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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 11, 2017 20:22:57 GMT -5
I think there's a reason Starwipe didn't have comments. Also, there's a reason Starwipe died. I just wanna make sure we are on the same page in the reason being starwipe was terrible and not funny. Nothing to do with not having comments. Starwipe was occasionally mildly amusing, but it wasn't a strong enough idea to sustain a website on its own. It might have worked as an occasional feature on The Onion or Clickhole. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:23:45 GMT -5
Remember the time before this when the AVC did a major redesign of their web page and a certain site was created for the commenters to go, that was a great site. Wondee what happened to it.....
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 20:40:14 GMT -5
"But when it comes to our more active daily readers, we recognize that not everybody loves this new layout (yet)"
Fuck off.
"And if you’re one of those commenters who doesn’t like to read the articles at all, now you have a button that allows you to do just that!"
That actually got put in an article? This ridiculously petty for someone to put in on an article addressing a website change. This all feels weirdly vindictive. Did AVC as a whole ever really give a shit about the community? Or is it just a handful of reviewers? Im starting to think the latter.
"we appreciate that so many of you care enough to comment and email us about it"
Clearly you don't. Not when you are banning people for daring to be critical (hey, like the major point of your website is criticism!) of the changes and are making snide comments towards the commenters in articles. Like this:
"And while we know the necessity for change (and the birthing pains that go with it) sometimes vexes them"
Vexes them..... like the commenters are just slow and can't really grasp why you would make change. Nah, they fucking realize pretty quickly why you made this change AVC. Because you want more page views and revenue. The only thing the commenters may have been slow on is that they thought you were better than something like this. That you actually gave a shit about being a user friendly website.
"we love our commenting community, which is still the best on the internet—in any format."
Now I just wanna puke.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 11, 2017 21:27:28 GMT -5
I just wanna make sure we are on the same page in the reason being starwipe was terrible and not funny. Nothing to do with not having comments. Starwipe was occasionally mildly amusing, but it wasn't a strong enough idea to sustain a website on its own. It might have worked as an occasional feature on The Onion or Clickhole. starwipe would have worked best as a twitter account that didn't have to try to squeeze whole articles out of one line jokes. |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 12, 2017 10:02:30 GMT -5
What was the O'Neal confessional piece? I totally missed it.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 12, 2017 11:50:19 GMT -5
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Post by dＬᵒ on Mar 12, 2017 19:45:18 GMT -5
If people are indeed being banned for complaining too much about the change, it's really going to remind me of the old days of SuicideGirls, making it extra ironic that O'Neal has the same first name as the dude who founded SG. Sean Gunn created suicide girls? 😮 |
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Post by ganews on Mar 12, 2017 20:03:07 GMT -5
Even before the layout change, I've found myself with little time for newswire. Perhaps I've been off the site for hours and have come back to an afternoon's worth of articles. Perhaps there were three interesting newswires in a row; I could click one at the end and use the article up/back buttons to change between. But with the new scrolling layout, those buttons are gone and no matter how old the newswire I choose, the newest one is behind it.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 13, 2017 13:45:52 GMT -5
So, I missed the new awfulness of the new Newswire commenting 'system'.
Anyone actually been able to load comments today on Chrome? Doesn't work at all for me, even if I whitelist TOC.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 13, 2017 13:49:40 GMT -5
So, I missed the new awfulness of the new Newswire commenting 'system'. Anyone actually been able to load comments today on Chrome? Doesn't work at all for me, even if I whitelist TOC. If you're using a disqus account, try using this link to access TOC: disqus.com/home/forum/avclub/If you're still on an AVC account, you're well and truly fucked. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 13, 2017 14:35:40 GMT -5
If you're still on an AVC account, you're well and truly fucked. So it has come to this... |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 13, 2017 14:42:18 GMT -5
If you're still on an AVC account, you're well and truly fucked. So it has come to this... As we all knew it would eventually. |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Mar 13, 2017 16:33:13 GMT -5
So, I missed the new awfulness of the new Newswire commenting 'system'. Anyone actually been able to load comments today on Chrome? Doesn't work at all for me, even if I whitelist TOC. I'm using Chrome with AdBlock (set to allow certain non-intrusive ads) and it works for me (in the sense that I can see the comments, although hardly any avatars, no notifications, and sometimes it brings up the comments to an entirely different article, altogether). |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 13, 2017 17:48:10 GMT -5
So, I missed the new awfulness of the new Newswire commenting 'system'. Anyone actually been able to load comments today on Chrome? Doesn't work at all for me, even if I whitelist TOC. I'm using Chrome with AdBlock (set to allow certain non-intrusive ads) and it works for me (in the sense that I can see the comments, although hardly any avatars, no notifications, and sometimes it brings up the comments to an entirely different article, altogether). "Sometimes it brings up the comments to an entirely different article." |
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Post by LazBro on Mar 14, 2017 0:39:14 GMT -5
No new Supper Club feature for over a week now. Did I miss it, or have they given this section the boot?
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Post by ComradePig on Mar 14, 2017 4:20:26 GMT -5
I'd be far more irritated about the change if I actually still felt the need to frequent the site on a regular basis. Every so often a good film or gaming article tumbles on out that I'll pop in for, but on whole I'm not really in a rush to comment on content that is, on average, a bit shit.
It's a shame of course that a thoughtful venue for discussing media is now proper dying out but given that the atrophy of the community and decline in site quality have been pretty noticeable for some time, I can't say I'm too surprised. In that sense I suppose it can't be helped that they're looking to reformat the site and draw revenue from elsewhere, because even to the extent commenters ever were part of the site's core readership, the days of there being a really robust commenter community are at least a few years in the past at this point.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 14, 2017 6:52:11 GMT -5
I'd be far more irritated about the change if I actually still felt the need to frequent the site on a regular basis. Every so often a good film or gaming article tumbles on out that I'll pop in for, but on whole I'm not really in a rush to comment on content that is, on average, a bit shit. It's a shame of course that a thoughtful venue for discussing media is now proper dying out but given that the atrophy of the community and decline in site quality have been pretty noticeable for some time, I can't say I'm too surprised. In that sense I suppose it can't be helped that they're looking to reformat the site and draw revenue from elsewhere, because even to the extent commenters ever were part of the site's core readership, the days of there being a really robust commenter community are at least a few years in the past at this point. Yes, and they killed it. |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 14, 2017 7:57:55 GMT -5
No new Supper Club feature for over a week now. Did I miss it, or have they given this section the boot? That story about the washing machine with the curry setting was listed as part of the supper club if you clicked the article. That feature goes in fits and starts though. We'll see, I guess. |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 14, 2017 8:00:03 GMT -5
If you're still on an AVC account, you're well and truly fucked. So it has come to this... I'm on an AVC account, using firefox. I had to disable all ad blocks and the in-house popup blocker for the comment tab to appear. Click on that, have a stroke at the new format, but now you can turn everything back on again and the comment tab will show up. Soon you'll be commenting on the wrong article and not knowing who you are replying to like the rest of us! |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 14, 2017 8:01:43 GMT -5
According to my notifications, I'm getting no replies or a great drop in replies/upvotes since the new system went in. And my comments are as incisive and witty as they always are, so it can't be me.
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Post by ganews on Mar 14, 2017 8:30:47 GMT -5
Well whaddya know, DallasDude71's firstie voicing the universal opinion about the new Disqus order of 2013 has been deleted. I went back to the article to gauge how large the comment community is when reacting to changes. The article announcing the 2013 redesign? Over 2700 comments. The Newswire announcing the new comment layout? Over 800 comments. Granted, it's probably not equivalent to compare a newswire to a front-feature. |
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Post by pairesta on Mar 14, 2017 8:36:26 GMT -5
Well whaddya know, DallasDude71's firstie voicing the universal opinion about the new Disqus order of 2013 has been deleted. I went back to the article to gauge how large the comment community is when reacting to changes. The article announcing the 2013 redesign? Over 2700 comments. The Newswire announcing the new comment layout? Over 800 comments. Granted, it's probably not equivalent to compare a newswire to a front-feature. To be fair, they used the new newswire format to announce the new format, so a sizeable percentage of commenters were probably voicing their opinion on it on the wrong article. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 14, 2017 10:21:28 GMT -5
Well whaddya know, DallasDude71's firstie voicing the universal opinion about the new Disqus order of 2013 has been deleted. I went back to the article to gauge how large the comment community is when reacting to changes. The article announcing the 2013 redesign? Over 2700 comments. The Newswire announcing the new comment layout? Over 800 comments. Granted, it's probably not equivalent to compare a newswire to a front-feature. And over the last few days the number of comments on Newswires has fallen even further. It's really a ghost town every time I've dropped by this week (which I haven't done much, because it's a ghost town.) |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 14, 2017 10:41:40 GMT -5
I honestly wonder if this is going to be the beginning of the end of the AV Club as a relevant website. The amount of decline it's had in just the last six months is kind of shocking.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Mar 14, 2017 10:48:14 GMT -5
I honestly wonder if this is going to be the beginning of the end of the AV Club as a relevant website. The amount of decline it's had in just the last six months is kind of shocking. That's what they get for not keeping Teti. |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 14, 2017 11:14:45 GMT -5
It’s funny going back to the first page of this thread and much of it’s about music reviews and Salman Rushdie. I’d gladly take those blunders now.
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Post by Lurky McLurk on Mar 14, 2017 11:37:53 GMT -5
There have been notable exceptions, but on the whole the staff, O'Neal in particular, has made no bones about the fact that they loathe the commentariat, even back in the "Golden Age" post-registration, pre-Disqus era. Well, maybe things have changed in the last four years, but he did once write this: Sean ONeal Staff Lurky McLurk. • 4 years ago Ah, that makes more sense. Thanks. Glad we have better commenters here than The Hollywood Reporter, South West News Service, Gawker, UPROXX, etc. This is the first place I've seen this story where someone's stepped in to clarify that. (Which I mainly remember because of the massive ego stroke). |
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Post by ganews on Mar 14, 2017 15:25:16 GMT -5
So now the front page tiled articles don't get category titles, AV Q&A, For Our Consideration, etc. I assume this is so that when they promote a more popular newswire to a tile, they can fool suckers into clicking on a newswire and scroll down into those sweet auto-pageviews.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 14, 2017 15:40:07 GMT -5
So now the front page tiled articles don't get category titles, AV Q&A, For Our Consideration, etc. I assume this is so that when they promote a more popular newswire to a tile, they can fool suckers into clicking on a newswire and scroll down into those sweet auto-pageviews. I'm still seeing them, though you don't see them when you visit from Disqus. |
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Post by ComradePig on Mar 14, 2017 17:41:41 GMT -5
So now the front page tiled articles don't get category titles, AV Q&A, For Our Consideration, etc. I assume this is so that when they promote a more popular newswire to a tile, they can fool suckers into clicking on a newswire and scroll down into those sweet auto-pageviews. Perhaps it's just not the name of the game anymore but it's mystifying how they intend to draw in return readers with an increasingly paltry selection of features and a commenting system for newswires that is straight garbage in terms of both user functionality and aesthetics. Sean is the only writer who routinely produces newswires of high quality and as such even when I do visit the site it's almost never to read that section anymore; and while there's been a few great features introduced recently (A History of Violence) it's not been enough to stem the overall trend towards feature decay. Snarky sites that provide updates on pop-culture news are a dime a dozen at this point, but AVC just seems to be trying to cling to life through stop-gap measures such as these rather than investing in content that is actually worth reading. I do sympathize on some level, the Dissolve had a great staff and worthwhile features galore, but ultimately the clicks and readership just weren't there to sustain the site financially, but the way to solve that dilemma is probably not to have no content beyond GJI and newswires. |
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