Captain America: Civil War

Looks pretty OK.  Of course, most of the MCU movies have been far better than their trailers.

ETA: look at that video still.  Hawkeye can fly now!

Someone pointed out on a nerd website that Bucky killed Stark's dad, which I totally forgot. So I guess that might factor in a bit - also, for all we know they just want to bring him in to be sure he's no longer a brainwashed daddy killer, and Cap Am don't trust the system. Or whatever.

The relatively restrained trailer that emphasizes how much the movie is still Cap Am 3 and not Avengers Interquel makes me think it might just avoid the SCREEN OF SUPERHEROES the Onion suggested; but then again who knows.

wasn't there a line about how they were there to get bucky and "not alive". Like this whole thing just feels dumb as shit for a conflict. If this was banner they would be all peachy keen to help. But now half the avengers is against it? The fuck. What about vision and his chaos emerald encrusted forehead, anyone worried about him? And Tony stark just finally turning the page on feeling like there should be checks and balances. Did he not just ignore that fucking lesson in ultron when he made vision?

Ultron almost made vision, but it was stopped. Then Tony is like, fuck it, let's finish the job and use it to fight ultron! And everyone else was like, "are you a fucking idiot" justifiably so, because he was pretty much doubling down on his building of ultron with no basis for it being right. Just lucky for him it was the right move. And this would all be fine as a building point towards civil war if not for the fact that Tonys viewpoints have took a complete 180. Honestly it feels like civil war should be more about stopping a gone mad scientist Tony stark than anything about superhero accountability or wanting to kill bucky. Then again this is based, even somewhat, off of the civil war comic, there is no way it is not going to be stupid.

And really any fighting of superheroes will be contrived, unless one goes full on villain. In avengers it does make more sense though because these people don't know each other at all, and that might cause some tension. Also it didn't feel like Thor was trying to kill everyone, just "hey, this is Asgard business, and I just need to get him back".

Thor did finish it completely but only because a magic hot tub told him so, tony was in the process of finishing vision himself though without magic hot tub knowledge.

I think it's funny how Tony thinks them being friends for five minutes (and barely that) would stop Steve from being loyal to the childhood best friend he loved and lost and found again after 75 years. Shit, Steve in the MCU has a better rapport with Sharon Carter than he does with Tony Stark. 

The metal-arm dick punch actually comes from the comics, after Steve bites the dust, and it is my favorite. I'm gleefully hoping Steve and Tony both die so we can get the rise of the one true BuckyCap. 

Captain America: The Winter Soldier is my favorite MCU movie. It's basically perfect. I'm pleased with what the Russos seem to be doing with the third installment.

Doesn't hurt that Sebastian Stan is so nice to look at. I'm very pleased they seem to be going with a version of Bucky who's competent and ready to kick some ass, rather than a wounded fawn in the forest type. 

True. I have to say I'm a little peeved that the catalyst for Tony wanting "accountability" has to do with Bucky killing his parents, though. Tony Stark is a grown man who's had 25 years to process their deaths, not to mention, he ought to damn well know how it feels to be abducted, kept against your will, and tortured. Instead he wants to haul in the world's longest-serving POW to satisfy his own petty shit. It's not like the Winter Soldier recognized Howard and Maria before he killed them - he didn't even know who he was at the time.

Well, this is looking a lot better than I was worried it might be. The announcement that this would be a "Civil War" movie and the general messiness of Age of Ultron had killed my enthusiasm, but this still looks generally in-line with what they were doing on Winter Soldier. Fingers crossed.

I'm trying to guess how they are going to work in some of these new-to-the-movies characters that are supposedly appearing in the film. I would guess the Spider-man cameo will be nothing more than a quick mention of a new superpowered vigilante operating in NYC.

Black Panther though, appears to have a semi-significant role in the movie. Is T'Challa just going to be in town for the signing of these accords and get mixed up in the whole thing?

@matt1 Well it's easy to forget (in the film's ridiculously large cast) that former Goodbye Lenin! hearthrob Daniel Brühl is also a Hydra bad guy in the movie. I suppose Not-Hawkeye is working with him now (and given how you can't throw a stick without hitting a random rogue Hydra guy - there was one in Ant-Man, for crying out loud - not surprising Not-Hawk is still getting work.)

Sanziana Is it ever. There's more than a few plot holes in these movies, but Vision is like an entire character that was birthed by a plot hole.

I've just been internally shrieking all day like a four year old. I feel this is a reasonable reaction.

that wasn't me asking about something you said, that was me asking in disbelief about how this movie got to this point.

Ugh, I hate Joss Whedon so much for the way he's written Steve. Steve Rogers was in the army and grew up in 1920s Brooklyn. I'm 99% sure he swears more than any other character in the MCU. It honestly feels to me like Whedon doesn't really understand or like Steve very much, so he's writing him the way you would expect from a 1950s comic book, super rigid and moralistic and goody-two-shoes. Steve is a good man and a great leader - he's also a stubborn, mouthy shit who constantly breaks the rules. It does him a disservice to boil him down to Unfrozen Boy Scout Soldier.

In the comics version of Civil War, the rift between Steve and Tony had a huge impact on the readers. By the time that it happened, in the current continuity they'd been working together for a decade or more, and they genuinely were good friends. That's why reading it in the comics hurt so much. (I cried my eyes out at one particular scene involving Tony after Steve died.) But Whedon didn't do a good enough job of establishing their friendship, so in the MCU it just rings false.