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Post by songstarliner on Oct 27, 2015 15:39:47 GMT -5
My least favorite thing about the ad bar at the bottom of the screen is that (on my tablet) the X to close is invariably on top of an ad in the side bar, so closing it opens an ad. Strikes me as a particularly lame way to generate clicks. If I scroll up or down carefully so as to position the X over a blank spot (not many of those left) I can close it just fine. But what a drag. This is why I don't bother trying to close the bottom ad bar. I concede defeat. The advertisers have beaten me. Don't give up! It's not defeat if you don't buy their crap. I think?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2015 15:40:42 GMT -5
Those things create a physical agitation in me. Like a hair stuck on my glasses, I keep trying to swat it away but can't. My company does web design, and we've A/B tested the crap out of static scroll features. Frustrating though they are, they do produce better goal conversion in nearly all cases. In our experience, like'em or not, they work. My favorite part is when I page down or up and then have to scroll up or down just a teeny bit to get to the next line of whatever I'm reading. That's an added bonus. I know it's a small thing, but HOLY CRAP does that irritate me.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Oct 27, 2015 15:45:38 GMT -5
My favorite part is when I page down or up and then have to scroll up or down just a teeny bit to get to the next line of whatever I'm reading. That's an added bonus. I know it's a small thing, but HOLY CRAP does that irritate me. It's really not a small thing, sites/advertisers are really shooting themselves in the foot with this stuff (again.) Stop giving people a reason to install ad-blockers just to make a site even quasi functional, we've reached another tipping point on this crap (and that's a rant for another thread but god I'm pretty glad I don't have to worry about that stuff anymore.)
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Post by Dellarigg on Oct 27, 2015 17:22:19 GMT -5
This is why I don't bother trying to close the bottom ad bar. I concede defeat. The advertisers have beaten me. Don't give up! It's not defeat if you don't buy their crap. I think? *squares shoulders, stands a little straighter*
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 27, 2015 18:18:32 GMT -5
I feel like there should be some sort of emergency notification system for when GJI isn't shitty. Like, I look at all the ones up there now and think "these are really shitty," but...what if I'm wrong?!
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 27, 2015 22:33:17 GMT -5
My least favorite thing about the ad bar at the bottom of the screen is that (on my tablet) the X to close is invariably on top of an ad in the side bar, so closing it opens an ad. Strikes me as a particularly lame way to generate clicks. If I scroll up or down carefully so as to position the X over a blank spot (not many of those left) I can close it just fine. But what a drag.IT Yes, this is what drives me crazy. It has increased my likelihood to yell at my computer or phone by at least 50%.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 28, 2015 7:03:59 GMT -5
total non functional kludge under a smooth gloss The AV Club
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 30, 2015 9:36:32 GMT -5
That really confused me. That's the most hate I've ever seen from an AVC writer.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 30, 2015 9:38:09 GMT -5
So GJI told us to Read This: an article about a gal going to a Bigfoot believers convention. Now, I like reading about weirdos and whackadoos, so I actually wanted to Read This. Only the article FORGETS TO INCLUDE A GODDAMN LINK. They link to the convention's website, and the reporter's Twitter, and the newspaper, but not the actual article. Ugh. Anyway, I did the research so you don't have to. And now you don't even need to click on that stupid waste of a GJI when you can read the real thing right here! Read This: flatheadbeacon.com/2015/10/28/bigfoot-believers/
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Oct 30, 2015 13:18:49 GMT -5
At this point, Wilkins reviewing Doctor Who is a strong contender: two straight As for episodes which even seasoned fans are having trouble with (and which I thought were appallingly bad, but that's secondary). Sure, subjectivity of opinion etc. But the A is supposed to be a rare gift for exceptional works. So, okay, I realize it's probably poor form to wade in here, but since I do lurk and occasionally post here, I just wanted to respond quickly. In what I hope is a nice, civil sort of way. Just a few quick things: 1. To call my reviewing the show one of AVC's biggest blunders based on the grades I give feels a bit ... incomplete? Like, surely the more important thing is how I review the show rather than what grade I give (and, more broadly, my reaction to it, which is indeed a subjective thing, and I'd argue it would be worse if I were theoretically talking myself out of particular reactions to better fit a critical consensus). Do my reviews feature analysis and commentary, or is it just fannish gushing? And I'll be super honest here and say that my season 7B reviews are not all that great. There's a lot of fannish gushing there. But I'd argue I improved a lot with the beginning of the Capaldi era. 2. Part of your critique rests on a less than glowing fan reaction, which may well be the case. Like, I know the A.I. scores for those two were 82 and 81, IIRC, which is still very good but a bit below that mid-80s sweet spot the show tends to be in at its best. (I also don't think A.I. is a good indicator of fan reaction, but still, that's a data point.) Yet if you just look at the A.V. Club's community grades, the response is overwhelmingly positive: I don't have the exact figures, but it looks like >90% of the 162 votes for "The Woman Who Lived" were A or A-, with the more common score being A, and the 193 who rated "The Girl Who Died" were probably >75% A and A-, with the rest being mostly B+ or B. Also, this is unscientific, but the comment sections for both episodes were way more positive than your typical Who episode. Maybe that's community-specific, but I think it's hard to say I'm really out of lockstep with the AVC fan consensus, or indeed the critical reaction more generally. Anyway, this isn't a big deal. We disagreed a lot on these two episodes, which is fine, and it's not as though you're actively calling for me to be taken off the reviews or anything, so I certainly don't mean to throw what little weight I may have around or whatever. But it's a bit difficult to read my reviewing Doctor Who is one of the AVC's biggest blunders and not take it a little personally, so I felt moved to offer this response... I will now close with an emoticon to confirm that, seriously, this is all meant with good will and high spirits.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 30, 2015 13:23:59 GMT -5
At this point, Wilkins reviewing Doctor Who is a strong contender: two straight As for episodes which even seasoned fans are having trouble with (and which I thought were appallingly bad, but that's secondary). Sure, subjectivity of opinion etc. But the A is supposed to be a rare gift for exceptional works. So, okay, I realize it's probably poor form to wade in here, but since I do lurk and occasionally post here, I just wanted to respond quickly. In what I hope is a nice, civil sort of way. Just a few quick things: 1. To call my reviewing the show one of AVC's biggest blunders based on the grades I give feels a bit ... incomplete? Like, surely the more important thing is how I review the show rather than what grade I give (and, more broadly, my reaction to it, which is indeed a subjective thing, and I'd argue it would be worse if I were theoretically talking myself out of particular reactions to better fit a critical consensus). Do my reviews feature analysis and commentary, or is it just fannish gushing? And I'll be super honest here and say that my season 7B reviews are not all that great. There's a lot of fannish gushing there. But I'd argue I improved a lot with the beginning of the Capaldi era. 2. Part of your critique rests on a less than glowing fan reaction, which may well be the case. Like, I know the A.I. scores for those two were 82 and 81, IIRC, which is still very good but a bit below that mid-80s sweet spot the show tends to be in at its best. (I also don't think A.I. is a good indicator of fan reaction, but still, that's a data point.) Yet if you just look at the A.V. Club's community grades, the response is overwhelmingly positive: I don't have the exact figures, but it looks like >90% of the 162 votes for "The Woman Who Lived" were A or A-, with the more common score being A, and the 193 who rated "The Girl Who Died" were probably >75% A and A-, with the rest being mostly B+ or B. Also, this is unscientific, but the comment sections for both episodes were way more positive than your typical Who episode. Maybe that's community-specific, but I think it's hard to say I'm really out of lockstep with the AVC fan consensus, or indeed the critical reaction more generally. Anyway, this isn't a big deal. We disagreed a lot on these two episodes, which is fine, and it's not as though you're actively calling for me to be taken off the reviews or anything, so I certainly don't mean to throw what little weight I may have around or whatever. But it's a bit difficult to read my reviewing Doctor Who is one of the AVC's biggest blunders and not take it a little personally, so I felt moved to offer this response... I will now close with an emoticon to confirm that, seriously, this is all meant with good will and high spirits. Hi Al... and yeah, that was a bit harsh of me. I was annoyed. Mea culpa. It really seems this season is Marmite for the fans - you either love it or hate it. Clearly, you love it. And that's your right as a critic and a fan. But, since you're here... what is the actual AVC criteria for an unqualified A these days? Is it still that it's a flawless or exemplary segment of that show? And would you honestly say those two episodes were actually flawless or exemplary if so?
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Oct 30, 2015 13:39:03 GMT -5
Hi Al... and yeah, that was a bit harsh of me. I was annoyed. Mea culpa. It really seems this season is Marmite for the fans - you either love it or hate it. Clearly, you love it. And that's your right as a critic and a fan. But, since you're here... what is the actual AVC criteria for an unqualified A these days? Is it still that it's a flawless or exemplary segment of that show? And would you honestly say those two episodes were actually flawless or exemplary if so? No worries, friend! I probably wouldn't have bothered responding if I didn't know we had been cordial in the past. I mean, we're both Stewart Lee fans! If we can't make it together in this world, what hope is there? So, there really isn't a lot of attention paid by editorial to the grades, per se. I don't actually remember the last time Erik sent out any specific guidance on them, and I think he more or less continues Todd's view that they're a necessary evil. The one thing we do try to keep in mind is that, as far as the A.V. Club is concerned a B- is the lowest recommendation, which means our grades perhaps look a bit inflated to those who assume the boundary line is somewhere in the C range. For my part, when I look at the A's I've given Doctor Who (and I think I can do this from memory) -- "Cold War," "The Time of the Doctor," "Listen," "Kill the Moon," "Mummy on the Orient Express," "Last Christmas," "The Girl Who Died," and "The Woman Who Lived" -- I'm not sure I'd call any of those flawless, though I will probably do nothing for your opinion of my critical faculties when I say "The Girl Who Died" is one of the two, along with "Last Christmas," that comes closest to that benchmark. For me, it's more about the response those episodes provoke; they feel vital or ambitious or some other vague thing ("Cold War" earns the "A" largely on the strength of its Spanish Inquisition levels of ruthless efficiency, narratively speaking), and I then try to contextualize that reaction through the review I write. That sense, though hard to pin down, is what makes them exemplary in my mind, and why I give out the "A." In a perfect world, I suppose I might like access to the A+, which I would give to maybe six or seven stories throughout the new series. Which I realize could also be accomplished by only giving out the A to those episodes and giving everything a cut below the A-. But, at least as far as grades are understood these days by the wider community, I think that would end up looking like I was underrating the episodes, at least relative to my actual reaction. So a more expansive A grade is where I land with that.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 30, 2015 14:16:47 GMT -5
Hi Al... and yeah, that was a bit harsh of me. I was annoyed. Mea culpa. It really seems this season is Marmite for the fans - you either love it or hate it. Clearly, you love it. And that's your right as a critic and a fan. But, since you're here... what is the actual AVC criteria for an unqualified A these days? Is it still that it's a flawless or exemplary segment of that show? And would you honestly say those two episodes were actually flawless or exemplary if so? No worries, friend! I probably wouldn't have bothered responding if I didn't know we had been cordial in the past. I mean, we're both Stewart Lee fans! If we can't make it together in this world, what hope is there? So, there really isn't a lot of attention paid by editorial to the grades, per se. I don't actually remember the last time Erik sent out any specific guidance on them, and I think he more or less continues Todd's view that they're a necessary evil. The one thing we do try to keep in mind is that, as far as the A.V. Club is concerned a B- is the lowest recommendation, which means our grades perhaps look a bit inflated to those who assume the boundary line is somewhere in the C range. For my part, when I look at the A's I've given Doctor Who (and I think I can do this from memory) -- "Cold War," "The Time of the Doctor," "Listen," "Kill the Moon," "Mummy on the Orient Express," "Last Christmas," "The Girl Who Died," and "The Woman Who Lived" -- I'm not sure I'd call any of those flawless, though I will probably do nothing for your opinion of my critical faculties when I say "The Girl Who Died" is one of the two, along with "Last Christmas," that comes closest to that benchmark. For me, it's more about the response those episodes provoke; they feel vital or ambitious or some other vague thing ("Cold War" earns the "A" largely on the strength of its Spanish Inquisition levels of ruthless efficiency, narratively speaking), and I then try to contextualize that reaction through the review I write. That sense, though hard to pin down, is what makes them exemplary in my mind, and why I give out the "A." In a perfect world, I suppose I might like access to the A+, which I would give to maybe six or seven stories throughout the new series. Which I realize could also be accomplished by only giving out the A to those episodes and giving everything a cut below the A-. But, at least as far as grades are understood these days by the wider community, I think that would end up looking like I was underrating the episodes, at least relative to my actual reaction. So a more expansive A grade is where I land with that. Thanks for answering so cordially! That... sort of clears up where you're coming from, and I do find it interesting that the guidance is less than specific. (The B- thing explains a lot about Dowd, for example!) We're going to have to agree to disagree about Who, clearly: not only do I think the last 2 episodes were weak, relied on Carrying The Idiot Ball from main characters (including The Doctor) and whatever ambition they had being thwarted by both bad exposition and worse dialogue, but I genuinely believe Moffatt should have left the show at least a season ago if not two. (And I find your very high rating of The Girl Who Died truly puzzling, but c'est la vie.) If I had my druthers, I'd set a 2 year maximum term for showrunners - both he and Rusty do seem to have burned out and resorted to (IMO) iffy storytelling after their first strong pair of seasons. But hey... I'm the kind of critic who once accused an author of wanting to commit genocide to further his ideal pagan worldview, so there's that! (And, if you ever get the chance to see Stew live, grab it with both hands: my wife & I saw him in a 70 seat village hall in North Yorkshire at the start of the year & he was amazing.)
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 30, 2015 20:54:49 GMT -5
Yay, Alasdair Wilkins! I'm always happy to see you here! Or anywhere really. Except the bushes outside of my house. I don't mind the concept, but you're ruining my hydrangeas!
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Oct 30, 2015 23:39:48 GMT -5
Yay, Alasdair Wilkins! I'm always happy to see you here! Or anywhere really. Except the bushes outside of my house. I don't mind the concept, but you're ruining my hydrangeas! Those hydrangeas are overwatered and you know it!
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 31, 2015 9:33:50 GMT -5
Yay, Alasdair Wilkins! I'm always happy to see you here! Or anywhere really. Except the bushes outside of my house. I don't mind the concept, but you're ruining my hydrangeas! Those hydrangeas are overwatered and you know it! So, a B-?
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 31, 2015 12:09:38 GMT -5
Yay, Alasdair Wilkins! I'm always happy to see you here! Or anywhere really. Except the bushes outside of my house. I don't mind the concept, but you're ruining my hydrangeas! Those hydrangeas are overwatered and you know it! Paint my fence!
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Oct 31, 2015 12:59:31 GMT -5
Those hydrangeas are overwatered and you know it! Paint my fence! Maybe I would if your blintzes weren't so terrible!
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Oct 31, 2015 13:00:39 GMT -5
Those hydrangeas are overwatered and you know it! So, a B-? Yeah, but that one hydrangea said that one thing it says in damn near every episode, so a bunch of commenters are going to insist it should get an automatic B+ for that alone.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 31, 2015 13:39:37 GMT -5
Yeah, but that one hydrangea said that one thing it says in damn near every episode, so a bunch of commenters are going to insist it should get an automatic B+ for that alone. I wish I'd had a college class where a clip of Ron Swanson giggling got an automatic full grade extra credit. Because, let's face it, Ron Swanson giggling deserves extra credit.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 31, 2015 14:20:51 GMT -5
Maybe I would if your blintzes weren't so terrible! I'll be honest, I didn't even know what a blintz was until this episode. I make great monkey bread, though. That an acceptable substitute?
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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 31, 2015 14:45:44 GMT -5
For me, Fan Up was the beginning of the end (the end of the end was a Newswire comments section following the Charlie Hebdo murders). I can't call that a blunder necessarily, though, just a parting of the ways. I guess for me, the fact that I arrived at the AVC relatively late was sort of an advantage. For me, it's always been primarily a place where I can shoot the shit during work and make puns, with the possibility of occasionally engaging in an interesting discussion as an added bonus. But if I had been there, initially, for the serious discussions, I could see the direction the comments have taken as a reason to leave. And, as a religious person, I already have enough of a remove from a few of the discussions that happen there anyway that seeing a comment thread I don't want to participate in on another subject is just part of the deal. The advantage of talking to people I don't know is that if they're talking about something I don't care for, I can just ignore it.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 31, 2015 18:57:20 GMT -5
For me, Fan Up was the beginning of the end (the end of the end was a Newswire comments section following the Charlie Hebdo murders). I can't call that a blunder necessarily, though, just a parting of the ways. I guess for me, the fact that I arrived at the AVC relatively late was sort of an advantage. For me, it's always been primarily a place where I can shoot the shit during work and make puns, with the possibility of occasionally engaging in an interesting discussion as an added bonus. But if I had been there, initially, for the serious discussions, I could see the direction the comments have taken as a reason to leave. And, as a religious person, I already have enough of a remove from a few of the discussions that happen there anyway that seeing a comment thread I don't want to participate in on another subject is just part of the deal. The advantage of talking to people I don't know is that if they're talking about something I don't care for, I can just ignore it. The AV Club I can just ignore it
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Post by Tellyfier on Nov 4, 2015 9:50:52 GMT -5
Don't know if blunder or the Old Country is becoming a bit too self-aware:
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Post by ganews on Nov 4, 2015 11:06:39 GMT -5
Don't know if blunder or the Old Country is becoming a bit too self-aware: That was a well-done review, though. Even if it did take 11.5 hours to post. That's 23 times the actual length of the show including commercials, folks. Does it take that long for the show writers to put together 22 minutes?
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Post by swagonion on Nov 4, 2015 14:49:27 GMT -5
So, okay, I realize it's probably poor form to wade in here, but since I do lurk and occasionally post here, I just wanted to respond quickly. In what I hope is a nice, civil sort of way. Just a few quick things: 1. To call my reviewing the show one of AVC's biggest blunders based on the grades I give feels a bit ... incomplete? Like, surely the more important thing is how I review the show rather than what grade I give (and, more broadly, my reaction to it, which is indeed a subjective thing, and I'd argue it would be worse if I were theoretically talking myself out of particular reactions to better fit a critical consensus). Do my reviews feature analysis and commentary, or is it just fannish gushing? And I'll be super honest here and say that my season 7B reviews are not all that great. There's a lot of fannish gushing there. But I'd argue I improved a lot with the beginning of the Capaldi era. 2. Part of your critique rests on a less than glowing fan reaction, which may well be the case. Like, I know the A.I. scores for those two were 82 and 81, IIRC, which is still very good but a bit below that mid-80s sweet spot the show tends to be in at its best. (I also don't think A.I. is a good indicator of fan reaction, but still, that's a data point.) Yet if you just look at the A.V. Club's community grades, the response is overwhelmingly positive: I don't have the exact figures, but it looks like >90% of the 162 votes for "The Woman Who Lived" were A or A-, with the more common score being A, and the 193 who rated "The Girl Who Died" were probably >75% A and A-, with the rest being mostly B+ or B. Also, this is unscientific, but the comment sections for both episodes were way more positive than your typical Who episode. Maybe that's community-specific, but I think it's hard to say I'm really out of lockstep with the AVC fan consensus, or indeed the critical reaction more generally. Anyway, this isn't a big deal. We disagreed a lot on these two episodes, which is fine, and it's not as though you're actively calling for me to be taken off the reviews or anything, so I certainly don't mean to throw what little weight I may have around or whatever. But it's a bit difficult to read my reviewing Doctor Who is one of the AVC's biggest blunders and not take it a little personally, so I felt moved to offer this response... I will now close with an emoticon to confirm that, seriously, this is all meant with good will and high spirits. Hi Al... and yeah, that was a bit harsh of me. I was annoyed. Mea culpa. It really seems this season is Marmite for the fans - you either love it or hate it. Clearly, you love it. And that's your right as a critic and a fan. But, since you're here... what is the actual AVC criteria for an unqualified A these days? Is it still that it's a flawless or exemplary segment of that show? And would you honestly say those two episodes were actually flawless or exemplary if so? The reason AVC doesn't use A+ is because it's meant to be the "flawless, perfect" grade, and nothing can be that. I think it was a policy stolen from '90s Entertainment Weekly, of all things. So A has never meant flawless or exemplary. It literally just means "one of the best episodes the show will ever produce," which could mean a lot of things! Thus, an A episode of Glee is very different from an A episode of Breaking Bad.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 4, 2015 15:21:33 GMT -5
Hi Al... and yeah, that was a bit harsh of me. I was annoyed. Mea culpa. It really seems this season is Marmite for the fans - you either love it or hate it. Clearly, you love it. And that's your right as a critic and a fan. But, since you're here... what is the actual AVC criteria for an unqualified A these days? Is it still that it's a flawless or exemplary segment of that show? And would you honestly say those two episodes were actually flawless or exemplary if so? The reason AVC doesn't use A+ is because it's meant to be the "flawless, perfect" grade, and nothing can be that. I think it was a policy stolen from '90s Entertainment Weekly, of all things. So A has never meant flawless or exemplary. It literally just means "one of the best episodes the show will ever produce," which could mean a lot of things! Thus, an A episode of Glee is very different from an A episode of Breaking Bad. Except for Over The Garden Wall! Don't pretend that didn't happen!
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Post by swagonion on Nov 4, 2015 16:09:34 GMT -5
The reason AVC doesn't use A+ is because it's meant to be the "flawless, perfect" grade, and nothing can be that. I think it was a policy stolen from '90s Entertainment Weekly, of all things. So A has never meant flawless or exemplary. It literally just means "one of the best episodes the show will ever produce," which could mean a lot of things! Thus, an A episode of Glee is very different from an A episode of Breaking Bad. Except for Over The Garden Wall! Don't pretend that didn't happen! I wasn't around for that. But because TV Club employs so many freelancers, they often don't know about the prohibition against A+ (which is still stupidly available in the CMS). We also used it, very briefly, for TV Club Classic, but in a different context than "perfect." Instead, it meant, "The best episode the show ever did." Then a random Curb Your Enthusiasm got an A+, and the practice ended altogether.
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Post by songstarliner on Nov 4, 2015 16:16:54 GMT -5
Over the Garden Wall is A+ material all the way. It's out on dvd now .......
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