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Post by ganews on Jan 24, 2015 18:25:20 GMT -5
I rather like it. It's not in much of a timeslot and doesn't get much attention at AVC, but they are still reviewing it.
I'm not indoors tonight to watch the premier, but I look forward to it. Thoughts?
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Jan 25, 2015 9:44:28 GMT -5
I had actually completely forgotten about this show until they started airing ads for its new season premiere. Glad to hear people are enjoying it!
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Post by ganews on Jan 29, 2015 21:00:23 GMT -5
I had actually completely forgotten about this show until they started airing ads for its new season premiere. Glad to hear people are enjoying it! "People" is plural, and it's obviously just me. It's a good time, though. Most popular Halloween costume (vampire) + extra nudity + violence = True Blood. Second most popular Halloween costume (pirate) + extra nudity + violence = Black Sails. The difference is merely the channel.
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Post by ganews on Jan 31, 2015 22:19:59 GMT -5
This might just me a one-man thread, but seeing as AVC isn't reviewing the show anymore, I need somewhere to post stray thoughts. I suppose I could start me own reviews on the board here for that, but we'll see. So:
Holy cow, that's Billy Bones washed up on the shore at the beginning of the episode! I had to see it again to figure it out. Good, he (seemingly) left the show too soon.
I noticed Randall in the credits for the last episode, and here he appears. All the carnage this crew has been through shows that John Silver had it right: the safest job on the crew.
Flint playing the game to win back the captain's seat has really been something to see. After last week's performance he was seeming just a bit too superhuman (and there's a bit more here when the merchant captain knows his name), but the episode does a good job of showing just how difficult it is to be a successful pirate.
The preview makes out the next episode to be Charles Vane vs. Ned Lowe, the new psychopath in town. I have mixed feelings about that. Lowe is terrible but Vane is not very compelling, and the latter's relationship with Eleanor Guthrie is already uncomfortable. Vane must be spoiling for a fight - he "sentenced" Jack Rackham to stay on land and rot, but that's pretty much the same as being holed up in the fort.
Oh yeah, Jack: still damn cool. Anne getting with Max still has me rolling my eyes, but Jack is taking it in stride like every other situation.
One thing Lowe has going for him is understanding his crew's base nature and exploiting it. John Silver is getting up to the same thing, though as True Neutral instead of Chaotic Evil.
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Post by ganews on Jan 23, 2016 20:54:05 GMT -5
Season 3 premier!
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Post by ganews on Jan 23, 2016 22:23:13 GMT -5
Boo, AVC promotes the premier on What's On Tonight and gloats that it no longer reviews the show. I can't go anywhere else to read reviews of the show, lest I scroll down and read comments. The last time I did that I saw nothing but complaints than Flint was bisexual.
A very suitable continuation of last season tonight. Flint has remained on the warpath against England, which killed his friend and lover, and anyone who prosecutes pirates (standing in for those who killed his other friend and lover). He is a reckless death seeker without Mrs. Barlow, but he is still the best damn captain around.
The would-be English governor says to Eleanor Guthrie that he comes to offer all that the powers of Nassau dream of. And yet this cannot be the case, because that didn't fly 15 years ago, and it's not going to fly now than the pirates are that much more feared. Eleanor would be a fool to take him at his word, but then again she doesn't have many choices toward her own safety. She's ready for revenge; who does she incriminate as the great barrier to English progress in Nassau? The camera would suggest Charles Vane, but Flint is just as good an answer.
Jack Rackham, coolest guy on the island, is playing politics now. He currently fills the roll that Flint used to before the latter became a revenge monster, looking toward the independence of Nassau. At least he was decent enough not to suggest that the slaves were better off being made to serve in Nassau than where they would have gone otherwise (and Vane would have fucked him up for it, too). That was a decently-done bit of exposition on how our three favorite captains formed a pact in between seasons.
Likewise Max is filling Eleanor's old roll. As she came up through a very different path, I hope she does something interesting now that she's there.
Speaking of the need to be interesting, please give Ann Bonny something to do. She's too awesome to be sitting around.
Black Sails still has the best show opening outside of Game of Thrones.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 24, 2016 10:44:22 GMT -5
I rather like it. It's not in much of a timeslot and doesn't get much attention at AVC, but they are still reviewing it. I'm not indoors tonight to watch the premier, but I look forward to it. Thoughts? I saw the first season last year. I hear that it's the subsequent seasons where it comes into its own but honestly that was a lot of fun as a season of TV - it's chaotic, violent worldbuilding is honestly more akin to Deadwood than anything I've seen since Deadwood. Also the naval battles were cool and most impressive on a TV budget. One can practically smell the gunpowder.
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Post by ganews on Jan 24, 2016 13:08:14 GMT -5
I rather like it. It's not in much of a timeslot and doesn't get much attention at AVC, but they are still reviewing it. I'm not indoors tonight to watch the premier, but I look forward to it. Thoughts? I saw the first season last year. I hear that it's the subsequent seasons where it comes into its own but honestly that was a lot of fun as a season of TV - it's chaotic, violent worldbuilding is honestly more akin to Deadwood than anything I've seen since Deadwood. Also the naval battles were cool and most impressive on a TV budget. One can practically smell the gunpowder. Keep watching! The first season left with the Orca gold cliffhanger, and you've got to see how Flint wins his way back. One thing about the show is that Flint is almost too capable, but it's fun to see how he finds his way out. Like Columbo.
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Post by ganews on Feb 6, 2016 22:36:36 GMT -5
I just got around to watching last week's episode XX (season 3 ep 2). Fantastic. The effects on this show are so spectacularly well-done, I absolutely forget that they are effects. The "making of" segment at the end is amazing.
I have put aside my compunctions about recycled character roles. I see that the people really are moving forward. Throwing Teach into the mix is nicely mixing things up, too. Will Nassau again become the survival of the fittest, non-society he wants? I doubt it. But with Flint unable to serve and a giant fleet bearing down, they will need Teach's strength to win, and who knows how that will change the power balance.
Speaking of power balance, what is Silver going to turn into? He regrets not keeping the men from following Flint into the storm, and now he was forced to helplessly watch another friend die. Will he rise against Flint when the men begin to starve? Well, no, he'll need Superman Flint to keep them all alive again somehow. After that, we'll see.
This show is so full of strong characters it can be easy to overlook Silver, but let's not forget that he's the only one with impervious plot armor (because he must survive into Treasure Island). To think that in season one he was a True Neutral pragmatist, in season two still playing the fool just to stay in the crew's good graces, and now as quartermaster truly devoted to the well-being of his fellow men.
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Post by ganews on Feb 7, 2016 15:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Desert Dweller on Feb 7, 2016 20:19:21 GMT -5
I definitely gave that an upvote. I am not watching the show. But, while I'm in grad school, I'm not watching anything. I've now put this on my list to watch over the summer.
Thanks!
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Post by ganews on Feb 8, 2016 23:13:25 GMT -5
It should go without saying now that every comment here will be a full-throated plea for viewership. For all last week's effects, XXI had such great character drama.
Jack Rackham, Mouth of the South (Sea): Such eloquence and confidence. Teach calls this the survival of a dog? Max: not just cleverness, but real wisdom. Flint: so haunted and pained. Also, still Superman. Killer of sharks, bringer of wind. Silver: coming around, after all. He shows his strength to Flint, partially by admitting his vulnerability. Had he kept the leg, things might be different, but this is what it is.
So Teach did indeed step in to offer his leadership, because he wants Vane again for a son. Now Charles really has to get out of Dodge with the whole island after him. His loyal friends like Rackham will fight for him, presumably as counterpoint to Teach.
So that's it for the pardon? No more piracy and all is forgiven? Fine, but where is the proposal for how to live without piracy? The Guthrie-Flint-etc. proposal, before it went to hell, had this all mapped out.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 21, 2016 18:08:47 GMT -5
Now I will run a most scientific test to see who reads this thread, and I will use the most exacting of scientific instruments for measurement: tumblr. These are gifs of Charles Vane, who does not always wear a shirt. Let's see who upvotes this. Vane is like Rollo on Vikings for me; not quite my cup of tea, but I very much understand why someone would be into him.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 21, 2016 18:21:08 GMT -5
So yeah, I do indeed adore Jack Rackham, in all his devious, snarky, attempted-clothes-horse glory, but I don't find him attractive at all.
But although I feel like I shouldn't like Silver on mere principle - he's just too obviously the lady-bait with his face and his I Am Karl Urban's Equally Hot Cousin-ness and it irritates me when they do that - I have to, because I am a sucker for pragmatist con-men who give not one single fuck about anyone's welfare but his own...until he does. It's the fall-from-grace/lost-all-faith in reverse, and christ knows I've never been able to resist that *coughcoughNorringtoncoughcough*
Also Luke Arnold apparently played Michael Hutchence in an Aussie miniseries (and looked creepily like him in some of the screenshots), so I...pretty much was sunk no matter what.
There is not nearly enough Billy Bones, and I will fight anyone who doesn't like Max.
I pretty much just love everyone in this bar, although I could do without Eleanor. I do think that's actually an actress issue, and not a character one; she grates on me, and I don't feel she really ever comes across as badass or threatening in the slightest. She can, however, pull off duplicity and ruthlessness like a motherfucker, and that helps a lot.
I am currently S3E03, but I have watched up to 5; I just sorta accidentally ended up re-watching because I needed something in the background while I was doing other things.
I will not apologize for flatigious hypen-abuse.
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Post by ganews on Mar 21, 2016 23:04:24 GMT -5
Eleanor Guthrie is easily the least interesting of the main characters, and Hannah New doesn't really help by perpetually wearing the same pout. She's sort of the antagonist for this show, at least now that she's coming back to help an English force rule the island. She would be more fun if she were a snarling, devious, cartoony villain, but this show doesn't trade in those. The only pure villains are abstract rule of England and Spain. (And that dead-eyed captain from Season 2 who had his head cut off by Vane.)
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 21, 2016 23:07:48 GMT -5
Keep watching! The first season left with the Orca gold cliffhanger, and you've got to see how Flint wins his way back. The show came back last week and I caught the season two premiere over the weekend. I continue to thoroughly enjoy it.
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Post by ganews on Mar 21, 2016 23:13:33 GMT -5
I think I'm going to read Treasure Island in the near future when the weather gets warm. I've never actually gotten to it, and I risk missing references like the fact that Long John Silver's parrot is named Captain Flint.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 22, 2016 8:11:49 GMT -5
ganews I read it but I was a kid so it's all vague now.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 22, 2016 21:56:57 GMT -5
Did he just go out calling everyone sheeple?
some MOTHERFUCKER on Tumblr spoiled it for me this morning, or else I would have actually been shocked.
Haha look at Jack, scamming for a captaincy no matter what's going on around him. God bless you, son.
omg why does anyone trust Eleanor Guthrie? I feel confident that she is wholly full of shit and is after her old job again.
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Post by ganews on Mar 23, 2016 8:19:28 GMT -5
Did he just go out calling everyone sheeple? some MOTHERFUCKER on Tumblr spoiled it for me this morning, or else I would have actually been shocked. Haha look at Jack, scamming for a captaincy no matter what's going on around him. God bless you, son. omg why does anyone trust Eleanor Guthrie? I feel confident that she is wholly full of shit and is after her old job again. The first time anyone pirate of real import dies on Black Sails, after almost three seasons. Two in the same episode even, although Mr. S never got enough to do even though he was apparently secretly badass. There's also the old cook and the accountant who finally got stomped, but they were plot devices as much as recurring characters. There was so much cannon fodder on the Orca in the first two seasons, I'm always happy to see familiar crew faces still alive. Like Mr. Degroot who gets spoken lines, and the tall Asian guy who doesn't.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 24, 2016 9:11:23 GMT -5
Did he just go out calling everyone sheeple? some MOTHERFUCKER on Tumblr spoiled it for me this morning, or else I would have actually been shocked. Haha look at Jack, scamming for a captaincy no matter what's going on around him. God bless you, son. omg why does anyone trust Eleanor Guthrie? I feel confident that she is wholly full of shit and is after her old job again. The first time anyone pirate of real import dies on Black Sails, after almost three seasons. Two in the same episode even, although Mr. S never got enough to do even though he was apparently secretly badass. There's also the old cook and the accountant who finally got stomped, but they were plot devices as much as recurring characters. There was so much cannon fodder on the Orca in the first two seasons, I'm always happy to see familiar crew faces still alive. Like Mr. Degroot who gets spoken lines, and the tall Asian guy who doesn't. Some of the pirates have plot immunity, though, don't they? Silver, obviously, Billy Bones - does Flint show up in Treasure Island? And that new kid they just got out of the island. Ben Gunn. I haven't actually read the book or seen a filmed version of it in years, so I dunno about the other historical pirates. I liked Randall! I want a buddy cop show with him and Richardson from Deadwood. And I had just been wondering where Dufresne had gotten to when he popped up and got stomped. Yeah they need to give that Asian dude lines! What's his story, man? (psssst on the Walrus)
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 27, 2016 1:45:18 GMT -5
NOW KISS oh for fuck's sake Silver that was the perfect moment what is wrong with you
I think Anne Bonny just displaced AnnaMarie as my pirate girlfriend.
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Post by ganews on Mar 27, 2016 16:03:04 GMT -5
...and Silver hasn't even gotten laid since the first episode! Finally, finally Anne gets to be awesome after a season and a half of personal drama. That was a kick-ass finale all around. I really loved the framing of Silver and Flint's fireside chat flashing back and forward to the battle. The conversation and slow reveal of the shifting power structure was great, even if the final reveal of "Long. John. Silver." was rather over the top. The battle seemed so decisive, but there's still plenty of fleet left to fight at Nassau next season. I can't wait! Desert Dweller, when you start watching this show later, you come back here and let me know. I'll be reading Treasure Island.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 27, 2016 16:39:14 GMT -5
Okay! I can probably start in about a month. My final project is due on April 27th.
Is there a site that streams it?
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Post by ganews on Mar 27, 2016 17:37:38 GMT -5
Okay! I can probably start in about a month. My final project is due on April 27th. Is there a site that streams it? You can always find such things by googling episode numbers...animex is reliable, I've heard.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Mar 28, 2016 15:37:53 GMT -5
...and Silver hasn't even gotten laid since the first episode! Finally, finally Anne gets to be awesome after a season and a half of personal drama. That was a kick-ass finale all around. I really loved the framing of Silver and Flint's fireside chat flashing back and forward to the battle. The conversation and slow reveal of the shifting power structure was great, even if the final reveal of "Long. John. Silver." was rather over the top. The battle seemed so decisive, but there's still plenty of fleet left to fight at Nassau next season. I can't wait! Desert Dweller , when you start watching this show later, you come back here and let me know. I'll be reading Treasure Island. Yes, I do have to say I quite appreciate that they haven't made Silver the charming rake type, which is what they do so often with attractive dudes - he's really just too busy being a charming, manipulative, weasel. That's not an insult. Jack nearly capering with glee while he watched Anne sneak on board the ship was just fantastic. "That's my girlfriend!" Honestly it's too bad the name "Long John Silver" is so embeded in the cultural conscience. It's kind of a terrible (and unimaginative) nickname unless the guy is super-tall, massively endowed, or owns a chain of fast-food restaurant.
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Post by ganews on Mar 28, 2016 16:17:51 GMT -5
Yes, I do have to say I quite appreciate that they haven't made Silver the charming rake type, which is what they do so often with attractive dudes - he's really just too busy being a charming, manipulative, weasel. That's not an insult. Jack nearly capering with glee while he watched Anne sneak on board the ship was just fantastic. "That's my girlfriend!" Honestly it's too bad the name "Long John Silver" is so embeded in the cultural conscience. It's kind of a terrible (and unimaginative) nickname unless the guy is super-tall, massively endowed, or owns a chain of fast-food restaurant. That's why season 4 will introduce a new major character who fits all three criteria: Captain D.
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 1, 2016 20:09:24 GMT -5
Ok, I'm going to try starting it sometime this week. Hope I can find a good place to watch.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jun 19, 2016 2:29:48 GMT -5
So, I was a little late in starting this. Sorry. I did watch the first 3 episodes this week. So far, it is okay. I still don't really know who everyone is. Not sure I am liking the female characters very much.
I'll keep going though. Seems like there is enough there to make it interesting later.
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Post by ganews on Jun 19, 2016 22:49:20 GMT -5
So, I was a little late in starting this. Sorry. I did watch the first 3 episodes this week. So far, it is okay. I still don't really know who everyone is. Not sure I am liking the female characters very much. I'll keep going though. Seems like there is enough there to make it interesting later. It definitely gets better, except for Eleanor Guthrie.
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