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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 15, 2014 20:16:24 GMT -5
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jun 15, 2014 21:14:04 GMT -5
TYWIN DIED TAKING A SHIT HAHAHA
Wow that was awesome. Very cathartic at times with a strangely hopeful ending. I was not handling that Hound/Brienne throwdown well. I wouldn't have been able to take losing Brienne.
Did I read that Varys scene right? He jumped on Tyrion's ship so he wouldn't have to deal with the huge cluster**** King's Landing is about to become?
Candidates for Hand of the King? I would think Jaime is ineligible since he's Kingsguard. Maybe Littlefinger tries to worm his way back in?
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 15, 2014 22:47:23 GMT -5
OH THANK GOD Brienne & Arya both made it through another season!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 1:43:04 GMT -5
Random incoherent thoughts because pain pills.
- So, Tyrion just got a bit harder to root for.
- Rickon and Osha are probably just hanging out watching Gendry row in circles.
- Why not offer the wildings citizenship or whatever in exchange for being Nights Watch deputies for a few years?
- Stannis and Mance should be BFFs. Also more Ciarian Hinds plz.
- I hope Tormund stays in the show somehow
- I already fucking hate The Leftovers
- Fan of the Mad Scientist that is doctorin' the Mountain
- Varys was indeed all "fuuuuck this"
- I still need to see the legendary Barristan Selmy actually use that sword
- Aw. Ygritte.
- Everyone that pooped in this episode died
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Post by ganews on Jun 16, 2014 5:50:25 GMT -5
So, a position with the company just opened up for Hand of the King. I understand Ser Pounce is available.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jun 16, 2014 9:13:56 GMT -5
Ugh, Erik Adams
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Post by Little Emma on Jun 16, 2014 10:24:48 GMT -5
TYWIN DIED TAKING A SHIT HAHAHA Wow that was awesome. Very cathartic at times with a strangely hopeful ending. I was not handling that Hound/Brienne throwdown well. I wouldn't have been able to take losing Brienne. Did I read that Varys scene right? He jumped on Tyrion's ship so he wouldn't have to deal with the huge cluster**** King's Landing is about to become? Candidates for Hand of the King? I would think Jaime is ineligible since he's Kingsguard. Maybe Littlefinger tries to worm his way back in? I was just talking about that at work. I'm not sure Tommen/Cersei would appoint Baelish though... but maybe. There really aren't a lot of viable options, are there? All I could think of is maybe Margaery convinces Tommen to have it be her dad, and then because he's useless Margaery will basically control him, but idk. Cersei is still Queen Regent, and I can't imagine her getting on board with that. |
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Jun 16, 2014 11:24:20 GMT -5
Here's what you missed!
- Jon Snow goes North and meets up with Stanis Baratheon, which where did that dude come from?! And they take all the Free Folk prisoner and I guess that fight is over. Deus ex Baratheon.
- Circe is like oh Jaimie, lemme kiss your stump, let's go steady, and he's like whaaaa, and their dad is like ew. And I guess some dude is going to turn The Mountain into like Frankenstein or something.
- Blonde Lady Who Used To Be Naked More chains up her dragons in a tomb, which seems like it goes against her whole thing.
- Bran's homeboy gets killed by Ray Harryhausen, and then a creepy little fairy kills the skeletons, and then an old guy says he's going to give him a jetpack or whatever. So, happy ending!
- Podrick loses the horses, which makes Brienne super cranky
- This was a bad episode to take a shit. (Looks like I was not the first to notice that!)
Great episode, totally dug it, hell yeah.
I also thought Varis was jumping on the ship because fuuuuuck whatever just happened, I'm out of here.
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Jun 16, 2014 11:48:40 GMT -5
Next season on Game of Thrones: everyone is like...
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 16, 2014 11:51:05 GMT -5
Here's what you missed! - Jon Snow goes North and meets up with Stanis Baratheon, which where did that dude come from?! And they take all the Free Folk prisoner and I guess that fight is over. Deus ex Baratheon. - Circe is like oh Jaimie, lemme kiss your stump, let's go steady, and he's like whaaaa, and their dad is like ew. And I guess some dude is going to turn The Mountain into like Frankenstein or something. - Blonde Lady Who Used To Be Naked More chains up her dragons in a tomb, which seems like it goes against her whole thing. - Bran's homeboy gets killed by Ray Harryhausen, and then a creepy little fairy kills the skeletons, and then an old guy says he's going to give him a jetpack or whatever. So, happy ending! - Podrick loses the horses, which makes Brienne super cranky - This was a bad episode to take a shit. (Looks like I was not the first to notice that!) Great episode, totally dug it, hell yeah. I also thought Varis was jumping on the ship because fuuuuuck whatever just happened, I'm out of here. Varys getting on the ship was just the right mix of "oh I must have forgotten something" slapstick and "willing to walk out on in 30 seconds flat if you feel the heat around the corner" pragmatism. |
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Jun 16, 2014 11:56:10 GMT -5
Did I read that Varys scene right? He jumped on Tyrion's ship so he wouldn't have to deal with the huge cluster**** King's Landing is about to become? You know what I love is that this motherfucker bleeped out "fuck". What website are you on , Goatjob?! |
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Post by Baramos on Jun 16, 2014 12:46:30 GMT -5
Just to clarify guys--in the middle ages, the reason arrows were lit at night were to allow for aiming in the dark, like tracer bullets. They allow the archer to correct his trajectory. Not necessarily to make them more deadly or to light things on fire. Hey guys, lookit this motherfucker with his "education" and "knowing interesting things". Let's beat him up! (No but seriously thanks, that is interesting. Makes sense!) Hey, no problem. And you guys can still complain that nobody wears helmets, because sheesh. Nobody on there (who is a named character) wears helmets! I guess I could read back through the thread, but do you guys care about background information on this? I don't mean like, plot-based stuff. Stuff about the little rules that the culture in the universe works on. Though maybe it will spoil stuff you like speculating on? Maybe I should just shut up now. On AV Club I think talking about the Laws of Gods and Men in Westeros count as spoilers because they can inform where the plot can and can't go. |
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Post by Little Emma on Jun 16, 2014 12:53:29 GMT -5
Hey guys, lookit this motherfucker with his "education" and "knowing interesting things". Let's beat him up! (No but seriously thanks, that is interesting. Makes sense!) Hey, no problem. And you guys can still complain that nobody wears helmets, because sheesh. Nobody on there (who is a named character) wears helmets! I guess I could read back through the thread, but do you guys care about background information on this? I don't mean like, plot-based stuff. Stuff about the little rules that the culture in the universe works on. Though maybe it will spoil stuff you like speculating on? Maybe I should just shut up now. You could spoiler tag it and those who don't mind background info could check it out, and those who do can avoid it. In case you don't know how, it's just [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] without the spaces. |
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jun 16, 2014 12:55:25 GMT -5
Did I read that Varys scene right? He jumped on Tyrion's ship so he wouldn't have to deal with the huge cluster**** King's Landing is about to become? You know what I love is that this motherfucker bleeped out "fuck". What website are you on , Goatjob?!That's really weird, I don't remember doing that. I'm usually a foul-mouthed motherfucker. |
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Post by Baramos on Jun 16, 2014 13:24:49 GMT -5
Hey, no problem. And you guys can still complain that nobody wears helmets, because sheesh. Nobody on there (who is a named character) wears helmets! I guess I could read back through the thread, but do you guys care about background information on this? I don't mean like, plot-based stuff. Stuff about the little rules that the culture in the universe works on. Though maybe it will spoil stuff you like speculating on? Maybe I should just shut up now. You could spoiler tag it and those who don't mind background info could check it out, and those who do can avoid it. In case you don't know how, it's just [ spoiler ] [ /spoiler ] without the spaces. Oh, okay. Well, as to whether Jaime can be the Hand of the King: Yeah, he can. Nothing in the Kingsguard vows prevent a Kingsguard from holding the position of Hand of the King. In fact it's been done in the past before the show starts.
The Kingsguard don't have to forsake political titles like knighthood (in fact they traditionally have to be knights to serve, and serve for life, but Joffrey doesn't care), and can be granted new ones. Inherited titles like Lordships, though, are probably out the window, and as they cannot sire heirs moving forward from the day they are appointed to the Kingsguard, whatever they have upon appointment is who they are stuck designating the inheritance of whatever land they already have. Which traditionally they would cede upon being appointed to the Kingsguard to whoever their heir is, as they serve for life (well, they're supposed to). But Hand of the King is a political title/appointment, not an inheritance. In times of war Lord Commanders of the Kingsguard have been appointed Hand of the King, because usually the reason they've been appointed Lord Commander is because they are really good at warfare and strategy in the first place. |
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Post by Tea Rex on Jun 16, 2014 22:22:31 GMT -5
Well, now I'm excited for next season. MAJOR changes. Magic finally coming into play in a big way.
So, what does everyone think of Tyrion finally getting his hands dirty by murdering Shae? I don't care what you think of her, that was cold. I mean, his dad had it coming (and how awesome was that scene?? Charles Dance can make a man taking a shit trying to reason with his son with a crossbow pointed at him look noble), but Shae was scorned and used. Even Tywin was like, "yeah, you killed a whore? Who doesn't?" Even Tyrion considers it murder. This world can break even the best men.
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Post by pairesta on Jun 17, 2014 5:24:44 GMT -5
Good bye(?) Tywin, you magnificent, brittle bastard.
Good bye(?) The Hound. Sucks to see you go but it was inevitable. I really wish you and Brienne could have been besties instead.
The Mountain, WTF are you still doing hanging around.
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Post by pairesta on Jun 17, 2014 5:29:13 GMT -5
So, what does everyone think of Tyrion finally getting his hands dirty by murdering Shae? I don't care what you think of her, that was cold. I mean, his dad had it coming (and how awesome was that scene?? Charles Dance can make a man taking a shit trying to reason with his son with a crossbow pointed at him look noble), but Shae was scorned and used. Even Tywin was like, "yeah, you killed a whore? Who doesn't?" Even Tyrion considers it murder. This world can break even the best men. I was disappointed. There was fairly length debate on Newbies Thread after the Trial episode about what Shae's motives were. scrawler among others was holding down the side that Shae was being blackmailed or threatened (and I agreed), whereas the other side took the "Nah she's just a lying bitch and should DIE" side and welp, looks like Martin and the show were on their side too. Plus I didn't quite understand the entire sequence. Jaime almost seemed like he was setting Tyrion up for something. I can't believe Varys stuck his neck out for Tyrion too. And so Tyrion snuck off to do what, exactly? Plus there is the lingering question Tyrion posed: why was Tywin so willing to have him executed if he knew he didn't poison Joffrey? Or am I reading too much into it? |
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Post by ganews on Jun 17, 2014 5:32:07 GMT -5
Good bye(?) Tywin, you magnificent, brittle bastard. Good bye(?) The Hound. Sucks to see you go but it was inevitable. I really wish you and Brienne could have been besties instead. The Mountain, WTF are you still doing hanging around. The Mountain should be on that train and gone. Sandor and Brienne: can't we all just sit down and talk this out for a minute?! helmets: more importantly, no hats! It's cold up north, put on a hat! |
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Post by pairesta on Jun 17, 2014 6:01:44 GMT -5
I was yelling at my TV in that faceoff. "Nooo please don't fight! You can be friends instead! Don't make me pick a side!"
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 17, 2014 7:11:27 GMT -5
Plus I didn't quite understand the entire sequence. Jaime almost seemed like he was setting Tyrion up for something. I can't believe Varys stuck his neck out for Tyrion too. And so Tyrion snuck off to do what, exactly? Plus there is the lingering question Tyrion posed: why was Tywin so willing to have him executed if he knew he didn't poison Joffrey? Or am I reading too much into it? One review I read talked about it being a night of rebellion for the children. Jaime was rebelling against his father and Cersei. Varys did tell Tyrion that he would remember who saved the city during the Battle of the Blackwater. Also I don't think he has a lot of love for the Lannisters in general. Not a spoiler, but this scene from season one may make more sense now:
I don't think Tywin had much choice. He tried to get Tyrion to take the black. Whether he knew about the plan beforehand or not, he could not really risk war with the Tyrells. Sansa was the best scapegoat, but to let her get away makes the Lannisters look weak, someone has to take the fall, Tyrion taking the black is the next best option. |
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Post by pairesta on Jun 17, 2014 7:22:50 GMT -5
I understand why Jaime did what he did, it's just the scene played differently; he was skittish and coy and there was the whole "Varys is waiting for you and will help you! Just up the stairs there. O! 'Round the corner. Just over there! Over there!"/"Thank you for my life Jaime!" exchange. Tyrion clearly broke from the plan, and went off to do what?
I'm certainly glad Varys helped Tyrion, but it just seemed out of character for him to do so. He's given up everything he's spent his life building to help a doomed man.
Interesting angle on Tywin. So he figured it out, but just decided to make the best of the situation?
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Post by 🔪 silly buns on Jun 17, 2014 7:39:32 GMT -5
I was expecting Tywin to walk around to a window to see where Jaime was telling him to go and see an executioner or something waiting for him.
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Post by Arthur Dent on Jun 17, 2014 10:36:25 GMT -5
So, what does everyone think of Tyrion finally getting his hands dirty by murdering Shae? I don't care what you think of her, that was cold. I mean, his dad had it coming (and how awesome was that scene?? Charles Dance can make a man taking a shit trying to reason with his son with a crossbow pointed at him look noble), but Shae was scorned and used. Even Tywin was like, "yeah, you killed a whore? Who doesn't?" Even Tyrion considers it murder. This world can break even the best men. I was disappointed. There was fairly length debate on Newbies Thread after the Trial episode about what Shae's motives were. scrawler among others was holding down the side that Shae was being blackmailed or threatened (and I agreed), whereas the other side took the "Nah she's just a lying bitch and should DIE" side and welp, looks like Martin and the show were on their side too. Plus I didn't quite understand the entire sequence. Jaime almost seemed like he was setting Tyrion up for something. I can't believe Varys stuck his neck out for Tyrion too. And so Tyrion snuck off to do what, exactly? Plus there is the lingering question Tyrion posed: why was Tywin so willing to have him executed if he knew he didn't poison Joffrey? Or am I reading too much into it? I have yet to see the finale because I was on a trip over the weekend, but hi, Zuko here, book reader. I don't think the show or the novels has that take that you're talking about on Shae at all. Her death is horrifying in either version and is by far Tyrion's darkest moment, and the show characterized her far more sympathetically than the novels did. Shae was definitely forced to to testify against him, but she was also very hurt and pissed at Tyrion, so she is more easy to push towards betrayal. As for banging Tywin, he is the dangerous and powerful person her life is in the hands of right now. I've read that she goes for a knife once she sees the angry Tyrion barging into the room, and I fail to see how anyone could blame her for that. |
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Post by nowimnothing on Jun 17, 2014 10:57:18 GMT -5
I understand why Jaime did what he did, it's just the scene played differently; he was skittish and coy and there was the whole "Varys is waiting for you and will help you! Just up the stairs there. O! 'Round the corner. Just over there! Over there!"/"Thank you for my life Jaime!" exchange. Tyrion clearly broke from the plan, and went off to do what? I'm certainly glad Varys helped Tyrion, but it just seemed out of character for him to do so. He's given up everything he's spent his life building to help a doomed man. Interesting angle on Tywin. So he figured it out, but just decided to make the best of the situation? Varys is just getting out while the getting is good. From the bells he knows someone really important is probably dead and he knows Tyrion was involved due to the scratches on his face. So who are the possibilities? Jaime and Tommen are probably out given what Varys knows about Tyrion. That leaves Cersei or Tywin. If Cersei is dead, Tywin is sure to go on a rampage, killing and torturing anyone in order to find Tyrion. If Tywin is dead who is left to rule? Cersei? If Tyrion had left without killing anyone Cersei would have raged, but Tywin probably would not have put much effort into tracking him down so Varys figured he would be safe enough. The bells changed all that. As far as Tywin's suspicions there is only one other person with the motive and means to poison Joffery and that was a teenage girl. Either way, he has limited options in how to react. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 17, 2014 11:36:29 GMT -5
pairesta To be fair to Martin, his take on Shae was very different to the TV show. She never loved Tyrion she was only with him for the money - like Bronn - but Tyrion deluded himself into thinking the relationship was more than that. She humiliated him at his trial, revealing that she called him 'my giant of Lannister' and other tawdry details. Given how much more sympathetic and guileless show Shae was many book readers speculated that she might have a different fate. But no, and it's a pretty unpleasant moment for Tyrion in both book and show.
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Post by Tea Rex on Jun 17, 2014 11:37:43 GMT -5
I think The Hound is gonna live. Tywin is dead for sure, but the Hound had enough vigor in him to chat up Arya as he begged for death.
That fight between the Hound and Brienne was brutal, though. I was cringing throughout. This show does a good job of showing that sword fighting duels weren't all clang-clang-clang. It was punching, and scrambling, and dirty fighting to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 17, 2014 12:03:06 GMT -5
I think The Hound is gonna live. Tywin is dead for sure, but the Hound had enough vigor in him to chat up Arya as he begged for death. That fight between the Hound and Brienne was brutal, though. I was cringing throughout. This show does a good job of showing that sword fighting duels weren't all clang-clang-clang. It was punching, and scrambling, and dirty fighting to survive. Man I hope he does live, but fractured femur in the middle of nowhere (or, 10 miles from the Eyrie) it kinda troublesome. He may have a pegleg if he shows up eventually. |
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Post by Tea Rex on Jun 17, 2014 12:04:31 GMT -5
I think The Hound is gonna live. Tywin is dead for sure, but the Hound had enough vigor in him to chat up Arya as he begged for death. That fight between the Hound and Brienne was brutal, though. I was cringing throughout. This show does a good job of showing that sword fighting duels weren't all clang-clang-clang. It was punching, and scrambling, and dirty fighting to survive. Man I hope he does live, but fractured femur in the middle of nowhere (or, 10 miles from the Eyrie) it kinda troublesome. He may have a pegleg if he shows up eventually. Hey, real-live people have crawled to safety with worse. Here's hoping he gets to the Eyrie. |
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Post by pairesta on Jun 17, 2014 12:47:39 GMT -5
I think The Hound is gonna live. Tywin is dead for sure, but the Hound had enough vigor in him to chat up Arya as he begged for death. That fight between the Hound and Brienne was brutal, though. I was cringing throughout. This show does a good job of showing that sword fighting duels weren't all clang-clang-clang. It was punching, and scrambling, and dirty fighting to survive. Man I hope he does live, but fractured femur in the middle of nowhere (or, 10 miles from the Eyrie) it kinda troublesome. He may have a pegleg if he shows up eventually. Well, his brother did get FUCKING IMPALED and he still lived-ish. |
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