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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 4, 2015 16:30:06 GMT -5
Except for Over The Garden Wall! Don't pretend that didn't happen! I wasn't around for that. But because TV Club employs so many freelancers, they often don't know about the prohibition against A+ (which is still stupidly available in the CMS). We also used it, very briefly, for TV Club Classic, but in a different context than "perfect." Instead, it meant, "The best episode the show ever did." Then a random Curb Your Enthusiasm got an A+, and the practice ended altogether. Yeah, we all knew it was going to get corrected down to an A. But we enjoyed it while it lasted! |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 4, 2015 16:35:32 GMT -5
I think there's definitely a place for A+ but it should be handed out maybe once every 2-3 years, and require a vote by the editorial staff. As a classical music reviewer I luckily don't have to worry about grades or star ratings anymore - we force the readers to read the darn article, which is wonderful! - but back in the days when I was required to work with a star rating system for the newspaper, I gave out 1 5-star review in 50 tries. That was a deliberate tactic to draw reader attention to it - an AVC grade of A or in my career a rating of 4.5 stars was a way of saying "hey, everybody, read/hear/see this!!", but an A+ or 5 star adds a special level of advocacy. It's "I'm using all my professional credentials, and all the trust you may have built up with me, to advocate for this in the strongest possible way."
Maybe that IS harder with a crew of random freelancers, because that long-term reader-writer relationship doesn't exist. So if there was a system where, say, Ignatiy and A.A. Dowd and Donna Bowman* could give out A+ with the assent of 2-3 colleagues, but Joe Randomguy could not, then the AVC could use the A+ as a valuable tool, rather than a mythological beast.
P.S. "Ozymandias".
*EDIT: before her departure, obviously. See: "Ozymandias"
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 4, 2015 16:35:09 GMT -5
If anything deserved an A+, it was “Palestinian Chicken.”
Palestinian chicken in general does, too.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 4, 2015 21:07:40 GMT -5
Over the Garden Wall definitely deserved an A+.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 6, 2015 15:36:52 GMT -5
This is almost an AVC heresy, but: are we in a golden age of interviews? Because I thought Teti's Mom vs. Nathan Fielder was my favorite AVC article ever, but the Norman Lloyd Random Roles is just about ready to take the crown. And I'm not even through the (glorious) Chaplin tennis story yet.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Nov 6, 2015 17:42:32 GMT -5
The Norman Lloyd Random Roles is just about ready to take the crown. ; this is the first I've heard of it. What is he, like 100? |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 6, 2015 17:45:10 GMT -5
The Norman Lloyd Random Roles is just about ready to take the crown. ; this is the first I've heard of it. What is he, like 100? He turns 101 on Sunday. It's essential reading. |
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Post by swagonion on Nov 7, 2015 14:35:45 GMT -5
I think there's definitely a place for A+ but it should be handed out maybe once every 2-3 years, and require a vote by the editorial staff. As a classical music reviewer I luckily don't have to worry about grades or star ratings anymore - we force the readers to read the darn article, which is wonderful! - but back in the days when I was required to work with a star rating system for the newspaper, I gave out 1 5-star review in 50 tries. That was a deliberate tactic to draw reader attention to it - an AVC grade of A or in my career a rating of 4.5 stars was a way of saying "hey, everybody, read/hear/see this!!", but an A+ or 5 star adds a special level of advocacy. It's "I'm using all my professional credentials, and all the trust you may have built up with me, to advocate for this in the strongest possible way." Maybe that IS harder with a crew of random freelancers, because that long-term reader-writer relationship doesn't exist. So if there was a system where, say, Ignatiy and A.A. Dowd and Donna Bowman* could give out A+ with the assent of 2-3 colleagues, but Joe Randomguy could not, then the AVC could use the A+ as a valuable tool, rather than a mythological beast. P.S. "Ozymandias". *EDIT: before her departure, obviously. See: "Ozymandias" Because of how TV Club is assembled (i.e., written in a blind panic after the episode airs), it would be tough to implement this system. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Nov 7, 2015 16:33:33 GMT -5
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Nov 9, 2015 22:39:28 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's one of the biggest blunders, but The Leftovers review today was the first time an extremely positive review from the AV Club has actually made me less inclined to want to watch a show. When your review has me thinking "is the writer being sexually pleasured and/or bribed by The Leftovers?" rather than "boy, I should watch The Leftovers!" you're doing something wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 11:15:18 GMT -5
A Hatesong about a Taylor Swift song has to qualify as a reverse-blunder, if only for the undercurrent of awkwardness permeating the whole thing.
"Emily Heller: Really? That’s interesting. Wait, you like this song?
Marah Eakin: I don’t know."
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Post by Powerthirteen on Nov 12, 2015 11:37:23 GMT -5
Hatesong is, in general, a terrible idea, not least because it encourages its participants to have opinions as clickbait-y as possible. This one is no exception.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Nov 12, 2015 14:16:15 GMT -5
A Hatesong about a Taylor Swift song has to qualify as a reverse-blunder, if only for the undercurrent of awkwardness permeating the whole thing. "Emily Heller: Really? That’s interesting. Wait, you like this song? Marah Eakin: I don’t know." I fucking cracked up at that bit. |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 12, 2015 15:17:02 GMT -5
I think my disappointment with the Hatesong feature is summed up by this one.
I hate that Taylor Swift song too. And I have uncomfortably personal memories of a girl trying to get me to date her by singing that song to me. (Subtle, right?) But at the end of the interview, the sum total of its content seemed to basically be, "Somebody else hates it too."
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2015 15:36:41 GMT -5
Over the Garden Wall is A+ material all the way. It's out on dvd now ....... only on DVD though, so B - for minus the Blu-ray. Seriously CN, I was so close to buying that even though I still have never seen it, but then I noticed it was DVD. ANIMATION NEEDS BLU-RAY! You show the damn thing in HD but don't sell it? Come on now. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2015 22:57:25 GMT -5
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO THE COMMENTS WHAT THE HELL  |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Nov 17, 2015 0:22:33 GMT -5
WHAT THE HELL IS THIS WHAT HAVE THEY DONE TO THE COMMENTS WHAT THE HELL Is this the thing where your avatar disappears? I haven't been on in several hours and worry what I'll find. Off now! *skips, whistles* |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 17, 2015 1:38:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I think we’re officially irrelevant to the site now. Now that it’s click-to-comments I think this essentially kills off the big community features, too.
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Post by ganews on Nov 17, 2015 7:47:41 GMT -5
It seems that the click-to-comment thing is only for the Star Wars Week articles. Too bad, I would have enjoyed commenting on those, but at least it's only those. I couldn't get to comments at all on my phone this morning.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 17, 2015 8:19:31 GMT -5
Had the same reaction and came screaming over here. What the hell??
Seriously, web design is NOT this hard. Make a page, put an article on it, put some ads around it. Enough with this "scroll articles" and "comments are popups" bullshit.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 17, 2015 8:34:09 GMT -5
It seems that the click-to-comment thing is only for the Star Wars Week articles. Too bad, I would have enjoyed commenting on those, but at least it's only those. I couldn't get to comments at all on my phone this morning. That's why I'm hoping it's just for the Star Wars articles. Though I can't come up with a logical reason why they'd do that. |
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Post by Invisible Goat on Nov 17, 2015 8:37:33 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if they just used this system for one themed week and then never again. Probably a test run.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Nov 17, 2015 8:45:17 GMT -5
It seems that the click-to-comment thing is only for the Star Wars Week articles. I actually wanted to read the comments on the Red Tails article, as my co-worker said it was terrible and the article at least made an interesting case as to why it would be worth watching, if not necessarily good. |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 17, 2015 8:45:45 GMT -5
Maybe time for those who can brave the comments to post some reminders about how everybody can find us at the TI forum.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 9:04:14 GMT -5
I'd be very surprised if they just used this system for one themed week and then never again. Probably a test run. That was exactly my thought/worry. This feels like a test of something they're planning for a future design change. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Nov 17, 2015 9:58:58 GMT -5
...I actually kinda like the new comments. They load so much smoother! I can't tell you how many times the old system just straight up wouldn't load
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Post by ganews on Nov 17, 2015 10:58:48 GMT -5
On Twitter @onionproduct responded and confirmed that it was only for theme weeks. At least we know now where to complain.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 11:49:51 GMT -5
Maybe time for those who can brave the comments to post some reminders about how everybody can find us at the TI forum.
The 11th tradition of the TI states that our public relations policy is based on attraction rather than promotion. We need always maintain personal anonymity at the level of press, radio and films.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Nov 17, 2015 12:39:47 GMT -5
Not to take away from the general negative trends present at the Old Country, but Matt Crowley's Malcolm in the Middle article is a nice distraction (and we can comment on it and everything!).
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Post by idiotking on Nov 17, 2015 12:51:17 GMT -5
Getting involved in a land war in asia.
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