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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Aug 29, 2015 17:43:17 GMT -5
If that is indeed the final episode of Hannibal, holy fuck what a glorious way to go out. Every part of the episode worked (also, so glad to see Katherine Isabelle, even for a brief moment). The Siouxsie Sioux track, the fall, and the final shot of Bedelia were perfect.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 17:45:10 GMT -5
The visual, in my head, of Bedelia in that ridiculous "whore of Babylon" gown (which I presume she will refuse to change out of), sitting in a cell like Hannibal's and exchanging shit talk with Dr. Chilton in a mobile oxygen chamber is really magnificent. Oh, the sass! "Frederick ... don't be so ... thin-skinned. ... I'd hate ... for ... you ... to get ......... over-heated." "How an I talking haster than you when I ha' no lihs and I'n the one on morhine?"
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 29, 2015 18:44:28 GMT -5
Here's the thing: I loved the final shot as it was. But I don't think that, purely in story terms and not in "Holy shit what the fuck!?" terms, it's as beautiful and appropriate as the shot that *looks* like the final shot.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 19:51:26 GMT -5
Here's the thing: I loved the final shot as it was. But I don't think that, purely in story terms and not in "Holy shit what the fuck!?" terms, it's as beautiful and appropriate as the shot that *looks* like the final shot. Their embrace, set against the sea and sky, is the most beautiful the show has ever been, and the ending could teach Wagner something about Leibestod.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 29, 2015 21:41:51 GMT -5
My girlf's initial reaction was thinking they'd died in the fall, and NBC and Fuller were pulling a big trick on us about it needing renewal. So as one of the few proponents of "the Mad Men ending was intentionally ambiguous", I'm gonna go crazy if the majority opinion is "obviously Will and Hannibal died from the fall!" (Which, yeah, in reality maybe...) I think they deliberately left it open-ended in that aspect. If the show gets revived, they'll be revealed to have survived somehow. If not, Will really did die taking down Hannibal once and for all.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Aug 29, 2015 22:02:43 GMT -5
That sound you just heard was the sound of the gay meter shattering to the voice of Siouxsie.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Aug 29, 2015 22:08:35 GMT -5
(Doing away with the spoiler tags now...) Interesting: according to Fuller, the intention of the tag was the Bedelia was being served her leg by someone who had left the room (possibly Hannibal or Will).
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 29, 2015 22:20:31 GMT -5
Okay. So. One option is that bedelia went nuts and cooked her own leg.
The other, the S4 option, is that Hannibal and Will survived and that was the future and she took the oyster fork as a weapon.
Either way holy shit that was all amazing. Also I loved Will just drinking his wine and watching.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 29, 2015 22:31:47 GMT -5
(Doing away with the spoiler tags now...) West Coast won't be done for another 2.5 hours!
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Post by ๐ huss ๐ on Aug 29, 2015 22:32:36 GMT -5
Also I loved Will just drinking his wine and watching.
I burst out laughing. That bit was hilarious.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 29, 2015 22:39:16 GMT -5
(Doing away with the spoiler tags now...) Interesting: according to Fuller, the intention of the tag was the Bedelia was being served her leg by someone who had left the room (possibly Hannibal or Will). Wait, WHAT? That's just cruel for him to have revealed.
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Aug 29, 2015 22:43:30 GMT -5
(Doing away with the spoiler tags now...) Interesting: according to Fuller, the intention of the tag was the Bedelia was being served her leg by someone who had left the room (possibly Hannibal or Will). Wait, WHAT? That's just cruel for him to have revealed. On rewatch it does seem a bit more obvious that that was the intention -- she's glancing nervously off to the other room and hiding a fork beneath the table. Still, I like Fuller's vamping in the interview. "Maybe it was Will, Hannibal, Lady Muraski, Jack... who knows! Everyone's a cannibal now!"
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Post by Powerthirteen on Aug 29, 2015 23:03:56 GMT -5
Wait, WHAT? That's just cruel for him to have revealed. On rewatch it does seem a bit more obvious that that was the intention -- she's glancing nervously off to the other room and hiding a fork beneath the table. Still, I like Fuller's vamping in the interview. "Maybe it was Will, Hannibal, Lady Muraski, Jack... who knows! Everyone's a cannibal now!" Yeah, now that he points it out it's clear, although thanks to the crappy stream I watched it on I could barely tell she was missing a leg, much less that she had a fork. So rewatching it in HD will clear it up (literally!). But I loved that Fuller was a little sorry he'd said it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 30, 2015 1:12:02 GMT -5
Wait, WHAT? That's just cruel for him to have revealed. On rewatch it does seem a bit more obvious that that was the intention -- she's glancing nervously off to the other room and hiding a fork beneath the table. Still, I like Fuller's vamping in the interview. "Maybe it was Will, Hannibal, Lady Muraski, Jack... who knows! Everyone's a cannibal now!" I thought it was more that she was setting the table, as it were, for Hannibal's return. The amputation, the beautifully roasted leg, the gorgeous place settings (no matter how plausible) - all for him. And the nervousness and the fork-gripping only started when it dawned on her that she wasn't his first date that evening, or really on his mind at all. How heart-breaking for her to have finally given in to his tastes, only to realize that he never really loved her. But hey, I guess Fuller is the definitive interpreter - excellent, excellent episode! Favorite laugh: Hannibal: Hello Francis Dolarhyde: Hello Dr Lecter Will: *sips his wine, mistakenly thinks he's a spectator*
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 30, 2015 5:09:43 GMT -5
I loved this show, with reservations. I did not love the ending... and the final scene put my reservations into perfect perspective.
The show's core premise only works if you ship Will/Hannibal... and I just don't. I think the 'love story' lessens Will Graham as a character hugely, to be honest. I can see plot-wise how he got to that final point, but I don't buy it emotionally at all.
I also wasn't fussed for the Siouxie song.
But I'm all about Bedelia in that blue dress.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 30, 2015 5:38:15 GMT -5
I didn't even think it was worth trying until midway through the second season. If you look carefully you can find me mocking the poncy Film School article about the meaning of its shot composition (mockery which I stand by.) Also, a very relevant part of a comment: "I kinda hope that somewhere in the middle of the season Fuller goes crazy and just says FUCK IT WE'RE GETTING CANCELLED ANYWAY." Funny thing is, that I said they'd fuck up Will Graham as a character... and the ending, in my mind, did precisely that.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 30, 2015 13:35:29 GMT -5
I loved this show, with reservations. I did not love the ending... and the final scene put my reservations into perfect perspective. The show's core premise only works if you ship Will/Hannibal... and I just don't. I think the 'love story' lessens Will Graham as a character hugely, to be honest. I can see plot-wise how he got to that final point, but I don't buy it emotionally at all. I also wasn't fussed for the Siouxie song. I disagree, but taste is subjective. (HA, TASTE)
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 31, 2015 6:43:19 GMT -5
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 31, 2015 9:20:50 GMT -5
Good goddamn, I'd love to see that!
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Post by ๐ huss ๐ on Aug 31, 2015 18:33:13 GMT -5
I am wearing a lipstick called Manhunter today. Although the brand (OCC) has done referential/nerdy shade colors (Pris, Clockwork, Lovecraft, etc.), I don't think this one is a Thomas Harris/Hannibal reference BUT WHATEVER THAT'S WHAT I'M SAYING IT IS. it is hella bright (not my photo)
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Post by Sanziana on Sept 1, 2015 3:01:34 GMT -5
Look at you people still being optimistic about a season 4. I will miss this show so much with all its magnificent insanity.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Sept 1, 2015 7:07:49 GMT -5
Sanziana to be fair we are living in an age where long-dormant projects come back to life years later - 24, Twin Peaks, Heroes, etc. But I am assuming Hannibal is dead and gone (both the show and character).
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Sept 1, 2015 9:55:55 GMT -5
Sanziana to be fair we are living in an age where long-dormant projects come back to life years later - 24, Twin Peaks, Heroes, etc. But I am assuming Hannibal is dead and gone (both the show and character). Hell, if friggin' Longmire can be brought back, so can Hannibal! The show, I mean.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Sept 1, 2015 11:44:25 GMT -5
Sanziana to be fair we are living in an age where long-dormant projects come back to life years later - 24, Twin Peaks, Heroes, etc. But I am assuming Hannibal is dead and gone (both the show and character). Hannibal and Will landed on a rocky outcropping fifteen feet down and rolled into a cave, where they're currently living on mosses and grubworms waiting for Jack to come pick them up with his helicopter.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Sept 1, 2015 18:10:53 GMT -5
Sanziana to be fair we are living in an age where long-dormant projects come back to life years later - 24, Twin Peaks, Heroes, etc. But I am assuming Hannibal is dead and gone (both the show and character).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 2, 2015 17:04:47 GMT -5
So it just aired here. I'd prefer to think, if the show never gets a continuation (which is let's face it pretty likely) that Will and Hannibal died that day. It's a bit like the season two ending in that regard, a real Schrรถdinger's cat of death - which at this point is a well the show has returned to a lot; at this point every main character has suffered injuries they are fortunate to have survived (and doubly fortunate that, Chilton aside, they have left no obvious scars.) I think Post-Lupin is right though that the ending is hard to read any way other than romantically, and I was never one for that reading of the relationship - but in that moment, after everything they'd been through, it just worked for me. Hannibal has always been a seductive influence on Will, a corrosive element eating away at his sanity and his morality; why not at this point an element of something more?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 19:38:37 GMT -5
So it just aired here. I'd prefer to think, if the show never gets a continuation (which is let's face it pretty likely) that Will and Hannibal died that day. It's a bit like the season two ending in that regard, a real Schrรถdinger's cat of death - which at this point is a well the show has returned to a lot; at this point every main character has suffered injuries they are fortunate to have survived (and doubly fortunate that, Chilton aside, they have left no obvious scars.) I think Post-Lupin is right though that the ending is hard to read any way other than romantically, and I was never one for that reading of the relationship - but in that moment, after everything they'd been through, it just worked for me. Hannibal has always been a seductive influence on Will, a corrosive element eating away at his sanity and his morality; why not at this point an element of something more? (We're well past the point of spoiler warnings, no?) Anyway, I was never much for the shipping proclivity that the show's fans and, especially toward the end there, the show itself indulged in, but I thought the finale embrace was note-perfect. It scanned romantic, sure, but the erotic charge seemed to me to be a symbol of an intimacy of a whole other, more chthonic kind---Diotima's Ladder, but used to go down to the basement.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 22, 2016 16:06:20 GMT -5
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 22, 2016 16:28:15 GMT -5
I would love to have Hannibal's recipe box. That's an absolutely beautiful thing.
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