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Post by Prole Hole on May 9, 2018 4:53:47 GMT -5
In which I will, as the title suggests, do a general write-up of a bunch of TV shows as and when the fancy takes me, and give this whole "brevity" thing a try. I watch way too much television, so might as well scrawl something about it, this time dispensing with my usual redemptive reading approach and just bitching away. Or not, if it turns out to be a good show. Spoilers, if I make it far enough into the show for that to be relevant.
What's The Show? The Terror What's It All About, Proley? Other than testing the audience's patience? Two 19th century British ships go looking for the Northwest passage, get trapped as the sea freezes around them, and find themselves stalked by.... something. Wooo-oooh! Tempers run high in the crew (just like BSG), theres's tension on the lower decks (just like BSG), there's unexpected deaths (just like BSG), there's an alcoholic who's doing a poor job of hiding his problem (just like BSG), there's inexpensive CGI (just like BSG), there's two authority figures butting heads (just like in BSG)... Even the Inuit woman that gets taken on board could be swapped out for the tortured Six. So, 19th century Battlestar Galactica, basically, with a bit of Lost's "is this going to go anywhere?", but also catastrophically dull. So. Fucking. Dull. Why Did You Give It A Go? Well the AV Club has yet to give an episode less than an A- so... maybe it's worth a try? Is It Any Good? It's one of a host of recent shows which mistakes "slow" for "thoughtful" or "meaningful", when in fact it's just very boring. Despite the show's name, there's no terror (other than the name of of one of the ships, and you can insert an eye-roll here), or indeed tension, it's just a lot of characters standing about making ponderous comments at each other. Lots of people who seem to be desperately wishing they'd been cast in either Game Of Thrones or Downton Abby put their heart and soul into material that suggests Upstairs Downstairs has been unexpectedly transported onto a ship, but with, like, a monster or something. Yet it's not nearly as interesting as that makes it sound. The performances are uniformly excellent, which in a way is part of the problem. This is pulpy nonsense which everyone's treating as if it's Shakespeare or Dickens, when in fact it's closer to Edgar Rice Burrows - there's a huge disconnect between the performances and what the material can actually support. Also, did I mention it's stupefyingly dull? Because it is. The production values are mostly excellent, especially by SyFy standards - the ships' interiors all look fantastic, and though the ice field that needs to be traversed between the two vessels is a bit 1960's Star Trek, polystyrene rocks and all, there's only so much you can do with a blank ice field so it's forgivable. But good performances (and special praise to Jared Harris, who almost manages to make his Saul Tigh redux seem compelling) and good production can't disguise how hollow this all is at the core. It's pretentious, self-important rubbish, and no acting or set design in the world can hide that. How Many Episode Did You Watch? Five, which is my standard "if it hasn't got me by now, it's probably not going to" limit. So far there's been enough story for maybe twenty minutes, which stretched out over that many episodes is excruciating, and despite all-round excellent performances, none of the actual characters are interesting enough to keep watching for. Oh, and this is another show that thinks showing, onscreen, someone's frostbitten toes getting snapped off by a doctor, or having a leg amputated with nothing but a saw and some whisky, passes for historical realism just than just being gratuitous. Would You Recommend It? No. It's not a complete bust, and the cast do deserve some praise, but they all deserve to be in a better show than this one. It's frustrating, because the premise is actually quite interesting (it's loosely based on something which did actually happen) and you could make a very cool The Thing or The X-Files show around it, which is clearly the vibe that's being aimed for. The problem is the premise is literally the only interesting thing in the whole show. Hard pass. Scores On The Doors? 4/10
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Post by Dellarigg on May 9, 2018 7:05:00 GMT -5
You lasted one episode more than me. I knew it was all over when I laughed at the burial of a severed leg.
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Post by Prole Hole on May 9, 2018 7:27:16 GMT -5
Oh yeah, that was hilarious.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on May 9, 2018 13:37:24 GMT -5
I so wanted more TV shows about explorers, and this is what we’re given…
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on May 9, 2018 14:35:48 GMT -5
I so wanted more TV shows about explorers, and this is what we’re given… Dora wasn't good enough for you??
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Post by Invisible Goat on May 9, 2018 15:24:00 GMT -5
Yeah, I'm a big fanboy of the book but this is pretty disappointing. Lots of little changes that don't seem to serve any purpose other than just being for the hell of it, glacially paced, shoddy CGI (not their fault on that budget but still), etc. etc. Amazingly well cast though and Jared Harris is still the absolute boy. Only 2 episodes left so I might as well see it through though.
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Post by Prole Hole on May 15, 2018 6:05:34 GMT -5
What's The Show? Superstition What's It All About, Proley? Black Supernatural, essentially. But with about a tenth of the budget, and instead of having two hot boys fighting monsters, they have one hot boy fighting monsters, and also Mario van Peebles for some reason. Actually the reason is very clear if you watch the credits, because he seems to have done everything on this show, including writing, acting and directing. The show is set in a funeral home in Georgia because Georgia has lots of film subsidies that's a spooky location, and every week something of a supernatural occult nature will turn up to threaten or engage the central family in some way. Also Peebles's character, Isaac Hastings, is sort-of immortal and knows more than he's letting on... But basically it's just an excuse to dick about with ghosts and demons and the like on next to no money. Why Did You Give It A Go? Because, despite all reasoning, I still throughly enjoy Supernatural and was curious to see what someone giving a not-white, not-Judeo-Christian spin on similar material might result in. What it resulted in was, in fact, a very, very inexpensive version of Supernatural. Surprise! Is It Any Good? I'm not sure that good is exactly the right world, though it's certainly entertaining. The problem - well, one of the problems - is that the budget is vastly inadequate for what the show is trying to achieve. I'm not normally one to criticize shows for being cheap, but the title sequence - the same five-second-long title sequence style that Supernatural has, in case the parallels weren't clear enough - looks like it was made by the same guy who did the special effects for Birdemic: Shock And Awe. It's hilarious, and the fact that the whole show is being delivered with real sincerity somehow makes it all the funnier. Every time we get a shot of the outside of the funeral house, which is always the same establishing shot, we get crows on the soundtrack going "cawww! cawwww!" Every. Time. Once you've noticed it's impossible not to, and it becomes funnier every time. Also, if Superstition is to be believed, Georgia must have the most dramatic lightning in the whole world - it's always flashing away, every episode, when there's a big moment of tension, yet always absent when someone needs to have a heartfelt conversation. The production is hilariously messy and though I don't want to say it's so-bad-it's-good, the show's terribly judged shortfalls are definitely one reason to find it hilarious. Still, it's not all bad - that sincerity of delivery goes a long way to covering up the production problems, and the cast are game and, occasionally, even good. There's some ambition on display here too, so while we do sometimes get unforgivable clichés like a killer doll out for revenge, there's also an episode set inside a universe of clocks. The production - unsurprisingly - can't quite pull off the surrealism of the setting, but there's a rather bracing sense that the show's trying to do things with imagination rather than budget, and that's just how a show like this ought to operate. So yes - good isn't the right word, but it's very watchable, for a whole host of contradictory reasons. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? Nine so far, and I'll see it though to the end of the season at least. This is, let's be clear, an often unintentionally-funny show, but it remains for the most part entertaining and you know - Brad James is hot. So I guess that's a reason to persist. If nothing else the show is rarely boring, and the guest cast have varied between surprisingly great and hilariously church-hall-am-dram, with seemingly no attempt to bridge the gap between those two styles to hit anything like a consistent tone. Which, again, just makes it funnier. Would You Recommend It? Um. For lovers of schlocky, B-movie-style nonsense in need of a good laugh but with just about enough story to carry you through? Sure. Don't go in expecting too much and your expectations will be thoroughly met. If you're looking for a high quality drama about spooky goings-on in the Deep South, then no, that's not what you're going to get and I wouldn't recommend it. Scores On The Doors? 6/10
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Post by fab on May 15, 2018 10:11:46 GMT -5
What's The Show? SuperstitionWhat's It All About, Proley? Black Supernatural, essentially . But with about a tenth of the budget, and instead of having two hot boys fighting monsters, they have one hot boy fighting monsters, and also Mario van Peebles for some reason. Actually the reason is very clear if you watch the credits, because he seems to have done everything on this show, including writing, acting and directing. The show is set in a funeral home in Georgia because Georgia has lots of film subsidies that's a spooky location, and every week something of a supernatural occult nature will turn up to threaten or engage the central family in some way. Also Peebles's character, Isaac Hastings, is sort-of immortal and knows more than he's letting on... But basically it's just an excuse to dick about with ghosts and demons and the like on next to no money. Why Did You Give It A Go? Because, despite all reasoning, I still throughly enjoy Supernatural and was curious to see what someone giving a not-white, not-Judeo-Christian spin on similar material might result in. What it resulted in was, in fact, a very, very inexpensive version of Supernatural. Surprise! Is It Any Good? I'm not sure that good is exactly the right world, though it's certainly entertaining. The problem - well, one of the problems - is that the budget is vastly inadequate for what the show is trying to achieve. I'm not normally one to criticize shows for being cheap, but the title sequence - the same five-second-long title sequence style that Supernatural has, in case the parallels weren't clear enough - looks like it was made by the same guy who did the special effects for Birdemic: Shock And Awe. It's hilarious, and the fact that the whole show is being delivered with real sincerity somehow makes it all the funnier. Every time we get a shot of the outside of the funeral house, which is always the same establishing shot, we get crows on the soundtrack going "cawww! cawwww!" Every. Time. Once you've noticed it's impossible not to, and it becomes funnier every time. Also, if Superstition is to be believed, Georgia must have the most dramatic lightning in the whole world - it's always flashing away, every episode, when there's a big moment of tension, yet always absent when someone needs to have a heartfelt conversation. The production is hilariously messy and though I don't want to say it's so-bad-it's-good, the show's terribly judged shortfalls are definitely one reason to find it hilarious. Still, it's not all bad - that sincerity of delivery goes a long way to covering up the production problems, and the cast are game and, occasionally, even good. There's some ambition on display here too, so while we do sometimes get unforgivable clichés like a killer doll out for revenge, there's also an episode set inside a universe of clocks. The production - unsurprisingly - can't quite pull off the surrealism of the setting, but there's a rather bracing sense that the show's trying to do things with imagination rather than budget, and that's just how a show like this ought to operate. So yes - good isn't the right word, but it's very watchable, for a whole host of contradictory reasons. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? Nine so far, and I'll see it though to the end of the season at least. This is, let's be clear, an often unintentionally-funny show, but it remains for the most part entertaining and you know - Brad James is hot. So I guess that's a reason to persist. If nothing else the show is rarely boring, and the guest cast have varied between surprisingly great and hilariously church-hall-am-dram, with seemingly no attempt to bridge the gap between those two styles to hit anything like a consistent tone. Which, again, just makes it funnier. Would You Recommend It? Um. For lovers of schlocky, B-movie-style nonsense in need of a good laugh but with just about enough story to carry you through? Sure. Don't go in expecting too much and your expectations will be thoroughly met. If you're looking for a high quality drama about spooky goings-on in the Deep South, then no, that's not what you're going to get and I wouldn't recommend it. Scores On The Doors? 6/10 hm. I may watch this now. initial glance at the trailers made me think "man, this looks super cheesy, but I don't know if it's cheese enough?" weird ambition that awkwardly straddles the line can be pretty compelling though. perhaps I'll give it a shot. keep up the reviews!
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Post by Prole Hole on May 16, 2018 6:59:26 GMT -5
What's the Show? Lucifer What's It All About, Proley? "Crime fighting devil, it all makes sense, don't overthink it". The Devil gets fed up running Hell, feeling it to be a job imposed on him by God, so quits and moves to LA, where he becomes a consultant for LA police force while running a luxurious night club. Like you do. There he becomes partners with Detective Chloe Decker and ends up in a cop procedural, whereby each week they get a murder case to solve - like any procedural - while the more religious aspects tick away in the background. Things are complicated by the presence of Dan, Chole's ex-husband, and the fact that she's now a single mother. And, you know, her partner's literally the Devil. Still, Lucifer pulls a very neat trick by having the character of Lucifer be absolutely honest about who and what he is 100% of the time, only to have most people simply dismiss it as "metaphor", including his therapist (it's LA, of course the devil has a therapist. And they're fucking - well, in Season One anyway). Naturally along the way a few people do find out the truth, and Lucifer eventually falls for Decker, just to mess things up a little further, but can't actually reveal who he is. We also get to meet Lucifer's big brother Amenadiel, sent to Earth to persuade Lucifer to return to Hell; Mrs God (yes, literally Mrs God); a kick-ass demon called Mazakeen who's handy with her hell-forged blades...; oh and Cain, as in "...and Abel". That's quite a lot for a police procedural to juggle. Why Did You Give It A Go? It's based on Lucifer, the character from Neil Gamien's The Sandman series of graphic novels and "the Devil leaves Hell" concept is taken from Seasons Of Mist, the fourth Sandman volume. I did my undergraduate dissertation on The Sandman, so there was exactly zero chance that I wasn't going to watch this. It It Any Good? It is, in fact, utterly delightful. The first season is a touch shaky, mostly because it takes them a little time to work out how to use Dan's character to good effect. Playing him as a threat / corrupt cop never landed, but the moment he's shifted into comedy-sidekick mode ("Detective Douche") the character just works, and informs rather than works against the series. While there's much to enjoy in the first season, from Season Two onwards, Lucifer fully embraces its own ludicrousness and it is glorious. Like Legends Of Tomorrow or post-Season Two Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. Lucifer works out how to use its absolutely batshit crazy premise to its advantage and completely leans into it, producing a show which manages by turns to be funny, heartfelt, witty, genre-savvy without just being fourth-wall-breaking, and strikes the near-impossibe task of balancing all those angles against a perfectly judged cast. "The Devil Takes Part In A Cop Procedural" isn't, it's fair to say, an obvious premise for a show, but Lucifer makes it work so, so much better than it has any right to. A big chunk of that comes down to the cast, and Tom Ellis - not exactly a known name prior to the role - is perfectly cast as the title character, able to go screamingly over the top yet remain balanced, and absolutely packed to the gunnels with charisma and screen presence. His casting is a stroke of genius and absolutely key to the whole show working, but there's not a bad performance among the regulars, and the incredibly likable cast really lend credibility to the insanity that surrounds them. Special praise should go to Lesley-Ann Brandt as Mazakeen, who's nothing short of awesome, and Rachel Harris as Linda, the therapist - her role isn't the largest of the regulars, but she invests so much into it that it just comes to life in so many unexpected, fun ways. The last two seasons add Tricia Helfer to the cast, firstly as the aforementioned Mrs God, then as a lawyer, and her role ends up being the unexpected emotional pivot to the end of the show. She is, unsurprisingly, just as excellent as everyone else, her character adding some additional perspective and her inclusion helps to keep things moving. In case it's not clear, I adore this show. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All of them, unexpectedly. The show just got cancelled, so this is as much a memorial to the show as it is a review. In truth, Lucifer is utterly ridiculous and it's definitely not a for-everyone type of proposition, but it's that ridiculousness that just makes it all so much damned fun. Like any procedural not every single episode lands, but Lucifer is able to mine surprisingly poignancy and depth from its very silly premise, and is able to juggle the procedural elements with the more serialized ones with remarkable grace. Would You Recommend It? Unreservedly. It's an utterly stupid show, and obviously the idea of the Devil helping to solve crimes in LA makes absolutely no fucking sense at all, but that's also what makes it so great. Of course it doesn't make sense! And yet... it also sort of does. Lucifer explicitly states that his function in hell was to punish the guilty, and so helping to catch them in the first place is simply a logical extension of that - help catch the guilty to give them what they deserve. When phrased that way, there is a sort of logic to Lucifer helping to catch the very people he knows will end up heading Down Below. The show is able to take that basic idea - that the capturing and punishing of bad guys are part and parcel of the same process - and thread it through the show's premise so it actually resonates and works. It's another one of those balancing acts that Lucifer pulls off so well. This is a fun show, with an absolutely perfectly-chosen cast, and it just knows how to get all these elements to synch up perfectly. I love it, and I'm incredibly sad that there won't be any more of it. Scores On The Doors? 7.5 / 10
UDPATE: Netflix have brought the show back from cancellation hell! Pun entirely intended! Hurrah! Now I'm incredibly happy there will be more of it.
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Post by Ben Grimm on May 16, 2018 7:35:56 GMT -5
I've been watching the show since the beginning, expecting it to be - at best - a Castle-esque "hang out with these appealing people and ignore the plot" kind of show, and I'm absolutely stunned at how good the show got.I'm really going to miss it now that it's gone. And I think you really nailed all of the reasons why it worked.
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Post by Baron von Costume on May 18, 2018 23:35:46 GMT -5
Why Did You Give It A Go? Well the AV Club has yet to give an episode less than an A- so... maybe it's worth a try? Is It Any Good? Despite the show's name, there's no terror (other than the name of of one of the ships, and you can insert an eye-roll here) While I agree with most of your points, the fact that you would eye-roll here confuses me?
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Post by Prole Hole on May 19, 2018 3:34:32 GMT -5
Basically because it's a pun worthy of the Shoutbox. It's a horror show (allegedly), but it's, like, also the name of one of the ships! To quote myself from the Bond reviews: Shoutbox Would Be Ashamed Of This
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Post by Baron von Costume on May 20, 2018 21:56:53 GMT -5
Basically because it's a pun worthy of the Shoutbox. It's a horror show (allegedly), but it's, like, also the name of one of the ships! To quote myself from the Bond reviews: Shoutbox Would Be Ashamed Of ThisWell, when it was the name of one of the ships it's basically gift wrapped for you.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 1, 2018 11:04:05 GMT -5
What's The Show? Roseanne (Slight Return) What's It All About, Proley? Well, ostensibly it's about a working class family in the fictional town of Lanford, IL struggling to make ends meet and dealing with the family, loves, successes and failures of everyday life. That may not be what it's remembered for now though... The revived Roseanne is part of the pattern of dragging old properties from the past and giving them another season years after the original bowed out, and everything from The X-Files to Will & Grace has been reanimated in the hopes of hitting that ratings magic again. The surprise is that Roseanne actually managed it, proving to be a big ratings hit and getting a near-instant second season renewal. That's all fallen by the wayside now, thanks to Ms. Barr's ability - like the president she so admires - to be racist on Twitter, a move which got the show cancelled just as swiftly as it got its initial renewal (and, though it's understandably and correctly not what people are focussing on, all credit to the network, ABC, for not fannying about and just canning the show straight up despite its success). Why Did You Give It A Go? The original Roseanne remains extremely defensible - a smartly written sitcom that, particularly for the time, was unusual for its focus on working class families and struggles at a time when most sitcoms were blandly middle-class. There was a verisimilitude about it that rang true, and an outstanding cast delivered funny material in a meaningfully emotional way without just being cloying or patronizing. It fell apart in its last season (fairly spectacularly), but for the most part it really is an excellent TV show. So of course I was going to try this. Is It Any Good? Not especially. One of the most dispiriting aspects of the show's return is just how little effort seems to have gone into it. The idea of picking up the lives of the Connors a decade on, dealing with the concerns of aging in the same way as the original show dealt with the problems of a poor family struggling to get by, is in fact a good one. But there's a clumsiness to the revived Roseanne the belies the intelligence of the original. People have criticized the show for being pro-Trump, and that's fair enough, but honestly it's relatively small fry. There's a couple of comments in the early running about how "he talked about jobs" that suggests a legitimate line of enquiry as to why working-class families would support a blowhard bigot like Trump, but it doesn't go anywhere and politics takes a back-seat to other issues. Well, I say "other issues" but the revival is frustrating poor at landing its points in the way the original excelled at. Take the episode that "dealt" with the opioids problem, and Dan and Roseanne sharing drugs to get by. That's a legitimately great thing for the show to discuss, but it peters out and the whole thing eventually gets resolved by a flooded basement, an insurance claim and Roseanne getting surgery - the show goes for a happy ending when it should go for pathos or tragedy, and it just doesn't work. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All of them, for my sins. I kept hoping the spirit of the original might poke through - after all, it had been off the air for a while and it's understandable that it might take a little time for the old rhythms to click back in. They, however, did not. The revived Will And Grace was a bit shaky in its early episodes as well, but it found its feet fairly quickly and long before the season bowed out we were back to the show as it was - charming, funny, and a little bit pointed. Roseanne never found it's balance again - and it's not exactly hard to guess why. Would You Recommend It? Even before the obvious racist tweet issue, not really. Again, this is mightily frustrating, because even the idea of this cast getting back together - especially John Goodman, who quite rightly bailed before the final, dreadful season - seemed impossible. Yet, aside from Laurie Metcalf (always excellent) and Sara Gilbert (beyond excellent, and far too good for this rubbish) nobody in the original cast is trying a leg. John Goodman is an out-and-out brilliant actor but gets maybe... two minutes of acting in nine episodes? I have no idea why he even bothered being in this - he was already free and the character was dead, so why bother even being here if you're not even going to make the effort? Roseanne herself seems to struggle to do anything with the role she created - she can land the odd zinger or one-liner, but the caring-person-under-the-hard-exterior that made the original version of the character so appealing has gone, replaced by Actual Roseanne rather than Character Roseanne, and the different is stark. To put it another way, she's not acting any more, and that's a great shame because she was good at playing that character. Not any more. Now, to be fair, Other Becky (Sarah Chalke) does fine and in his one episode appearance, so does the why-did-he-come-back Johnny Galecki - his moment opposite John Goodman, cowed but just a little defiant, is one of only two moments where Goodman appears to act, rather than just recite lines, and the different is amazing. Yet annoyingly this can't be completely written off either - there's a proper attempt at diversity in having a young boy (Mark Conner-Healy, played remarkably well by Ames McNamara) be gender non-conformist, and it's redolent of the "oddness" of D.J. from the original run without simply replicating it - just what a show like this should be doing (and again, that's strikingly unusual in a working class sitcom, rather than the cosy middle-classness of something like Modern Family). Children having to move back in with their parents - families and all - because they just can't afford anything else and are desperate? A valid concern, and again one that a show like Roseanne ought to address. The fact that it comes so close, yet misses by such a wide margin, is indicative of just how lazy all of this is. This is a bust. Scores On The Doors? 4/10
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Post by Angry Raisins on Jun 17, 2018 5:59:22 GMT -5
Interesting to read the take on Lucifer - would you say it gets better after the first few episodes? Because having watched those was not impressed. The procedural stuff is pretty generic and lazy, leaving the supernatural side (i.e., Lucifer himself) as the main hook, and I really didn't think they did a good job with the character. He ought to be charismatic and a bit sinister, and I think that's what they were aiming for, but the implementation just feels try-hard and kind of irritating, a perpetually smirking one-note character who hovers around pointlessly saying things like "You humans are so fascinating" and "I've never been thrown out of anywhere - except heaven of course". Yes, he's Lucifer, we get it. You really need some ideas of what to with the concept, not just remind us of it.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 17, 2018 9:57:47 GMT -5
Interesting to read the take on Lucifer - would you say it gets better after the first few episodes? Because having watched those was not impressed. The procedural stuff is pretty generic and lazy, leaving the supernatural side (i.e., Lucifer himself) as the main hook, and I really didn't think they did a good job with the character. He ought to be charismatic and a bit sinister, and I think that's what they were aiming for, but the implementation just feels try-hard and kind of irritating, a perpetually smirking one-note character who hovers around pointlessly saying things like "You humans are so fascinating" and "I've never been thrown out of anywhere - except heaven of course". Yes, he's Lucifer, we get it. You really need some ideas of what to with the concept, not just remind us of it. Yes, significantly. The first season is sort of a fun, laid-back hang-out show, but the difference in quality between the first and second seasons is almost as big a jump in quality as, say, Buffy had. They fixed a lot of what wasn't working and added a lot of new and more interesting mythology, plus started really playing with stories pairing up a couple of the supporting characters.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 18, 2018 6:10:15 GMT -5
Interesting to read the take on Lucifer - would you say it gets better after the first few episodes? Because having watched those was not impressed. The procedural stuff is pretty generic and lazy, leaving the supernatural side (i.e., Lucifer himself) as the main hook, and I really didn't think they did a good job with the character. He ought to be charismatic and a bit sinister, and I think that's what they were aiming for, but the implementation just feels try-hard and kind of irritating, a perpetually smirking one-note character who hovers around pointlessly saying things like "You humans are so fascinating" and "I've never been thrown out of anywhere - except heaven of course". Yes, he's Lucifer, we get it. You really need some ideas of what to with the concept, not just remind us of it. Yes, significantly. The first season is sort of a fun, laid-back hang-out show, but the difference in quality between the first and second seasons is almost as big a jump in quality as, say, Buffy had. They fixed a lot of what wasn't working and added a lot of new and more interesting mythology, plus started really playing with stories pairing up a couple of the supporting characters. Seconded. I'd say kick off at Season Two, which is when the show really finds its groove. There's some fun stuff in the first season, and the show is still capable of being a bit on-the-nose at times, but it just unclenches and buggers off to do its own thing, and it's rather fabulous. Of course, rather joyfully, it turns out that Netflix have now saved the show, so it's getting a fourth season! Hurrah!
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Post by Prole Hole on Jun 21, 2018 9:29:13 GMT -5
What's The Show? The Expanse What's It All About, Proley? Hard sci-fi for the Asimov and Clarke crowd who find the likes of Star Trek too silly and unrealistic, the likes of Doctor Who too fantastical, the likes of Dark Matter to soapy, but who want to spend some time above the clouds nevertheless. Set in the near future, The Expanse gives us a vision where humanity has spread out among the solar system and split into, essentially, three power blocks, Earth, Mars and "The Belt", the latter being a group of largely disenfranchised peoples who live and work in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. We follow a number of different perspectives - political, personal, social - as we explore the diaspora of humanity and what happens when the fragile balance that exists between the major power blocs is disrupted by the arrival of an extra-solar "proto-molecule", which represents both a potentially decisive weapon for one bloc to gain victory over the rest, as well as first contact with an alien species. There's a solid commitment to realism, so signals take take to travel from Earth to Mars (no handy subspace here), distances can take weeks (and episodes) to be crossed, and there's a proper sense that the verisimilitude is more than just window-dressing but in many ways is the point. Why Did You Give It A Go? It looked good. Not a very complicated reason, admittedly, but there it is. In some ways there's an impression that, although based on a book, the TV version of The Expanse was picking up the mantle of Battlestar Galactica, taking the care and time to really dig into the politics and personal lives of characters involved in these frameworks in a meaningful way. Some of the events, like The Ring, might be a bit more fantastical and traditionally sci-fi, but the way in which they're dealt with remains rooted in that plausible approach. We get real consequences and character progression based on experiences, light years away from the soapy space opera that's more common in space-based adventure shows, and the plot is used as a mechanism to drive the characters, not the other way around. That also sounded like it would make the show worth spending time with. Is It Any Good? Yes. Yes it is. The first couple of season in particular really take the time to explore and understand the different aspects of all the societies portrayed, how the various political alliances work and just how society has moved on so that, when we get to the proto-molecule and Ring stuff, we understand deeply how this is going to change things. There's no easy answers presented and the sense of good people doing the wrong things while trying to get them right lends a compelling aspect to everything that happens. Sometimes the commitment to realism can be a bit of a barrier, so for example all the people of The Belt (Belters) have a cod-Carribbean (Creole? Jamaican? It depends who's talking) accent, which in theory is a really nice way of differentiating them from the non-Belters but in practice can be incredibly distracting - Season Three cast addition David Strathairn can't land it and it's vastly undermining to his performance, which is unfortunate to say the least. But for the most part the commitment to show how all the different aspects of society work remains very successful, and a mostly terrific cast add considerably to this. Thomas Jane's laconic detective adds a much-needed note of wry levity in the early going, David Strait provides an easy-to-like character that doesn't distract from him having actual edges, and of course there's the inevitable shout-out to Shohreh Adhdashloo, who's simply terrific as Chrisjen Avasarala, another wonderfully rounded-out character. Not everyone is perfect - Elizabeth Mitchell turns up to do That One Thing Elizabeth Mitchell Does, and Dominique Tipper proves surprisingly difficult to care about - but for the most part we have a well-assembled cast that really bring detail to their characters. The plots are simple enough to follow without being distracting, yet leave more than enough space to be nuanced and allow shading and complexity. Overall, this is, in fact, a very well balanced show indeed. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All of 'em, and I shall be continuing to do so. Would You Recommend It? Definitely. Even though Season Three has been a bit wobbly in places (after the excellent first couple of episodes, things do sag a bit with a lot "we're at The Ring", "we're still at The Ring," "yup, still sitting here!" material before events get going again) it's very refreshing to have a show like The Expanse out there. Don't get me wrong, I love soapy ol' space opera as much as anyone, but The Expanse is genuinely occupying a space in sci-fi television that no other show is at the moment, and it's doing it with the sort of understated confidence and commitment that really lets the material come to life. It's not completely flawless by any stretch, but in its commitment to using sci-fi to tell stories that are about people first, rather than plot, special effects or gosh-wow, it's grown to be a thoughtful, compelling piece of fiction. Recently saved from cancellation by Amazon (which in itself says something - that it was actually worth saving), The Expanse definitely deserves your attention. Scores On The Doors? 8/10
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 10:51:45 GMT -5
What's The Show? The Expanse Yes, I love this show and the books of the series I've read so far!
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Post by kitchin on Jun 23, 2018 5:53:24 GMT -5
Basically because it's a pun worthy of the Shoutbox. It's a horror show (allegedly), but it's, like, also the name of one of the ships! To quote myself from the Bond reviews: Shoutbox Would Be Ashamed Of ThisWell, when it was the name of one of the ships it's basically gift wrapped for you. Also, swiped from, or an homage to, Lost.
Have you read Gibbon's Decline & Fall? He writes like that, because he didn't have the strikeout tag. Lots of ", or... " clauses. It's a lively mush.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 11, 2018 14:57:13 GMT -5
What's The Show? Gotham What's It All About, Proley? Bat-boy. Basically this is Batman Before Batman. That means we get to spend a lot (and I mean a lot) of time with the freaks and weirdos of Gotham city who will go on to become Batman's most feared adversaries - the Joker, the Penguin, Two-Face, Scarecrow and many more are all present and correct. Plus we get R'as Al Ghul, played with appropriately sleazy charm by Star Trek: Deep Space Nine's Alexander Siddig, The League Of Assassins, and (for the first few seasons anyway) an original construct in the shape of Fish Mooney, also known as Jada Pinkett Smith. She's a gift to the show - ridiculously camp, yet never quite screamingly over the top, and blessed with the ability to deliver utterly preposterous dialogue in the most disarmingly mannered and ostentatious fashion possible. She is glorious. On the good guys' side, we have Bruce Wayne himself, a mere slip of a lad, Jim Gordon working his way up through the ranks of a corrupt Gotham PD, and Alfred, played with over-emphasised Englishness by Sean Pertwee. All these forces collide together to produce some that is both beholden to various different version of Batman (most obviously, Year One), yet never quite like any other version either. Why Did You Give It A Go? Gotham promised to offer a rather different take on familiar - some might say over-familiar - Batman material. Divorced from the self-important grittiness of the Nolan films, less graphic-novel-defined than the Burton movies, and less flouncily over-the-top than either the West or Schumacher efforts, I was hopeful that this show might be able to carve out a unique and different perspective for a live-action Batman-inspired outing. Is It Any Good? That's a weirdly complex question in this case. Technically? No, probably not. But that idea that it might carve out a unique perspective? Boy does it ever. The first season or two try a bit too hard to lean in to the gritty side of things - Jim Gordon is morally compromised from the first episode out - which never quite manages to take, since this isn't a show where "grittiness" is an especially redeeming feature. And the Falcone family never really become an interesting threat, played instead at the level of cut-price Italian-American gangsters you can see just about anywhere. But the roots of what make Gotham interesting are there, and they are embodied in the utterly insane creation that is Fish Mooney. I just cannot express how key she is to finding what makes Gotham work, because her blend of camp, intensity and genuine threat is what makes the series sing in its latter seasons when it really learns to lean into its grotesquery. Apparently she was unpopular with fans and thus made her exit, but if that's true then it's a terrible shame. I don't want to do a big "certain parts of fandom don't like girlssss" thing, but there is a certain sense of fan entitlement to her removal, and it's a real waste. Elsewhere, considerable praise needs to be given to Robin Lord Taylor as the Penguin - arguably my favourite live-action version of the Penguin, even over Danny DiVito - and Cory Michael Smith's turn as the Riddler is sublimely good. And, of course, all the praise to Cameron Monaghan as sort-of the Joker - neither Nicholson nor Ledger, he is his own version and quite, quite brilliant. Some characters take time to land, but that's the blessing of a TV show - they have time to be able to find their feet. So Barbara Kean, for example, starts off fairly unremarkable before developing into something much more interesting, and there's a pleasing emphasis on gender balance throughout the show. There's a few flaws, character-wise, here and there - as Bruce, David Mazouz isn't given a lot to work with beyond "brooding teen", Sean Pertwee (great though he is) is sadly rather under-utilised, and Morena Baccarin fails to break her streak of being a punishingly unremarkable presence in anything she appears in. But for the most part, it's the characters, rather than the Byzantine plotting, that make the show work - "good" might not be quite the right adjective, but "unusual" certainly is. There's no show on television quite like Gotham. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All of them, and I'll see it out to its finale (which is next season). Sucker for punishment, me. Would You Recommend it? Depends on the audience. For Batman purists? Never in a million years. But if you go in with an open mind, skim the first season, and then get stuck in? Sure. There's a lot of pleasure to be had here, but putting fanboy purity aside is the cost of admission. I haven't even mentioned BD Wong's near-indescribable turn as Hugo Strange, or Donal Logue as the appealing schlubby Bullock, Gordon's number two, both excellently realised but unlikely to key you in if you're expecting some Frank Miller dark epic. If you dislike camp, this show will never be for you. But if you embrace it with the same attitude that the Adam West series is now embraced (basically - just go with it), coupled with the idea of exploring the past in a different kind of way, then this can be a vastly pleasurable show. Scores On The Doors? I want to say 7.5/10 but that feels just a fraction generous, so let's go with 7/10. It's good fun, this!
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 18, 2018 10:58:44 GMT -5
What's The Show? Broadchurch What's It All About, Proley? That nice David Tennant and Olivia Coleman off the telly get to have slow-moving crime adventures in a picturesque part of the West Country. There's been a death in the village - the titular Broadchurch - and lots of famous or soon-to-be-famous character actors are in the frame for it, many of whom fans of Doctor Who will instantly recognise (putting Tennant and Coleman aside, there's David Bradley, Eve Myles and Arthur Darvill, and naturally we now have to add Jodie Whittaker to that list, as well as the fact that Broadchurch's creator, Chris Chibnall, is Doctor Who's latest showrunner). This means lots of tension, just about every inhabitant of the village having some possible motive and/or secret, and it all leads to a big reveal in the final episode of the first season. Can you guess who did it? (hint: no) Why Did You Give It A Go? Really? But OK, aside from the Doctor Who connections, I genuinely like Tennant and Coleman as actors, and the show very quickly gained a reputation as the best thing ITV had broadcast in donkey's years. It seems like it was worth a punt. Is It Any Good? Broadly (heh) yes. It's first season in particular is extremely easy to like. The whodunnit aspect of the show, as in "who was responsible for the death of Danny", is mostly used as an excuse to explore the lives and personalities of the village residents rather than constructing the mystery of who killed him in a more traditionally Christie-esque way. That's a little frustrating for some, but it gives Broadchurch a slightly different angle to most contemporary whodunnits, and it leans in to this in largely very successful ways. The eventual reveal of the killer mostly makes sense - ish - but in getting there a bunch of very good actors get to emote against some stunning English scenery while David Tennant mopes about in a beard looking serious. Bradley, in particular, is worthy of praise for portraying someone caught up in what amounts to a witch-hunt, and Whittaker, as Danny's mum, does a great job of portraying what could be a completely stock part. And special mention must go to former sitcom star Pauline Quirke, who is positively revelatory in a role that very much casts her against type, to great effect. The show's pacing is slow but there's a deliberateness and intentionality to it that works very successfully both in terms of the plot and the character reveals, and everything is atmospherically shot and engrossing. The second season is noticeably weaker - not bad, but it strikes a lot of the same notes as the first season, to little additional benefit (stringing out the investment in Danny's death and his killer is logical from a credibility perspective but it rapidly becomes wearisome, and if you've seen one TV courtroom drama you've seen 'em all). Season Three is markedly better - tellingly, the Danny storyline is reduced to about the sixth or seventh sub-plot - revolving around the rape of a local woman, and the show reaches a satisfying conclusion that feels well connected to the successes of the first season. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All three seasons. Even in the weaker moments of Season Two the show remains very watchable, anchored by Tennant and Cole's terrific performances. They make a great double-act, and one of the great pleasures of the third season is that the two of them get to spend much more screen-time together, and clearly have a great time doing so. That core relationship carries the show through it's odd dip, but honestly it's never less that watchable even if the plotting goes a bit wonky here and there. Would You Recommend It? If you're a fan of well-known actors doing great things among nice scenery, characters that actually feel like people rather than typical TV stock archetypes, and thoughtful investigation over action, then unreservedly. This is a well constructed show that bothers to take time to delve into the little nooks and crannies of people and how they interact rather than rushing towards pat solutions or relying on cliché. This is a show that favours character over plot, and if you go in looking for a meticulously constructed Christie whodunnit you're not going to get what you're after, and the emotional investment in the characters is what drives the heart of the show rather than it being a puzzle-box to unlock. Yes, the plotting could be a bit tidier in places, but this is light years away from the usual shuffle-the-deck-of-cards murder mysteries - neither cookie-cutter ITV fodder nor Scandi Noir knockoff (while clearly owing a debt to both genres), Broadchurch is it's own thing and thoroughly worth watching. Scores On The Doors? 8.5/10
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Post by Sanziana on Jul 23, 2018 4:16:24 GMT -5
I quite liked the first season of Broadchurch, mainly because I think Olivia Coleman is a terrific actress, but I grew tired quickly of it; I only watched a few episodes of season 2. The usual mopiness, the anguished acting and the overly gloomy seriousness of British cop shows crushed any enthusiasm I had for it.
And as far as ITV crime shows go, Scott & Bailey is a favourite. I love the dynamic between the main characters, I really like how Sally Wainwright writes female characters; I love Happy Valley for the same reason. Also, Lesley Sharps plays one of the main characters on S&B so that's a big plus.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 23, 2018 4:44:32 GMT -5
I need to give Happy Valley a try, I know it has a great reputation but I've never gotten round to it.
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Post by Sanziana on Jul 23, 2018 5:56:16 GMT -5
I need to give Happy Valley a try, I know it has a great reputation but I've never gotten round to it. It has a great, great lead in Sarah Lancashire. It is worth watching just for her. The plot is pretty much standard crime fare, but with a touch of irony and a good dose of humour.
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Post by haysoos on Jul 27, 2018 16:48:26 GMT -5
I need to give Happy Valley a try, I know it has a great reputation but I've never gotten round to it. It has a great, great lead in Sarah Lancashire. It is worth watching just for her. The plot is pretty much standard crime fare, but with a touch of irony and a good dose of humour. I really, really liked Scott & Bailey. I first watched it mostly because of Suranne Jones, but Amelia Bullmore's DCI Gill Murray soon became one of my favourite TV characters ever. And it looks like Amelia Bullmore is on Happy Valley. Looks like I have a new binge-watch for the weekend!
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Post by Sanziana on Jul 28, 2018 2:45:39 GMT -5
haysoos Amelia Bullmore is a delight in everything I've seen her in, Happy Valley is no exception. If you liked S&B, then I'm sure you'll love Happy Valley even more!
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Post by kitchin on Jul 28, 2018 12:22:31 GMT -5
The plot is pretty much standard crime fare, but with a touch of irony and a good dose of humour. Maybe for the UK, but Happy Valley is a bitter, harsh show by almost any standard. I mean, Yorkshire has a reputation, so I guess you go in expecting grim faces and defeat at the end of every tale. They do show a grudging comradery against the common fate, at least the good ones in it. Highly recommended though!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2018 15:12:50 GMT -5
What's The Show? BroadchurchWhat's It All About, Proley? That nice David Tennant and Olivia Coleman off the telly get to have slow-moving crime adventures in a picturesque part of the West Country. There's been a death in the village - the titular Broadchurch - and lots of famous or soon-to-be-famous character actors are in the frame for it, many of whom fans of Doctor Who will instantly recognise (putting Tennant and Coleman aside, there's David Bradley, Eve Myles and Arthur Darvill, and naturally we now have to add Jodie Whittaker to that list, as well as the fact that Broadchurch's creator, Chris Chibnall, is Doctor Who's latest showrunner). This means lots of tension, just about every inhabitant of the village having some possible motive and/or secret, and it all leads to a big reveal in the final episode of the first season. Can you guess who did it? (hint: no) Why Did You Give It A Go? Really? But OK, aside from the Doctor Who connections, I genuinely like Tennant and Coleman as actors, and the show very quickly gained a reputation as the best thing ITV had broadcast in donkey's years. It seems like it was worth a punt. Is It Any Good? Broadly (heh) yes. It's first season in particular is extremely easy to like. The whodunnit aspect of the show, as in "who was responsible for the death of Danny", is mostly used as an excuse to explore the lives and personalities of the village residents rather than constructing the mystery of who killed him in a more traditionally Christie-esque way. That's a little frustrating for some, but it gives Broadchurch a slightly different angle to most contemporary whodunnits, and it leans in to this in largely very successful ways. The eventual reveal of the killer mostly makes sense - ish - but in getting there a bunch of very good actors get to emote against some stunning English scenery while David Tennant mopes about in a beard looking serious. Bradley, in particular, is worthy of praise for portraying someone caught up in what amounts to a witch-hunt, and Whittaker, as Danny's mum, does a great job of portraying what could be a completely stock part. And special mention must go to former sitcom star Pauline Quirke, who is positively revelatory in a role that very much casts her against type, to great effect. The show's pacing is slow but there's a deliberateness and intentionality to it that works very successfully both in terms of the plot and the character reveals, and everything is atmospherically shot and engrossing. The second season is noticeably weaker - not bad, but it strikes a lot of the same notes as the first season, to little additional benefit (stringing out the investment in Danny's death and his killer is logical from a credibility perspective but it rapidly becomes wearisome, and if you've seen one TV courtroom drama you've seen 'em all). Season Three is markedly better - tellingly, the Danny storyline is reduced to about the sixth or seventh sub-plot - revolving around the rape of a local woman, and the show reaches a satisfying conclusion that feels well connected to the successes of the first season. How Many Episodes Did You Watch? All three seasons. Even in the weaker moments of Season Two the show remains very watchable, anchored by Tennant and Cole's terrific performances. They make a great double-act, and one of the great pleasures of the third season is that the two of them get to spend much more screen-time together, and clearly have a great time doing so. That core relationship carries the show through it's odd dip, but honestly it's never less that watchable even if the plotting goes a bit wonky here and there. Would You Recommend It? If you're a fan of well-known actors doing great things among nice scenery, characters that actually feel like people rather than typical TV stock archetypes, and thoughtful investigation over action, then unreservedly. This is a well constructed show that bothers to take time to delve into the little nooks and crannies of people and how they interact rather than rushing towards pat solutions or relying on cliché. This is a show that favours character over plot, and if you go in looking for a meticulously constructed Christie whodunnit you're not going to get what you're after, and the emotional investment in the characters is what drives the heart of the show rather than it being a puzzle-box to unlock. Yes, the plotting could be a bit tidier in places, but this is light years away from the usual shuffle-the-deck-of-cards murder mysteries - neither cookie-cutter ITV fodder nor Scandi Noir knockoff (while clearly owing a debt to both genres), Broadchurch is it's own thing and thoroughly worth watching. Scores On The Doors? 8.5/10 I want to see you watch the american remake now.
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Post by Prole Hole on Jul 30, 2018 3:17:45 GMT -5
I haven't seen any of the American remake, I must admit, and haven't heard especially good things about it. Keenness level - 2
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