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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 20, 2017 9:53:41 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are upset over Admiral Ackbar's fate. I didn't know it was him, thought it was just some fish dude. Also, for all the movie's flaws, Luke's death is certainly not one of them. He astrally projected himself across star systems to save his friends and then denied Kylo Ren the chance to kill him. That's a badass way to go. Yeah, I was annoyed that that turned out to be Ackbar. What, was he the only fish dude in the universe? |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 20, 2017 10:14:53 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are upset over Admiral Ackbar's fate. I didn't know it was him, thought it was just some fish dude. Also, for all the movie's flaws, Luke's death is certainly not one of them. He astrally projected himself across star systems to save his friends and then denied Kylo Ren the chance to kill him. That's a badass way to go. Yeah, I was annoyed that that turned out to be Ackbar. What, was he the only fish dude in the universe? Hey, 40 years ago there was only one woman in the galaxy! So, y'know, progress. |
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 20, 2017 10:24:24 GMT -5
Yeah, I was annoyed that that turned out to be Ackbar. What, was he the only fish dude in the universe? Hey, 40 years ago there was only one woman in the galaxy! So, y'know, progress. *Mon Mothma punches wall in anger* |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 10:36:09 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are upset over Admiral Ackbar's fate. I didn't know it was him, thought it was just some fish dude. Also, for all the movie's flaws, Luke's death is certainly not one of them. He astrally projected himself across star systems to save his friends and then denied Kylo Ren the chance to kill him. That's a badass way to go. Yeah, I was annoyed that that turned out to be Ackbar. What, was he the only fish dude in the universe? The ship he was blown out of was named after ANOTHER fish dude (Raddus), so there's at least two. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 20, 2017 19:38:40 GMT -5
I'm amazed that people are upset over Admiral Ackbar's fate. I didn't know it was him, thought it was just some fish dude. Also, for all the movie's flaws, Luke's death is certainly not one of them. He astrally projected himself across star systems to save his friends and then denied Kylo Ren the chance to kill him. That's a badass way to go. Yeah, I was annoyed that that turned out to be Ackbar. What, was he the only fish dude in the universe? Ackbar's voice actor died last year so it was sort of in tribute to that. |
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2017 1:25:08 GMT -5
So, tonight I saw the movie for the 3rd time. (I might be an addict...)
So, yeah, in the scene at the end the Resistance does say they are broadcasting their signal but are getting "no response, no one is coming". My point is that both modern directors have no concept of space travel time. By the time the Resistance says they aren't getting a response and no one is coming the First Order has already blown the door open.
Just in this same movie, for instance, Rose and Finn take off for the casino planet when there is 18 hours of fuel left. By the time they are locked in prison there is 6 hours of fuel left. And by the time they get back there is likely less than an hour of fuel remaining. This indicates it took several HOURS to fly to this planet. Because they certainly didn't spend 16+ hours there, or spend 5 hours escaping from prison. (Poe sounds dismayed when he hears they need to go to this planet. Ergo, clearly, they can't get there instantly!)
And again, if they had 18 hours of fuel, why didn't they all evacuate to the planet sooner? Fueling the transports can't have taken 18 hours, right? That would be a foolish design flaw. This whole story doesn't really make any logistical sense to me. And I still don't know why Holdo doesn't just tell Poe the plan. He seemed to grasp it quickly enough when Leia explained it.
Whatever, these errors were not as egregious as the ones in The Force Awakens. That one was totally ridiculous.
Anyway, upon third viewing, the movie is still awesome. I still love it. That enraged fanboy reaction mystifies me. When I went in and sat down, the guy a few seats away asked, "Have you seen this yet?" I said yes. He said he had, too. He asked what I thought. I said "I thought it was awesome." He said, "Me, too. I don't understand why people are so mad about it. They must not appreciate good filmmaking."
Anyway, the reason I went to see this again on a Wednesday night is because within about 3 miles of my apartment is a PLF screen with Dolby Atmos sound. This is not reserved seating, so it had a 3-5 hour line all last weekend for this movie. Tonight? Walked right in! Wooo! 600+ seats in this, it was about 85% full by the time the movie started. This is the most popular screen in town.
OMG, worth it. Wow, this movie looks and sounds amazing on this screen. Wowee, that opening scene just looked jaw dropping amazing on this massive screen with that incredible high def surround sound.
Adam Driver is so good in this movie. I loved his performance even more this time. He has such beautifully expressive eyes. He is definitely the MVP of the movie. I cannot get over what a great character Kylo Ren is now. When Rey calls him a monster and he says "Yes, I am"... wow. The scene between him and Rey in Snoke's chamber after the big lightsaber fight is just great. When he asks Rey to come with him and rule, I desperately wanted her to ask "Why?" What new order? To what end? I don't think he knows. My God, he's such a great villain now.
I know Disney is running an Oscar campaign for, like, everything in the movie. But, they should throw a bit more money towards seriously campaigning Adam Driver. I mean, this movie will make a lot of money, so they can.
I still love everything about that final sequence on the salt covered planet. Bless Rian Johnson for leaning into that black, white and red color scheme. It looks gorgeous. Everything about this is great.
My rankings are probably:
Empire Strikes Back
New Hope
Last Jedi
Return of the Jedi
Force Awakens
Revenge of the Sith
Phantom Menace
Attack of the Clones
I don't consider Rogue One part of this saga, but if I was to include it, it would go above Force Awakens.
Big applause for the movie from the Wednesday night crowd.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 21, 2017 1:32:26 GMT -5
This took them over 12 hours to do? So, I feel kind of stupid trying to defend a plot hole with things that aren't necessarily supported by the text of the film itself, but, uh, my guess is that the transports would have limited range so they would want to wait until the last moment until launching them so they as close to the planet as possible. But, that's really just a guess since I don't think it was specifically addressed in the movie. It's actually worse, because I just saw the movie again and it isn't 12 hours they have, it is 18!!! And even if they have a limited range, if the Resistance ships are FASTER it makes no sense that they are locked in a slow speed chase. If they are faster, they shouldn't be keeping a steady distance from the Star Destroyer. They should be extending the distance between them. Which then just prompts the question of why the Star Destroyer can't just make a mini lightspeed jump to catch up? Yes, as you say, none of this stuff makes any sense in the movie. But, I also really love it! The story being told about Luke, Rey and Kylo Ren is so great. So, even though the story with Poe and the one with Finn have a lot of flaws, I still love the movie. |
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Post by ComradeQuestions on Dec 21, 2017 7:00:53 GMT -5
Anyway, the reason I went to see this again on a Wednesday night is because within about 3 miles of my apartment is a PLF screen with Dolby Atmos sound. This is not reserved seating, so it had a 3-5 hour line all last weekend for this movie. Tonight? Walked right in! Wooo! 600+ seats in this, it was about 85% full by the time the movie started. This is the most popular screen in town. OMG, worth it. Wow, this movie looks and sounds amazing on this screen. Wowee, that opening scene just looked jaw dropping amazing on this massive screen with that incredible high def surround sound. I saw it in one of those AMC Dolby Cinemas, with Atmos and HDR screen. It was way too fucking loud, but it looked and sounded amazing. |
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 21, 2017 8:19:16 GMT -5
So, I feel kind of stupid trying to defend a plot hole with things that aren't necessarily supported by the text of the film itself, but, uh, my guess is that the transports would have limited range so they would want to wait until the last moment until launching them so they as close to the planet as possible. But, that's really just a guess since I don't think it was specifically addressed in the movie. It's actually worse, because I just saw the movie again and it isn't 12 hours they have, it is 18!!! And even if they have a limited range, if the Resistance ships are FASTER it makes no sense that they are locked in a slow speed chase. If they are faster, they shouldn't be keeping a steady distance from the Star Destroyer. They should be extending the distance between them. Which then just prompts the question of why the Star Destroyer can't just make a mini lightspeed jump to catch up? Yes, as you say, none of this stuff makes any sense in the movie. But, I also really love it! The story being told about Luke, Rey and Kylo Ren is so great. So, even though the story with Poe and the one with Finn have a lot of flaws, I still love the movie. Obviously the sublight engines are powered by whatever runs the sailing ships in Game Of Thrones. It's the only explanation that makes sense. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2017 8:45:13 GMT -5
So, I feel kind of stupid trying to defend a plot hole with things that aren't necessarily supported by the text of the film itself, but, uh, my guess is that the transports would have limited range so they would want to wait until the last moment until launching them so they as close to the planet as possible. But, that's really just a guess since I don't think it was specifically addressed in the movie. It's actually worse, because I just saw the movie again and it isn't 12 hours they have, it is 18!!! And even if they have a limited range, if the Resistance ships are FASTER it makes no sense that they are locked in a slow speed chase. If they are faster, they shouldn't be keeping a steady distance from the Star Destroyer. They should be extending the distance between them. Which then just prompts the question of why the Star Destroyer can't just make a mini lightspeed jump to catch up? One very smart thing Lucas did was to (mostly) stay away from using any real-time measurements in the movies, and to let times play out very vaguely. If TLJ had simply said something like "We're down to 25% fuel" "We're down to 10% fuel" they could have avoided this problem. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Dec 21, 2017 10:56:50 GMT -5
I will say this: after I saw Force Awakens I came away with the vague sense of "I liked it" but within hours I realized that nothing much had stuck with me. It's been a couple of days after seeing Last Jedi, and I'm still turning it over in my head, wondering if I agree with its message, what this means for the series going forward, and what it says about the current social and political moment we're living in--as O'Neal pointed out in one of the few decent think pieces out there, it's not difficult for liberals to see themselves as the beleaguered rebels, fumbling at old legends in the hope of salvation. TLJ is a movie that says something, where TFA didn't say much of anything beyond "I'm a Star War." I honestly do understand where (some of) the angry fanboys are coming from--not the alt-righters whining about PC culture; they can go fuck off--Abrams set up a nice little sequel franchise with familiar legends and characters and roles and tropes, and then Johnson came along and gleefully kicked down their sand castle--and moreover hasn't concealed how foolish he thinks they are for caring. And I admit that it was a little painful for me too. I would have been perfectly content for Luke to be the new Yoda and Rey to be the new Luke, and for Ren to be redeemed before heroically sacrificing himself, and...but as painful as it is to see a hero like Luke brought so low, I'm seeing how necessary it is in order to keep telling stories in this universe, which Disney seems more than happy to do so for the foreseeable future.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 11:13:06 GMT -5
Compared to The Force Awakens, I will say this:
I liked both when I saw them. Both have some holes. But none of the holes in The Last Jedi make me actually, literally ANGRY like the bullshit Starkiller Beam from TFA. I already liked TLJ more, and the lack of complete and utter bullshit on top of that makes this still, after several days of reflection, my favorite Star Wars film to date.
I am kind of sad to see that Mark Hamill didn't like this version of Luke, but I still loved him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2017 18:30:33 GMT -5
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 23, 2017 21:51:18 GMT -5
I saw it finally last night, and I’ll echo what others have said: I liked it, but unlike Force Awakens, I’ll actually be compelled to watch this one again to really finalize how I feel about it. There’s a lot more to marinate in and feel conflicted about in this one, and even if it doesn’t end up being universally loved, that’s a good thing.
The only thing I feel comfortable saying I definitely disliked was the Yoda scene. I like the idea of it, but it was too much bad Yoda humor for me and, look, I know it’s impossible, but that scene should have been Luke and Ben Kenobi.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2017 22:15:49 GMT -5
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 23, 2017 22:35:15 GMT -5
I don't get people criticizing the hyperspace jump that Admiral Holdo did. They keep saying why didn't she do that sooner. It is clearly because she is acting as a decoy so that the transports can get away without being noticed. It isn't until they start getting fired on that she can pull that move off. Hell, Hux clearly says to ignore the ship because it is empty! If she would have tried doing that before the transports started getting shot at then she would have been blown away. Like seriously, this isn't a hard movie to understand. My bigger problem is - as always - relating to speed and distance of travel in space. If the plan the entire time was to evacuate everyone to a nearby planet, and their ships are FASTER than the Star Destroyer, AND the transports are cloaked..... why not do this way earlier? They only got caught because Benicio Del Toro's character knew what they were doing. Related: What was that ship Finn and Rose used to leave? Do they have other ships they could have used to evacuate people with? This all contributes to making me even more confused as to why Laura Dern's character didn't even make an attempt to figure out how to disable the First Order tracking. I'm also slightly confused as to why they thought help would show up within 10 minutes of sending out a distress call. Doesn't it take hours/days to get from the Outer Rim into the center of the galaxy? See: Episode IV, V, I and II at least. I mean, I know JJ Abrams horribly abused this in Episode VII, but you don't have to let that stand. I was convinced almost to the end that Holdo’s plan was to just martyr the fleet and hope it caused someone else to pick up the cause. (Which I guess essentially is what happened?) |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2017 21:41:14 GMT -5
The only thing I feel comfortable saying I definitely disliked was the Yoda scene. I like the idea of it, but it was too much bad Yoda humor for me and, look, I know it’s impossible, but that scene should have been Luke and Ben Kenobi. "Amazing. Every word of what you just said...is wrong." ESB puppet non-CGI Yoda is the best Yoda. ESB puppet Yoda giggling and smacking Luke on the head with his walking stick, even as a ghost, is the absolute BEST Yoda! |
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Post by Generic Poster on Dec 27, 2017 10:07:44 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but how the fuck did Space Benicio Del Toro "betray" the rebels? All he, Finn, and Rose knew was that they needed him to pick the space-lock to disable the space-tracker thing. Neither Finn nor Rose knew about the secret cloaked transports plan, so how did Space Benicio Del Toro?
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 27, 2017 10:15:09 GMT -5
Maybe I missed something, but how the fuck did Space Benicio Del Toro "betray" the rebels? All he, Finn, and Rose knew was that they needed him to pick the space-lock to disable the space-tracker thing. Neither Finn nor Rose knew about the secret cloaked transports plan, so how did Space Benicio Del Toro? Yea, I was a little fuzzy on that too but I think that maybe Poe mentions it when he's on the commlink with Finn while they are picking the door lock? I really like the idea of the long, drawn out Resistance retreat as something to hang the first couple acts of the movie on, but it was just a little bit too shaggy. |
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Post by Generic Poster on Dec 27, 2017 10:21:04 GMT -5
Also, I appear to be alone in really liking the end scene with the stable kid playing with his Star Wars action figures and swinging his broom handle lightsaber around.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 27, 2017 10:39:09 GMT -5
Also, I appear to be alone in really liking the end scene with the stable kid playing with his Star Wars action figures and swinging his broom handle lightsaber around. I liked it! Also the kid who "force-brought" the broom to himself was the same little kid from Looper. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 12:36:02 GMT -5
I loved that scene, to hell with everyone else who didn't. (Not really, but I liked it a lot. The whole "hope for the future" thing. Plus, the kids telling each other the stories is great, and reminiscent of C3PO telling the Ewoks the story of ANH/ESB!
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 27, 2017 12:48:16 GMT -5
I loved that scene, to hell with everyone else who didn't. (Not really, but I liked it a lot. The whole "hope for the future" thing. Plus, the kids telling each other the stories is great, and reminiscent of C3PO telling the Ewoks the story of ANH/ESB! I didn't hate it, but it did feel a little odd for a middle-of-the-trilogy final scene. Of course, a lot of how Last Jedi ended felt odd for a middle entry. I think whoever said they are anticipating a much bigger time jump to the next movie is correct. |
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Post by Hawkguy on Dec 27, 2017 13:26:18 GMT -5
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 27, 2017 14:14:07 GMT -5
I don't dislike Puppet Yoda, I just thought the particulars of that scene felt off. Also IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KENOBI!!!! The parallels between Obi-Wan's arc and this version of Luke's arc are so fucking strong, literally the only reason they had to go with Yoda instead was because some actor's are alive and hidden behind a puppet and some are dead or would need too much make-up/CGI to disguise that they are Ewan McGregor. |
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Post by chalkdevil 😈 on Dec 27, 2017 14:57:46 GMT -5
I don't dislike Puppet Yoda, I just thought the particulars of that scene felt off. Also IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KENOBI!!!! The parallels between Obi-Wan's arc and this version of Luke's arc are so fucking strong, literally the only reason they had to go with Yoda instead was because some actor's are alive and hidden behind a puppet and some are dead or would need too much make-up/CGI to disguise that they are Ewan McGregor. The parallels with Yoda are pretty strong, too. In exile in on a remote planet. Living as a hermit. Potential student highly sensitive with the Force comes asking for help. Initially refuses but eventually gives in. Dies/fades away. I suppose outside of the reluctant teacher thing it's Yoda and Obi-Wan are pretty much the same. I dunno, Luke spent more time and learned much more from Yoda anyway. He spent, probably, 1-2 days with Kenobi, who started him on his journey. Yoda was really his mentor. Obi-Wan was just like his Jedi guidance counselor. Although, Obi-Wan does did have the facing off against his disgraced former student and dying to allow others to escape to fight another day. It feels too on the nose. Like, Force Awakens on the nose. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 27, 2017 16:08:29 GMT -5
I don't dislike Puppet Yoda, I just thought the particulars of that scene felt off. Also IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KENOBI!!!! The parallels between Obi-Wan's arc and this version of Luke's arc are so fucking strong, literally the only reason they had to go with Yoda instead was because some actor's are alive and hidden behind a puppet and some are dead or would need too much make-up/CGI to disguise that they are Ewan McGregor. I'm not so sure - Luke only really spent a few days, at most, with Kenobi, and probably weeks with Yoda. Granted, the timeframe of both films is kind of difficult to really parse out, but a lot more time seems to pass during Empire than during A New Hope. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 27, 2017 16:11:34 GMT -5
I don't dislike Puppet Yoda, I just thought the particulars of that scene felt off. Also IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN KENOBI!!!! The parallels between Obi-Wan's arc and this version of Luke's arc are so fucking strong, literally the only reason they had to go with Yoda instead was because some actor's are alive and hidden behind a puppet and some are dead or would need too much make-up/CGI to disguise that they are Ewan McGregor. I'm not so sure - Luke only really spent a few days, at most, with Kenobi, and probably weeks with Yoda. Granted, the timeframe of both films is kind of difficult to really parse out, but a lot more time seems to pass during Empire than during A New Hope. Yea, which is always my one nit to pick with Empire...how long exactly are the rest of the group trapped in that asteroid creature or hanging out in Cloud City? |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Dec 27, 2017 16:59:02 GMT -5
I didn't hate it, but it did feel a little odd for a middle-of-the-trilogy final scene. Of course, a lot of how Last Jedi ended felt odd for a middle entry. I think whoever said they are anticipating a much bigger time jump to the next movie is correct. is definitely correct to predict that there's gonna be a big time jump. They have to account for Carrie's passing, after all. My own prediction is that this is no longer part 2 of 3 but part 2 of 6. Do you think the talk of the Rian Johnson helmed trilogy being it's own separate thing is just a misdirect then? |
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