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Post by firstbasemanwho on Mar 17, 2017 1:23:57 GMT -5
Ben Grimm They also did colorblind casting for TNG—I’m really interested in the Earth-2 TNG with Yaphet Kotto as Captain Jean-Luc Senghor, Julia Nickson (or Rosalind Chao!) as security chief Lt. Yang, Kevin Peter Hall as Data (and Dr. Noonien Soong), and Jenny Agutter as a British Dr. Crusher. And Ben Murphy of "Riding with Death" fame as "Ryker". He'll show those Romulan turkeys! |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Mar 17, 2017 4:23:12 GMT -5
Ben Grimm They also did colorblind casting for TNG—I’m really interested in the Earth-2 TNG with Yaphet Kotto as Captain Jean-Luc Senghor, Julia Nickson (or Rosalind Chao!) as security chief Lt. Yang, Kevin Peter Hall as Data (and Dr. Noonien Soong), and Jenny Agutter as a British Dr. Crusher. I love LeVar Burton but goddamn I never knew I needed Wesley Snipes on Star Trek until now. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Mar 19, 2017 3:17:38 GMT -5
It might have been really cool to see Rosalind Chao as the Security Chief. Yaphet Kotto as the Captain is very intriguing. Trying to picture Wesley Snipes as an engineer.....
It is interesting that Brent Spiner wasn't in consideration at this point.
Fascinating that this is from April 1987 and they weren't even considering some of the actors they ended up hiring. And the show premiered in September.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 19, 2017 4:59:18 GMT -5
This colorblind casting continued all the way to casting Seven of Nine on Voyager - Tamlyn Tomita, Ming-Na Wen and Lauren Tom were all considered for the part.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Mar 21, 2017 9:39:12 GMT -5
So our main character - Number One, as played by Sonequa Martin-Green - is named Rainsford.  |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 21, 2017 10:03:17 GMT -5
Sarek as an astrophysicist? Is that new? I don't remember him being anything other than a diplomat.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Mar 22, 2017 13:37:47 GMT -5
Ben Grimm Maybe Sarek is Vulcan Fridtjof Nansen—amazing scientist first, groundbreaking diplomatic later. Honestly with lifespans of a couple hundred of years such shifts in career don’t seem odd to me (also: Sarek origin story? That would be pretty damn cool). This colorblind casting continued all the way to casting Seven of Nine on Voyager - Tamlyn Tomita, Ming-Na Wen and Lauren Tom were all considered for the part. I just cannot imagine 5'1" Seven of Nine. Actually, wait, I can and it is delightful.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 27, 2017 9:09:08 GMT -5
As reported on TOC, first slightly blurry picture of actors out of uniform or makeup, sitting at a table waiting for their food or drinks:  |
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Post by dＬᵒ on Mar 30, 2017 19:00:03 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 19:46:26 GMT -5
As reported on TOC, first slightly blurry picture of actors out of uniform or makeup, sitting at a table waiting for their food or drinks: where's the dude from Rent/Road Trip? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Mar 31, 2017 12:27:19 GMT -5
Rainn Wilson (of Galaxy Quest and The Office) will be playing Harry Mudd.I can see him playing it (not that he's who I'd necessarily cast), but I'm a little concerned that this means that they'll be leaning too hard on The Original Series. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Mar 31, 2017 14:30:52 GMT -5
Rainn Wilson (of Galaxy Quest and The Office) will be playing Harry Mudd.I can see him playing it (not that he's who I'd necessarily cast), but I'm a little concerned that this means that they'll be leaning too hard on The Original Series. brb vomiting uncontrollably |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Apr 2, 2017 23:08:06 GMT -5
Rainn Wilson (of Galaxy Quest and The Office) will be playing Harry Mudd.I can see him playing it (not that he's who I'd necessarily cast), but I'm a little concerned that this means that they'll be leaning too hard on The Original Series. Super excited that that misogynistic asshole character is coming back to Trek so that audiences everywhere can laugh and talk about how amusing and adorable he is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2017 9:58:22 GMT -5
The Mudd news is...weird. I have no idea what to think.
I *could* see a version of Mudd that works in a modern show. What we actually get, though...who knows at this point? I have lost all sense of what kind of show this is going to be.
(Also...Rainn Wilson will be fine I'm sure, but it's hard for me to *not* see Paul F. Tompkins instead.)
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Post by Ben Grimm on Apr 3, 2017 14:09:47 GMT -5
They changed her name for some reason.
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Post by dＬᵒ on Apr 3, 2017 21:16:23 GMT -5
They changed her name for some reason. maybe it's like Enterprise and they found out they have her the sane name as an obscure serial killer. |
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Apr 3, 2017 23:17:41 GMT -5
They changed her name for some reason. maybe it's like Enterprise and they found out they have her the sane name as an obscure serial killer. wait what |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 4, 2017 1:27:04 GMT -5
rimjobflashmob I don’t recall hearing that at all, but vaguely remember Jonathan Archer originally being Jackson Archer. I always assumed they changed the name because with Trip (ugh) they felt they had enough south in the mix and they could tone it down a bit (still, Enterprise will always be, to me, the George W. Bush of Star Treks).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 4, 2017 6:47:34 GMT -5
rimjobflashmob Jean-Luc Lemur Yeah, the original casting sheet (which was leaked online) called for a Jackson Archer and a T'Pau. We called the characters that on Star Trek message boards for a while before the final names were revealed, so going from Rainsford to Burnham does not surprise me at all. (Neither name exactly rolls off the tongue, trippingly, though - a good surname for a Star Trek protagonist is one you can shout all staccato like as things are shaking violently.) Also, he was Spike Tucker originally. The presence of a character with the same name on Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the reason they changed that.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 4, 2017 10:52:13 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I’d forgotten entirely about them wanting to use T’Pau in Enterprise—that has to be the only time forum nerd-rage has accomplished something positive, right? Or was it a matter of realizing they’d have to pay the Sturgeon estate?
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 4, 2017 10:55:22 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I’d forgotten entirely about them wanting to use T’Pau in Enterprise—that has to be the only time forum nerd-rage has accomplished something positive, right? Or was it a matter of realizing they’d have to pay the Sturgeon estate? I believe it was the Sturgeon thing, yeah. This is allegedly also why Robert Duncan McNeil didn't just play his Next Generation character on Voyager (although the argument also exists he is a different character because that allowed them to tweak the character as one who is more sympathetic.) |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Apr 4, 2017 11:39:09 GMT -5
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 4, 2017 16:23:07 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner I’d forgotten entirely about them wanting to use T’Pau in Enterprise—that has to be the only time forum nerd-rage has accomplished something positive, right? Or was it a matter of realizing they’d have to pay the Sturgeon estate? I believe it was the Sturgeon thing, yeah. This is allegedly also why Robert Duncan McNeil didn't just play his Next Generation character on Voyager (although the argument also exists he is a different character because that allowed them to tweak the character as one who is more sympathetic.) I actually think the different direction they took with Tom was a good one—Locarno was very much a type-A asshole, whereas Paris was more someone who was talented, but because he was forced into Starfleet ended up with a ton of baggage. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Apr 4, 2017 20:29:46 GMT -5
Jean-Luc Lemur I don't know - the last thing we hear of Locarno doing (albeit offscreen) was making an impassioned plea on behalf of the rest of his team, which Picard credits as a major reason as to why they remain in the Academy (even as Locarno's expulsion was assured at this point.) Locarno was an asshole, but one who prioritised his team above everything else (which come to think of it is another way he differs from how Paris was introduced - Paris, Starfleet dropout and 'mercenary' ex-Maquis turncoat, is a man without a group identity.)
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Post by dＬᵒ on Apr 5, 2017 1:36:09 GMT -5
Ok I fucked up, I thought the original name was Jeffrey Archer and that he was a small timer in the vein of the Green River Killer. I have no idea where this info came from or how long I believed it. Also, he was Spike Tucker originally. The presence of a character with the same name on Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the reason they changed that. Spike Lee angrily tweets out the location of the Xindi homeworld. |
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Post by sarapen on Apr 5, 2017 16:23:46 GMT -5
Ok I fucked up, I thought the original name was Jeffrey Archer and that he was a small timer in the vein of the Green River Killer. I have no idea where this info came from or how long I believed it. Lord Jeffrey Archer was a serial killer? |
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Post by Baron von Costume on Apr 5, 2017 16:25:08 GMT -5
Ok I fucked up, I thought the original name was Jeffrey Archer and that he was a small timer in the vein of the Green River Killer. I have no idea where this info came from or how long I believed it. Lord Jeffrey Archer was a serial killer? Hey, you never know, he's hardly a paragon of virtue. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Apr 16, 2017 0:04:10 GMT -5
Why is Mudd a popular TOS character? And why did he get like three whole shitty episodes focused on him? And repugnant sexism of his character aside why would you bring him back instead of a less cheesy character, like Old-Timey Talking Robot Who Says "Non sequitur" To Everything and Asks Questions Like "What...is...singing?", or Actual Abraham Lincoln Floating In Space, or Mr. Hand From Super Smash Bros. Floating Out In Space or Less Obnoxious Harpsichord Q?
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Apr 16, 2017 16:01:51 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I never got the impression that he was, except for people old enough to remember it first-run. I think it’s due to two things: 1. A lot of it’s not so much love for Mudd as it was love for Roger C. Carmel (especially among people who worked on Trek, which backs up why a cryogenic Mudd appearance was scrapped and pretty radically rewritten on TNG—he became the eighties guy in that first season episode with the Romulans—after he died). 2. I get the sense that Trek fandom’s been drifting leftward over the years. Apparently there was once a big Randian Trek fan contingent, of all things, and I’ve read that it popped up in a lot of the early tie-in novels. If you’re looking for a human who isn’t an employee of the government, your choices in original Trek are basically Mudd and Cyrano Jones, and Mudd’s role as a human mercantile rogue is kind of unique. While I actually like the Mudd episode with all the robot twins, I don’t really see why they’re bringing him back, either. It’s nice to see you around again, though, Roy Batty's Pet Dove!
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Apr 16, 2017 16:26:47 GMT -5
Roy Batty's Pet Dove I never got the impression that he was, except for people old enough to remember it first-run. I think it’s due to two things: 1. A lot of it’s not so much love for Mudd as it was love for Roger C. Carmel (especially among people who worked on Trek, which backs up why a cryogenic Mudd appearance was scrapped and pretty radically rewritten on TNG—he became the eighties guy in that first season episode with the Romulans—after he died). 2. I get the sense that Trek fandom’s been drifting leftward over the years. Apparently there was once a big Randian Trek fan contingent, of all things, and I’ve read that it popped up in a lot of the early tie-in novels. If you’re looking for a human who isn’t an employee of the government, your choices in original Trek are basically Mudd and Cyrano Jones, and Mudd’s role as a human mercantile rogue is kind of unique. While I actually like the Mudd episode with all the robot twins, I don’t really see why they’re bringing him back, either. It’s nice to see you around again, though, Roy Batty's Pet Dove ! That's fair wrt Carmel. Mudd's a shitty, shitty character, but Carmel possesses some legitimate charisma. I suppose he makes Mudd into a memorable character, which is more than one can say of the roles played by the guest stars on most of the other episodes of TOS that I hate. I thought the robot Mudd episode was better as well, but that was mainly because it essentially involves paradoxing robots to death which is probably my favorite old-timey sci-fi trope, but there's still an awful lot of "isn't it funny that Mudd's wife is an unbearable nagging caricature of wives", and male members of the Enterprise behaving kinda creepily with the female robots. I just remember reading Handlen's positive review on TOC and then the largely laudatory discussion of the episode from the commentariat and being kind of confused as to why everyone didn't hate the episode. I can see where the Randian contingent of Trek fans came from. Season 3 of TOS gets pretty vitriolic at times towards anything remotely bureaucratic or diplomatic in a way that seems like it would really appeal to someone of a Randian ideological bent. And Kirk's tendency to bend rules that he doesn't think fit the situation (like the kind of very questionable explanations that are given at times as to how the Prime Directive wasn't broken by the way Kirk and co. intervened in another society's problems) would probably be seen as pretty virtuous by libertarian types as well. And thanks; I'm glad to be back! I was just taking a break from the site for a while to kind of focus on managing my time a bit more wisely. |
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