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Post by Powerthirteen on Jul 8, 2015 10:19:11 GMT -5
Was watching some clips from season 1... it's devastating seeing just how far Will as fallen. The guy who said that killing is the ugliest thing in the world has ended up manipulating others into doing just that. It's also depressing to see what Fuller's plans for the next few seasons were. He wanted Lee Pace as Buffalo Bill! And apparently he wanted to diversify the cast more and cast Clarice as a non-white woman, which would have been cool. Where were you reading about Fuller's plans - an interview, or just his Twitter? |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 8, 2015 12:59:50 GMT -5
Hulu, now's your chance to make me hate you slightly less! I wonder if the Audience Network could come in and pick up the series. They did something similar with Damages a few years back. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 8, 2015 15:54:57 GMT -5
Hulu, now's your chance to make me hate you slightly less! I wonder if the Audience Network could come in and pick up the series. They did something similar with Damages a few years back. I hadn't heard about that! That would be most excellent. At this point I'd even take The History Channel slotting it between Gangland and Ancient Aliens. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 8, 2015 18:48:33 GMT -5
Very excited for the next episode. Margolana, here we come! |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 9, 2015 22:14:54 GMT -5
Was watching some clips from season 1... it's devastating seeing just how far Will as fallen. The guy who said that killing is the ugliest thing in the world has ended up manipulating others into doing just that. It's also depressing to see what Fuller's plans for the next few seasons were. He wanted Lee Pace as Buffalo Bill! And apparently he wanted to diversify the cast more and cast Clarice as a non-white woman, which would have been cool. Where were you reading about Fuller's plans - an interview, or just his Twitter? A Facebook Q&A. |
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Post by Carade on Jul 9, 2015 22:41:49 GMT -5
whole lotta homoing happening in this episode of hannibal.
i love it.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 9, 2015 23:15:20 GMT -5
Very excited for the next episode. Margolana, here we come! Margot was so damn gorgeous and adorable in this episode. She and Krysten Ritter ought to star in a Gothic drama together. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 9, 2015 23:25:09 GMT -5
I wish they'd spent a little more time setting up the Alana/Margot subplot, but I get why they just jumped right into it. Hopefully next episode provides a bit more background.
I can't believe they're actually going through with the "Margot harvests her brother's sperm" plot... mostly because we all know how this will have to end.
Am I the only one who suspected that part of the medication Bedelia was giving herself was making her inedible, and that was why Hannibal hadn't killed her yet?
Good episode. Very excited for next week.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 13, 2015 16:29:11 GMT -5
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Post by kitchin on Jul 13, 2015 17:20:00 GMT -5
Surprised nobody seems to think that love scene with Alana and Margot was cheesy. I wouldn't go that far, but I did wonder what expression Katharine Isabelle was going for. To tell you the truth, I don't really understand Hannibal fans. On Breaking Bad, I get it that admiring critics and wonderful commenters were horrified that a bunch of dudebros wanted to be like Heisenberg and hated his somewhat annoying wife. But from admiring critics and wonderful commenters on Hannibal, floored by its artistic accomplishments, there is not a murmur that the dumb "spitting" joke was dumb? Or that the kaleidoscopic lady scene might just possibly be cheesy? I'm worried Hannibal fans have lost the critical edge we had back in Breaking Bad days. Nic Pizzolatto says prestige TV has arisen in contrast to the dumb internet. Before that we had prestige movies in contrast to dumb TV. Before that, dumb movies in contrast to literature. Etc., back to the Greeks. Or, like this: www.nola.com/tv/index.ssf/2013/07/true_detective_writer_nic_pizz_1.htmlHas something happened between Breaking Bad and Hannibal? |
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Post by kitchin on Jul 13, 2015 17:25:06 GMT -5
By the way, I don't subscribe to Pizzo's supply-side dialectics. I think the quality audience embraced cable as soon as it started disgorging tasty chunks, and that drove the whole thing, not disaffected auteurs leaving the film business for TV.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 13, 2015 17:56:21 GMT -5
To tell you the truth, I don't really understand Hannibal fans. Okay. That's cool. And? I'm sure if you go on AVC or many other sites, you'll find people who have issues with certain episodes/storylines/characters on Hannibal, just like you would any other series. Just last week, I saw an AV Clubber who said the most recent episode left them completely cold, save for Gillian Anderson's performance. It's perhaps a bit sweeping to say the 'admiring critics and wonderful commenters' haven't said negative things about the show, or the crude Mason jokes or Alana-Margot's psychedelic sex scene specifically. Hell, I know fans that have actively hated certain episodes, while still loving the show as a whole. As far the comparisons to Breaking Bad and the loss of the critical edge regarding Hannibal fans… what? Some Breaking Bad fans had the sense to be horrified at certain dudebros who idolized Walter White (said dudebros who join a long canon of people who have arguably missed the point to lots of films and TV series), and because of that, suddenly Hannibal fans are less capable of critical consumption, simply because you believe there hasn't been enough or adequate criticism of the show? Certain TV networks have grown more willing to experiment with the medium, with varying results? People continue talking about these efforts, even more online, like this very forum? |
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Post by Carade on Jul 13, 2015 18:05:53 GMT -5
FUCK. JUST RELEASE ALL THE EPISODES ONLINE. FUCK IT. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 13, 2015 18:43:32 GMT -5
Surprised nobody seems to think that love scene with Alana and Margot was cheesy. I wouldn't go that far, but I did wonder what expression Katharine Isabelle was going for. To tell you the truth, I don't really understand Hannibal fans. On Breaking Bad, I get it that admiring critics and wonderful commenters were horrified that a bunch of dudebros wanted to be like Heisenberg and hated his somewhat annoying wife. But from admiring critics and wonderful commenters on Hannibal, floored by its artistic accomplishments, there is not a murmur that the dumb "spitting" joke was dumb? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that the people who do aren't looking hard enough. The spitting joke was dumb. It was also very funny. Mason's a creepy piece of shit, but he's fun to have around because he interrupts all the ponderous philosophy with stuff like that, and the dissonance is incredibly entertaining. We know he's gonna get his comeuppance, so it's enjoyable to watch him gleefully and cluelessly race toward his destruction by pissing off as many people as possible. I don't understand what Hannibal has to do with Breaking Bad, aside from them being (in my opinion) two of the best shows I've ever seen. Your comparison makes no sense. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 13, 2015 19:04:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure I've read posts from fans of Hannibal that criticized aspects of the show, especially since I wrote a few myself around the tail end of last season. I've also read comments praising everything I criticized and complaining about aspects of season 3, which I've found to be a massive improvement. It's not like we're all just shrieking "BRYAN FULLER IS A MAD GENIUS WHO CAN DO NO WRONG!" incessantly while fondling each other's various genitalia.
Although I probably wouldn't be opposed to that, come to think of it, as long as we can all put on wacky sex-kaleidoscope goggles.
What I'm trying to say is that that's an awful lot of generalization and, pardon, but a fair amount of ignorance about the Hannibal commentariat. In my opinion.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 13, 2015 19:45:32 GMT -5
Surprised nobody seems to think that love scene with Alana and Margot was cheesy. I wouldn't go that far, but I did wonder what expression Katharine Isabelle was going for. To tell you the truth, I don't really understand Hannibal fans. On Breaking Bad, I get it that admiring critics and wonderful commenters were horrified that a bunch of dudebros wanted to be like Heisenberg and hated his somewhat annoying wife. But from admiring critics and wonderful commenters on Hannibal, floored by its artistic accomplishments, there is not a murmur that the dumb "spitting" joke was dumb? Just because you don't like something doesn't mean that the people who do aren't looking hard enough. I don't understand what Hannibal has to do with Breaking Bad, aside from them being (in my opinion) two of the best shows I've ever seen. Your comparison makes no sense. Agree 100%, especially on that first sentence, which is crucial. It's fine not to like something. It isn't fine to cast aspersions on people for liking something you don't. |
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Post by kitchin on Jul 14, 2015 7:38:08 GMT -5
Certain TV networks have grown more willing to experiment with the medium, with varying results? People continue talking about these efforts, even more online, like this very forum? That's a really good point. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 14, 2015 8:14:05 GMT -5
I believe I've said something similar elsewhere - I am a person who tends to think critically about things, but sometimes I just want to at least partly shut my brain off and enjoy what I'm watching. I think Hannibal stands up fairly well to critical thinking, I think there's a lot worth talking about, but can't I just watch it and enjoy it and soak in the amazing-looking art pretention? I don't fangirl excessively or think Bryan Fuller can do no wrong, but I just want to watch the pretty yonic kaleidoscope and not worry about whether it was cheesy.
The internet is a blessing for having communities to discuss things we love, but it also encourages this endless feedback cycle, either people get caught up in disparaging everything or praising everything with not much in between.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 14, 2015 8:17:57 GMT -5
I was just talking about this with my mom last night. It's impressive how many networks are pushing boundaries now, probably in attempts to be "prestige" networks too. Hell, even USA and Lifetime (of all places) are getting in on the game. |
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Post by kitchin on Jul 14, 2015 9:32:02 GMT -5
Mads's Hannibal is a Humbert Humbert, but would he say this? "I kiss in French but I fuck American." That is from the daughter of former French prime minister, becoming a model.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 14, 2015 13:58:20 GMT -5
I was just talking about this with my mom last night. It's impressive how many networks are pushing boundaries now, probably in attempts to be "prestige" networks too. Hell, even USA and Lifetime (of all places) are getting in on the game. I mentioned this to my dad too! Before (90s, but even the early aughts) you had HBO, FX, and Showtime (I add this begrudgingly even thought it didn't seem like they had a 'prestige drama' until Homeland debuted; their female-led comedy-dramas notwithstanding), PBS, and the imports from the UK for 'prestige television.' However, these days, it's inspiring to see more of the networks take risks. They don't always work, but just the variety alone is tremendously inspiring and I'm curious to see what lies ahead. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 14, 2015 17:16:01 GMT -5
Mads's Hannibal is a Humbert Humbert, but would he say this? "I kiss in French but I fuck American." That is from the daughter of former French prime minister, becoming a model. what |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 14, 2015 17:39:34 GMT -5
Mads's Hannibal is a Humbert Humbert, but would he say this? "I kiss in French but I fuck American." That is from the daughter of former French prime minister, becoming a model. what  |
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Post by kitchin on Jul 15, 2015 9:17:53 GMT -5
www.thelocal.fr/20150710/ex-french-pms-daughter-in-topless-photo-shootThe only way I understand Hannibal is as a suave European spouting off banalities and hoodwinking enthralled Americans like Shelley Winters in Lolita. I think the new generation in France may have some other ideas about Americans. Or same goal, different means. Not too serious. Seriously though, how could anyone call Lolita a love story? That's like calling Hannibal a detective story. Maybe a horror story. The Lolita quote is a blurb on the cover attributed to "Vanity Fair" and Google is too outraged to tell me exactly who said it.
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Post by kitchin on Jul 15, 2015 9:25:19 GMT -5
As soon as I hit Post I found it. The Vanity Fair quote in some grand coincidence of life is in the same issue of Vanity Fair as a photo essay depicting the son of President Ronald Reagan "prancing around in his underwear." This is way before Marky Mark, too. Photos by Annie Leibovitz. Now Wim Wenders goes and photographs something else for one Gregor von Rezzori and we get the Vanity Fair quote. shapiro.xyz/2009/02/25/sourcing-a-blurb/ |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 15, 2015 9:38:26 GMT -5
The only way I understand Hannibal is as a suave European spouting off banalities and hoodwinking enthralled Americans like Shelley Winters in Lolita. Are you even watching the same show as the rest of us? |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 15, 2015 10:06:13 GMT -5
As soon as I hit Post I found it. The Vanity Fair quote in some grand coincidence of life is in the same issue of Vanity Fair as a photo essay depicting the son of President Ronald Reagan "prancing around in his underwear." This is way before Marky Mark, too. Photos by Annie Leibovitz. Now Wim Wenders goes and photographs something else for one Gregor von Rezzori and we get the Vanity Fair quote. shapiro.xyz/2009/02/25/sourcing-a-blurb/What on Earth does this have to do with Hannibal? |
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jul 15, 2015 12:35:15 GMT -5
www.thelocal.fr/20150710/ex-french-pms-daughter-in-topless-photo-shootThe only way I understand Hannibal is as a suave European spouting off banalities and hoodwinking enthralled Americans like Shelley Winters in Lolita. I think the new generation in France may have some other ideas about Americans. Or same goal, different means. Not too serious. Seriously though, how could anyone call Lolita a love story? That's like calling Hannibal a detective story. Maybe a horror story. The Lolita quote is a blurb on the cover attributed to "Vanity Fair" and Google is too outraged to tell me exactly who said it.  |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jul 15, 2015 15:18:24 GMT -5
Are there hidden posts I'm not seeing that make this digression make sense?
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jul 15, 2015 15:19:29 GMT -5
Are there hidden posts I'm not seeing that make this digression make sense? I suspect the connection is somewhere in kitchin's head and he's not sharing? But maybe we could actually talk about Hannibal again? |
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