|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 21, 2021 18:52:25 GMT -5
I'm watching Dune: Part One (2021) right now, but I figured that since this is basically the film event of the Covid era thus far for a good number of people, the movie could use its own thread. I'll chime in tomorrow after I've had time to finish and process the film.
|
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 21, 2021 21:03:54 GMT -5
My favorite characters were the cool mice. I wish we’d gotten to see more of them.
|
|
|
|
Post by pantsgoblin on Oct 22, 2021 8:20:19 GMT -5
My favorite characters were the cool mice. I wish we’d gotten to see more of them. I think you accidentally watched Babe, not Dune. Common mistake. |
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 22, 2021 8:34:49 GMT -5
My favorite characters were the cool mice. I wish we’d gotten to see more of them. I think you accidentally watched Babe, not Dune. Common mistake. No, there were some cool mice in Dune, and they were my favorite characters. |
|
patbat
TI Forumite
OK です か
Posts: 2,396
|
Post by patbat on Oct 22, 2021 9:26:36 GMT -5
Just found out Feyd-Rautha isn't in the movie, I'm crying and shaking rn
|
|
|
|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Oct 22, 2021 10:39:38 GMT -5
Just found out Feyd-Rautha isn't in the movie, I'm crying and shaking rn Seems inevitable once they split it into two parts, right? Feyd-Rautha doesn't show up until the time jump, right? |
|
|
|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Oct 22, 2021 10:41:07 GMT -5
I think you accidentally watched Babe, not Dune. Common mistake. No, there were some cool mice in Dune, and they were my favorite characters. Rando, what would your reaction be if Dennis Villenvue pulled a George Miller and followed-up his Dune movies with pastoral-vibes family film? |
|
|
|
Post by Jimmy James on Oct 22, 2021 14:11:00 GMT -5
Workshopping a bit where I call Paul Atreides "Paulie Stillsuits" or something like that as if he were a two-bit gangster from Jersey. He has a weirding module like in the Lynch film and "gabagool" is a killing word.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 15:38:42 GMT -5
Pleasant middlebrow scifi entertainment considering how cliched the "prophesized chosen one Arthurian boy-king leads savages to glory against an evil empire" source material is at this point, if not the earth-shattering instant classic I was somewhat naively expecting based on Villeneuve's previous track record.
|
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 22, 2021 17:42:19 GMT -5
No, there were some cool mice in Dune, and they were my favorite characters. Rando, what would your reaction be if Dennis Villenvue pulled a George Miller and followed-up his Dune movies with pastoral-vibes family film? This is a great question, Owl. My reaction would probably be something like "Utilizing a muted color palette replete with greys and tans, Denis Villeneuve's starkly beautiful Goodnight Moon: Part One (2023) at last brings to the big screen an adaptation worthy of Margaret Wise Brown's 1947 children's classic, and one can only hope that the 167-minute film is successful enough for Warner Brothers Studios to greenlight Part 2, enabling the famed auteur director to see his creative vision through to the conclusion it so richly deserves." |
|
|
|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Oct 22, 2021 18:27:56 GMT -5
Rando, what would your reaction be if Dennis Villenvue pulled a George Miller and followed-up his Dune movies with pastoral-vibes family film? This is a great question, Owl. My reaction would probably be something like "Utilizing a muted color palette replete with greys and tans, Denis Villeneuve's starkly beautiful Goodnight Moon: Part One (2023) at last brings to the big screen an adaptation worthy of Margaret Wise Brown's 1947 children's classic, and one can only hope that the 167-minute film is successful enough for Warner Brothers Studios to greenlight Part 2, enabling the famed auteur director to see his creative vision through to the conclusion it so richly deserves." How does it rank against the visuals of Guillermo del Toro’s underrated Runaway Bunny? |
|
|
|
Post by Jimmy James on Oct 23, 2021 11:27:37 GMT -5
Rando, what would your reaction be if Dennis Villenvue pulled a George Miller and followed-up his Dune movies with pastoral-vibes family film? This is a great question, Owl. My reaction would probably be something like "Utilizing a muted color palette replete with greys and tans, Denis Villeneuve's starkly beautiful Goodnight Moon: Part One (2023) at last brings to the big screen an adaptation worthy of Margaret Wise Brown's 1947 children's classic, and one can only hope that the 167-minute film is successful enough for Warner Brothers Studios to greenlight Part 2, enabling the famed auteur director to see his creative vision through to the conclusion it so richly deserves." |
|
|
|
Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 24, 2021 12:23:53 GMT -5
I fucking loved it.
|
|
|
|
Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 24, 2021 17:15:51 GMT -5
We watched it yesterday and enjoyed it. To annoy Villeneuve as much as possible, we watched it on a 32" TV in our den, taking an extended break in the middle. Since both of us have read the book multiple times, we couldn't really tell how much sense it would make to someone who hadn't, but everything worked for us.
Hope they at least finish up the first book; it sounds like that's relatively likely.
|
|
|
|
Post by Jimmy James on Oct 24, 2021 18:51:03 GMT -5
Went back to the theater for the first time since Parasite in 2020 for this, and felt it was worthwhile. Definitely did a good job conveying the grandeur and scale of the Dune universe. I can wait until part II to see if he sticks the landing, but overall I feel this understood the novel and adapted it faithfully.
One scene I don't recall from the book is the meeting between the Baron and the Bene Geserit, where they ask that Paul and Jessica be spared. This is actually good for explaining why the Baron confronted the captured Duke personally but then gave his wife and son an elaborate and escapable death. It's also an interesting choice to give the opening expository lines to Chani rather than the emperor's daughter like in the Lynch version- while I also like Lynch's choice, as it stands in place for the various epigraphs from Irulan's histories that start chapters in the novel, I wonder if they felt this was a way to emphasize this as a story about the Fremen rather than a story about the different forces granted charter by the Imperium to colonize and exploit them.
One thing I will give the Lynch version credit for that was weaker here was any sort of foreshadowing that there was a traitor in House Atreides and that the traitor was Dr. Yueh- I think that development was set up better there and I could see it coming as a little out of left field for someone who jumped into this version without reading the book.
|
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 24, 2021 20:16:07 GMT -5
Went back to the theater for the first time since Parasite in 2020 for this, and felt it was worthwhile. Definitely did a good job conveying the grandeur and scale of the Dune universe. I can wait until part II to see if he sticks the landing, but overall I feel this understood the novel and adapted it faithfully. One scene I don't recall from the book is the meeting between the Baron and the Bene Geserit, where they ask that Paul and Jessica be spared. This is actually good for explaining why the Baron confronted the captured Duke personally but then gave his wife and son an elaborate and escapable death. It's also an interesting choice to give the opening expository lines to Chani rather than the emperor's daughter like in the Lynch version- while I also like Lynch's choice, as it stands in place for the various epigraphs from Irulan's histories that start chapters in the novel, I wonder if they felt this was a way to emphasize this as a story about the Fremen rather than a story about the different forces granted charter by the Imperium to colonize and exploit them. One thing I will give the Lynch version credit for that was weaker here was any sort of foreshadowing that there was a traitor in House Atreides and that the traitor was Dr. Yueh- I think that development was set up better there and I could see it coming as a little out of left field for someone who jumped into this version without reading the book. I think the underdevelopment of Yueh was the weakest part of the adaptation, yeah. A change I did like was them just casually dropping that Guild Navigators use spice for interstellar travel. In the book I'm pretty sure this is a revelation dropped during one of Paul's prescient visions most of the way through the book, but just admitting it right off makes way more sense and is less complicated. What is everyone's opinion of the Harkonnens' pet dog or whatever? |
|
|
|
Post by Jimmy James on Oct 24, 2021 22:11:17 GMT -5
I think the underdevelopment of Yueh was the weakest part of the adaptation, yeah. A change I did like was them just casually dropping that Guild Navigators use spice for interstellar travel. In the book I'm pretty sure this is a revelation dropped during one of Paul's prescient visions most of the way through the book, but just admitting it right off makes way more sense and is less complicated. What is everyone's opinion of the Harkonnens' pet dog or whatever? My recollection was that it was common knowledge the Guild used spice for space travel, as it's the whole reason spice is vital to their economy. I thought Paul's revelation is that it's the worms make the spice. The Harkonnen pet was creepy- someone on Reddit suggested based off of the human hands for feet that it was assembled from Dr. Yueh's wife which makes me shudder. Overall this depection of Baron Harkonnen was clearly off-putting but on reflection not as viscerally revolting as the look and behavior of Lynch's Baron. The shaved head and black outfits made me think of Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now. |
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 25, 2021 8:18:06 GMT -5
I think the underdevelopment of Yueh was the weakest part of the adaptation, yeah. A change I did like was them just casually dropping that Guild Navigators use spice for interstellar travel. In the book I'm pretty sure this is a revelation dropped during one of Paul's prescient visions most of the way through the book, but just admitting it right off makes way more sense and is less complicated. What is everyone's opinion of the Harkonnens' pet dog or whatever? My recollection was that it was common knowledge the Guild used spice for space travel, as it's the whole reason spice is vital to their economy. I thought Paul's revelation is that it's the worms make the spice. The Harkonnen pet was creepy- someone on Reddit suggested based off of the human hands for feet that it was assembled from Dr. Yueh's wife which makes me shudder. Overall this depection of Baron Harkonnen was clearly off-putting but on reflection not as viscerally revolting as the look and behavior of Lynch's Baron. The shaved head and black outfits made me think of Marlon Brando in Apocalypse Now. OK, so re: the Guild Navigators' reliance on spice, I don't remember with certainty that this isn't explained earlier in the book, but there is a passage towards the end of, right after (going to throw in some spoiler tags in case there's anyone who hasn't read the book and cares?) Chani revives the comatose Paul after Paul drinks the Water of Life , there is this passage: It's true that Paul also realizes that the worms are the cause of the spice, and I think this is treated as one of the biggest revelations from his prescient visions, certainly as a bigger revelation than this. But I don't recall reading anything prior to this moment where anyone says the Guild Navigators need to use the spice to achieve interstellar flight. The phrase "They know I have their secret here!" however, is, I think, a bit more ambiguous than I had remembered. It could be more that Paul is alluding more to his control of the most crucial natural resource to Guild, I guess. If anyone else who's read Dune remembers this better than I do, please help adjudicate this. Re: the creepy Harkonnen pet, I likewise heard that it was Yueh's wife, and likewise find the idea incredibly chilling. I'm not sure that I find it persuasive though, given that 1) there's not a lot of evidence pointing to this being the case other than Yueh's wife being subjected to Harkonnen torture, and in the book the Baron ultimately tells Yueh she's dead and we're given no reason to disbelieve this, and 2) Yueh is, as you pointed out, barely in the movie, and they really cut down his role as much as possible while still having him be the traitor who gives Leto the false poison tooth, so it would be weird, imo, if they then had Yueh's wife be the subject of some horrifying experiment that turns her into the Harkonnens' pet. I also saw a suggestion on Twitter that the pet might be the result of some Tleilaxu genetic engineering shit, and that seems plausible to me, though that's also obviously also pure speculation at this point. I know Villeneuve has said he wants to do a trilogy with Dune Messiah being adapted for the third film, so we should certainly see a lot more of the Tleilaxu if we get that movie (I really, really hope he gets to make Dune Messiah), but at this point it would just be setting the stage for figures who don't really play into the first book very much. |
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 25, 2021 10:31:14 GMT -5
The worst thing about downplaying Yueh might be that we'll probably never get to hear anyone say "Yueh, Yueh, a million deaths were not enough for Yueh," in Villeneuve's films.
|
|
ABz B👹anaz
Grandfathered In 
This country is (now less of) a shitshow.
Posts: 1,993
|
Post by ABz B👹anaz on Oct 25, 2021 11:05:55 GMT -5
Horr⚪ra 🧟anaz: Someone said Timothée Chalamet sounds like an aristocratic mouse, and I agree
Roy Batty's Pet Dove: he's a good choice to play muad'dib, then, ab.
Horr⚪ra 🧟anaz: HA, right?
|
|
monodrone
Prolific Poster 
Come To Brazil
Posts: 2,565 
|
Post by monodrone on Oct 26, 2021 6:30:05 GMT -5
I read the book 'Dune' in 2010 while on an excruciating 3 week holiday to Malaysia to visit the family of a girl about a week after we'd ended our 3 year long relationship while having to pretend we had not, in fact, split up. I have one question regarding the latest film adaptation and the question is this: How heavily does the song To Tame A Land by the band Iron Maiden feature in the film? Seems like it would be a fitting option to have it over the end credits, is that the case?
|
|
Dellarigg
AV Clubber
This is a public service announcement - with guitars
Posts: 7,638
|
Post by Dellarigg on Oct 26, 2021 8:51:30 GMT -5
no one told me it was science fiction wtf
|
|
Dellarigg
AV Clubber
This is a public service announcement - with guitars
Posts: 7,638
|
Post by Dellarigg on Oct 26, 2021 12:42:35 GMT -5
More seriously, I quite liked it, more than I thought I would. I've never read the books or seen the Lynch version. I fancied a bit of otherworldly spectacle, and it delivered on that.
|
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 26, 2021 13:15:54 GMT -5
More seriously, I quite liked it, more than I thought I would. I've never read the books or seen the Lynch version. I fancied a bit of otherworldly spectacle, and it delivered on that. I'm like 99% sure you in particular would not be a fan of the books. Have you seen any of Villeneuve's other sci fi films? |
|
Invisible Goat
Shoutbox Elitist 
Grab your mother's keys, we're leaving
Posts: 2,644
|
Post by Invisible Goat on Oct 26, 2021 13:29:43 GMT -5
Looks like Dune 2's back on the menu boys!
|
|
|
|
Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 26, 2021 14:04:57 GMT -5
|
|
Dellarigg
AV Clubber
This is a public service announcement - with guitars
Posts: 7,638
|
Post by Dellarigg on Oct 26, 2021 14:07:25 GMT -5
More seriously, I quite liked it, more than I thought I would. I've never read the books or seen the Lynch version. I fancied a bit of otherworldly spectacle, and it delivered on that. I'm like 99% sure you in particular would not be a fan of the books. Have you seen any of Villeneuve's other sci fi films? I've seen Arrival, which passed muster, and the Blade Runner sequel, which bored the sheer piss out of me. As for the Dune books, suspecting you're right, I'll continue to avoid them. |
|
|
|
Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 26, 2021 14:31:32 GMT -5
|
|
Rainbow Rosa
TI Forumite
not gay, just colorful
Posts: 3,604 
|
Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 26, 2021 14:58:45 GMT -5
Rando, you have made a typo in this thread's title. As you can see below, the film is clearly titled Dunc (named of course for Duncan "Dunc" Idaho, the protagonist of the Frank Herbert book from which Dunc is derived).  Please correct your error. |
|
Crash Test Dumbass
AV Clubber
ffc what now
Posts: 7,058
Gender (additional): mostly snacks
|
Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Oct 26, 2021 16:16:29 GMT -5
I enjoyed it, but like the good Mr. Grimm, I've read the novel a number of times (and want to read it again now), and I realize that a lot of it is just place-setting, but I wanted more of it.
What annoyed me the most is how they put the accent on a different syllable than where I heard it in my head (ARrakis, bene gesSERit, a couple others that I can't remember right now). Also they only called it "Dune" once, and it was the Baron calling it that for no reason at all except to say the name of the movie, and TBH calling the planet "Dune" is like calling our planet "Wave".
|
|
