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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2015 15:21:56 GMT -5
Getting involved in a land war in asia. Never go in against a Sicilian when DEATH is on the line! AHAHAHAHA! AHAHAHA! AHAHA...*thump*
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 18, 2015 0:00:22 GMT -5
Maybe time for those who can brave the comments to post some reminders about how everybody can find us at the TI forum. I plan on doing so when I make my post on the Tolerability Index tomorrow!
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Post by swagonion on Nov 18, 2015 13:04:24 GMT -5
On Twitter @onionproduct responded and confirmed that it was only for theme weeks. At least we know now where to complain. Looking a little more closely at this, it appears to be a sponsored ad buy, which would suggest Duracell has particular traffic targets the ads team has promised they'll hit. Judging from how well most of these articles are doing, they don't need the help, but switching from comments popping up to the infinite scroll favored by so many sites nowadays helps with that. Or put another way: I'm guessing they'll only haul out this particular design for sponsored buys. They're less dependent on comments than they used to be but probably don't want to alienate their core readers too much.
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Post by ganews on Nov 18, 2015 15:53:51 GMT -5
On Twitter @onionproduct responded and confirmed that it was only for theme weeks. At least we know now where to complain. Looking a little more closely at this, it appears to be a sponsored ad buy, which would suggest Duracell has particular traffic targets the ads team has promised they'll hit. Judging from how well most of these articles are doing, they don't need the help, but switching from comments popping up to the infinite scroll favored by so many sites nowadays helps with that. Or put another way: I'm guessing they'll only haul out this particular design for sponsored buys. They're less dependent on comments than they used to be but probably don't want to alienate their core readers too much. You make me sad. Come along, Patsy.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Nov 18, 2015 16:14:36 GMT -5
switching from comments popping up to the infinite scroll favored by so many sites nowadays helps with that. So is the infinite scroll, in general, a way of inflating ad revenues? Maybe by claiming, if somebody scrolls down too far, that it's a new page view? (Question open to all web-savvy TIers, not trying to interrogate you.)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 18:11:53 GMT -5
"We love the new Justin Bieber album, and here's why you should, too!"
Music coverage at TOC has gone 270% full Top 40 manufactured pop centric. :/
Perhaps, along with the "Star Wars prequels are actually good!," this is a secret Terrible Opinions Week theme.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 18, 2015 21:58:31 GMT -5
On Twitter @onionproduct responded and confirmed that it was only for theme weeks. At least we know now where to complain. Looking a little more closely at this, it appears to be a sponsored ad buy, which would suggest Duracell has particular traffic targets the ads team has promised they'll hit. Judging from how well most of these articles are doing, they don't need the help, but switching from comments popping up to the infinite scroll favored by so many sites nowadays helps with that. Or put another way: I'm guessing they'll only haul out this particular design for sponsored buys. They're less dependent on comments than they used to be but probably don't want to alienate their core readers too much. As long as they aren't on all articles or the majority of them, I'll be alright. I wouldn't even bother to comment on anything using that system.
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Post by pairesta on Nov 19, 2015 10:36:07 GMT -5
So I've noticed that if you get to an article early enough, they have the standard comments format. Then later in the morning it switches to the new (horrible) format of popup comment box and infinite scroll. It was that way with the Run the Series this morning, and then the Inventory for yesterday did it that way, too.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 19, 2015 21:52:33 GMT -5
So I've noticed that if you get to an article early enough, they have the standard comments format. Then later in the morning it switches to the new (horrible) format of popup comment box and infinite scroll. It was that way with the Run the Series this morning, and then the Inventory for yesterday did it that way, too. This lends further credence to my paranoia that they'll convert the whole site to that format eventually.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Nov 19, 2015 23:43:18 GMT -5
"We love the new Justin Bieber album, and here's why you should, too!" Music coverage at TOC has gone 270% full Top 40 manufactured pop centric. :/ Perhaps, along with the "Star Wars prequels are actually good!," this is a secret Terrible Opinions Week theme. I'm all for rejecting the idea that pop music sucks or is "inauthentic," but sometimes shitty music is just shitty music, and the whole clickbait routine of "[widely maligned artist or song]* is actually the greatest thing ever" is getting really goddamn old. *bonus points if it's a female artist, 'cause then you can throw in some pandering faux-feminism and imply that the people who don't like her are sexist!
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 19, 2015 23:56:32 GMT -5
I wouldn't say it's one of the biggest blunders, but The Leftovers review today was the first time an extremely positive review from the AV Club has actually made me less inclined to want to watch a show. When your review has me thinking "is the writer being sexually pleasured and/or bribed by The Leftovers?" rather than "boy, I should watch The Leftovers!" you're doing something wrong. Wouldn't be the first time a Leftovers review was an OC blunder.
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Post by Lemminkainen on Nov 19, 2015 23:59:38 GMT -5
On Twitter @onionproduct responded and confirmed that it was only for theme weeks. At least we know now where to complain. Oh thank god, I would have called it quits if the new comments were permanent.
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Nov 20, 2015 0:43:37 GMT -5
So I've noticed that if you get to an article early enough, they have the standard comments format. Then later in the morning it switches to the new (horrible) format of popup comment box and infinite scroll. It was that way with the Run the Series this morning, and then the Inventory for yesterday did it that way, too. This lends further credence to my paranoia that they'll convert the whole site to that format eventually. I have *zero* inside knowledge here, but in the interest of allaying fear (especially yours, what with us being internet buds and all), wouldn't the Inventory and the Run the Series referred to here be the Star Wars ones, and thus part of the theme week for which Duracell did the ad buy for? So pretty sure this remains all under the umbrella of the one specific theme week, which as Todd outlined, is one area where doing something like that would make sense. I don't really see a scenario where you'd get the same value or organizational logic out of doing that with WOT or TV Club or whatever else when it's one self-contained article. But, again ... zero inside knowledge. Just saying I'm pretty sure what Pairesta noted still falls under the one themed thing Onion Product has said is specifically used for this purpose.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Nov 20, 2015 1:02:01 GMT -5
This lends further credence to my paranoia that they'll convert the whole site to that format eventually. I have *zero* inside knowledge here, but in the interest of allaying fear (especially yours, what with us being internet buds and all), wouldn't the Inventory and the Run the Series referred to here be the Star Wars ones, and thus part of the theme week for which Duracell did the ad buy for? So pretty sure this remains all under the umbrella of the one specific theme week, which as Todd outlined, is one area where doing something like that would make sense. I don't really see a scenario where you'd get the same value or organizational logic out of doing that with WOT or TV Club or whatever else when it's one self-contained article. But, again ... zero inside knowledge. Just saying I'm pretty sure what Pairesta noted still falls under the one themed thing Onion Product has said is specifically used for this purpose. Oh, d'oh, I didn't even notice that detail. I am SMRT. That IS reassuring, Internet Friend!
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Post by pairesta on Nov 20, 2015 10:22:12 GMT -5
So I'm sure we've all noticed this, but Teti just posted that there's a live chat with him today at 2pm CST. Now of course my inner pessimist is freaking out that he's going to use the occasion to announce another format change, or that Onion, Inc was bought by TMZ or some such. But, hey, he's offering to be more regularly accessible to us so that'd be as good a time as any to clear up this comment box issue.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 20, 2015 10:35:58 GMT -5
So I'm sure we've all noticed this, but Teti just posted that there's a live chat with him today at 2pm CST. Now of course my inner pessimist is freaking out that he's going to use the occasion to announce another format change, or that Onion, Inc was bought by TMZ or some such. But, hey, he's offering to be more regularly accessible to us so that'd be as good a time as any to clear up this comment box issue. What's the over/under on how many people ask about if they're going to keep the Star Wars commenting format? 300? The rest will be complaints about Great Job, Internet!, I imagine.
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Post by ganews on Nov 20, 2015 11:10:25 GMT -5
So I'm sure we've all noticed this, but Teti just posted that there's a live chat with him today at 2pm CST. Now of course my inner pessimist is freaking out that he's going to use the occasion to announce another format change, or that Onion, Inc was bought by TMZ or some such. But, hey, he's offering to be more regularly accessible to us so that'd be as good a time as any to clear up this comment box issue. I intend to suggest that Coming Distractions be re-integrated into the Newswire instead of a separate feature hidden far down the front page.
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Post by pairesta on Nov 20, 2015 13:04:31 GMT -5
I have *zero* inside knowledge here, but in the interest of allaying fear (especially yours, what with us being internet buds and all), wouldn't the Inventory and the Run the Series referred to here be the Star Wars ones, and thus part of the theme week for which Duracell did the ad buy for? So pretty sure this remains all under the umbrella of the one specific theme week, which as Todd outlined, is one area where doing something like that would make sense. I don't really see a scenario where you'd get the same value or organizational logic out of doing that with WOT or TV Club or whatever else when it's one self-contained article. But, again ... zero inside knowledge. Just saying I'm pretty sure what Pairesta noted still falls under the one themed thing Onion Product has said is specifically used for this purpose. Oh, d'oh, I didn't even notice that detail. I am SMRT. That IS reassuring, Internet Friend! Yeah, I wasn't clear in my post. Any Star Wars feature the past three days (including today's ask the avclub) starts with normal comments, then switches to box comments.
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Post by Hawkguy on Nov 20, 2015 13:54:34 GMT -5
So I'm sure we've all noticed this, but Teti just posted that there's a live chat with him today at 2pm CST. Now of course my inner pessimist is freaking out that he's going to use the occasion to announce another format change, or that Onion, Inc was bought by TMZ or some such. But, hey, he's offering to be more regularly accessible to us so that'd be as good a time as any to clear up this comment box issue. What's the over/under on how many people ask about if they're going to keep the Star Wars commenting format? 300? The rest will be complaints about Great Job, Internet!, I imagine. Imma talk fashion with em!
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Post by Ben Grimm on Nov 20, 2015 14:17:51 GMT -5
Imma talk fashion with em!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2015 15:19:30 GMT -5
Teti upvoted my comment about being sad the music department's so lacking and he specifically called it out as a department he wants to pay more attention to, so there's that. Maybe - maybe - I can still believe in a place...called Hope.
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Post by pairesta on Nov 20, 2015 16:28:23 GMT -5
Well it was already 800 strong by the time I got there. But I am impressed with the gesture on John's part and his well-thought out explanations. Good on him.
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Post by ganews on Nov 30, 2015 8:00:36 GMT -5
I see Alston is now putting up reviews for The Leftovers immediately after it airs, which means he does in fact have mid-season screeners, which mean the delays on the first half of the season's reviews just confuses me further.
Formerly I wasn't been reading them because they were so late; now I may continue to avoid them so that I don't get sucked into beema's trolling.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Nov 30, 2015 12:26:59 GMT -5
I see Alston is now putting up reviews for The Leftovers immediately after it airs, which means he does in fact have mid-season screeners, which mean the delays on the first half of the season's reviews just confuses me further. Formerly I wasn't been reading them because they were so late; now I may continue to avoid them so that I don't get sucked into beema's trolling. He also does "Nathan for You" and a similar thing has happened. They used to go up the next morning at the earliest when he did them, but a few weeks ago he announced that he was formally taking over the beat for Teti and they started showing up immediately after air. Maybe they can only send screeners to one designated reviewer at a time or something?
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Post by firstbasemanwho on Dec 8, 2015 17:48:06 GMT -5
Is it too soon to mention today's Hear This/Hatesong* on Sinatra. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but it still seems pretty misguided. This and last weeks Beatles article just emphasize how lame the music writing has gotten.
*Add me to the chorus of those who don't like Hatesong. I could care less what some Grade-Z "comic" thinks about some piece of '90s shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 17:11:36 GMT -5
That article is laughably bad. I don't even particularly care about Frank Sinatra, but come on.
Her complaint is basically "Sinatra's voice is too good and smarmy, so it lacks character and is bad," which is completely contradictory and makes no sense.
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Post by firstbasemanwho on Dec 10, 2015 13:05:41 GMT -5
Yuri Petrovitch I’d agree, though I don’t think it’s so much an issue with AVC articles as it is with the commenters. Whenever I visit it’s just a ton of bitter people lashing out about some injustice in the world or some new thing they’ve all decided to dislike (and the list of things is long, and usually filtered through some sort of inscrutable reverse-classism). It’s just no fun to go off-topic anymore: one usually ends up with an airing of grievances rather than irreverent humor. I mostly stick to community features, some of the reviews, the more interesting GJI’s (it’s easy to spot which will and won’t actually live up to the name), and Hear/Watch This, of all things, though the AVC now runs during my workday (not the evening, like when I was in Europe) so I’m not there as much anymore anyway. This is exactly how am beginning to feel sometimes. I still enjoy the A.V. Club but the smug cynicism of the comments gets really grating. The thing is, I'm unemployed and have no social life, so I'm left browsing the internet all day so I'm probably taking this more seriously than I should.
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Post by firstbasemanwho on Dec 10, 2015 15:30:09 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't mean to keep replying to months-old posts, but I found this discussion to be really cathartic. Reading the Lennon/Douglas GJI from a couple days ago (I know I shouldn't have) and the commenters seem to have such a hate boner for Lennon that the rest of the world doesn't have or at least didn't use to have. Lennon was violent towards women in his younger days but he was apologetic and resentful of it in later interviews. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it is a little tiring about how AVClubbers tend to get on their high horse if a celebrity said or did something bad (with the exception of Cosby and a few other creeps) or disagree politically or religiously. Separate art from the artist or miss out on a lot of great art. Again sorry for dredging up an old discussion, I just needed to get it off my chest. HODOR!
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Dec 10, 2015 15:36:13 GMT -5
That article is laughably bad. I don't even particularly care about Frank Sinatra, but come on.Her complaint is basically "Sinatra's voice is too good and smarmy, so it lacks character and is bad," which is completely contradictory and makes no sense. Now, Michael Buble's an example where I think that a voice "is too good and smarmy, so it lacks character and is bad." But I think that in comparison to people like Sinatra. You can make that complaint if a singer doesn't really know how to "act" the words he's singing. Like, I think Buble is phenomenal at the art of sounding good, but he's not very good at getting the meaning of the words across. My mom collects all of his albums and there are definitely songs with heartbreaking lyrics where it still sounds as if he's winking at you and dashingly throwing his top hat offstage. Something about his sound says, "I'm not being sincere." Now having said that...you need to articulate that criticism coherently. And you especially need to be careful with your argument, if the target is one of the 5-10 most famous singers ever. And you certainly cannot equate having a good voice with being inauthentic, because some of the most heartfelt singers ever have had really great singing voices (e.g. Nina).
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Post by Dellarigg on Dec 10, 2015 17:43:28 GMT -5
Sorry, I don't mean to keep replying to months-old posts, but I found this discussion to be really cathartic. Reading the Lennon/Douglas GJI from a couple days ago (I know I shouldn't have) and the commenters seem to have such a hate boner for Lennon that the rest of the world doesn't have or at least didn't use to have. Lennon was violent towards women in his younger days but he was apologetic and resentful of it in later interviews. I guess what I'm trying to say is, it is a little tiring about how AVClubbers tend to get on their high horse if a celebrity said or did something bad (with the exception of Cosby and a few other creeps) or disagree politically or religiously. Separate art from the artist or miss out on a lot of great art. Again sorry for dredging up an old discussion, I just needed to get it off my chest. HODOR! Also, why should people strive to change, like Lennon did, if they're just going to be labelled assholes for the rest of their lives? Self-righteousness stalks the land.
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