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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 17, 2017 16:46:22 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I kind of read Stella as Harry Mudd's caricature of his wife; an expression of his own misogyny than whoever the real person was that he abandoned. As both his appearances confirmed he's quite the heel one can only imagine how exasperated anyone married to him would become. If I was to bring him back, that's definitely an angle I'd use. I love "I, Mudd" (and for that matter, the animated episode "Mudd's Passion") - but it's not for nothing one of the most ill-conceived episodes of Enterprise was "Home," which was trying to both homage and critique the cheesecake of "Mudd's Women," a frankly dismal episode for a number of reasons (one of which it is boring - I don't want a whole interlude about the hardscrabble miner and the glamour woman finding a reason to love each other.)
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Post by Sanziana on Apr 19, 2017 7:05:17 GMT -5
Whoa, Jason Isaac is in this? That's so great. I hope it doesn't mean he won't be on The OA though. I like him even more when he plays psychopaths.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Apr 19, 2017 9:23:33 GMT -5
Whoa, Jason Isaac is in this? That's so great. I hope it doesn't mean he won't be on The OA though. I like him even more when he plays psychopaths. He'll probably die a few episodes in, so no worries about that.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 18:57:12 GMT -5
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 17, 2017 19:19:51 GMT -5
That's region locked, but this isn't:
There's also the Netflix trailer, which is the same footage in a different order (and less dramatic as a consequence, frankly.)
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 17, 2017 19:26:42 GMT -5
The uniforms are.... odd. Not consistent with anything from that era or around that era that we've seen. Not bad, per se, but the all blue is really weird, unless all we're seeing is science uniforms.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 17, 2017 20:07:43 GMT -5
Fucking biological determinism.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 17, 2017 20:11:03 GMT -5
That's region locked, but this isn't: There's also the Netflix trailer, which is the same footage in a different order (and less dramatic as a consequence, frankly.) Or, more accurately, tomorrowville's video is not region-locked in the US but presumably is everywhere else, whereas these videos are region-locked in the US but presumably are not elsewhere.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2017 20:31:45 GMT -5
It reminded me of Battlefield Earth..... too many dutch angles. I also do not care for them aping the current movies lens flares and other design choices, mostly because when combined with a TV budget it certainly looked cheap at times. Also, the abbreviation for this series is STD. You think it is gonna be a good idea, but the consequences are not what you hoped for.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 18, 2017 4:07:43 GMT -5
Also, the abbreviation for this series is STD. The agreed-upon three-letter designation is DSC, like how one speaks of VOY and not STV. Or, more accurately, tomorrowville's video is not region-locked in the US but presumably is everywhere else, whereas these videos are region-locked in the US but presumably are not elsewhere. Even more accurately, neither video I linked was region-locked anywhere: They've just been pulled from YouTube since the time I linked them. This is region free, however: Anyway here's a library of screencaps.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2017 7:00:20 GMT -5
DSC? Not DIS? Is nothing sacred to them! Will forever be STD to me.
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Post by sarapen on May 18, 2017 13:04:52 GMT -5
The uniforms are.... odd. Not consistent with anything from that era or around that era that we've seen. Not bad, per se, but the all blue is really weird, unless all we're seeing is science uniforms. Haven't seen the trailer yet, just the screencaps, but the blue uniforms here look to me like an evolution of the ones from Enterprise.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 18, 2017 14:14:59 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove Biological determinism‽ Did they bring Braga back for this‽ This really just extends my sense of “I’m really not sure what to make of it.” Not really convinced by the look at all—the bridge stuff looks a bit, I don’t know, like a Trek knock off from the late nineties? It looks very Abrams Trek-influenced to me, with the lights being constantly doing that lens-flare-y thing on the bridge. Is it only ten years before Kirk? Isn’t that young Spock in there? Maybe it’s ten years before the Enterprise launches, so 2230s? “Raises more questions than it answers” isn’t necessarily bad for a trailer, but these aren’t very interesting questions I’m having. On the other hand, that desert planet stuff between Michelle Yeoh and Sonequa Martin-Green looks awesome ( Fashion It So agrees), and the Klingon stuff plus Vulcan stuff makes me wonder this might be a bit Final Reflection-ish ( The Final Reflection being the one great Trek novel). Also, I can’t believe Michelle Yeoh’s in Trek, which is beyond amazing. So I’m not really sure what to think at all. This will be a mixed bag with some good bits and annoying bits (and the show would have been better served had Netflix rather than CBS took the lead) isn’t a hot take, but that’s what I’m guessing it will be.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 18, 2017 14:54:56 GMT -5
The uniforms are.... odd. Not consistent with anything from that era or around that era that we've seen. Not bad, per se, but the all blue is really weird, unless all we're seeing is science uniforms. Haven't seen the trailer yet, just the screencaps, but the blue uniforms here look to me like an evolution of the ones from Enterprise. A bit, but Enterprise was 100 years earlier, and we've seen costume from in between the two shows. Plus The Cage was set around the same time.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on May 18, 2017 19:52:02 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove Biological determinism‽ Did they bring Braga back for this‽ This really just extends my sense of “I’m really not sure what to make of it.” Not really convinced by the look at all—the bridge stuff looks a bit, I don’t know, like a Trek knock off from the late nineties? It looks very Abrams Trek-influenced to me, with the lights being constantly doing that lens-flare-y thing on the bridge. Is it only ten years before Kirk? Isn’t that young Spock in there? Maybe it’s ten years before the Enterprise launches, so 2230s? “Raises more questions than it answers” isn’t necessarily bad for a trailer, but these aren’t very interesting questions I’m having. On the other hand, that desert planet stuff between Michelle Yeoh and Sonequa Martin-Green looks awesome ( Fashion It So agrees), and the Klingon stuff plus Vulcan stuff makes me wonder this might be a bit Final Reflection-ish ( The Final Reflection being the one great Trek novel). Also, I can’t believe Michelle Yeoh’s in Trek, which is beyond amazing. So I’m not really sure what to think at all. This will be a mixed bag with some good bits and annoying bits (and the show would have been better served had Netflix rather than CBS took the lead) isn’t a hot take, but that’s what I’m guessing it will be. I don't know much about Braga, apart from a lot of people considering him to be one of the less good Trek showrunners/executiveish people (I think?), but "The only thing my species was biologically determined for was to sense the approach of death. Not reproducing, not raising young, not finding food and water, not even surviving, just sensing the approach of death per se. The concept of natural selection was like 'all right, life, I'll pass on this one, it can just be a sentient death-proximity instrument or whatever, with no regard to whether it gives them a competitive advantage in surviving and reproducing, that's fine' when my species evolved," made me immediately leery of the very concept of Pale Man Guy's character. Sarek's "Your tongue is too human to speak your own native goddamn tongue that you probably grew up speaking" was also pretty not-great, right? I very much hope that that Vulcan kid isn't Spock. Also, was Sarek's relationship with Spock ever that assholish in any of the previous series or films? Besides, if Young Spock is going to be a thing on this show, it'll be difficult for them to write a more moving story than "The One Genuinely Fantastic Episode of TAS", aka the one where Spock goes back in time and meets Young Spock. The desert planet stuff does look awesome, but it also reminds me of Star Trek V, specifically the first minute-and-a-half or so before there's any actual dialogue, which, admittedly, the first minute and a half of that movie is pretty great, so, actually that's probably not a bad thing at all. Also, having fairly recently finished the third season of TNG, I feel like opening a series with a character I've never seen before and have no investment in telling another character I've never seen before and have no investment in "Isn't it about time you got your own command?" can't help but be anything other than a letdown compared with "Best of Both Worlds".
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Post by Desert Dweller on May 19, 2017 1:24:22 GMT -5
My reaction to the trailer is "meh". The "I sense death" lines were pretty bad, but not as bad as most of what Troi said on TNG, and that show was still pretty good.
It is really cool to see Michelle Yeoh in Star Trek!
I think I buy James Frain as Sarek.
The Klingons don't look as bad as I feared from the earlier photos that were posted and linked to here. They look more reminiscent of the TNG-era Klingons than I thought we were getting.
I'm still fairly uninterested in whatever Klingon plot this show is running. I just can't imagine what this show could say about Klingons that would be more interesting than ST:VI, TNG or DS9.
Look of ship/overall design didn't do anything for me.
Shrug. I'll still watch at least the first episode. Still not sure I want to subscribe to CBS All-Access. Maybe if the pilot really blows me away. Or maybe I'll just wait a couple months until all the episodes are out, then sign up for the free trial and binge watch it all.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on May 19, 2017 6:47:23 GMT -5
I read the like from Saru (Doug Jones' character) as suggesting a degree of genetic engineering in his species history, but 'sensing death' is such a bizarre ability to engineer a species to be about I couldn't make much sense beyond it. To recycle my own content the bridge of (presumably the Shenzhou) does not make me think of JJ Abrams or nineties TV as much as it does contemporary space opera TV, namely, that's it's all got very dark in this post-BSG world: It definitely doesn't fit the Cage era, as noted, and I have no idea how they're going to explain her relationship with Sarek (one theory is that she's Amanda Grayson's relative, or a child by a previous marriage) but Sarek remaining on Vulcan and just popping by via hologram is a touch that makes a certain degree of sense - Sarek is not the explorer his son is; but he is the kind of Top Level Ambassador character it might make sense to have around if the show goes political (a bit like how almost half Babylon 5's cast were ambassadors and their aides.) Braga is currently one of the Trek vets (along with Jonathan Frakes and David A. 'Futurama Star Trek Episode' Goodman) who's attached to Seth MacFarlane's Star Trek themed comedy, Orville (which, according to sources, is also the unnamed terrible show referred to in this TV Line blind item.)
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 19, 2017 12:53:09 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner Yeah, that’s a better comparison—I was thinking for something more generic than anything else. Looking on screencaps it looks like a lot of the details are very Trek-ian, but the fact that everything’s darkened makes it look more generic. I kind of wish they hadn’t done that—I’m pretty sure by the 23rd century they’ll have screens that are just as legible under normal light, and the general “hominess” of Trek ships (even the original Enterprise) is something that’s part of the brand, so to speak (also makes sense given the in-universe rationale of long voyages/feeling like home). Roy Batty's Pet Dove Braga was generally pretty good on TNG, and more overstretched on Voyager, and completely burned out by Enterprise, but his episodes are full of baaaaad biology.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2017 15:23:10 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove Braga was generally pretty good on TNG, and more overstretched on Voyager, and completely burned out by Enterprise, but his episodes are full of baaaaad biology. Including the epitome of bad biology:
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2017 17:55:17 GMT -5
The discovery uniforms suck
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jun 25, 2017 10:15:29 GMT -5
Since they’re going with mostly monochrome (evidently the shiny bits still correspond to science-operations-command in some way) I’m disappointed it’s a blue and not a red. I can kind of see what they’re doing, though—there are definitely hints of Kirk’s admiral’s uniform in the cut, collars and overall design: The thing that really weirds me out, though, is that they not only didn’t bother to hide the zipper (or whatever sort of fastener they’re using) but to make it bright and shiny. There were obviously little fastening fails throughout Trek, but I think they generally did a good job of the whole “this uniform can fasten or split apart wherever” in TNG and DS9.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 19:09:17 GMT -5
The fuck is thisI'd enjoy it if a new Star Trek movie or show would actually look something like Star Trek. The phaser, tricorder, and communicator are the only things that look appropriately Trek-y that I've seen so far. Whatever the quality of the rest of the show (and I really want it to be amazing), I'm not feeling the design sensibilities thus far.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 19:20:54 GMT -5
Also, holy crap, never making the mistake again of accidentally reading comments on TrekCore. Seeing people who say they're Star Trek fans ranting about the evils of progressives, feminists, and "SJWs" just makes my brain implode.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jul 21, 2017 20:27:26 GMT -5
The fuck is thisI'd enjoy it if a new Star Trek movie or show would actually look something like Star Trek. The phaser, tricorder, and communicator are the only things that look appropriately Trek-y that I've seen so far. Whatever the quality of the rest of the show (and I really want it to be amazing), I'm not feeling the design sensibilities thus far. I like how that Klingon armor looks like if Spider-Man went back in time to the Middle Ages for an issue and became a knight, but didn't have time to design a mask that didn't look shitty.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Jul 22, 2017 1:32:08 GMT -5
I'm feeling better about the Klingon makeup the more video and photographs I see. It no longer looks so completely different. Now it kind of looks like it belongs in the same universe as the Klingons in TNG/DS9. But, the costuming they are showing is really bad. I know there is a popular theory that these Klingons are actually from way in the past and they are somehow showing up in this time. I hate that idea in general, but that may be the only way I accept that those costumes could exist in the Trek universe.
I'm ambivalent on the Starfleet uniforms. I can see how they could come from the TOS movies. But, they kind of bore me.
The Starfleet props look okay. Sarek's costume looks okay.
I still hate the idea of Harry Mudd being on the show. I fundamentally don't understand why they want a gross, misogynistic character on the show. Are there any women who have creative control in this production?
I am also still hoping that Discovery will be amazing. I really want it to be good. Just tell a good story and I can forget about the questionable costumes. My expectations are low, though.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 22, 2017 15:33:50 GMT -5
I can’t get over that dumb half-collar on the uniforms. I can’t believe I didn’t notice it before.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 19:58:56 GMT -5
I also get a little tired of the thing - I just saw this on a comment thread on the old country - where somebody expresses disappointment that Discovery isn't attempting to look a little more like the era of Star Trek it's set in (since we've seen DSC's time period before, roughly - "The Cage"), and somebody comes back like a jerk being all "LOLOLOL haha dude nobody wants to watch a show that has 1960s production values in 2017 moron."
It's like...that's not what people are saying? I'm pretty sure when people say "it'd be nice if Discovery based its look more on the actual look of that era of TOS" they aren't saying "this high-budget 2017 show must be made with cardboard sets and plastic gumdrop buttons." They're saying "I wish they'd adapted & updated the TOS-era aesthetic to modern quality standards."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 22:04:30 GMT -5
I also get a little tired of the thing - I just saw this on a comment thread on the old country - where somebody expresses disappointment that Discovery isn't attempting to look a little more like the era of Star Trek it's set in (since we've seen DSC's time period before, roughly - "The Cage"), and somebody comes back like a jerk being all "LOLOLOL haha dude nobody wants to watch a show that has 1960s production values in 2017 moron." It's like...that's not what people are saying? I'm pretty sure when people say "it'd be nice if Discovery based its look more on the actual look of that era of TOS" they aren't saying "this high-budget 2017 show must be made with cardboard sets and plastic gumdrop buttons." They're saying "I wish they'd adapted & updated the TOS-era aesthetic to modern quality standards." Have these people not seen Abrams Trek which does that expertly to the TOS uniforms?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2017 11:17:29 GMT -5
New trailer.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 23, 2017 13:17:14 GMT -5
I’m not sure about the tone, but I like some of the weird, especially the hints of it we get on the desert planet. Bernd Schneider gave his thoughts: I agree with him (and Desert Dweller ) that even if some of the Starfleet stuff’s okay, a more consistent and better thought out look would be nice. People kind of mock the degree of fake technical background stuff that was made for TNG through Enterprise, but I think the extra “unnecessary” effort really aided in making the worlds seem full and giving them a sort of reality (and plus it’s just cool how production designers like the Okudas and Sternbach nd Drexler just nerded out about everything), making the universe seem consistent and expansive despite only appearing for 20-30 mostly disconnected hrs. a year. I’m honestly fine with it looking different—people aren’t going to go for “The Cage” uniforms—it just looks kind of disjointed. Styled not designed. Also evidently the explanation for Saru’s cheesy line is very prosaic—his species was prey for some other species, thus he’s skittish. Like a deer or gazelle, but with a flair for the dramatic.
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