corpse. In the books, it was consensual corpse rape. |
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Post by Tea Rex on Apr 29, 2014 13:33:24 GMT -5
Also, I hated Karl, the head mutineer at Craster Keep. And not "Joffrey-hated" him, as in, he's a loathsome villain, but just hated how he's written and presented. He's introduced drinking out of the skull of a kind, fatherly figure character whom he betrayed, soliloquizes about the murders he's committed, and then punctuates his speech by ramming a woman's head against the wall. He's so, ridiculously, cartoonishly over the top; it really seems beneath Game of Thrones. Darth Vader with a Hitler mustache would've been a more subtle character to put in. I just cannot stand looking at Burn Gorham's fucking face. I yelled at the screen when he showed up on Sunday. It made me angry that Pacific Rim cast him as Charlie Day's sidekick. I blame Torchwood. He sure is good at playing weaselly characters. He played Hindley Earnshaw in the BBC's Tom Hardy version of Wuthering Heights, and did a fantastic job at making me hate him. He's also one of the Initiative heads in Revenge. I assume he must be a lovely fellow in real life, because he always plays baddies and assholes. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 14:58:13 GMT -5
OK so the White Walker's freezifying the babies was new to book people? What were the other prevailing theories? Does this radically impact future storylines?
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Post by nowimnothing on Apr 29, 2014 15:24:59 GMT -5
OK so the White Walker's freezifying the babies was new to book people? What were the other prevailing theories? Does this radically impact future storylines? I don't think so. Since this aired several people have pointed to a minor line in Storm of Swords where one of Craster's wives tells Sam that they are coming for Gilly's baby. Who is coming he asks. His brothers they answer. So the method of transforming is new info, but there is some precedence for not thinking they just ate the babies or something like that. You also have to remember the wight from season one. We knew they could create wights (ice zombies) from dead people (and horses) but this is quite a bit different, especially with the ceremonial air. The other new aspect is what appears to be a palace and royalty? of white walkers. This gives some credence to some particular theories that up until now were shaky at best. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 29, 2014 21:01:42 GMT -5
OK so the White Walker's freezifying the babies was new to book people? What were the other prevailing theories? Does this radically impact future storylines? Honestly, I believe this was more information about the White Walkers than we've gotten in all 5 of the books. So, there's not currently much in the way of future storyline to spoil. I have to assume that GRRM talked this over with the producers. The writers pulling this entire scene out of their asses seems unlikely. So, yeah, it does seem like the show may now be spoiling the books. |
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Apr 30, 2014 8:36:01 GMT -5
I didn't get why the freezified babies was such a big deal. The White Walkers have so far been sporadically-appearing boogeymen; I'm not really engaged with them as the major threat they're supposed to be. I don't really care whether they eat babies or freeze them.
They just haven't really gotten a ton of screen time.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Apr 30, 2014 8:54:02 GMT -5
Yeah I wasn't like OMG WHITE WALKER REVEAL at the ending, I thought it was pretty cool though, just for the scenery and eerie quiet.
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Post by heroboy on Apr 30, 2014 10:44:20 GMT -5
Yeah, in the books, Craster had basically been keeping his family safe by sacrificing his male newborns to the White Walkers. GRRM never explicitly said what was happening to the babies one the White Walkers took them, but it could be inferred they were being used to create either new Walkers or Wights.
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on May 2, 2014 15:37:36 GMT -5
Who the fuck didn't tell me Gay of Thrones was a thing? I've wasted so much time! Gay of Thrones is fairly amusing in small doses. |
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Post by ganews on May 4, 2014 21:32:58 GMT -5
Pretty lame that the Old Country isn't getting screeners anymore. I've got some Hodoring to comment on!
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Post by Little Emma on May 5, 2014 10:38:12 GMT -5
So this episode to me demonstrated why even mild book spoilers are a problem. Because I knew that the whole Night's Watch attacking the mutineers doesn't happen in the books, I wasn't exactly worried when Jon Snow was battling with Karl. This is the one show where they might actually kill off an important character in a scene like that, but they're not going to kill him in a scene that doesn't happen in the books.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2014 10:47:37 GMT -5
So this episode to me demonstrated why even mild book spoilers are a problem. Because I knew that the whole Night's Watch attacking the mutineers doesn't happen in the books, I wasn't exactly worried when Jon Snow was battling with Karl. This is the one show where they might actually kill off an important character in a scene like that, but they're not going to kill him in a scene that doesn't happen in the books. Yes. "Character X makes it to book Y" has completely removed the tension from a few storylines for me. Still very enjoyable, but come on man. |
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Post by Invisible Goat on May 5, 2014 11:37:34 GMT -5
Yeah I hate how spoilers are a joke now. Like saying "SPOILER ALERT" is acceptable as a punchline now. It can legitimately detract from enjoyment of something, GoT especially when you never know what's gonna happen/what is possible. But somehow we're weird for not wanting to know what happens.
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on May 5, 2014 12:33:45 GMT -5
Sooooo guys? I'm...I'm a little bit bored this season. I mean, sure, it was pretty exciting when Joffrey got murdered, but...there's been kindof a lot of shuffling, other than that.
There are a lot of major players - or anyway players that I assume are meant to be major, because they keep showing up - who have basically been wandering around since Season One. Arya and the Crip, anyway. I was psyched because it looked like Crip and Jon Snow were about to hook up and I thought maybe that meant shit was going to start going down, but then...nope.
I guess the assault on Craster's Keep should have been exciting, but I've never really cared about most of Jon Snow's storyline. Flirting with the hot chick was fun for a while, because she was hot, and then also when she shot him a bunch of times that was pretty entertaining, but Snow himself looks constipated almost all the time and that whole storyline is, like, mostly just a bunch of dirty assholes wandering around in furs not liking each other.
It's not like I'm going to give up on GoT - I'm probably in for the long haul here - just that I do sometimes feel like there's a lot of putting pieces in position with this thing. Anyone else feeling a little ennui here and there?
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Post by pairesta on May 5, 2014 13:04:11 GMT -5
Last time I complained about inertia, Joffrey died the next episode.
I said this on the review comments today, but I'm liking this season a lot this year, perhaps the most since season 1. Plot points are introduced and resolved quickly (who killed Joffrey, Karl and the Mutineers, Locke), plus there's new angles like Dorn and the Iron Bank coming into focus with the war done with.
I could just watch Arya and the Hound bicker all day long, so no concerns on that plot point.
Last season, it seemed like everyone was getting kidnapped by different groups of Mysterious Bearded Men and this year at least, it's gone by the wayside, and there's distinctiveness to all the plots that there hasn't been in a while.
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Post by Little Emma on May 5, 2014 15:49:00 GMT -5
I mean, my faves are Margaery and Sansa, so I'm good.
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Post by Arthur Dent on May 5, 2014 16:01:36 GMT -5
I so love the phrase "The last time I complained about inertia, Joffrey died the next episode." And the juxtaposition of your "Another placesetting episode" and "Holy shit" posts.
Dorne and the Iron Bank are helping to keep things a bit fresh, but I'm not enjoying this season as much as 2 or 3, at least so far. The Yara plotline being ignored as much it has is annoying. There are more things that just feel like they're happening without as much weight behind them.
This last episode is bringing the enthusiasm back, though. Not quite as good as the Purple Wedding, but thematically tight and very engaging. (Sword through the mouth!)
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