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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 9, 2017 14:14:55 GMT -5
What in the name of all that is unholy have they done to the comments?
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Post by pairesta on Mar 9, 2017 14:36:09 GMT -5
What in the name of all that is unholy have they done to the comments? They're still up on reviews, but newswires and features just keep scrolling to the next article rather than having comments. |
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Mar 9, 2017 14:59:46 GMT -5
What in the name of all that is unholy have they done to the comments? They're still up on reviews, but newswires and features just keep scrolling to the next article rather than having comments. Oh thank god it's not just me. |
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Post by heroboy on Mar 9, 2017 15:07:24 GMT -5
They're still up on reviews, but newswires and features just keep scrolling to the next article rather than having comments. Oh thank god it's not just me. They're still there on the Newswires. You just have to click on the "Comments" button at the bottom of the article and they show up in a sidebar. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 15:13:22 GMT -5
RIP in absolute peace
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Post by pairesta on Mar 9, 2017 15:13:55 GMT -5
Oh thank god it's not just me. They're still there on the Newswires. You just have to click on the "Comments" button at the bottom of the article and they show up in a sidebar. You have to disable popup blocker and/or adblock to see that though. Also because so much shit is now loading with all that turned off, I can't see anyone's AVs. This is really awful. |
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Mar 9, 2017 15:14:32 GMT -5
Oh thank god it's not just me. They're still there on the Newswires. You just have to click on the "Comments" button at the bottom of the article and they show up in a sidebar. Oh my god, it's TOTAL SHIT wtf kind of layout is that? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 9, 2017 15:22:08 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed that there hasn't been a newswire or something about the format change. It makes me wonder if it went live early accidentally.
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Post by pairesta on Mar 9, 2017 15:24:35 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed that there hasn't been a newswire or something about the format change. It makes me wonder if it went live early accidentally. I'm hoping. Then again, doing a Newswire about it is more something Teti would push for, and I don't know how much pull he has there anymore. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 9, 2017 15:25:47 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed that there hasn't been a newswire or something about the format change. It makes me wonder if it went live early accidentally. WE'LL DO IT LIVE! FUCKING THING SUCKS!! |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 16:17:31 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed that there hasn't been a newswire or something about the format change. It makes me wonder if it went live early accidentally. My first thought was that it might be an update on Disqus's end, not the AVC's, but the neverending Newswire format counter-indicates that. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 9, 2017 16:18:51 GMT -5
I couldn't find the Comments button until I paused Adblock. Upon reloading an article, I was hit with:
1. A *gigantic* banner ad that took up half my browser window and had an auto-playing video
2. An auto-playing video in the sidebar for an AVC video feature
3. Another auto-playing video sidebar ad for THE EXACT SAME THING as the giant banner ad
All of that so I could see the awful new article/comment format that's deeply annoying to use?
Hell no. I'm done with the AVC now. This is just idiotic. The declining quality of the content nudged me most of the way there, then this garbage piece of web design and user-hostile advertising pushed me over the edge. I'm out.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 9, 2017 16:31:29 GMT -5
I'm kind of amazed that there hasn't been a newswire or something about the format change. It makes me wonder if it went live early accidentally. My first thought was that it might be an update on Disqus's end, not the AVC's, but the neverending Newswire format counter-indicates that. I'm on a few other sites that use Disqus and there are no changes there. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 16:35:20 GMT -5
I submitted a Newswire tip with a link to avclub.com/newswire, and the summary that "The AV Club Newswire appears to have publicly shat itself."
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Post by pairesta on Mar 9, 2017 16:50:26 GMT -5
I submitted a Newswire tip with a link to avclub.com/newswire, and the summary that "The AV Club Newswire appears to have publicly shat itself." EXTRY EXTRY |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 9, 2017 16:51:07 GMT -5
I couldn't find the Comments button until I paused Adblock. Upon reloading an article, I was hit with: 1. A *gigantic* banner ad that took up half my browser window and had an auto-playing video 2. An auto-playing video in the sidebar for an AVC video feature 3. Another auto-playing video sidebar ad for THE EXACT SAME THING as the giant banner ad All of that so I could see the awful new article/comment format that's deeply annoying to use? Hell no. I'm done with the AVC now. This is just idiotic. The declining quality of the content nudged me most of the way there, then this garbage piece of web design and user-hostile advertising pushed me over the edge. I'm out. If you turn on adblock again after you've used the comments button, it shows up afterwards. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Mar 9, 2017 18:59:22 GMT -5
It does appear that they finally posted a newswire about it. Also, I have adBlock set to "Allow some non-intrusive ads" and that seems to allow me to use the comments while also blocking the sort of things that would hang my browser. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 19:16:48 GMT -5
It does appear that they finally posted a newswire about it. Also, I have adBlock set to "Allow some non-intrusive ads" and that seems to allow me to use the comments while also blocking the sort of things that would hang my browser. I'm going to go ahead and say that Sean is really being an asshole about this. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 9, 2017 19:20:22 GMT -5
It does appear that they finally posted a newswire about it. Also, I have adBlock set to "Allow some non-intrusive ads" and that seems to allow me to use the comments while also blocking the sort of things that would hang my browser. I'm going to go ahead and say that Sean is really being an asshole about this. I think Sean flat-out doesn't like the commenters very much. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 19:22:52 GMT -5
I'm going to go ahead and say that Sean is really being an asshole about this. I think Sean flat-out doesn't like the commenters very much. God forbid anyone have fun on the site or try to engage with it. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 9, 2017 19:28:49 GMT -5
I think Sean flat-out doesn't like the commenters very much. God forbid anyone have fun on the site or try to engage with it. I think there's a reason Starwipe didn't have comments. Also, there's a reason Starwipe died. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Mar 9, 2017 19:32:09 GMT -5
It's always been a mixed bag when it comes to author-commenter relationships. Obviously, Rabin has really worked to cultivate his readership. TVDW (as we see here, on the Dissolve group, elsewhere) clearly interacts, and it appears from the Phipps/Tobias era that they really encouraged their writers to engage with the regulars. I think it's a large part why what we'd consider the "classic" period of the site took on such a glow for us.
Some writers still engage, but there is definitely a different vibe as to how it plays out. Sean may have never really been on board with the Phipps/Tobias/Rabin approach, not because he despises the comment section, but because he prefers to be left to his own work. For how confessional many of the pieces are for their individual writers, Sean has written very, very, very few of those. It's comes across as an overall personality thing.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 19:32:16 GMT -5
God forbid anyone have fun on the site or try to engage with it. I think there's a reason Starwipe didn't have comments. Also, there's a reason Starwipe died. It wasn't funny? And I'm sensitive to the fact that it sucks to be a prose-driven website. You've got to get people clicking on your articles, and if you can't get them to stay on your site after their done with that article, you really are fucked. But the condescension of this implementation is really something. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 9, 2017 19:53:21 GMT -5
It does appear that they finally posted a newswire about it. Also, I have adBlock set to "Allow some non-intrusive ads" and that seems to allow me to use the comments while also blocking the sort of things that would hang my browser. I'm going to go ahead and say that Sean is really being an asshole about this. Yeah, but it's Sean. Kinda his default setting, right? |
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Post by Pastafarian on Mar 9, 2017 19:57:08 GMT -5
And yet, I still can't upvote from my notifications page.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Mar 9, 2017 21:09:56 GMT -5
I just don't see WHY they thought they needed to make that change. But then again I know nothing about what works to get clicks nowadays, except for that it all seems to be awful.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 21:36:56 GMT -5
I just don't see WHY they thought they needed to make that change. But then again I know nothing about what works to get clicks nowadays, except for that it all seems to be awful. Look at it this way: the vaaaaaaaaaaast majority of AVC traffic comes from people clicking on links that they see on social media. Now, you and I, because we are intelligent people, often visit websites per se, and while we're there, we look around at various things. But social media visits aren't like that. A social media click-through arrives at the landing page, which probably opened in a new tab, reads the content, and goes back to Facebook. This is bad for the AVC in two ways: first, it means they only get ad revenue for a single page view, but second, and more insidiously, it increases the AVC's bounce rate, which means (I'm pretty sure) that the amount they can charge advertisers per page-view also goes down. Advertisers love low bounce rates. Switching to the endless scroll fixes both of these problems. Instead of arriving at a discrete end to the page and going back to Facebook, the mindless click-through hordes scroll down to the end of the article and immediately go to a new URL. Bingo! A second page-view! Plus the AVC's bounce-rate goes down! Did they want to see the new thing? Maybe not, but they did, and in online advertising that's all that matters. Even if they only get three lines into the new article before they quit, the AVC still doubled its ad revenue from their visit. Turning those millions of casual single-page viewers into multi-page viewers as efficiently as possible is essential, and that's what this does. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Mar 9, 2017 21:57:30 GMT -5
Switching to the endless scroll fixes both of these problems. Instead of arriving at a discrete end to the page and going back to Facebook, the mindless click-through hordes scroll down to the end of the article and immediately go to a new URL. Bingo! A second page-view! Plus the AVC's bounce-rate goes down! Did they want to see the new thing? Maybe not, but they did, and in online advertising that's all that matters. Even if they only get three lines into the new article before they quit, the AVC still doubled its ad revenue from their visit. Turning those millions of casual single-page viewers into multi-page viewers as efficiently as possible is essential, and that's what this does. Yet one more reason to hate Facebook. |
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Post by ๐ cahusserole ๐ on Mar 9, 2017 23:50:12 GMT -5
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 9, 2017 23:54:39 GMT -5
WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS SHIT.  |
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