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Post by rimjobflashmob on Nov 8, 2015 12:20:52 GMT -5
Seeing even more aerial combat in-atmosphere makes me nervous. I want spaceships in space! Somebody didn't play Rogue Squadron growing up. They can do both! |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 8, 2015 14:27:16 GMT -5
Variety tweeted out the new TV spot earlier. It features yet more battle scenes inside a planetary atmosphere. I responded by asking if there are any battles actually in space? Someone replied, "Well, there is a Death Star."
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 8, 2015 16:16:47 GMT -5
Seeing even more aerial combat in-atmosphere makes me nervous. I want spaceships in space! This takes me back to all the “Earth Trek” jokes before STiD’s release. Abrams seems to have a real aversion to setting things in space, even when it looks like designs were very clearly not intended for atmospheric flight (the Enterprise, TIE fighters). Given that a lot of the ice scenes seem to take place over some big, snowed over superstructure it wouldn’t surprise me if they were building the new death star (or whatever) on the planet, either. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Nov 8, 2015 17:40:46 GMT -5
Seeing even more aerial combat in-atmosphere makes me nervous. I want spaceships in space! Somebody didn't play Rogue Squadron growing up. It's kind of JJ's m.o., though: Get spaceship, put it somewhere not space.    |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Nov 8, 2015 19:56:43 GMT -5
Somebody didn't play Rogue Squadron growing up. It's kind of JJ's m.o., though: Get spaceship, put it somewhere not space. You know, it bothered me with Trek, just because it went against the way those ships had always been portrayed. I don't get it as a complaint for Star Wars though. Hell, the best movie in the series has zero space set battles. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 8, 2015 20:50:54 GMT -5
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 8, 2015 21:12:57 GMT -5
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Nov 9, 2015 5:59:02 GMT -5
You know, it bothered me with Trek, just because it went against the way those ships had always been portrayed. I don't get it as a complaint for Star Wars though. Hell, the best movie in the series has zero space set battles. It also didn't include a single spaceship in combat during its long ground assault in the Battle of Hoth. When Luke and company are flying around in an atmosphere, they use snowspeeders we will never see used in space (and while the Empire unloads the big AT-AT elephantine walkers, there's nary a TIE Fighter to back them up.) |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 9, 2015 11:02:45 GMT -5
You know, it bothered me with Trek, just because it went against the way those ships had always been portrayed. I don't get it as a complaint for Star Wars though. Hell, the best movie in the series has zero space set battles. Maybe not a proper battle, but what about the asteroid chase? |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 9, 2015 16:30:33 GMT -5
I realized yesterday that I am working so much in December that in order to see Star Wars on the large format screen in town, I will have to request time off work. And I will have to see it on Saturday night.
This movie is definitely going to be spoiled for me. Ugh.
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Nov 10, 2015 7:50:40 GMT -5
I think it's pretty obvious at this point that Rey is the child of Dexter Jettster and Lumpy
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Post by nowimnothing on Nov 10, 2015 15:21:31 GMT -5
You know, it bothered me with Trek, just because it went against the way those ships had always been portrayed. I don't get it as a complaint for Star Wars though. Hell, the best movie in the series has zero space set battles. It also didn't include a single spaceship in combat during its long ground assault in the Battle of Hoth. When Luke and company are flying around in an atmosphere, they use snowspeeders we will never see used in space (and while the Empire unloads the big AT-AT elephantine walkers, there's nary a TIE Fighter to back them up.) I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. The AT-ATs were the only things they had that could attack without much prep, see Vader's comment about giving the rebels too much warning by dropping out of hyperspace early. Of course that still ignores the obvious advantage anyone in space would have over someone caught in a gravity well. Even with some kind of force shield deflecting laser cannons from orbit, there is little a purely kinetic bombardment could not destroy. Unless you want to capture something intact or alive there is no reason not to just drop rocks on their heads all day long. This leads to thoughts about how comically overpowered the Death Star is. It really would not take much (comparatively) to sterilize the surface of a planet from space. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Nov 10, 2015 15:29:40 GMT -5
It also didn't include a single spaceship in combat during its long ground assault in the Battle of Hoth. When Luke and company are flying around in an atmosphere, they use snowspeeders we will never see used in space (and while the Empire unloads the big AT-AT elephantine walkers, there's nary a TIE Fighter to back them up.) This leads to thoughts about how comically overpowered the Death Star is. It really would not take much (comparatively) to sterilize the surface of a planet from space. Yeah. Dropping a good-sized rock from orbit would do it just fine. Though I guess planetary defense systems are too sophisticated for that. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 10, 2015 20:25:36 GMT -5
It also didn't include a single spaceship in combat during its long ground assault in the Battle of Hoth. When Luke and company are flying around in an atmosphere, they use snowspeeders we will never see used in space (and while the Empire unloads the big AT-AT elephantine walkers, there's nary a TIE Fighter to back them up.) I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. The AT-ATs were the only things they had that could attack without much prep, see Vader's comment about giving the rebels too much warning by dropping out of hyperspace early. Of course that still ignores the obvious advantage anyone in space would have over someone caught in a gravity well. Even with some kind of force shield deflecting laser cannons from orbit, there is little a purely kinetic bombardment could not destroy. Unless you want to capture something intact or alive there is no reason not to just drop rocks on their heads all day long. This leads to thoughts about how comically overpowered the Death Star is. It really would not take much (comparatively) to sterilize the surface of a planet from space. Vader wanted Skywalker alive. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Nov 12, 2015 12:33:52 GMT -5
I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. But we never see them in outer space. If they were space capable, they'd surely be at the Battle of Endor - which suggests they're air-only units. (I'm actually just posting to share this:)  |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Nov 12, 2015 13:34:26 GMT -5
You guys are overthinking this whole ships in atmosphere thing. Very small to medium Star Wars ship is pretty well established as being able to fly in atmosphere. It just seems like a weird thing to get hung up on considering how much better all the battles in the previews look than anything in the prequels.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Nov 12, 2015 13:36:32 GMT -5
I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. But we never see them in outer space. If they were space capable, they'd surely be at the Battle of Endor - which suggests they're air-only units. That's why they're called speeders. If you look at them closely, you'll notice that they use airfoils to turn and brake, and lack the customary glowing engines of all other ships, suggesting they use a propeller or jet engine. All of that requires an atmosphere to function. My biggest question is why Lando Calrissian is a general in ROTJ when all the other pilots have Naval ranks. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Nov 12, 2015 14:40:42 GMT -5
But we never see them in outer space. If they were space capable, they'd surely be at the Battle of Endor - which suggests they're air-only units. That's why they're called speeders. If you look at them closely, you'll notice that they use airfoils to turn and brake, and lack the customary glowing engines of all other ships, suggesting they use a propeller or jet engine. All of that requires an atmosphere to function. My biggest question is why Lando Calrissian is a general in ROTJ when all the other pilots have Naval ranks. Solo was a general. My guess is the pure pilot/ship commanders had purely naval ranks while those that did both didn't. Lando likely ran several missions with the Rebellion between Empire and Jedi (btw do they ever actually say how long Han was in carbonite?) |
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Post by nowimnothing on Nov 12, 2015 14:41:20 GMT -5
I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. But we never see them in outer space. If they were space capable, they'd surely be at the Battle of Endor - which suggests they're air-only units. (I'm actually just posting to share this:) Yeah, I just meant that all the vehicles, air or space had to be adapted to the cold. You would think space vehicles would do well in cold conditions, but ice would still be a problem. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 14:52:14 GMT -5
I always that was due to them icing up. They talk about adapting the snow speeders to the weather conditions which is why they were using Tauntauns for scouting. But we never see them in outer space. If they were space capable, they'd surely be at the Battle of Endor - which suggests they're air-only units. (I'm actually just posting to share this:) I love this. |
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Post by nowimnothing on Nov 12, 2015 14:57:12 GMT -5
That's why they're called speeders. If you look at them closely, you'll notice that they use airfoils to turn and brake, and lack the customary glowing engines of all other ships, suggesting they use a propeller or jet engine. All of that requires an atmosphere to function. My biggest question is why Lando Calrissian is a general in ROTJ when all the other pilots have Naval ranks. Solo was a general. My guess is the pure pilot/ship commanders had purely naval ranks while those that did both didn't. Lando likely ran several missions with the Rebellion between Empire and Jedi (btw do they ever actually say how long Han was in carbonite?) The Battle of Hoth was 3 ABY and the Battle of Endor was 4 ABY, so less than a year. Officially Lando's promotion was for the: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_Taanab |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 12, 2015 17:49:50 GMT -5
You guys are overthinking this whole ships in atmosphere thing. Very small to medium Star Wars ship is pretty well established as being able to fly in atmosphere. It just seems like a weird thing to get hung up on considering how much better all the battles in the previews look than anything in the prequels. I have to admit to a fondness for the opening battle in…whatever the third one was called…because it’s very much a large-budget Star Trek: Deep Space Nine battle that wandered its way into Star Wars. I was always under the impression that Lando basically bought his promotion by donating a lot of money from his Space-Swiss Bank Account to the Rebel Alliance. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 12, 2015 19:07:57 GMT -5
You guys are overthinking this whole ships in atmosphere thing. Very small to medium Star Wars ship is pretty well established as being able to fly in atmosphere. It just seems like a weird thing to get hung up on considering how much better all the battles in the previews look than anything in the prequels. I have to admit to a fondness for the opening battle in…whatever the third one was called…because it’s very much a large-budget Star Trek: Deep Space Nine battle that wandered its way into Star Wars. Agreed. That opening battle (well, up until they crashland in the hangar and things get silly) was, I think, the first time George was able to actually get what was in his head up on screen in a non-embarrassing way, just because the computing power was finally there to support it. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Nov 12, 2015 22:27:40 GMT -5
Solo was a general. My guess is the pure pilot/ship commanders had purely naval ranks while those that did both didn't. Lando likely ran several missions with the Rebellion between Empire and Jedi (btw do they ever actually say how long Han was in carbonite?) The Battle of Hoth was 3 ABY and the Battle of Endor was 4 ABY, so less than a year. Officially Lando's promotion was for the: starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_of_TaanabWait..... So, three years later is when Han finally decides he really needs to go right away to pay back Jabba? THREE YEARS? Wow. No wonder Leia thought that excuse was bullshit. |
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Post by nowimnothing on Nov 13, 2015 6:19:33 GMT -5
I have to admit to a fondness for the opening battle in…whatever the third one was called…because it’s very much a large-budget Star Trek: Deep Space Nine battle that wandered its way into Star Wars. Agreed. That opening battle (well, up until they crashland in the hangar and things get silly) was, I think, the first time George was able to actually get what was in his head up on screen in a non-embarrassing way, just because the computing power was finally there to support it. They did a lot with what they had for the trench run in IV though. Plus it was explained away in a reasonable way with the rebel force being tiny and insignificant (checking wookipedia---- 32 one man ships!) against something 160 kilometers in diameter. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Nov 13, 2015 8:32:28 GMT -5
Wait..... So, three years later is when Han finally decides he really needs to go right away to pay back Jabba? THREE YEARS? Wow. No wonder Leia thought that excuse was bullshit. He decided he finally needed to pay back Jabba because they encountered a bounty hunter just before the events of empire that must've been a close call. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Nov 13, 2015 8:51:00 GMT -5
ABC had a "special preview" last night with a little bit of new footage if anyone wants:
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Post by Generic Poster on Nov 13, 2015 9:07:09 GMT -5
ABC had a "special preview" last night with a little bit of new footage if anyone wants: I don't want to have the fever, but I have the fever. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Nov 13, 2015 9:25:17 GMT -5
ABC had a "special preview" last night with a little bit of new footage if anyone wants: I don't want to have the fever, but I have the fever. Right? I desperately want to re-find the state of 10% vague interest/90% apathy I had before Sith, but I just can't. Fucking Han Solo and X-wings, I can't not be excited. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Nov 13, 2015 9:27:27 GMT -5
Wait..... So, three years later is when Han finally decides he really needs to go right away to pay back Jabba? THREE YEARS? Wow. No wonder Leia thought that excuse was bullshit. He decided he finally needed to pay back Jabba because they encountered a bounty hunter just before the events of empire that must've been a close call. I always figured that scene had been repeating frequently since the Battle of Yavin and Han kept getting guilt-tripped into sticking around for one more mission. |
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