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Post by dLᵒ on Aug 21, 2016 17:25:11 GMT -5
Whenever I hear our National Anthem, I tut and make a wanking gesture at the source of it. My message is unambiguous. Did you make a wanking motion during the Black Mirror episode The National Anthem?
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Aug 21, 2016 17:27:11 GMT -5
Semi-related: A friend just posted on Facebook, 'Thanks Mo Farah for being one of the very few non-embarrassing things Britain can claim this year.' Upvoted, despite not giving a shit or particularly agreeing with the facebook analysis. I admire his dedication to the sport and how he seems like a genuinely nice, positive person. I don't personally hold athletes as role models, but if I did, he would be one of them. Plus, the fact he's representing Britain on a global stage, winning gold medals left and right, and is originally from Somalia, must piss off so many UKIP and Britain First types. That amuses me to no end.
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Post by Dellarigg on Aug 21, 2016 17:29:42 GMT -5
Whenever I hear our National Anthem, I tut and make a wanking gesture at the source of it. My message is unambiguous. Did you make a wanking motion during the Black Mirror episode The National Anthem? That was no motion, that was really happening.
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Post by Dellarigg on Aug 21, 2016 17:30:35 GMT -5
Upvoted, despite not giving a shit or particularly agreeing with the facebook analysis. I admire his dedication to the sport and how he seems like a genuinely nice, positive person. I don't personally hold athletes as role models, but if I did, he would be one of them. Plus, the fact he's representing Britain on a global stage, winning gold medals left and right, and is originally from Somalia, must piss off so many UKIP and Britain First types. That amuses me to no end. Fair enough, I'll give you the last point.
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Post by Not a real doctor on Aug 21, 2016 17:45:01 GMT -5
Whenever I hear our National Anthem, I tut and make a wanking gesture at the source of it. My message is unambiguous. I'm so confused about what I should have been doing as a young man in the HS marching band playing the national anthem all those awful awful Friday football nights. At home feverishly jerking it, that's probably what I should have been doing.
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Post by ganews on Aug 21, 2016 18:53:12 GMT -5
If you don't like America's freedom of expression to care or not care about the National Anthem then you can giiit ooout.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Aug 21, 2016 19:52:18 GMT -5
Whenever I hear our National Anthem, I tut and make a wanking gesture at the source of it. My message is unambiguous. I'm so confused about what I should have been doing as a young man in the HS marching band playing the national anthem all those awful awful Friday football nights. You should have been at my school. The band never played the National anthem. The Choir sang it instead. Every Friday night.
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Post by ganews on Aug 21, 2016 20:42:32 GMT -5
Just checking: am I the only person here watch the closing ceremony? It's not by choice.
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Post by Nudeviking on Aug 21, 2016 21:22:47 GMT -5
Just checking: am I the only person here watch the closing ceremony? It's not by choice. Here? Yes, but I have it on good authority a couple of people in Toledo are also watching it, so you're in good company.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Aug 21, 2016 21:35:53 GMT -5
I have the Closing Ceremony on tv. I am not paying too much attention. I am doing some reading for class. Not sure NBC can embarrass themselves more than they did during the Opening Ceremony.
There are still a zillion commercials, though.
Edit: Oh, wait, the commentary is being done by Ryan Seacrest. Scratch what I said above.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2016 22:55:47 GMT -5
Thought it over for a couple days, still can't tell if serious or not. Serious. Nobody just blows off protocol when they get to that position. If she didn't bother to put her hand over her heart, she was sending a message. ehh, I don't see the big deal. It is just a hand over a heart, even if she is sending a message it still is just a gesture that is very easy to let go of. If she doesn't want to do it, she shouldnt have to.
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Post by dLᵒ on Aug 22, 2016 0:02:21 GMT -5
I have the Closing Ceremony on tv. I am not paying too much attention. I am doing some reading for class. Not sure NBC can embarrass themselves more than they did during the Opening Ceremony. There are still a zillion commercials, though. Edit: Oh, wait, the commentary is being done by Ryan Seacrest. Scratch what I said above. I had to stop watching because the NBC commentators 𝐣𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐰𝐨𝐮𝐥𝐝 𝐧𝐨𝐭 𝒔𝒉𝒖𝒕 𝒖𝒑
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Post by Not a real doctor on Aug 22, 2016 6:39:05 GMT -5
Serious. Nobody just blows off protocol when they get to that position. If she didn't bother to put her hand over her heart, she was sending a message. ehh, I don't see the big deal. It is just a hand over a heart, even if she is sending a message it still is just a gesture that is very easy to let go of. If she doesn't want to do it, she shouldnt have to. If she don't like it here she oughtta just git back on whatever boat her ancestors come over here on and just go back to wherever it is they came from!!!! Wait. Hmm. there may be a few problems with that whole "boat her ancestors came over on" thing and a few other things that happened in the intervening years that may interfere with this 19 year old gymnast having such a deep, unabiding love for this country. Lemme think about this and get back to you.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 22, 2016 8:23:21 GMT -5
Just checking: am I the only person here watch the closing ceremony? It's not by choice. We watched it. I mean, I took the dog out and so forth during that time, but it was on. also re: Simone Biles Gabby Douglas, sorry - she probably wasn't even purposely "snubbing" the flag or whatever. I come from the least patriotic family ever. We just stand quietly with our arms down when the Star Spangled Banner is on or the pledge is being read. Who cares.
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Aug 22, 2016 10:11:52 GMT -5
It's time for my final blow-out Olympics Tivo Dragnet Round-Up! Here are my thoughts regarding everything I can remember from the last four days of Rio 2016:
-- Thursday was a bit of a blur. Hugs works the late shift on Thursdays, so Boomer and I tend to sit in suspended animation until she gets home, because we're not allowed to do fun things at stately Dick n Hisses Manor without a full compliment of participants. So there was no tivo of the day stuff, and a fairly lackluster approach to the prime time broadcast. I did notice Bolt winning the 200m, though, and that was awesome, because Usain Bolt is awesome. That's my inane comment for today.
-- So, I made some disparaging remarks about the bullshitty bullshittery that is rhythmic gymnastics as an Olympic sport, after the really, really lame demos of it that were included in the Gymnastics Gala. I am now retracting those remarks. Rhythmic gymnastics is FANTASTIC! I mean, it should, by no means, be an Olympic sport. That's just ridiculous. But it SHOULD be on my television CONSTANTLY. Especially when enhanced by commentary by Nastia Liukin, whose most in-depth assessment of a replay tends to be, "That's really difficult." (I half expected her, by the end of the rhythmic gymnastics presentations, to sit silently through a medly of slo-mo replays and then say, "That's five women wearing a lot of make-up.") One of my favorite things about it was the costumes. Hugs and I are both doing a lot of embellished needlepoint stuff lately, specifically Christmassy projects, with lots of sparkly threads and beads and whatnot. As the teams would mince out onto the floor, each in a more elaborately sparkly costume than the last, we'd gasp aloud, "I want to needlepoint them!"
-- American TV announcers, in anticipation of the Germany/Brazil soccer final: "Will a win from Brazil do anything to offer redemption from their World Cup loss to Germany?" Non-American Andres Cantor, without even having to think about it: "No."
-- I love, love, love the track & field relays, and found myself surprisingly tying up my own sense of self-worth in the fates of the US women's and Jamaican men's 4x100 races. Man, it was such a relief to see the Jamaicans get to the anchor leg tied with everyone else, because I knew before he started that Bolt would get that 9th gold medal. And, after a lifetime of being ambivalent at best about track & field, that became a really important goal for me during the last week. You know, because it was a goal for me. I had a lot to do with all those wins.
-- We watched the entirety of the men's marathon yesterday, and it was both fantastic and infuriating. Fantastic because Galen Rupp didn't win, but infuriating because he managed a really emphatic bronze-medal finish. BOOOOO! Anyway, after having heard whatever person it was who tweeted a suggestion at the outset of the games that each event should have a normal person included in the field so that we could really get a sense of how great all the Olympians were by comparison, that was a reality during the marathon. Because there was a wide spectator area lining the entire course, and lot of runners were out pacing themselves with the racers. So you'd get a shot of the lead pack, going along at what looked like an easy, loping jog, and then you'd be able to see, just at the side, some weekend warrior in a full-out sprint failing to keep up with them. Along the entire course! Those guys are SO FUCKING FAST.
-- Oh! Finally, we also managed to tivo both the men's and women's mountain biking events, and that was shockingly awesome (especially the Spanish dude who won bronze, with his sinister chopper mustache). The secret winner of our Rio experience was bicycling, both the road races and mountain races. What incredibly satisfying television! Next best was the team handball (and our TV guide finally stopped lying to us and actually recorded the gold medal match, which was thrilling), followed by the rhythmic gymnastics. We ended up with a scattershot approach, and often didn't get to watch the things we thought we wanted most, but overall this was an extremely satisfying Olympics. Final verdict? Our tivo dragnet managed to suck the marrow from these games, even while being horribly misguided and handicapped by an inability to ever fully escape Bob Costas. Can't wait for the next one!
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 22, 2016 10:33:53 GMT -5
I ended up being out literally every night since wednesday so had to watch a bunch of the events after the fact.
-I really loved the Mountain Biking too. The Canadian woman who charged back for Bronze after the crash at the start (I think she was still in 12th at some point in the 3rd lap) really has to be wondering what might have been with a clean start though. Still serious perserverance when you saw the tiniest of crashes completely take out other competitors.
-The medal matches for Volleyball were insane, some stupendous rallies... Man there's a reason I stopped playing at the JV level though, I do not need a smash in the face like that.
-Seeing Mo Farah double repeat was pretty special too.
-I was pretty happy that CBC felt no need to show any of the Rythymic gymnastics in the primetime coverage, I'm sure they were on one of the sub channels and definitely online but bleh.
-In my CANADA! moment, Christine Sinclair scoring the clutch bronze winning goal in what I imagine was her last tournament as an international mega-star in women's soccer. I can't think of a better rolemodel for the next generation of Canadian soccer player or athlete in general than her performance the last two olympics.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 22, 2016 10:39:41 GMT -5
Also I want to buy most of the men and women competing in the 800/1500/5000m races a burger. Man some of them have scary stick arms. (I know they just have the right body type for that sort of event but still!)
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Aug 22, 2016 10:50:06 GMT -5
Also I want to buy most of the men and women competing in the 800/1500/5000m races a burger. Man some of them have scary stick arms. (I know they just have the right body type for that sort of event but still!) I was marveling at the limbs of the women doing the triathlon, when I saw (repeatedly) the highlight package of the American who won the gold. Seeing them riding 20+ miles on bikes, then running a 10K... IN JUST THEIR DAMP SWIMSUITS, had me agog. There are not words to describe the catastrophic levels of damage I would do to myself attempting such an undertaking, but I guess when you have very slender arms and legs (namely: no chub), chub rub isn't a problem.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 22, 2016 10:54:54 GMT -5
I choose to believe every time the camera isn't on them they're just rubbing astroglide everywhere.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 22, 2016 11:04:27 GMT -5
Also I want to buy most of the men and women competing in the 800/1500/5000m races a burger. Man some of them have scary stick arms. (I know they just have the right body type for that sort of event but still!) I was marveling at the limbs of the women doing the triathlon, when I saw (repeatedly) the highlight package of the American who won the gold. Seeing them riding 20+ miles on bikes, then running a 10K... IN JUST THEIR DAMP SWIMSUITS, had me agog. There are not words to describe the catastrophic levels of damage I would do to myself attempting such an undertaking, but I guess when you have very slender arms and legs (namely: no chub), chub rub isn't a problem. I thought the same thing! Some of them had more "competition" suits on with the shortie part, but even so, I was like "ugh, damp! rubbing! but they're so skinny, no chub-rub!"
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 22, 2016 11:53:02 GMT -5
Just checking: am I the only person here watch the closing ceremony? It's not by choice. We watched it. I mean, I took the dog out and so forth during that time, but it was on. also re: Simone Biles - she probably wasn't even purposely "snubbing" the flag or whatever. I come from the least patriotic family ever. We just stand quietly with our arms down when the Star Spangled Banner is on or the pledge is being read. Who cares. 1. That's unusual and disturbing. This kind of lax attitude toward our national symbols is the reason people think they're being patriotic when they disrespect the flag by wearing it as clothes. 2. Like I said, if she made it to the Olympics, she knew better. Liz n Dicksgiving Pedantic Editor Type It doesn't matter if you're fat, that spandex is torture. Voice of experience from a man who's 6ft and 140lbs.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Aug 22, 2016 12:05:32 GMT -5
We watched it. I mean, I took the dog out and so forth during that time, but it was on. also re: Simone Biles - she probably wasn't even purposely "snubbing" the flag or whatever. I come from the least patriotic family ever. We just stand quietly with our arms down when the Star Spangled Banner is on or the pledge is being read. Who cares. 1. That's unusual and disturbing. This kind of lax attitude toward our national symbols is the reason people think they're being patriotic when they disrespect the flag by wearing it as clothes. 2. Like I said, if she made it to the Olympics, she knew better. You have some peculiar ideas of what constitutes 'patriotism.' Also, 'unusual and disturbing?' Perhaps to you, but certainly not in many parts of American society.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 22, 2016 12:11:20 GMT -5
We watched it. I mean, I took the dog out and so forth during that time, but it was on. also re: Simone Biles - she probably wasn't even purposely "snubbing" the flag or whatever. I come from the least patriotic family ever. We just stand quietly with our arms down when the Star Spangled Banner is on or the pledge is being read. Who cares. 1. That's unusual and disturbing. This kind of lax attitude toward our national symbols is the reason people think they're being patriotic when they disrespect the flag by wearing it as clothes. 2. Like I said, if she made it to the Olympics, she knew better. This is rich, coming from you. You want to move to Israel because you put your religious identity ahead of your national one. The reason my parents don't say the pledge or put their hands on their heart is because they're Mennonite, a religion that teaches that being a child of God, and the world, is more important than their nationality. I am not as religious as they are, but it's completely within my - and everyone's - First Amendment rights to express our patriotism or lack thereof however we wish. The flag is a symbol. The anthem is a song. Those are not my identity and given the U.S.' position in the world not something I want to celebrate.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 22, 2016 12:24:44 GMT -5
1. That's unusual and disturbing. This kind of lax attitude toward our national symbols is the reason people think they're being patriotic when they disrespect the flag by wearing it as clothes. 2. Like I said, if she made it to the Olympics, she knew better. This is rich, coming from you. You want to move to Israel because you put your religious identity ahead of your national one. The reason my parents don't say the pledge or put their hands on their heart is because they're Mennonite, a religion that teaches that being a child of God, and the world, is more important than their nationality. I am not as religious as they are, but it's completely within my - and everyone's - First Amendment rights to express our patriotism or lack thereof however we wish. The flag is a symbol. The anthem is a song. Those are not my identity and given the U.S.' position in the world not something I want to celebrate. I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Gabby Douglas is trying to tell us- or our enemies.
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Post by Baron von Costume on Aug 22, 2016 12:28:00 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Simone Biles is trying to tell us- or our enemies. Actually it's not that at all since it has nothing to do with Simone Biles, it was Gabby Douglas.
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Post by ganews on Aug 22, 2016 12:33:49 GMT -5
This is rich, coming from you. You want to move to Israel because you put your religious identity ahead of your national one. The reason my parents don't say the pledge or put their hands on their heart is because they're Mennonite, a religion that teaches that being a child of God, and the world, is more important than their nationality. I am not as religious as they are, but it's completely within my - and everyone's - First Amendment rights to express our patriotism or lack thereof however we wish. The flag is a symbol. The anthem is a song. Those are not my identity and given the U.S.' position in the world not something I want to celebrate. I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Simone Biles is trying to tell us- or our enemies. I hope for the sake of consistency you have similar feelings about Tommie Smith and John Carlos.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 22, 2016 12:36:10 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Simone Biles is trying to tell us- or our enemies. Actually it's not that at all since it has nothing to do with Simone Biles, it was Gabby Douglas. I knew that this morning, but Pedantic Editor Type tripped me up. ganews I do now that I know about them!
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 22, 2016 12:49:44 GMT -5
This is rich, coming from you. You want to move to Israel because you put your religious identity ahead of your national one. The reason my parents don't say the pledge or put their hands on their heart is because they're Mennonite, a religion that teaches that being a child of God, and the world, is more important than their nationality. I am not as religious as they are, but it's completely within my - and everyone's - First Amendment rights to express our patriotism or lack thereof however we wish. The flag is a symbol. The anthem is a song. Those are not my identity and given the U.S.' position in the world not something I want to celebrate. I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Gabby Douglas is trying to tell us- or our enemies. I'm sorry I got Simone and Gabby mixed up, I am forgetful sometimes. Thanks for the correx, Baron von Costume. Lot of athletes to keep straight. Point remains, though. But who cares if my reasons are religious or not? That may give me a pass in your book but I honestly don't care what anyone does during the anthem or at the flag, as long as it's not disruptive.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 22, 2016 12:53:22 GMT -5
I'm sorry, I didn't know you had religious reasons. I was speaking more to the "too lazy to bother" crowd. That way lies Bolshevism. Also, Jewish is my religious and national identity. I have two of the latter. And this isn't about me, this is about what Gabby Douglas is trying to tell us- or our enemies. I'm sorry I got Simone and Gabby mixed up, I am forgetful sometimes. Thanks for the correx, Baron von Costume . Lot of athletes to keep straight. Point remains, though. But who cares if my reasons are religious or not? That may give me a pass in your book but I honestly don't care what anyone does during the anthem or at the flag, as long as it's not disruptive. I think that last word might expect why I'm so sensitive about this. I'm from California, where "disruptive" is the highest superlative. So, essentially, being a contrarian dickhead and making a mess is actively encouraged (mostly by rich assholes). Speaking of which, Ryan Lochte is an idiot, the very few people defending him are idiots, the people on Facebook decrying that the very few people defending him are the majority of people because hypocrisy and white privilege and fuck you are idiots. And hey, none of the athletes died or were kidnapped!
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Aug 22, 2016 13:02:22 GMT -5
I highly doubt Gabby Douglas refused to put her hand over her heart because she was too lazy to bother, in fact it might have something to do with the state-perpetuated mass murder of people with whom she shares a skin tone. I'm just spitballing here.
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