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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on May 27, 2016 16:05:14 GMT -5
It's a Wonderful Life is a loathsome more with a terrible lesson and awful main character.
This is what happens when we raise a nation on runaway individualism.
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 27, 2016 17:04:07 GMT -5
It's a Wonderful Life is a loathsome more with a terrible lesson and awful main character.
This is what happens when we raise a nation on runaway individualism. "I've never seen it... couldn't get past the title." _Bruce Wayne, 'Christmas With The Joker'
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 27, 2016 17:06:07 GMT -5
It's a Wonderful Life is a loathsome more with a terrible lesson and awful main character.
The English Patient is a good movie. I liked The English Patient well enough the one time I saw it, but Adam and Joe managed to utterly destroy it in under 4 minutes. Using toys.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 17:16:09 GMT -5
Two days after declaring my love for dead man's chest, two days is all it took..... Fuck that abusive monster.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on May 27, 2016 19:16:40 GMT -5
Two days after declaring my love for dead man's chest, two days is all it took..... Fuck that abusive monster. Did you just rewatch it?
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on May 28, 2016 15:02:33 GMT -5
As someone who still likes Woody Allen movies (up to Manhattan Murder Mystery), I have always found Manhattan to be a dull, pointless little nothing of a movie. I enjoy the Gershwin stuff and visuals, but it just isn't enough to justify the rest. Watch Chungking Express if you want to see how to do that kind of thing right.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on May 29, 2016 9:55:34 GMT -5
I really hated There Will Be Blood and the critical acclaim for Brokeback Mountain is mystifying to me (it's not that good of a film!). There, that felt better. Not having seen Brokeback Mountain, I can only speculate that: 1. It was a love story between two men that wasn't a self-important social commentary, which in 2005 was completely unheard of. 2. It was beat out for Best Picture by Crash, probably because the Academy thought racism was a safer subject than homosexuality, which in 2005 was completely true. I'll give you the latter one.
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Post by clytie on May 29, 2016 11:47:44 GMT -5
Steel Magnolias - The Julia Roberts character is a selfish cunt that should have been sterilized. Also, it's ridiculous to cast Daryl Hannah as the homely character and slap and ugly wig and glasses on her. She doesn't look homely, she looks like Daryl Hannah in an ugly wig and glasses!
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Post by clytie on May 29, 2016 12:00:20 GMT -5
It's a Wonderful Life is a loathsome more with a terrible lesson and awful main character.
This is what happens when we raise a nation on runaway individualism. The main character does awful things throughout. The thing that really bothers me though, is that he's declared a success in the end simply because he's popular. So, it doesn't matter what someone does if people like them. Hear that kids! People liking you is the only thing that matters. You do that, and you too can be, "the richest man in town."
Richard Roeper has a list in one of his books called, "5 reasons why George Bailey isnβt such a wonderful guy in It's a Wonderful Life."
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Post by ganews on May 29, 2016 17:09:16 GMT -5
The main character does awful things throughout. The thing that really bothers me though, is that he's declared a success in the end simply because he's popular. So, it doesn't matter what someone does if people like them. Hear that kids! People liking you is the only thing that matters. You do that, and you too can be, "the richest man in town."
Richard Roeper has a list in one of his books called, "5 reasons why George Bailey isnβt such a wonderful guy in It's a Wonderful Life."
Aw, so unfair. We see what is literally the worst day of George's life, where a lifetime of frustration (taking on Billy and the unwanted family business to save the whole town from the capitalistic ravages of Potter) and struggle (his family has always been poor, starting a marriage by squatting in an abandoned house) culminates in the abject failure of his business and lashing out against everyone who loves him. He is so full of guilt and self-loathing, he contemplates suicide. At the end, his lifetime of sacrificing for those around him is rewarded as those he pushed away on his Worst Day reach out to him anyway. Potter says George is only beloved of the rabble because he does so much to help them. The ending is meant to be a refutation of that statement; that it's not about popularity but community and helping each other out. Very Communistic! If one wants to find fault with "It's a Wonderful Life" there are better places to do it, like the idea that his wife would never marry anyone but him in any reality. And Billy really was silly and stupid for literally handing thousands of dollars to Potter while attempting to gloat. Fucking Billy.
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Post by Dellarigg on May 30, 2016 6:00:53 GMT -5
I don't really like 'quirk' (for want of a better term) in films, or in much else. Wes Anderson, Terry Gilliam, last night's watch of Repo Man - I usually fail to be engaged. My favourite David Lynch film is The Elephant Man, followed by The Straight Story.
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Post by Paleu on May 30, 2016 18:07:56 GMT -5
I will probably never watch Oldboy. I'm sure it's a great movie with lots of amazing action, but honestly, the plot of it sounds like the most dismal thing to sit through ever. Sometimes I need more in movies than "bastards fighting assholes" "Bastards fighting assholes" is definitely not how I'd describe Oldboy. It's Korean; they more than any other country know how to present ridiculous melodrama in an entertaining and decidedly not dismal fashion (e.g. The Housemaid).
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 30, 2016 18:55:02 GMT -5
Does it have animal cruelty? I think someone mentioned to me it does (Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring has a bitβitβs still a good film, but the clearly real animal killing got to me).
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Post by Paleu on May 30, 2016 20:15:30 GMT -5
Does it have animal cruelty? I think someone mentioned to me it does ( Spring, Summer, Fall, Winter, Spring has a bitβitβs still a good film, but the clearly real animal killing got to me). Do you consider octopuses animals?
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 30, 2016 20:20:18 GMT -5
Oh shit Iβm remembering the conversationβyeah, no Oldboy for me.
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 30, 2016 21:12:16 GMT -5
Two days after declaring my love for dead man's chest, two days is all it took..... Fuck that abusive monster. Just watch it for James Norrington. That's what I do. *hearteyes*
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 30, 2016 21:13:55 GMT -5
I will probably never watch Oldboy. I'm sure it's a great movie with lots of amazing action, but honestly, the plot of it sounds like the most dismal thing to sit through ever. Sometimes I need more in movies than "bastards fighting assholes" I watched both versions, and while yeah, the hallway fight scene is awesome, I found it pretty much meh otherwise, and the shocking twist was not shocking at all.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on May 30, 2016 21:52:06 GMT -5
I will probably never watch Oldboy. I'm sure it's a great movie with lots of amazing action, but honestly, the plot of it sounds like the most dismal thing to sit through ever. Sometimes I need more in movies than "bastards fighting assholes" I watched both versions, and while yeah, the hallway fight scene is awesome, I found it pretty much meh otherwise, and the shocking twist was not shocking at all. I loved the editing, especially the Buck Rogers-esque montage near the beginning.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on May 31, 2016 10:47:22 GMT -5
I'm super excited for suicide squad. I don't know if that is still an unpopular opinion after the two new trailers, but before I went to bmt and there was only the teaser I know people weren't pumped for it. I was actually indifferent to/annoyed by Suicide Squad up until I saw the trailer that played before X-Men: Apocalypse, mostly because I can't stand Jared Leto. Now I'm psyched for the movie.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on May 31, 2016 10:56:57 GMT -5
The main character does awful things throughout. The thing that really bothers me though, is that he's declared a success in the end simply because he's popular. So, it doesn't matter what someone does if people like them. Hear that kids! People liking you is the only thing that matters. You do that, and you too can be, "the richest man in town."
Richard Roeper has a list in one of his books called, "5 reasons why George Bailey isnβt such a wonderful guy in It's a Wonderful Life."
Aw, so unfair. We see what is literally the worst day of George's life, where a lifetime of frustration (taking on Billy and the unwanted family business to save the whole town from the capitalistic ravages of Potter) and struggle (his family has always been poor, starting a marriage by squatting in an abandoned house) culminates in the abject failure of his business and lashing out against everyone who loves him. He is so full of guilt and self-loathing, he contemplates suicide. At the end, his lifetime of sacrificing for those around him is rewarded as those he pushed away on his Worst Day reach out to him anyway. Potter says George is only beloved of the rabble because he does so much to help them. The ending is meant to be a refutation of that statement; that it's not about popularity but community and helping each other out. Very Communistic! If one wants to find fault with "It's a Wonderful Life" there are better places to do it, like the idea that his wife would never marry anyone but him in any reality. And Billy really was silly and stupid for literally handing thousands of dollars to Potter while attempting to gloat. Fucking Billy. I say it every Christmas, Uncle Billy is the true villain of that movie.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on May 31, 2016 13:03:23 GMT -5
After I watched War, Inc. in 2008, there was a period of about an hour when I thought it was brilliant.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on May 31, 2016 13:34:30 GMT -5
I don't really like 'quirk' (for want of a better term) in films, or in much else. Wes Anderson, Terry Gilliam, last night's watch of Repo Man - I usually fail to be engaged. My favourite David Lynch film is The Elephant Man, followed by The Straight Story.I know we've discussed David Lynch at length, but when it comes to 'quirk,' do you see it as separate from 'surrealism,' or are they both interchangeable to you?
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Post by Dellarigg on May 31, 2016 18:18:30 GMT -5
I don't really like 'quirk' (for want of a better term) in films, or in much else. Wes Anderson, Terry Gilliam, last night's watch of Repo Man - I usually fail to be engaged. My favourite David Lynch film is The Elephant Man, followed by The Straight Story.I know we've discussed David Lynch at length, but when it comes to 'quirk,' do you see it as separate from 'surrealism,' or are they both interchangeable to you? You've probably asked me that before, and I can't remember what I said. So, today, I'll say they're separate, but might as well not be for me.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jun 1, 2016 1:33:39 GMT -5
I know we've discussed David Lynch at length, but when it comes to 'quirk,' do you see it as separate from 'surrealism,' or are they both interchangeable to you? You've probably asked me that before, and I can't remember what I said. So, today, I'll say they're separate, but might as well not be for me. I'm sure I did, but thanks for answering again. As far as the separation of quirk and surrealism goes, I can never personally decide where exactly the dividing line lies. I like to think quirk is 'cuddlier' than surrealism, but when one tips to the other, I just don't know. Seems to vary on a case-by-case basis.
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Post by starforge on Jun 1, 2016 2:42:12 GMT -5
I laughed so hard I cried at the shark scene from Strange Wilderness. I'm a 24 year old microbiologist. It shouldn't be funny. It is.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2016 21:44:48 GMT -5
Saw concept art for Spider Man 4 today and it reminded me of how good the original spider man trilogy was, yes, that includes 3! 3 isn't the best movie but it is not as bad as people say.
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 2, 2016 22:23:45 GMT -5
I would definitely rank the original trilogy 5, 6, 4. That is my exact order as well! Me too! Unless we are 5 years old and ranking tie-in action figures in which case it's 6,5,4. Jedi, hands down, had the best action figures back in the day.
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Post by starforge on Jun 3, 2016 23:09:48 GMT -5
X-men: Days of Future Past is just as good as the Dark Knight. Maybe better.
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Post by heroboy on Jun 6, 2016 13:32:27 GMT -5
X-men: Days of Future Past is just as good as the Dark Knight. Maybe better. You know, there were two huge superhero blockbusters that came out in 2008 and both are sitting at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. I've seen The Dark Knight once, thought it was decent and really had no inclination to revisit it. I must have seen Iron Man a dozen times, and every time I get to the end, I wish it would go on another hour longer.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 6, 2016 15:22:56 GMT -5
X-men: Days of Future Past is just as good as the Dark Knight. Maybe better. You know, there were two huge superhero blockbusters that came out in 2008 and both are sitting at 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. I've seen The Dark Knight once, thought it was decent and really had no inclination to revisit it. I must have seen Iron Man a dozen times, and every time I get to the end, I wish it would go on another hour longer. The Dark Knight - even at the time - was my third favorite superhero movie of 2008, behind Iron Man and Hellboy 2.
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