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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 9:22:40 GMT -5
All spoilers all the time, this is a thread specifically for those who have seen it or just don't care if they know what happens, and to discuss it freely.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 9:23:46 GMT -5
It gud.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 15, 2017 9:32:44 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 9:34:53 GMT -5
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 15, 2017 9:41:23 GMT -5
Poor Ackbar Poor Ackbar indeed. On a less depressing note, I'm pretty certain that the fight with Rey and Kylo against a bunch of space samurai is the best light saber fight in all of Star Wars. There were some good ones in the prequels but this one was so awesome. |
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Post by Trurl on Dec 15, 2017 12:52:01 GMT -5
I really liked the imagery of the battle on the salt flats, with the speeders throwing up red roostertails and the red explosions. I only wish it was edited to allow you to savour it a bit - there were other places they could have dropped stuff to keep the run time. It reminds me of the scenes in TFA on Jakku around the crashed star destroyer, in that I swear I can picture the concept art it was based on. There is some really beautiful stuff in these movies.
Also, when Laura Dern blew up Snoke's ship (also some really beautiful shots there), in the silence afterwards some guy a few rows down from me, after a beat, said "oh, man". Quietly, but the whole theatre could hear it.
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Post by Trurl on Dec 15, 2017 13:15:20 GMT -5
One thing I'm liking in the new movies (and nb, I've not read any expanded universe stuff - the only SW book I ever read was "Splinter of the Mind's Eye", which I understand is not canon) is how The Force is being approached entirely differently. In the original, the Jedi were all about a zen-like emotional detachment and the Dark Side is all "embrace your hatred" power-of-the-id. In TFA and this, Rey just *rages* when she's fighting - in all her fights she's screaming with anger and there's no real fear she'll go to the dark side.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 17:52:00 GMT -5
For all the interesting things with the force done in last jedi, I definitely feel like the sequel trilogy has got the force more wrong than right. Like the dumbest thing in either this or Force Awakens was Leia in space, even for a fantastical setting like star wars it was a step way too far. Nothing beats space, except space magic I suppose.
Other than that one moment though, I really really liked this film. It is much better than Force Awakens. Force Awakens is a nice fun film, but mostly a rehash of the original trilogy and doesn't do much to really set itself apart from any of the other movies. It is just there, which isn't bad, but isn't really fulfilling.
The Last Jedi is what was needed for the sequel trilogy to really stand by itself. It went places I honestly didn't think Disney would ever go. It took some risks for a big blockbuster franchise and imo pulled it off expertly.
Having Kylo Ren kill Snoke was jaw dropping and awesome, even more awesome that he didn't turn good or even go into an anti hero spot. He just did it because he wants to rule. It also helps really build Kylo Ren as a character, despite the conflict in himself he is still a bad guy, one who isn't just a darth vader clone but also a very damaged individual emotionally. Ren is the villain this series needed, and might just be the best written character in all of the movies. Also, great subversion on Snoke, while I think some backstory would help, im glad he isn't some former character, it would have been contrived and just a nostalgia pop, like Chewie and Yoda in the prequels. It would just end up being stupid, which brings up another very good thing.
Rey's parents are nobodies, they don't fucking matter. Rey isn't a "chosen one". She is making her own destiny. It doesn't feel like it constricts the universe, like having obi wan or luke be her dad, and makes her character feel different from the skywalker clan. As well as putting a new thought on the "force awakening", when taken into context of the last scene with the stable boy who could use the force. She possibly is just one of many, and someone who is fighting to make a path for herself, to mean something to be something, instead of being a worthless castoff on a junk planet. It makes the movie a lot better, and was something that needed to happen if this trilogy was gonna be anything other than an easy cash grab.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 15, 2017 18:56:07 GMT -5
For all the interesting things with the force done in last jedi, I definitely feel like the sequel trilogy has got the force more wrong than right. Like the dumbest thing in either this or Force Awakens was Leia in space, even for a fantastical setting like star wars it was a step way too far. Nothing beats space, except space magic I suppose. Other than that one moment though, I really really liked this film. It is much better than Force Awakens. Force Awakens is a nice fun film, but mostly a rehash of the original trilogy and doesn't do much to really set itself apart from any of the other movies. It is just there, which isn't bad, but isn't really fulfilling. The Last Jedi is what was needed for the sequel trilogy to really stand by itself. It went places I honestly didn't think Disney would ever go. It took some risks for a big blockbuster franchise and imo pulled it off expertly. Having Kylo Ren kill Snoke was jaw dropping and awesome, even more awesome that he didn't turn good or even go into an anti hero spot. He just did it because he wants to rule. It also helps really build Kylo Ren as a character, despite the conflict in himself he is still a bad guy, one who isn't just a darth vader clone but also a very damaged individual emotionally. Ren is the villain this series needed, and might just be the best written character in all of the movies. Also, great subversion on Snoke, while I think some backstory would help, im glad he isn't some former character, it would have been contrived and just a nostalgia pop, like Chewie and Yoda in the prequels. It would just end up being stupid, which brings up another very good thing. Rey's parents are nobodies, they don't fucking matter. Rey isn't a "chosen one". She is making her own destiny. It doesn't feel like it constricts the universe, like having obi wan or luke be her dad, and makes her character feel different from the skywalker clan. As well as putting a new thought on the "force awakening", when taken into context of the last scene with the stable boy who could use the force. She possibly is just one of many, and someone who is fighting to make a path for herself, to mean something to be something, instead of being a worthless castoff on a junk planet. It makes the movie a lot better, and was something that needed to happen if this trilogy was gonna be anything other than an easy cash grab. Will have more thoughts later. I honestly hope they don’t walk back the “Rey’s parents are basically extras in the Star Wars Universe,” bit of her backstory (the person who told her was Kylo Ren who could very well had been lying to convince her to join) since it really makes her entire journey more meaningful and fits better with what the new Rebels are. None of them are Princesses or descendants of great heroes. They’re janitors and daughters of miners who became mechanics and women whose parents sold her off for beer money. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2017 19:05:54 GMT -5
For all the interesting things with the force done in last jedi, I definitely feel like the sequel trilogy has got the force more wrong than right. Like the dumbest thing in either this or Force Awakens was Leia in space, even for a fantastical setting like star wars it was a step way too far. Nothing beats space, except space magic I suppose. Other than that one moment though, I really really liked this film. It is much better than Force Awakens. Force Awakens is a nice fun film, but mostly a rehash of the original trilogy and doesn't do much to really set itself apart from any of the other movies. It is just there, which isn't bad, but isn't really fulfilling. The Last Jedi is what was needed for the sequel trilogy to really stand by itself. It went places I honestly didn't think Disney would ever go. It took some risks for a big blockbuster franchise and imo pulled it off expertly. Having Kylo Ren kill Snoke was jaw dropping and awesome, even more awesome that he didn't turn good or even go into an anti hero spot. He just did it because he wants to rule. It also helps really build Kylo Ren as a character, despite the conflict in himself he is still a bad guy, one who isn't just a darth vader clone but also a very damaged individual emotionally. Ren is the villain this series needed, and might just be the best written character in all of the movies. Also, great subversion on Snoke, while I think some backstory would help, im glad he isn't some former character, it would have been contrived and just a nostalgia pop, like Chewie and Yoda in the prequels. It would just end up being stupid, which brings up another very good thing. Rey's parents are nobodies, they don't fucking matter. Rey isn't a "chosen one". She is making her own destiny. It doesn't feel like it constricts the universe, like having obi wan or luke be her dad, and makes her character feel different from the skywalker clan. As well as putting a new thought on the "force awakening", when taken into context of the last scene with the stable boy who could use the force. She possibly is just one of many, and someone who is fighting to make a path for herself, to mean something to be something, instead of being a worthless castoff on a junk planet. It makes the movie a lot better, and was something that needed to happen if this trilogy was gonna be anything other than an easy cash grab. Will have more thoughts later. I honestly hope they don’t walk back the “Rey’s parents are basically extras in the Star Wars Universe,” bit of her backstory (the person who told her was Kylo Ren who could very well had been lying to convince her to join) since it really makes her entire journey more meaningful and fits better with what the new Rebels are. None of them are Princesses or descendants of great heroes. They’re janitors and daughters of miners who became mechanics and women whose parents sold her off for beer money. I dont think he was lying to get her to join. He doesn't really seem the manipulator like Palpatine was. Also, having shared the bond with Rey, the moment they connected (right after rey had gone to the mirror place) it is plausible he saw the truth through their shared bond. As well as the fact the way he phrased it, that she knew all along, she was just trying to convince herself it wasn't that. She seemed to agree on that sentiment, just not on joining him because of it. |
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Post by Trurl on Dec 15, 2017 20:15:23 GMT -5
I honestly hope they don’t walk back the “Rey’s parents are basically extras in the Star Wars Universe,” bit of her backstory (the person who told her was Kylo Ren who could very well had been lying to convince her to join) since it really makes her entire journey more meaningful and fits better with what the new Rebels are. None of them are Princesses or descendants of great heroes. They’re janitors and daughters of miners who became mechanics and women whose parents sold her off for beer money. I dont think he was lying to get her to join. He doesn't really seem the manipulator like Palpatine was. Also, having shared the bond with Rey, the moment they connected (right after rey had gone to the mirror place) it is plausible he saw the truth through their shared bond. As well as the fact the way he phrased it, that she knew all along, she was just trying to convince herself it wasn't that. She seemed to agree on that sentiment, just not on joining him because of it. I'll bet he was lying about how casually they discarded her - that would be in character, at least. I do like that they're actually addressing the idea that the empire's economy is entirely built on slavery. I mean, slavery was always there, in the background, but it was never actually *talked about*. |
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Post by gillianandersoncpr on Dec 15, 2017 21:46:30 GMT -5
So, so many thoughts. I might be in the minority in that I'm not sure that I can say that I liked this film. It has its moments for sure, but for me the balance feels as though it tilts away from them. I might change my mind; it is a crazy lot to digest. TLJ is certainly more complex and ambitious than either of its two direct predecessors, which is a good thing. On the other, this film feels far messier and more unfinished to me, and not as confident or consistent ( Rogue One's reshoot artifacts notwithstanding). Lucasfilm did a fantastic job of hyping this thing, but after watching it I'm not sure how good I feel about Rian Johnson being the architect of Star Wars' future, anymore. I guess that 'unsettled' is probably the word of the day for me. Again, a lot to digest. The bit where Rey senses the Dark Side cave under the island might be the most riveting, amazing thing I've seen in a Star Wars film. It's at least up there. And the big Snoke room battle is a like a fan's fever dream in the best way. This film definitely hits some amazing highs. Unfortunately, the humor really frustrated me. At least a few big, serious moments being undercut with jokes? I just don't understand why you would do that as a writer or director. Subjectively as a onetime devotee of the old Expanded Universe, I'm...not super happy with the direction that the new continuity has taken. And I say that as someone who has generally stayed away from complaining about it, because I understand why it was all reset. Today though, I feel very sad for things that were lost. That said, after the dust settles here, objectively the future might be a good one. I just hope that someday the good guys graduate from being rebels. It has to happen eventually, right? I honestly hope they don’t walk back the “Rey’s parents are basically extras in the Star Wars Universe,” bit of her backstory (the person who told her was Kylo Ren who could very well had been lying to convince her to join) since it really makes her entire journey more meaningful and fits better with what the new Rebels are. None of them are Princesses or descendants of great heroes. They’re janitors and daughters of miners who became mechanics and women whose parents sold her off for beer money. I dont think he was lying to get her to join. He doesn't really seem the manipulator like Palpatine was. Also, having shared the bond with Rey, the moment they connected (right after rey had gone to the mirror place) it is plausible he saw the truth through their shared bond. As well as the fact the way he phrased it, that she knew all along, she was just trying to convince herself it wasn't that. She seemed to agree on that sentiment, just not on joining him because of it. In my estimation, it doesn't play as thought he's lying (EDIT: er, I don't know if I think he was lying...) so I don't doubt it. I am disappointed, though. For me, the notion of Rey being Luke's daughter was appealing not really for the chosen one thing--I'm very, very relieved that she isn't another 'virgence' in the Force, which is what I was afraid of after that ambiguous cave scene--but just in the sense of inheriting traits, heritage. I wanted her to be part of the family and I feel like the filmakers trolled us with a lot of the suggestive moments and marketing, which leaves something of a bad taste in my mouth. Regardless of how one appraises it all, a big deal has been made about Rey and it all feels more like a gimmicky misdirect than any well-honed thematic arc, at least to me. However, the point about the new generation of rebels being random people is a good one. I like that idea; I just wish that it didn't feel as though soon there aren't going to be any descendants of the classic characters left. Harsh realm. |
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 15, 2017 23:59:36 GMT -5
This was The Empire Strikes Back of Star Wars movies not named 'The Empire Strikes Back'
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Post by Hawkguy on Dec 16, 2017 0:01:45 GMT -5
Can we talk about how damn good mark hamill is?
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 16, 2017 0:08:23 GMT -5
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Post by oppy all along on Dec 16, 2017 0:12:22 GMT -5
This was a dark movie in general, and an EXTREMELY dark Disney movie. The Resistance storyline of how they did a really cool heroic evacuation which was totally cool and made everyone in the audience feel good, but it was costly and it turns out they kinda fucked themselves. And then the heroes keep trying to do really cool heroic stuff to save the day, and it only ends up fucking themselves more until they're a tiny force trapped in a hole with the First Order bearing down on them.
Seriously Poe Dameron needs to be court-martialled.
And at the end, they've lost. They have no military force with which to oppose The First Order. They put up their 'we're fucked please send help' signal, and nobody came. The First Order has wiped out the political order established after the end of Return of the Jedi and seized control. But hey, porgs!
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Post by Hawkguy on Dec 16, 2017 0:22:07 GMT -5
This was a dark movie in general, and an EXTREMELY dark Disney movie. The Resistance storyline of how they did a really cool heroic evacuation which was totally cool and made everyone in the audience feel good, but it was costly and it turns out they kinda fucked themselves. And then the heroes keep trying to do really cool heroic stuff to save the day, and it only ends up fucking themselves more until they're a tiny force trapped in a hole with the First Order bearing down on them. Seriously Poe Dameron needs to be court-martialled. And at the end, they've lost. They have no military force with which to oppose The First Order. They put up their 'we're fucked please send help' signal, and nobody came. The First Order has wiped out the political order established after the end of Return of the Jedi and seized control. But hey, porgs! Yea like compared to empire shits pretty bad right now |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 0:50:50 GMT -5
This was a dark movie in general, and an EXTREMELY dark Disney movie. The Resistance storyline of how they did a really cool heroic evacuation which was totally cool and made everyone in the audience feel good, but it was costly and it turns out they kinda fucked themselves. And then the heroes keep trying to do really cool heroic stuff to save the day, and it only ends up fucking themselves more until they're a tiny force trapped in a hole with the First Order bearing down on them. Seriously Poe Dameron needs to be court-martialled. And at the end, they've lost. They have no military force with which to oppose The First Order. They put up their 'we're fucked please send help' signal, and nobody came. The First Order has wiped out the political order established after the end of Return of the Jedi and seized control. But hey, porgs!  Mmmm porg |
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Dec 16, 2017 12:07:26 GMT -5
The bit where Rey senses the Dark Side cave under the island might be the most riveting, amazing thing I've seen in a Star Wars film. It's at least up there. And the big Snoke room battle is a like a fan's fever dream in the best way. This film definitely hits some amazing highs. Unfortunately, the humor really frustrated me. At least a few big, serious moments being undercut with jokes? I just don't understand why you would do that as a writer or director. Subjectively as a onetime devotee of the old Expanded Universe, I'm...not super happy with the direction that the new continuity has taken. And I say that as someone who has generally stayed away from complaining about it, because I understand why it was all reset. Today though, I feel very sad for things that were lost. That said, after the dust settles here, objectively the future might be a good one. I just hope that someday the good guys graduate from being rebels. It has to happen eventually, right? Yeah, they needed to dial the ol' joke-o-meter back by at least 25%. Some of them were quite good, but too many at the wrong times were overkill. What I liked about Zahn's books were the balance that they struck between the struggles of the Rebels attempting to rebuild the Republic and the very ominous threat of the Imperial remnant. This movie serves as the CTRL+ALT+DEL of Star Wars. All of the old heroes are dead, save Chewie, and they have to man up from scratch. The casino planet was completely unnecessary, and that last scene with the kids...I get what they were going for but yeesh. The thing is, I liked it overall. While I get some of the points made by the people leaving negative reviews on RT and Metacritic, I felt better about this one immediately after viewing than I did Force Awakens. I dunno. I guess I'll just have to watch it again. Also, how exactly do "bombers" as such work in a low gravity environment? Just send in the damn B-Wings already. |
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Post by The Thanksgiving Goblin. on Dec 16, 2017 13:08:46 GMT -5
episode 9 is gonna have a significant time skip
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 14:04:12 GMT -5
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 16, 2017 18:40:52 GMT -5
I didn't feel like there was too much humor at all, in fact it seemed like there were markedly less jokes than TFA.
I liked it a lot overall. Felt a little sluggish for the first half but everything after everyone got to Snoke's ship was gold. Agree with Nude that the fight with his guards was one of if not the best lightsaber battle ever. And the salt flats planet was gorgeous and made for a ton of great shots.
Assorted thoughts:
-Was surprised at how big of a role the Rose girl had, I had no idea she was going to be a character or who the actress was.
-The digression to the casino planet was kind of odd. They're looking for a specific guy who they never even talk to but just happen to meet someone who can do his job.
-Was convinced Laura Dern was actively evil for a while so that was good unpredictability. Loved when she went to lightspeed right through the mothership.
-Opening space battle was really good. Always feel like it is probably tough to come up with new things to do in those but the bombers were cool.
-Ridley is so good. Not saying anything new but it's so cool they made the main character a woman
-Obvious fanboy freakout when Luke said "I'm not the last Jedi" and it cut to her
-Driver is also really good and Ren is a great character. I knew he wasn't going to stay allied with Rey for much longer than that battle but still really well done.
-Holy fuck Oscar Isaac is dreamy
EDIT: I forgot to mention the most obvious flaw which is that it's too long obviously. But I can live with it.
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 16, 2017 21:18:07 GMT -5
I didn't feel like there was too much humor at all, in fact it seemed like there were markedly less jokes than TFA. Not so much the joking but I noticed a lot more PG swearing in this one than any of the past Star Wars. Like I know Obi Wan says, "He was afraid you'd follow me on some damned fool idealistic crusade," in New Hope and Han yells about "SEE YOU IN HELL!" in Empire but other than those it's mostly "poodoo" and "scruffy looking nerf herders." This time around there were damns and hells and "big asses" a plenty which kind of felt weird and out of place. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2017 21:58:04 GMT -5
I didn't feel like there was too much humor at all, in fact it seemed like there were markedly less jokes than TFA. Not so much the joking but I noticed a lot more PG swearing in this one than any of the past Star Wars. Like I know Obi Wan says, "He was afraid you'd follow me on some damned fool idealistic crusade," in New Hope and Han yells about "SEE YOU IN HELL!" in Empire but other than those it's mostly "poodoo" and "scruffy looking nerf herders." This time around there were damns and hells and "big asses" a plenty which kind of felt weird and out of place. That is purely just an extension of George Lucas not being involved in the screenwriting process. His dialogue is so different that it would be hard to replicate. The dialogue for FA and LJ play out like a current big budget blockbuster does, all the other star wars films, wildly different because Lucas is fucking weird. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 17, 2017 2:46:29 GMT -5
I've now seen it. I loved it! Blows Force Awakens out of the water. Oh my God, so many good things.
First though, wow, it is way too long. There are some sections in the middle which really drag. And I'm still not sure why Laura Dern's character didn't just tell Poe the plan. It feels very artificial, with everything designed so that Poe could learn a lesson. I also didn't understand why she wasn't even making a show of "Sure, let's figure out how they're tracking us!" That all felt really weird, and I understand why Poe was frustrated. Finally, I'm not sure how I feel about the Force saving Leia while she is floating in space. That seems almost a step too far for me. But, whatever, I'll take it.
Oh, and it was kinda weird to see Benicio Del Toro in a Star Wars movie. Not sure I have managed to wrap my brain around that.
The rest of it? Wow! Awesome!
Mark Hamill? So good! I loved him in this movie. More on this later.
I loved the opening space battle. The look of the Resistance bombers was very cool.
I really liked the new character, Rose. I thought she was very interesting and a nice addition to the Resistance characters. She has a backstory that brings a lot to Star Wars, reminding us of what they are fighting for.
I liked the interaction between Luke and Rey quite a lot. I really liked hearing (and seeing) the differing perspectives from Luke and Kylo Ren about what happened. I also like the link between Ren and Rey. This brings out very interesting things in their characters.
Kylo Ren is a GREAT character in this movie. I loved Adam Driver's performance. Wow. Thought he may have been the MVP of the movie. (More on this later, too.) I love the direction this film took his character. I love how his motivations were a mirror of Luke's! He is now a great villain.
And, oh my, that lightsaber fight involving Kylo Ren and Rey is fantastic. Wow, outstanding choreography in that. Yes, I agree with the other people who have said this. This is probably the best lightsaber fight in Star Wars. (If you can call it that since the people with lightsabers aren't fighting each other?)
How fantastic that they killed Snoke in this movie, never explaining him whatsoever. My respect for Rian Johnson went WAY up during that scene. Thank you, sir. No more Emperor retreads. Several people in my theater clapped. And to have this undercut almost immediately with Ren declaring that he wants to rule was so, so good.
Speaking of undercutting.... oh please, please, please let Ren have told Rey the truth. Let her really be nobody from nowhere. That feels so badly needed in this franchise. It also isolates Kylo Ren even more.
Now, I was a bit unhappy with the writing for Laura Dern's character, but the way her story finished was great. Whew, that last action of hers caused audible gasps and applause from the audience.
And finally, A+ to the climax sequence on the salt-covered planet. All of it. One of the best sequences in Star Wars. The visual look was so appealing with that red and white color scheme vs the black of the First Order. I loved the crystal foxes. Loved the Falcon coming in to blow up some bad guys. And I loved, loved, loved everything about the Kylo Ren vs Luke part. Mark Hamill and Adam Driver, bless you both, that was sublime. There's a bit at the end, when Kylo Ren realizes what happened, and Adam Driver's face is amazing. His lower lip shakes like a little kid throwing a tantrum. It was beautiful. When the reveal in this scene happens, the woman sitting next to me whispered "Wow", and a large portion of the crowd applauded.
Yes, loved it. May go see it again tomorrow.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 17, 2017 2:52:27 GMT -5
The casino planet was completely unnecessary, and that last scene with the kids...I get what they were going for but yeesh. Oh yeah, I forgot to mention this. I did bitch about this to the friend I was with. Yeesh, that final scene was horrible. The point had already been made by Rose and Leia. We didn't need that scene. |
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Dec 17, 2017 7:56:48 GMT -5
Some random assorted thoughts that I need to get out of my head...
My biggest problem with the movie is that the central conceit is so contrived. How are they tracking them through hyperspace which is supposed to be impossible? Somehow! With A Thing! Next question! So they're all puttering along in space at the exact same speed, with the Resistance just slightly out of reach, and none of the Star Destroyers can just speed up slightly or warp just ahead? And also they can send off a smaller ship that can warp off to Las Vega without anyone noticing? Do they have... MORE of these ships they can use to evacuate people?
The confrontation at Snoke's was really amazing, like nothing we've seen before. And everything from then on out was great. It almost felt like a Nolan movie, where you have a bunch of plot threads separately weaving til they finally converge in a really satisfying way.
YODA. How are we not talking about YODA. Was it a puppet, or just CGI that did a really good job of looking like a puppet? Either way: YODA.
I love Porgs. But c'mon, Chewie. That looks delicious. You already killed and cooked the dang thing. Just eat it! The Toad Nuns also cracked me up. I wanted to see a scene at the end of Kylo blowing away the whole island, and the Toad Nuns who had just finished rebuilding the hut Luke destroyed angrily throwing some rocks into the ground.
It must've been real hard for them to not save the last scene for a Marvel-esque post-credits stinger.
I'm also not really sure how the timelines match up between the time Rey is on the island -- days? weeks? -- and the stuff in space. But then again, the same could be said for Empire.
There were a lot of near-world-breaking surprises, things we've never seen from the Force. It was satisfying how much it tried to break out from the previous mold. Combine that with Rey's nobody parents, and it feels like we finally have a fresh, new thing. ("But c'mon, can't we put a little bit of Death Star in there?" "Fiiiiiine.")
Overall, I'm not sure that I liked this as much as TFA. That one had the advantage of being fresh, and the first good Star Wars in 30 years. Despite largely being a retread, the story felt more significant. This one's story felt a little unambitious. There's no huge conflict, just a chase scene stretched out to 2.5 hours. Still, it's a lot to digest, and I very much want to see it again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 11:18:27 GMT -5
The more I read about the hate the Last Jedi gets, the more I am confused. What people want is stuff that would fit right in with the prequels, Snoke being plagueis or palpatine, rey being a kid of obi wan, luke, or han and leia, a less spiritual nature of the force, luke basically being a boring ass paragon of virtue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2017 11:22:16 GMT -5
That...was FUCKING AWESOME!
I agree with all of the positive points above. As for some of the negatives, I want to add one thing:
The overall theme was that Legends weren't going to save the galaxy any more. Rey is a nobody, Rose is a nobody, Finn, Poe, the stableboy...all of them were the future of the galaxy. Luke became a legend and then fucked it all up. Leia became a legend, and in the end nobody came to save them. Kylo worshipped the legend of Vader, and ended up throwing that away too. "Let the past die...KILL IT, if you have to!"
But holy shit. HOLY SHIT! Kylo Ren was goddamn incredible, and Luke was PERFECT! I nearly cheered when Yoda showed up, set fire to the tree, and giggled, just like he did in ESB. That was so goddamn great!
(And then, did y'all notice, either Luke put the Jedi Texts on the Falcon before everyone left, or Rey took them with her...they were in the compartment at the end when Finn(?) grabbed a blanket for someone. Which makes it even better if Yoda knew they were already gone when he blew up the tree!!)
Everyone did such a fucking amazing job in this.
Luke - "See ya around, kid!" WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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Post by The Spice Weasel on Dec 17, 2017 11:45:24 GMT -5
The more I read about the hate the Last Jedi gets, the more I am confused. What people want is stuff that would fit right in with the prequels, Snoke being plagueis or palpatine, rey being a kid of obi wan, luke, or han and leia, a less spiritual nature of the force, luke basically being a boring ass paragon of virtue.  You know, I'm beginning to think that a lot of Star Wars fans are bitter grumps who would complain regardless. |
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