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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 4, 2021 12:46:09 GMT -5
Honestly, I'm just glad we'll no longer have "It's a Departure" as the MBMBAM theme. I've disliked it almost the entire time and found the lyrics very anti-MBMBAM. But what an embarrassing way to get yourself cancelled. Over a literal can of beans. His awful whiny attempt at Colin Meloying (and I know Colin Meloy's voice and general smugness rub a lot of people the wrong way to begin with) made it hard for me to understand the lyrics to "It's a Departure" after "It's a new craze", so it took me at least a hundred episodes to make out the "hey good girls" part and I was like "wait, what, why is this the theme song?". Personally, I think it would kick ass if, what with their being a very popular podcast in 2020 as opposed to a fairly obscure one back in 2010, MBMBAM got the rights to "Take a Chance on Me", the one ABBA song I unreservedly think is very good. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jan 4, 2021 12:49:05 GMT -5
Honestly, it's just wild that "Bean Dad" didn't emerge as a MBMBaM bit in the first place.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 4, 2021 12:54:38 GMT -5
Honestly, it's just wild that "Bean Dad" didn't emerge as a MBMBaM bit in the first place. The brothers are out for blood, giving new meaning to Bean Juice. |
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Post by patbat on Jan 4, 2021 15:13:28 GMT -5
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 4, 2021 17:23:32 GMT -5
I should probably take this to the Things That Irrationally Anger You thread but Iβm annoyed that heβs βBean Dadβ and not βCan Opener Dadβ since the thing people are pissed at him about had less to do with the fact that he was making his daughter eat a can of beans as a meal like she was a Great Depression era hobo and more to do with the fact that he made her spend 6 hours figuring out how a can opener worked. People would have just as pissed if the can that was being opened was Campbellβs Chunky Beef Stew or Spaghetti-Os or corn.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 4, 2021 17:28:31 GMT -5
I should probably take this to the Things That Irrationally Anger You thread but Iβm annoyed that heβs βBean Dadβ and not βCan Opener Dadβ since the thing people are pissed at him about had less to do with the fact that he was making his daughter eat a can of beans as a meal like she was a Great Depression era hobo and more to do with the fact that he made her spend 6 hours figuring out how a can opener worked. People would have just as pissed if the can that was being opened was Campbellβs Chunky Beef Stew or Spaghetti-Os or corn. If anything "you can make yourself a can of beans if you don't want to wait for me to make the next meal" was the one defensible part of the whole damn thing. |
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Jan 4, 2021 18:41:55 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm pretty sure those old tweets are the primary cause of his deleting his Twitter account. I think you're probably right that they are attempts at "edgy" ironic" bigotry, but the screenshots that seem to have materialized are pretty fucking terrible on their own (and virtually all of them at least somewhat fucked up regardless of context) but tend to lack enough context to make this entirely clear. And now there is definitely a "John Roderick is essentially a white supremacist" narrative developing. Which I rather doubt, but he's certainly guilty of a lot of "smug white liberal being unwittingly bigoted"-style bigotry. Also, I'll second Owl on Roderick always coming across as a smug insufferable asshole coasting along on a comedy/podcasting career through his association with more famous and talented figures, so can't say I'll be shedding any tears for him even if this leads to his developing a reputation for being a different and worse kind of bigot than the kind of bigot he actually is. Also, I listened to a The Long Winters album once and it was an absolute chore to get through. Yea, thereβs an object lesson on mediocre white male privilege in his ability to ingratiate himself with otherwise talented, non-shitty people for sure. Also, those tweets arenβt that old, he was already an allegedly progressive man in his forties when he made them. A dumb kid figuring out acceptable humor he was not. Are we counting John Roderick's Omnibus co-host Ken Jennings as one of his talented non-shitty friends? I'm not really understanding the push to frame him as an uber-bigot on the back of a single blasely ableist tweet from 2014. As far as I can tell this is literally the only impact Bean-Dad-gate is going to have outside of a very, very niche subset of nerd culture. |
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 4, 2021 18:46:47 GMT -5
Yea, thereβs an object lesson on mediocre white male privilege in his ability to ingratiate himself with otherwise talented, non-shitty people for sure. Also, those tweets arenβt that old, he was already an allegedly progressive man in his forties when he made them. A dumb kid figuring out acceptable humor he was not. Are we counting John Roderick's Omnibus co-host Ken Jennings as one of his talented non-shitty friends? I'm not really understanding the push to frame him as an uber-bigot on the back of a single blasely ableist tweet from 2014. As far as I can tell this is literally the only impact Bean-Dad-gate is going to have outside of a very, very niche subset of nerd culture. I donβt really know enough about Jennings or his tweets to speak on that. |
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Post by πͺ silly buns on Jan 4, 2021 18:54:06 GMT -5
After watching Lord of the Rings for the first time, I enjoyed listening to Newcomers: LotR. Also, listening to the eps for The Hobbit movies and that Tolkien movie >>>> sitting through any of those movies.
They also watched all the Star Wars movies for the first time too. Listening to those eps now.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 5, 2021 8:07:36 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 5, 2021 8:37:23 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology There should be a rule that if something that's being typed online that's "sarcastic" or "ironic" you can only use Wingdings or whatever the Wingdings equivalent is online in 2021. That way everyone will know that you're being "ironic" and also be completely unable to read what you wrote since it will all be cartoon bombs and yin-yang symbols and shit (unless the reader is a mutant who somehow has wingdings memorized). I think it will save a lot of time and energy with regards to the "ironic" post/online outrage/outing of old "ironic" racist posts/screenshot of an apology typed up on Apple Notes cycle. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Jan 5, 2021 9:59:12 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology "I framed the story with me as the asshole dad because thatβs my comedic persona and my fans and friends know itβs 'a bit.'" ... "I was ignorant, insensitive to the message that my 'pedant dad' comedic persona was indistinguishable from how abusive dads act, talk and think." Ah, yes, that famous John Roderick and his famous "pedant dad" comedic persona. Classic bit. Assuming that this is true, and Roderick is well known among his friends and followers for his comic anecdotes of fatherly pedantry, I will say that social media tends to completely scramble our understanding of the difference between "public" and "private," and people never seem to be able to wrap their heads around the idea that the "bits" they're sharing with what they perceive as their immediate social circle are also being broadcast to millions of people. |
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 5, 2021 10:14:29 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology Β "I framed the story with me as the asshole dad because thatβs my comedic persona and my fans and friends know itβs 'a bit.'" Β ... "I was ignorant, insensitive to the message that my 'pedant dad' comedic persona was indistinguishable from how abusive dads act, talk and think." Ah, yes, that famous John Roderick and his famous "pedant dad" comedic persona. Classic bit. Assuming that this is true, and Roderick is well known among his friends and followers for his comic anecdotes of fatherly pedantry, I will say that social media tends to completely scramble our understanding of the difference between "public" and "private," and people never seem to be able to wrap their heads around the idea that the "bits" they're sharing with what they perceive as their immediate social circle are also being broadcast to millions of people. I will say that βit never occurred to me that if people didnβt see how clever and funny Iβm being, the problem might not be themβ completely squares with my previous perception of Roderick. |
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Post by πͺ silly buns on Jan 5, 2021 11:11:18 GMT -5
Liking the Lolita podcast. It goes over the book, the real life story the book is based on, the author's intentions, and pop culture inspirations from the book.
Also, there was a musical for the book, which was somehow intended as a comedy. It has the following line, "Who is the viper, who likes them, post diaper.."
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jan 5, 2021 12:33:48 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology I think that's actually a good apology, though I wish he had talked more about why he found it appropriate to use rape threats as a joke. But I still think It's a Departure should stay out of the MBMBAM theme, because there are going to be plenty of people who don't accept the apology, which is their right. |
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 5, 2021 12:53:18 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology I think that's actually a good apology, though I wish he had talked more about why he found it appropriate to use rape threats as a joke. But I still think It's a Departure should stay out of the MBMBAM theme, because there are going to be plenty of people who don't accept the apology, which is their right. Yea, it read as decently sincere and reflecting to me, though I agree that he still ought have known better on the older tweets. The fact that i thought it still showed some of his flaws as a person, reinforced that for me. Those parts wouldnβt be there in a βsorry you were offendedβ boilerplate. I donβt really see any benefit to MBMBAM backpedaling on the song either, so I suspect that change will stick (though please let this weekβs be only a temporary emergency filler). |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 5, 2021 13:49:16 GMT -5
I think that's actually a good apology, though I wish he had talked more about why he found it appropriate to use rape threats as a joke. But I still think It's a Departure should stay out of the MBMBAM theme, because there are going to be plenty of people who don't accept the apology, which is their right. Yea, it read as decently sincere and reflecting to me, though I agree that he still ought have known better on the older tweets. The fact that i thought it still showed some of his flaws as a person, reinforced that for me. Those parts wouldnβt be there in a βsorry you were offendedβ boilerplate. I donβt really see any benefit to MBMBAM backpedaling on the song either, so I suspect that change will stick (though please let this weekβs be only a temporary emergency filler). Yes, I sincerely hope the new theme song is even more out of key and the vocals even more noticeably failing to keep up with the tune of the instrumentals. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 5, 2021 13:55:50 GMT -5
For what itβs worth, the bean dad apology. An Apology I think that's actually a good apology, though I wish he had talked more about why he found it appropriate to use rape threats as a joke. But I still think It's a Departure should stay out of the MBMBAM theme, because there are going to be plenty of people who don't accept the apology, which is their right. I dunno if the rape "jokes" were all references to the Daniel Tosh controversy, but I took it as him attempting to "ironically" use rape jokes to comment on Daniel Tosh telling a woman at one of his shows that it would be funny if someone raped her. Obviously it's not an acceptable reason, but I suspect that would be his rationale. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 5, 2021 13:58:57 GMT -5
After watching Lord of the Rings for the first time, I enjoyed listening to Newcomers: LotR. Also, listening to the eps for The Hobbit movies and that Tolkien movie >>>> sitting through any of those movies. They also watched all the Star Wars movies for the first time too. Listening to those eps now. You should start a rival podcast about the experience of listening to episodes of Newcomers: The Lord if the Rings for the first time. Did you actually watch all the Hobbit movies? |
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Jan 5, 2021 14:06:28 GMT -5
I think that's actually a good apology, though I wish he had talked more about why he found it appropriate to use rape threats as a joke. But I still think It's a Departure should stay out of the MBMBAM theme, because there are going to be plenty of people who don't accept the apology, which is their right. I dunno if the rape "jokes" were all references to the Daniel Tosh controversy, but I took it as him attempting to "ironically" use rape jokes to comment on Daniel Tosh telling a woman at one of his shows that it would be funny if someone raped her. Obviously it's not an acceptable reason, but I suspect that would be his rationale. You're probably right, because my first thought on the "he should have known better" front was "wasn't that around the same time conversations really heated up about the Tosh's and Dane Cook's of the world making rape jokes?". I think it comes down to liebkartoffel being right that something just fails to fire in people's brains when they should realize that ANYONE CAN SEE THIS SHIT. Not to excuse it in closed company either, but you have to be extra cognizant of not having control of context once it's posted on those platforms. That's what made his initial "my real followers would get it" defense so laughable. Like, you know how Twitter works, John. |
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Post by πͺ silly buns on Jan 5, 2021 15:24:59 GMT -5
After watching Lord of the Rings for the first time, I enjoyed listening to Newcomers: LotR. Also, listening to the eps for The Hobbit movies and that Tolkien movie >>>> sitting through any of those movies. They also watched all the Star Wars movies for the first time too. Listening to those eps now. You should start a rival podcast about the experience of listening to episodes of Newcomers: The Lord if the Rings for the first time. Did you actually watch all the Hobbit movies? I only watched the 10 minutes of The Hobbit that had Gollum in it. You shoutboxers warned me enough to stay away from those movies. I fast forwarded through what looked like a bunch of sitting around and staring at each other. Or as they said in the podcast, "it looks like they decoded to shoot a bunch of reaction shots and then decided to put all of them in the movie." |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 5, 2021 15:38:00 GMT -5
You should start a rival podcast about the experience of listening to episodes of Newcomers: The Lord if the Rings for the first time. Did you actually watch all the Hobbit movies? I only watched the 10 minutes of The Hobbit that had Gollum in it. You shoutboxers warned me enough to stay away from those movies. I fast forwarded through what looked like a bunch of sitting around and staring at each other. Or as they said in the podcast, "it looks like they decoded to shoot a bunch of reaction shots and then decoded to put all of them in the movie." Oh good, then you watched the 10 minutes of that trilogy that were actually good. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 5, 2021 19:06:19 GMT -5
Liking the Lolita podcast. It goes over the book, the real life story the book is based on, the author's intentions, and pop culture inspirations from the book. Also, there was a musical for the book, which was somehow intended as a comedy. It has the following lyric, "Who is the viper, who likes them, post diaper.." I want to second this as being a good podcast. I'd never read the book before though I'd seen the 1990s movie adaptation on HBO or Cinemax at some point in the late 90s and was familiar with "Lolita" as a pop cultural touchstone so it's been kind of interesting to see how wrong pretty much adaptation and reference to Lolita has been. Unrelated to this have you listened to Jaime Loftus' other podcast thing, The Bechdel Cast? I've liked her as a guest on Behind the Bastards and like this Lolita Podcast deal and am thinking of starting that but am a bit weary of getting into a podcast that has like 200+ episodes at this point. |
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Post by πͺ silly buns on Jan 5, 2021 19:18:48 GMT -5
Liking the Lolita podcast. It goes over the book, the real life story the book is based on, the author's intentions, and pop culture inspirations from the book. Also, there was a musical for the book, which was somehow intended as a comedy. It has the following lyric, "Who is the viper, who likes them, post diaper.." I want to second this as being a good podcast. I'd never read the book before though I'd seen the 1990s movie adaptation on HBO or Cinemax at some point in the late 90s and was familiar with "Lolita" as a pop cultural touchstone so it's been kind of interesting to see how wrong pretty much adaptation and reference to Lolita has been. Unrelated to this have you listened to Jaime Loftus' other podcast thing, The Bechdel Cast? I've liked her as a guest on Behind the Bastards and like this Lolita Podcast deal and am thinking of starting that but am a bit weary of getting into a podcast that has like 200+ episodes at this point. Yes. The Bechdel Cast is pretty funny. I casually listen, downloading an episode if I have already seen the movie or know the guest. The VVitch episode was fun. Also, same with Lolita. I had only seen the 90s adaptation and didn't know the author's view of Humbert Humbert. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 5, 2021 19:23:57 GMT -5
I want to second this as being a good podcast. I'd never read the book before though I'd seen the 1990s movie adaptation on HBO or Cinemax at some point in the late 90s and was familiar with "Lolita" as a pop cultural touchstone so it's been kind of interesting to see how wrong pretty much adaptation and reference to Lolita has been. Unrelated to this have you listened to Jaime Loftus' other podcast thing, The Bechdel Cast? I've liked her as a guest on Behind the Bastards and like this Lolita Podcast deal and am thinking of starting that but am a bit weary of getting into a podcast that has like 200+ episodes at this point. Yes. The Bechdel Cast is pretty funny. I casually listen, downloading an episode if I have already seen the movie or know the guest. The VVitch episode was fun. Maybe I'll just go that route to check it out by only listening to episodes about movies I've seen instead of doing it chronologically by release date. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 7, 2021 7:55:48 GMT -5
Yes. The Bechdel Cast is pretty funny. I casually listen, downloading an episode if I have already seen the movie or know the guest. The VVitch episode was fun. Maybe I'll just go that route to check it out by only listening to episodes about movies I've seen instead of doing it chronologically by release date. At this point in time, Iβve got to be really into a podcast if Iβm going to go through itβs entire back catalog, unless said podcast is only a couple of months old. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 7, 2021 8:56:23 GMT -5
Maybe I'll just go that route to check it out by only listening to episodes about movies I've seen instead of doing it chronologically by release date. At this point in time, Iβve got to be really into a podcast if Iβm going to go through itβs entire back catalog, unless said podcast is only a couple of months old. I should probably adopt that attitude for non-serialized podcasts. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Mar 24, 2021 11:55:42 GMT -5
Well, it's finally happened. I've begun to find McElroy fandom absolutely insufferable.
(Still love the McElroys themselves and the podcasts though)
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Post by songstarliner on Mar 24, 2021 13:47:12 GMT -5
Well, it's finally happened. I've begun to find McElroy fandom absolutely insufferable. (Still love the McElroys themselves and the podcasts though) Yeah, I think I'm taking an unplanned break from them for that reason: new eps of MBMBAM keep piling up in my feed, unlistened to and forgotten. They're still good boys, though. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Mar 28, 2021 21:59:18 GMT -5
Well, it's finally happened. I've begun to find McElroy fandom absolutely insufferable. (Still love the McElroys themselves and the podcasts though) Isn't that generally how it goes with every fandom: I like XYZ but people who call themselves fans of XYZ are the dirt worst? |
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