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Post by Burp King of Westchester on Dec 11, 2015 13:53:24 GMT -5
Not sure if this counts as a blunder, per se, but since this is the place to talk about TOC's perceived missteps I figure this is as good a place to bring it up as any.
I get that the Least Essential Albums feature has long been one of AV Club's "things". Still, I feel Marah has a really weak point here. The Stereogum list only shares two entries with the AV list; one person wrote the Stereogum list, as opposed to multiple contributors on the AV list, arguably making the former's research more impressive; and it's not as though the idea is copyrighted, even if AV Club has kind of cornered the market on it.
IMO she needs to cry me a river, build me a bridge, and get over it.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Dec 12, 2015 15:22:53 GMT -5
firstbasemanwho I feel like (especially given the reemergence of Fatman and Steve Jobs going all on being an asshole) that a decent chunk of the the all-day Newswire denizens nowadays tend to be people who are angry with the world for whatever reason and need someplace to take it out. That can manifest itself in being an outright abusive asshole, or in just lashing out self-righteously at whatever, or talking endlessly about politics (I typically head to the AVC when I want to escape real news).
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 10:15:30 GMT -5
So...that Trans-Siberian Orchestra video.
For something promoted as a "DEFINITIVE TAKEDOWN" it seemed rather...pointless. Basically just describing things in the song in the order in which they happen.
I think somebody's description of it as "the AVC making their own Great Job, Internet!s now" seems about right.
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Post by LazBro on Dec 22, 2015 11:07:06 GMT -5
I think somebody's description of it as "the AVC making their own Great Job, Internet!s now" seems about right. That's well put. As if the recent GJI selections from Clickhole and Starwipe weren't incestuous enough.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Dec 22, 2015 11:17:13 GMT -5
I think I actually like Clickhole more than AVC now. That "Will Puzzle Man Visit Your House This Christmas?" quiz suggested an alternate universe which would make a really fun video game.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2015 11:52:31 GMT -5
I think I actually like Clickhole more than AVC now. That "Will Puzzle Man Visit Your House This Christmas?" quiz suggested an alternate universe which would make a really fun video game. I freakin' love Clickhole. The weird glimpses into bizarre little alternate universes you get from their stuff is delightful.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Dec 22, 2015 12:35:38 GMT -5
I think I actually like Clickhole more than AVC now. That "Will Puzzle Man Visit Your House This Christmas?" quiz suggested an alternate universe which would make a really fun video game. I freakin' love Clickhole. The weird glimpses into bizarre little alternate universes you get from their stuff is delightful. From the Santa Plaus roleplaying Choose Your Own Adventure: Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer’s bright, terrible nose attracted huge swarms of moths as you flew through the air. It made it very difficult to see where you were going, because every Christmas, Rudolph would flash his idiot nose and your sled would immediately be engulfed in a cloud of moths. One year, Rudolph’s bright nose attracted so many moths that you couldn’t see anything at all, and you crashed your flying sled into St. Microsoft’s Orphanage for Extremely Flammable Children. There were no survivors. Needless to say, the Supreme Court ordered you to eat Rudolph the Red-Nosed Reindeer live on the Charlie Rose show. He is no longer a part of your reindeer team.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 4, 2016 22:43:11 GMT -5
That article is laughably bad. I don't even particularly care about Frank Sinatra, but come on.Her complaint is basically "Sinatra's voice is too good and smarmy, so it lacks character and is bad," which is completely contradictory and makes no sense. Now, Michael Buble's an example where I think that a voice "is too good and smarmy, so it lacks character and is bad." But I think that in comparison to people like Sinatra. You can make that complaint if a singer doesn't really know how to "act" the words he's singing. Like, I think Buble is phenomenal at the art of sounding good, but he's not very good at getting the meaning of the words across. My mom collects all of his albums and there are definitely songs with heartbreaking lyrics where it still sounds as if he's winking at you and dashingly throwing his top hat offstage. Something about his sound says, "I'm not being sincere." Now having said that...you need to articulate that criticism coherently. And you especially need to be careful with your argument, if the target is one of the 5-10 most famous singers ever. And you certainly cannot equate having a good voice with being inauthentic, because some of the most heartfelt singers ever have had really great singing voices (e.g. Nina). I've been trying to figure out why Michael Bublé doesn't work, and you've pretty much got it. If you're going to cover a song, you should either manage to capture the original spirit and maybe pump it up (Alien Ant Farm's cover of "Smooth Criminal") or try to make it your own (Aretha Franklin's "Respect"). Bublé is just appealing to people's love of the classics in a flat, unmotivated manner.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jan 5, 2016 0:24:47 GMT -5
I think I actually like Clickhole more than AVC now. That "Will Puzzle Man Visit Your House This Christmas?" quiz suggested an alternate universe which would make a really fun video game. I freakin' love Clickhole. The weird glimpses into bizarre little alternate universes you get from their stuff is delightful. Alternate?
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jan 5, 2016 18:11:53 GMT -5
I think I actually like Clickhole more than AVC now. That "Will Puzzle Man Visit Your House This Christmas?" quiz suggested an alternate universe which would make a really fun video game. Clickhole remains fascinating to me in how it creates these whole slightly-off (or very-off) worlds within its articles.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jan 5, 2016 19:24:36 GMT -5
The big joke of StarWipe has to be on its readership, right?
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Apr 8, 2016 11:39:55 GMT -5
Somehow this thread came to mind when on today's newswire they confused Jesse Owens with Jesse Helms (possibly fixed by the time you click on this). Edit: They fixed it.
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Post by monodrone on Apr 8, 2016 13:29:48 GMT -5
Not killing us when they had the chance, the fools.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 7:37:15 GMT -5
"Transposing a familiar melody from a major key to a minor key or vice versa shouldn’t really make all that much difference. What impact could a few sharps or flats make either way when most of the notes are unaffected?"
Impressively stupid, even for a Great Job, Internet! article.
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on May 12, 2016 9:05:35 GMT -5
"Transposing a familiar melody from a major key to a minor key or vice versa shouldn’t really make all that much difference. What impact could a few sharps or flats make either way when most of the notes are unaffected?" Impressively stupid, even for a Great Job, Internet! article. Have you noticed that most of the GJI articles are all written by the same guy? I think he just scours the internet all day long and finds stupid things to write about.
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Post by Smacks on May 12, 2016 9:38:25 GMT -5
"Transposing a familiar melody from a major key to a minor key or vice versa shouldn’t really make all that much difference. What impact could a few sharps or flats make either way when most of the notes are unaffected?" Impressively stupid, even for a Great Job, Internet! article. My brother is a really great musician, which isn't all that important for this anecdote but he is and I'm proud of him so I like to mention it. Anyway I always used to ask him to play the Charlie Brown theme in minor key on the piano and we would laugh hysterically and call it Charlie Brown's funeral march.
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Post by Jimmy James on May 12, 2016 11:42:18 GMT -5
"Transposing a familiar melody from a major key to a minor key or vice versa shouldn’t really make all that much difference. What impact could a few sharps or flats make either way when most of the notes are unaffected?" Impressively stupid, even for a Great Job, Internet! article. Have you noticed that most of the GJI articles are all written by the same guy? I think he just scours the internet all day long and finds stupid things to write about. So he's doing the same kind of aimless browsing I engage in, but he's found a way to monetize it? Sounds like has turned the internet... into a good job! Sorry, somehow that sounded wittier in my head.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on May 12, 2016 11:43:18 GMT -5
I only check in once a month or so. Has Starwipe gotten any better, or is it still pretty much a disaster?
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Post by Squanchy on May 12, 2016 12:22:45 GMT -5
HAHAHA What the actual fuck was that Daria cartoon even supposed to mean? Someone typed that cartoon characters were unrealistic without any irony.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 12:49:20 GMT -5
HAHAHA What the actual fuck was that Daria cartoon even supposed to mean? Someone typed that cartoon characters were unrealistic without any irony. Was literally just about to bring that up myself. What the actual fuck? To echo what I wrote on the post, that whole thing just depressed me. I fully support having a greater variety of body types in our depictions of characters, animated or otherwise. It's something I want to see. And I know that whole thing was written from a starting place of good intentions. But however great those intentions are, it just falls so hard into self-parody. Stylized art is OK! And you can depict a variety of body types with stylized art. To call out something like Daria - a grounded, smart and progressive show about non-traditional teen characters - because you think the particular *non-sexualized* art style they used promotes thigh gap is so counter-productive to *actually* improving body type depictions as to be kind of insulting. And Shaggy? Shaggy's a skinny, gangly weirdo stoner dude! That's what he is! *That's the point!* And not only that, but Scooby-Doo basically refutes their criticisms because, well, Velma exists, is objectively awesome, and within the same art style is pretty consistently depicted as a shorter, less skinny, curvier body type.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 12, 2016 13:00:17 GMT -5
It’s gotten to the point where GJI has completely overwhelmed my view of the site. Before I was able to compartmentalize it as a sort of necessary clickbaity evil that supported the good features and reviews, but now it’s gotten to the point where I can’t take anything about the site or its POV seriously at all.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on May 12, 2016 16:26:40 GMT -5
HAHAHA What the actual fuck was that Daria cartoon even supposed to mean? Someone typed that cartoon characters were unrealistic without any irony. Came here to post it. Good lord.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on May 12, 2016 17:07:26 GMT -5
It’s gotten to the point where GJI has completely overwhelmed my view of the site. Before I was able to compartmentalize it as a sort of necessary clickbaity evil that supported the good features and reviews, but now it’s gotten to the point where I can’t take anything about the site or its POV seriously at all. Between the Daria post and the Frozen post (or the Frozen post comments), it's been a spectacular hot mess today.
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Post by Mrs David Tennant on May 12, 2016 17:29:46 GMT -5
It’s gotten to the point where GJI has completely overwhelmed my view of the site. Before I was able to compartmentalize it as a sort of necessary clickbaity evil that supported the good features and reviews, but now it’s gotten to the point where I can’t take anything about the site or its POV seriously at all. Between the Daria post and the Frozen post (or the Frozen post comments), it's been a spectacular hot mess today. Yeah, I didn't even look at the articles because I knew the comments would be a clusterf**k.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2016 17:41:16 GMT -5
It’s gotten to the point where GJI has completely overwhelmed my view of the site. Before I was able to compartmentalize it as a sort of necessary clickbaity evil that supported the good features and reviews, but now it’s gotten to the point where I can’t take anything about the site or its POV seriously at all. Between the Daria post and the Frozen post (or the Frozen post comments), it's been a spectacular hot mess today. I just took a stroll through those comments. Yikes. :/
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on May 12, 2016 17:52:42 GMT -5
The AV Club: Promoting social progress in the least important ways possible
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 12, 2016 18:23:39 GMT -5
I didn’t know about the Frozen article, but it seems like one of those obvious things that draws in a ton of disqus morons (who people decide to engage, thus turning the comments into a 1500-comment long clusterfuck started by a few interlopers). The Daria leg-spacing one (shudder) was more, at least when I commented, two hundred people—mostly regulars—in utter shock about what they’d just clicked on for the reasons NicoNicoRose stated. It’s hard to believe I became a regular reader of the site because of their retro reviews of The Prisoner. I can’t even imagine them covering something like that, much less with any sort of nuance, nowadays.
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Post by MarkInTexas on May 13, 2016 11:00:33 GMT -5
What I found most bizarre about the Daria article (which, to be fair, I didn't bother reading until I saw everyone on here talking about it) is that the people who made the study were complaining about cartoon characters being stuck in the past, while complaining about characters from the past. They do realize that Daria is from nearly 20 years ago, and Scooby-Doo is almost 50, right?
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Post by ganews on May 13, 2016 11:12:15 GMT -5
What I found most bizarre about the Daria article (which, to be fair, I didn't bother reading until I saw everyone on here talking about it) is that the people who made the study were complaining about cartoon characters being stuck in the past, while complaining about characters from the past. They do realize that Daria is from nearly 20 years ago, and Scooby-Doo is almost 50, right? They showed Shaggy 'shopped to have basically the same filled-out build as Fred. I was thinking to myself, someone from that time who actually was that skinny and lanky would have killed to look like Fred.
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Post by MarkInTexas on May 13, 2016 11:28:49 GMT -5
I think GTI! would be greatly improved if the editors realized that not every bit of pop culture that someone puts on the Internet is worthy of an entire article in addition to the link. In addition, for some reason, the occasional story that should go under Newswire gets directed to GTI, for example Ronan Farrow's article this week about Woody Allen and celebrity journalism. That article and its impact was arguably the single most important story in pop culture this week, and it's baffling why it got regulated to the GTI ghetto (to be fair, Allen's response did get Newswire treatment).
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