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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2016 17:15:59 GMT -5
Well, I don't have a problem with horror movie characters occasionally doing something stupid. Hell, if it wasn't for John Hurt's character stupidly putting his face near the open alien egg, this entire series would have never happened. All genre movies have certain dumb conventions that are a part of their DNA. As long as there isn't a scene of a biologist trying to pet a creepy looking alien snake, I'm good. EDIT: There better be a good explanation for the shower scene. Nobody is horny enough to have sex while a penis-headed monstrosity is on the loose. my guess is that they dont know it is on the loose. It does feel weird though that scott is bringing in a slasher cliche though. It feels so out of place in an alien film.
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Post by ganews on Dec 27, 2016 14:07:38 GMT -5
If Darth Vader is supposed to be the baddest motherfucker out there, how come his light saber vs. light saber stats don't stand up in the trilogy and the prequels?
win-loss-tie Obi-Wan 2-1-0. (beat Darth Maul, lost to Dooku, beat Anakin) Luke 1-1-0. (lost to Vader, beat Vader) Darth Maul 1-1-0. (beat Qui-Gon, lost to Obi-Wan) Darth Vader 1-1-1. (tied Old Ben who surrendered, beat Luke, lost to Luke) Dooku 1-1-1. (beat Obi-Wan and Anakin, lost to Anakin, tied vs. Yoda) Anakin 1-2-0. (lost to Count Dooku, beat Dooku, lost to Obi-Wan) Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. (arguable whether he beat or tied Yoda by light saber) Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. (tied Dooku, lost to Palpatine. You could also say he tied Palpatine, as the Force use was more decisive.) Old Ben 0-0-1. (tied Vader by surrender) Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0. (lost to Maul.)
Combining characters across time: Obi-Wan 2-1-1. Darth Vader 2-3-1. Luke 1-1-0. Darth Maul 1-1-0. Dooku 1-1-1. Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0.
If you want to give Count Dooku an extra point for beating two Jedi at once, I break it down thusly: Obi-Wan 2-1-1. Darth Vader 2-3-1. Dooku 2-1-1. Luke 1-1-0. Darth Maul 1-1-0. Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0.
Verdict: the prequels should have been about Obi-Wan, the Jedi with the best record in light saber vs. light saber battle; the Jedi who mentored the boy who would help destroy the order; the Jedi who first mentored the hero of the rebellion.
At least we can agree that Qui-Gon sucked.
ETA: let's say Vader beating Old Ben is a straight defeat, which I disagree with but let's say. That makes Obi-Wan 2-2-0, Darth Vader 3-3-0. Puts Vader at the top in football but with an equal batting average. Ought to be better for the unassailable bad-ass of the galaxy.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 27, 2016 14:17:16 GMT -5
If Darth Vader is supposed to be the baddest motherfucker out there, how come his light saber vs. light saber stats don't stand up in the trilogy and the prequels? win-loss-tieObi-Wan 2-1-0. (beat Darth Maul, lost to Dooku, beat Anakin) Luke 1-1-0. (lost to Vader, beat Vader) Darth Maul 1-1-0. (beat Qui-Gon, lost to Obi-Wan) Darth Vader 1-1-1. (tied Old Ben who surrendered, beat Luke, lost to Luke) Dooku 1-1-1. (beat Obi-Wan and Anakin, lost to Anakin, tied vs. Yoda) Anakin 1-2-0. (lost to Count Dooku, beat Dooku, lost to Obi-Wan) Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. (arguable whether he beat or tied Yoda by light saber) Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. (tied Dooku, lost to Palpatine. You could also say he tied Palpatine, as the Force use was more decisive.) Old Ben 0-0-1. (tied Vader by surrender) Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0. (lost to Maul.) Combining characters across time: Obi-Wan 2-1-1. Darth Vader 2-3-1. Luke 1-1-0. Darth Maul 1-1-0. Dooku 1-1-1. Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0. If you want to give Count Dooku an extra point for beating two Jedi at once, I break it down thusly: Obi-Wan 2-1.5-1. Darth Vader 2-3.5-1. Dooku 2-1-1. Luke 1-1-0. Darth Maul 1-1-0. Palpatine 1-0-0 or 0-0-1. Yoda 0-1-1 or 0-0-2. Qui-Gon Jinn 0-1-0. Verdict: the prequels should have been about Obi-Wan, the Jedi with the best record in light saber vs. light saber battle; the Jedi who mentored the boy who would help destroy the order; the Jedi who first mentored the hero of the rebellion. At least we can agree that Qui-Gon sucked. n is too small for each of these characters to extrapolate any meaningful conclusions regarding their lightsabering skills.
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Post by ganews on Dec 27, 2016 14:23:19 GMT -5
Verdict: the prequels should have been about Obi-Wan, the Jedi with the best record in light saber vs. light saber battle; the Jedi who mentored the boy who would help destroy the order; the Jedi who first mentored the hero of the rebellion. At least we can agree that Qui-Gon sucked. n is too small for each of these characters to extrapolate any meaningful conclusions regarding their lightsabering skills. True enough, but I just realized Vader doesn't live up to his reputation, especially if you factor in the prequels. And that he doesn't even really have a reputation in the movies, except he's the last one known to the Empire and he impressed Ben back in the day. What he really does is be tall, wear black, have James Earl Jones' voice, and choke people.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 27, 2016 21:09:57 GMT -5
n is too small for each of these characters to extrapolate any meaningful conclusions regarding their lightsabering skills. True enough, but I just realized Vader doesn't live up to his reputation, especially if you factor in the prequels. And that he doesn't even really have a reputation in the movies, except he's the last one known to the Empire and he impressed Ben back in the day. What he really does is be tall, wear black, have James Earl Jones' voice, and choke people. The writing for his character was so bad. Even worse than the writing for all the other characters. You are correct, though. The prequels should have been about Obi-Wan. There was a much better story to be told about him. Even with the paltry story the prequels gave us, I still found Obi-Wan to be the most interesting character. Alas.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jan 9, 2017 11:16:45 GMT -5
Films should be released internationally on the same goddam day. No, I don't care about regional variations and the law thereof.
In unrelated matters The Love Witch doesn't get a UK release until March.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 9, 2017 11:51:05 GMT -5
n is too small for each of these characters to extrapolate any meaningful conclusions regarding their lightsabering skills. True enough, but I just realized Vader doesn't live up to his reputation, especially if you factor in the prequels. And that he doesn't even really have a reputation in the movies, except he's the last one known to the Empire and he impressed Ben back in the day. What he really does is be tall, wear black, have James Earl Jones' voice, and choke people. Which, isn't a terrible starting baseline, really. The one that REALLY doesn't add up is when you think about "great pilot" Anakin Skywalker getting chumped out in his custom TIE fighter. How the hell does the Falcon manage to sneak up and clip them?!
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 9, 2017 17:32:26 GMT -5
Films should be released internationally on the same goddam day. No, I don't care about regional variations and the law thereof. In unrelated matters The Love Witch doesn't get a UK release until March. Movies come out on Thursdays in Israel, because the weekend is Friday/Saturday. Impressively, some actually come out within a week of their US release, and at least one movie I'm in comes out there a day earlier. But usually it's a couple weeks or even months later for smaller films and that is terrible.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jan 9, 2017 18:20:07 GMT -5
We always get Marvel movies a few days before America. Now if only I loved the damn things.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 9, 2017 19:02:34 GMT -5
We always get Marvel movies a few days before America. Now if only I loved the damn things. We got all the Marvel movies like a week before they came out in America save for Ant-Man which came out a month later for some goddamn reason.
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Post by Hawkguy on Jan 10, 2017 8:42:46 GMT -5
True enough, but I just realized Vader doesn't live up to his reputation, especially if you factor in the prequels. And that he doesn't even really have a reputation in the movies, except he's the last one known to the Empire and he impressed Ben back in the day. What he really does is be tall, wear black, have James Earl Jones' voice, and choke people. Which, isn't a terrible starting baseline, really. The one that REALLY doesn't add up is when you think about "great pilot" Anakin Skywalker getting chumped out in his custom TIE fighter. How the hell does the Falcon manage to sneak up and clip them?! Well the Falcon doesn't clip him. They shoot one tie down and Vader's other wingman freaks out and hits him.
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 10, 2017 9:00:55 GMT -5
Which, isn't a terrible starting baseline, really. The one that REALLY doesn't add up is when you think about "great pilot" Anakin Skywalker getting chumped out in his custom TIE fighter. How the hell does the Falcon manage to sneak up and clip them?! Well the Falcon doesn't clip him. They shoot one tie down and Vader's other wingman freaks out and hits him. Still!
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jan 10, 2017 10:01:29 GMT -5
True enough, but I just realized Vader doesn't live up to his reputation, especially if you factor in the prequels. And that he doesn't even really have a reputation in the movies, except he's the last one known to the Empire and he impressed Ben back in the day. What he really does is be tall, wear black, have James Earl Jones' voice, and choke people. Which, isn't a terrible starting baseline, really. The one that REALLY doesn't add up is when you think about "great pilot" Anakin Skywalker getting chumped out in his custom TIE fighter. How the hell does the Falcon manage to sneak up and clip them?! The thing that always bothered me in that scene is that Vader clearly shoots at Luke before Han Solo distracts him.
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Post by heroboy on Jan 10, 2017 14:12:23 GMT -5
Which, isn't a terrible starting baseline, really. The one that REALLY doesn't add up is when you think about "great pilot" Anakin Skywalker getting chumped out in his custom TIE fighter. How the hell does the Falcon manage to sneak up and clip them?! The thing that always bothered me in that scene is that Vader clearly shoots at Luke before Han Solo distracts him. But if you watch his previous kills, he starts firing, then tracks his beams to his target. So in this case he just didn't have time to finish his shot.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jan 10, 2017 16:31:03 GMT -5
Well the Falcon doesn't clip him. They shoot one tie down and Vader's other wingman freaks out and hits him. Still! <nerd>TIE Fighters are fucking terrible for spacial awareness of your six, even the variations with the panel cutouts. Granted Vader's force abilities should have helped but that was quite the foufoura going on around him.</nerd>
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 10, 2017 17:59:57 GMT -5
<nerd>TIE Fighters are fucking terrible for spacial awareness of your six, even the variations with the panel cutouts. Granted Vader's force abilities should have helped but that was quite the foufoura going on around him.</nerd> This should probably be a separate thread, but pretty much all of the fighters are terrible for spatial awareness. All of the rebel fighters except the B-wing have their cockpits mounted on top with wings immediately on either side. At least the TIE fighters are designed for greater maneuverability in a three-dimensional battlefield. The only ship that takes full advantage of space combat is the Millennium Falcon (and most Correllian ships) because it has gyroscopic turrets on its dorsal and ventral, as did its inspiration, the B-29.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Jan 10, 2017 18:34:38 GMT -5
<nerd>TIE Fighters are fucking terrible for spacial awareness of your six, even the variations with the panel cutouts. Granted Vader's force abilities should have helped but that was quite the foufoura going on around him.</nerd> This should probably be a separate thread, but pretty much all of the fighters are terrible for spatial awareness. All of the rebel fighters except the B-wing have their cockpits mounted on top with wings immediately on either side. At least the TIE fighters are designed for greater maneuverability in a three-dimensional battlefield. The only ship that takes full advantage of space combat is the Millennium Falcon (and most Correllian ships) because it has gyroscopic turrets on its dorsal and ventral, as did its inspiration, the B-29. At least the rebel ships can do a quick flip and have a decent view Also Canonically (though maybe not now?) Y-Wings have a rear seat gunner/navigator/bomber with a mini turret that the rebellion only rarely had the manpower to fill. Makes sense given they're pseudo ww2 torpedo bombers. But yeah nerdy discussion of starship/figher design probably belong in a different thread. Also... B-Wings are hilarious.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Jan 10, 2017 19:03:47 GMT -5
The thing that always bothered me in that scene is that Vader clearly shoots at Luke before Han Solo distracts him. But if you watch his previous kills, he starts firing, then tracks his beams to his target. So in this case he just didn't have time to finish his shot. He can control his beams? Like a remote control car?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 10, 2017 19:09:22 GMT -5
But if you watch his previous kills, he starts firing, then tracks his beams to his target. So in this case he just didn't have time to finish his shot. He can control his beams? Like a remote control car? NERD ALERT: whoa...maybe Kylo Ren wasn't actually the first to control laser blasts with the Force
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Post by ganews on Jan 10, 2017 19:31:09 GMT -5
He can control his beams? Like a remote control car? NERD ALERT: whoa...maybe Kylo Ren wasn't actually the first to control laser blasts with the Force He's not controlling the beams with the Force, he's firing and then tracking the guns toward the target, just like a dogfight in the War.
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Post by ganews on Jan 13, 2017 9:28:34 GMT -5
I guess I don't care about John Woo-style bullet ballet? I didn't care about John Wick. I was bored by the clips of Hard Boiled today in the "A History of Violence", AVC's best column. If the movie is dumb, great gun action doesn't save it for me. And yet I will watch any kung-fu movie and like action movies in general.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 19, 2017 3:09:33 GMT -5
Sorta cross-posting with the 1977 thread tomorrow:
Suspiria is not actually a good movie.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jan 20, 2017 0:04:42 GMT -5
<nerd>TIE Fighters are fucking terrible for spacial awareness of your six, even the variations with the panel cutouts. Granted Vader's force abilities should have helped but that was quite the foufoura going on around him.</nerd> Why are there TIE Fighters? They're pieces of shit, there's only like them and the even shittier TIE bomber fighter as far as empire fighting air/spacecraft, and the Rebel Alliance, a supposedly ragtag underdog rebellion, has like 90 different things, and they're all vastly superior to the TIE fighters.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jan 20, 2017 1:32:59 GMT -5
<nerd>TIE Fighters are fucking terrible for spacial awareness of your six, even the variations with the panel cutouts. Granted Vader's force abilities should have helped but that was quite the foufoura going on around him.</nerd> Why are there TIE Fighters? They're pieces of shit, there's only like them and the even shittier TIE bomber fighter as far as empire fighting air/spacecraft, and the Rebel Alliance, a supposedly ragtag underdog rebellion, has like 90 different things, and they're all vastly superior to the TIE fighters. The Galactic Empire wages war like an actual empire— as an occupying force first and an invasion force second. Their main weapons are the Star Destroyers; with the TIES operating as scouts, auxiliary defenses, or suppressing fire. The Rebellion is a strike force, optimized for rapid-fire attack with small-to-medium ships that can operate independently of capital ships, which are few and virtually unarmed. With hyperdrive, life support systems, and astromech droids, rebel ships are free to scatter and divert the enemy. The Empire doesn't need to do that anymore than F-15s need to run and hide from the Taliban.
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Post by Celebith on Feb 3, 2017 15:51:35 GMT -5
Movies that cause you to buck popular consensus, past or present. I'm frankly surprised that there isn't already a thread like this, as it's a real conversation starter in my experience. For me: 1. MASH. Goddamn did I hate this movie. According to my film professor who showed this in class, most of his students have turned against the earlier (1969-71) New Hollywood films, and most of us did not like this one. What little plot that is impossible to follow (what the fuck was with the suicide thing?), the ostensible heroes are as loathsome as the people they're supposedly rebelling against, and the twenty minute digression at the end was completely pointless and honestly went against the rest of the movie. I'm going through a bunch of threads I never look at, and I'm not going to tell you that you should like MASH, but it's one of the most faithful book adaptations I've seen. All of the flaws in the movie, and weird side stories like the painless Pole, and the pacing are a direct reflection of the book it is based on. And that was supposedly a 'mostly true' account of Richard Hooker (actually Richard Hornberger)'s time in Korea, filtered through 10 years of hazy memories and booze. But it gave us the 'pros from Dover' and other things like that, so I have a hard time hating it.
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Post by moimoi on Feb 9, 2017 22:44:59 GMT -5
I adore Singin' In the Rain and many other Gene Kelly movies, but I find An American in Paris boring, self-indulgent, and very overrated.
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Post by LazBro on Feb 13, 2017 14:13:07 GMT -5
In anticipation of the upcoming sequel, here's a hot one for you: Peter Jackson's King Kong is a perfectly entertaining, even thrilling, action movie, and Jack Black was an inspired casting decision.
The sequel looks badass, too.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Feb 14, 2017 0:07:49 GMT -5
In anticipation of the upcoming sequel, here's a hot one for you: Peter Jackson's King Kong is a perfectly entertaining, even thrilling, action movie, and Jack Black was an inspired casting decision. The sequel looks badass, too. God, if that movie had been an hour and a half shorter it would be a classic.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Feb 17, 2017 9:55:27 GMT -5
In anticipation of the upcoming sequel, here's a hot one for you: Peter Jackson's King Kong is a perfectly entertaining, even thrilling, action movie, and Jack Black was an inspired casting decision. The sequel looks badass, too. God, if that movie had been an hour and a half shorter it would be a classic. The judicious use of the Skip Scene button on your dvd remote can transform it into a wonderful experience.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Feb 17, 2017 10:36:33 GMT -5
I love how much hellfire talking about 500 Days Of Summer whips up at TOC. It makes me think that liking the Autumn tag at the end (and the rest of the movie) is a good candidate for inclusion in this thread.
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