|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 16, 2022 12:17:27 GMT -5
Fair, but also: it's fuckin' Boba Fett. If he wouldn't have gladly shot up a bunch of natives two weeks ago for the right price, then he is not the dude I thought he was. So we are still trafficking in some "saved and changed by learning the wise and noble ways of the savages" tropes here even if, yea, if the action and fighting stuff is plausible given his history. Not that there isn't some 'noble savage / salvage' element to the Tuskens and Jawas, but between the flashbacks to his friendless childhood, and dad dying so early, it seemed more that this was the first time he felt like he had a family, and then felt guilty for basically getting them all murdered. He just as easily could have gotten taken in by the swoop bike gang, if they wanted to go that way with it. Between is arc and ugh, amy sedaris' character dating a jawa, and speaking their language, it seemed like one goal of the series was to recontextualize both groups, with less 'savagery' involved. Aside from Baby Yoda, I also kinda hate Sedaris' character. It seems like she escaped from the Holiday Special. She's not as bad as BY, but I'm never excited to see her, which is sad because I usually like her in other projects. I'm 100% with you on Sedaris' character. Star Wars definitely has space for goofier characters but something about the way she functions as comic relief just feels jarring with the rest of show. In some ways I find her more out of place than the scooter gang, though I'm sure I'm in the minority on that.
|
|
|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 16, 2022 13:56:12 GMT -5
Celebith I'll even go one step beyond "Holiday Special" and say she feels like someone that wandered in from a Star Wars show at Disney World.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Feb 16, 2022 14:10:49 GMT -5
I think the best thing that can be said about the finale of The Baby Yoda Show Also Featuring A Mandalorian but we're going to pretend this time it's about Bob, A Fett is that the Joepescian mechanic said what we're all thinking: Grogu is a really stupid name for Baby Yoda.
It felt kind of numb and low-stakes, even when Bob and Mando were being shot by a whole bunch of lasers.
Things they are leaning waaaay too hard into:
There's probably a second season, for some reason. Also the post-credits scene didn't make sense to someone who is me and has never seen anything besides the nine films and Rouge On. I think that was the sheriff dude in the bacta tank, but who was the flamethrower guy? Was he in something else? Was he trying to break into the tank instead of hitting the 'open' button? Was he preparing a delicious crème brûlée for sheriff dude when he gets out?
The Mod bikes never really bugged me, because they're obviously supposed to be the equivalent of a Vespa gang, although maybe they should bug me because I thought Vespas were mostly 50cc engines, and apparently they go up to 200. I used to get up to 95 mph / 140 kph on my 125cc bike, so they ought to have a bit more oomph than on the show. Still, considering the ecomomic fortunes of the town and planet, maybe not.
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on Feb 16, 2022 14:22:51 GMT -5
Celebith I'll even go one step beyond "Holiday Special" and say she feels like someone that wandered in from a Star Wars show at Disney World. Like you said, she doesn't really fit the aesthetic of the rest of the show(s). Overly broad, and she does always seem like she's entering from the edge of the stage, in the middle of some dialog and then a 'well, hello audience! welcome to the wild west show' sort of vibe. The mayor's aide also didn't really fit the rest of the show. Most of these shows (including the Clone Wars / cartoons in this category) are better off when they're establishing their own mythologies and less good when they're trying to flesh out other back stories. BoBF works as an 'old gunslinger tries to adapt to a changing world that he obviously doesn't understand, and only partially succeeds through the help of his friends' story, but it's not pitched that way. Boba Fett worked because he was a total blank slate that audiences could identify and mythologize with. Every bit of fleshing out made him worse. OTOH, characters like Asohka and the clone troopers work because they color in Anakin's fall so it isn't just a snap decision to join Palpatine, but they're engaging the audience outside of what had already been there.
|
|
|
Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Feb 16, 2022 14:24:37 GMT -5
Man, I like the silly and colorful elements being added to the Star Wars universe; not everything needs to be sandy and dour all the time. Amy Sedaris is a delight.
|
|
|
Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Feb 16, 2022 14:42:24 GMT -5
Man, I like the silly and colorful elements being added to the Star Wars universe; not everything needs to be sandy and dour all the time. Amy Sedaris is a delight. It's not about being silly, for me. I am fully on board with Baby Yoda sight gags and Ewoks and all sorts of dumb space shit in my Star Wars. It's like what Bith said: she's playing it to the rafters in a stage show when everyone else is TV acting.
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on Feb 21, 2022 8:51:58 GMT -5
This is kind of long, but really good. It might be my new head canon: Boba Fett fan comic www.imfineimfine.com/Don't let the "fan comic" dissuade you, they worked on She-Ra and Lumberjanes.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Feb 25, 2022 14:44:53 GMT -5
This is kind of long, but really good. It might be my new head canon: Boba Fett fan comic www.imfineimfine.com/Don't let the "fan comic" dissuade you, they worked on She-Ra and Lumberjanes. OH I didn’t know Gingerhaze had taken their art to a dedicated website! I love their art. Also did not know about the name & pronoun change; guess I’m behind the times.
|
|
ABz B👹anaz
Grandfathered In
This country is (now less of) a shitshow.
Posts: 1,989
|
Post by ABz B👹anaz on Feb 25, 2022 16:33:33 GMT -5
This is kind of long, but really good. It might be my new head canon: Boba Fett fan comic www.imfineimfine.com/Don't let the "fan comic" dissuade you, they worked on She-Ra and Lumberjanes. Finally got to read this today - that was adorable!
|
|
Ben Grimm
TI Forumite
Posts: 7,541
Member is Online
|
Post by Ben Grimm on Feb 26, 2022 20:15:10 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 22, 2022 22:17:42 GMT -5
Obi-Wan next week xxfingersxx they don't fuck it up like they did Boba Fett.
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on May 23, 2022 9:45:04 GMT -5
Obi-Wan next week xxfingersxx they don't fuck it up like they did Boba Fett. The trailer didn't move me to be as excited about this as I should be. Ten years ago I would have been over the moon about Ewan coming back as a middle aged Obi-Wan but there has been far too many poor or mediocre Star Wars content since then.
|
|
Ben Grimm
TI Forumite
Posts: 7,541
Member is Online
|
Post by Ben Grimm on May 23, 2022 10:26:45 GMT -5
Obi-Wan next week xxfingersxx they don't fuck it up like they did Boba Fett. The trailer didn't move me to be as excited about this as I should be. Ten years ago I would have been over the moon about Ewan coming back as a middle aged Obi-Wan but there has been far too many poor or mediocre Star Wars content since then. Weird, I'm the opposite. Ten years ago I would have been pretty underwhelmed, since I had disliked the majority of post-RotJ content, but now I'm much more excited, because I've enjoyed the Disney-era content much more than the era from 1997 to the Disney takeover.
|
|
Ben Grimm
TI Forumite
Posts: 7,541
Member is Online
|
Post by Ben Grimm on May 26, 2022 13:42:09 GMT -5
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 26, 2022 23:11:38 GMT -5
FINALLY FINALLY
They've been pushing the other stuff so hard I thought they'd forgotten about Cassian!! I am actually way more excited for this than I am for Obi-Wan; it's a whole era we've never seen before, and it also has Mon Mothma, who I have love unreasonably since ROTJ. And I say "unreasonably" because she did nothing really in Jedi to warrant it. I just..I love her, man.
Was that Lori Petty? I haven't looked at the cast list at all.
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on May 27, 2022 7:25:29 GMT -5
I'm a bad Star Wars fan, I have had Andor and Alderaan mixed up ever since this was announced and it has caused endless confusion on my part about the timeline. So 5 years before BBY and 5 years after the Obi Wan show right?
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on May 27, 2022 15:49:24 GMT -5
Maybe you have seen this already, seems like it has been out there a while, but a professional editor reworked Episode 4 into a movie about Obi-wan's journey by using prequel clips. I have not watched the whole thing, but what I have seen is pretty good:
|
|
|
Post by Desert Dweller on May 28, 2022 1:31:38 GMT -5
FINALLY FINALLY
They've been pushing the other stuff so hard I thought they'd forgotten about Cassian!! I am actually way more excited for this than I am for Obi-Wan; it's a whole era we've never seen before, and it also has Mon Mothma, who I have love unreasonably since ROTJ. And I say "unreasonably" because she did nothing really in Jedi to warrant it. I just..I love her, man.
Was that Lori Petty? I haven't looked at the cast list at all.
I LOVED Cassian in Rogue One. I thought he was so intriguing and fun. And while I understand why all the characters had to die at the end of that movie, and in fact greatly support that decision, I am still bummed that he died. It will hopefully be fun to learn more about him.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on May 28, 2022 12:22:43 GMT -5
No thoughts head empty only BABY LEIA. The noise I made when I realized it was Alderaan could only be heard by dogs. Obi-wan is spending so much time commuting; wasn’t there a cave closer to Anchorhead? Look I have as many Obi-wan feels as anyone, but I am very much on Owen’s side in this. Stay away from my kid you crazy old hermit. Also Edgerton is nailing it, wow. His stance in the middle of the street. FLEA!! Remember the 90s, when he would just randomly pop up in movies? Every bit of Obi-wan & Leia interaction was amaaaazing BABY LEIA I HAD NO IDEA. omg CLONE!! I LOVE the idea of a fake Jedi scam, but tbh Kumail Nanjiani is distracting; not sure if he’s too familiar or just doesn’t quite fit. Yeah that final shot was fantastic. also they added the mouse droid to the Star Wars intro thing!
|
|
|
Post by Celebith on May 31, 2022 15:33:58 GMT -5
Maybe you have seen this already, seems like it has been out there a while, but a professional editor reworked Episode 4 into a movie about Obi-wan's journey by using prequel clips. I have not watched the whole thing, but what I have seen is pretty good:
|
|
|
Post by sarapen on Jun 2, 2022 18:45:42 GMT -5
So anyone got any hot takes on Obi-Wan? I mean, it's better than Boba Fett, but I'm not sure what more I can say about it. I'm not plotzing with joy like I was with The Mandalorian but it's not aimlessly wandering around Tattooine either. I was worried it would get too fanficcy about filling in the secret back story between the prequels and the main trilogy but it's avoided that kind of excess so far. I guess it's okay? Not sure what else to say about the show right now.
|
|
Ben Grimm
TI Forumite
Posts: 7,541
Member is Online
|
Post by Ben Grimm on Jun 2, 2022 20:07:38 GMT -5
So anyone got any hot takes on Obi-Wan? I mean, it's better than Boba Fett, but I'm not sure what more I can say about it. I'm not plotzing with joy like I was with The Mandalorian but it's not aimlessly wandering around Tattooine either. I was worried it would get too fanficcy about filling in the secret back story between the prequels and the main trilogy but it's avoided that kind of excess so far. I guess it's okay? Not sure what else to say about the show right now. I'm enjoying it, but it feels like what it is: the first half of an unfinished story. As a result, I'm kind of hesitant to judge it right now. What it feels like - and we got hints of this in the Mandalorian 2.5 episodes of the Book of Boba - is that they're finally integrating this Dave Filoni story that's been developing over Clone Wars and Rebels with the Lucas-era movies. Granted, they sort of zippered off the prequels to begin with, but we've never seen the two pillars interact like this before. And there's elements of "finally!" and elements of "I need to see if they pull this off." So far, I think they've managed to thread the needle, at least so far, of doing an Obi-Wan story that doesn't create huge problems they'll need to address at some point. And half of my concerns had been about that. The story makes a basic amount of sense - or at least I think it does, assuming some things play out how I think they will - while still feeling true to the characters and the story. In short, I like the first half of this story. I like how Ewan is portraying a very reluctant Obi-Wan, young Leia is mostly working for me, and the Inquisitors seem to be translating to live action pretty well. They handled the Kenobi/Vader interaction by simply avoiding a fight, which was probably the right call (though I think it's possible that they'll have a real fight eventually, and, if so, Vader will probably get annihilated - it'll be The Force Unleashed destroyed armor in live action). So, solid B+ so far.
|
|
|
Post by sarapen on Jun 3, 2022 12:24:10 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it, but it feels like what it is: the first half of an unfinished story. As a result, I'm kind of hesitant to judge it right now. What it feels like - and we got hints of this in the Mandalorian 2.5 episodes of the Book of Boba - is that they're finally integrating this Dave Filoni story that's been developing over Clone Wars and Rebels with the Lucas-era movies. Granted, they sort of zippered off the prequels to begin with, but we've never seen the two pillars interact like this before. And there's elements of "finally!" and elements of "I need to see if they pull this off." So far, I think they've managed to thread the needle, at least so far, of doing an Obi-Wan story that doesn't create huge problems they'll need to address at some point. And half of my concerns had been about that. The story makes a basic amount of sense - or at least I think it does, assuming some things play out how I think they will - while still feeling true to the characters and the story. In short, I like the first half of this story. I like how Ewan is portraying a very reluctant Obi-Wan, young Leia is mostly working for me, and the Inquisitors seem to be translating to live action pretty well. They handled the Kenobi/Vader interaction by simply avoiding a fight, which was probably the right call (though I think it's possible that they'll have a real fight eventually, and, if so, Vader will probably get annihilated - it'll be The Force Unleashed destroyed armor in live action). So, solid B+ so far. Fair points, though I think I'd give it more a B or B- so far. I will note something that niggled at me from episode 3 though - when Obi-Wan first meets Darth Vader, he scurries away to avoid combat. He exits to the right, then the camera cuts to show him running into the screen from the right. It looks like he decided to run away from Vader and then changed his mind and and ran back in. Really weird choice for that scene.
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on Jun 3, 2022 16:38:57 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it, but it feels like what it is: the first half of an unfinished story. As a result, I'm kind of hesitant to judge it right now. What it feels like - and we got hints of this in the Mandalorian 2.5 episodes of the Book of Boba - is that they're finally integrating this Dave Filoni story that's been developing over Clone Wars and Rebels with the Lucas-era movies. Granted, they sort of zippered off the prequels to begin with, but we've never seen the two pillars interact like this before. And there's elements of "finally!" and elements of "I need to see if they pull this off." So far, I think they've managed to thread the needle, at least so far, of doing an Obi-Wan story that doesn't create huge problems they'll need to address at some point. And half of my concerns had been about that. The story makes a basic amount of sense - or at least I think it does, assuming some things play out how I think they will - while still feeling true to the characters and the story. In short, I like the first half of this story. I like how Ewan is portraying a very reluctant Obi-Wan, young Leia is mostly working for me, and the Inquisitors seem to be translating to live action pretty well. They handled the Kenobi/Vader interaction by simply avoiding a fight, which was probably the right call (though I think it's possible that they'll have a real fight eventually, and, if so, Vader will probably get annihilated - it'll be The Force Unleashed destroyed armor in live action). So, solid B+ so far. Fair points, though I think I'd give it more a B or B- so far. I will note something that niggled at me from episode 3 though - when Obi-Wan first meets Darth Vader, he scurries away to avoid combat. He exits to the right, then the camera cuts to show him running into the screen from the right. It looks like he decided to run away from Vader and then changed his mind and and ran back in. Really weird choice for that scene. I noticed that too, it was very CW or BBC level editing and made it seem like they did not have the budget for a different set so just had him run back into the same set.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 4, 2022 22:23:11 GMT -5
I'm enjoying it, but it feels like what it is: the first half of an unfinished story. As a result, I'm kind of hesitant to judge it right now. What it feels like - and we got hints of this in the Mandalorian 2.5 episodes of the Book of Boba - is that they're finally integrating this Dave Filoni story that's been developing over Clone Wars and Rebels with the Lucas-era movies. Granted, they sort of zippered off the prequels to begin with, but we've never seen the two pillars interact like this before. And there's elements of "finally!" and elements of "I need to see if they pull this off." So far, I think they've managed to thread the needle, at least so far, of doing an Obi-Wan story that doesn't create huge problems they'll need to address at some point. And half of my concerns had been about that. The story makes a basic amount of sense - or at least I think it does, assuming some things play out how I think they will - while still feeling true to the characters and the story. In short, I like the first half of this story. I like how Ewan is portraying a very reluctant Obi-Wan, young Leia is mostly working for me, and the Inquisitors seem to be translating to live action pretty well. They handled the Kenobi/Vader interaction by simply avoiding a fight, which was probably the right call (though I think it's possible that they'll have a real fight eventually, and, if so, Vader will probably get annihilated - it'll be The Force Unleashed destroyed armor in live action). So, solid B+ so far. Fair points, though I think I'd give it more a B or B- so far. I will note something that niggled at me from episode 3 though - when Obi-Wan first meets Darth Vader, he scurries away to avoid combat. He exits to the right, then the camera cuts to show him running into the screen from the right. It looks like he decided to run away from Vader and then changed his mind and and ran back in. Really weird choice for that scene. Yeah, so far the choreography on any action has been really weird, and honestly if I've noticed it, it's probably pretty bad. But tbh I'm not in it for the action, I'm in it for broken-adrift-lost-everything-Obi-wan, and I am getting that in truckloads.
A friend reported that her sister watched the first ep, and said it was "trash", and y'all I'm here to tell you, I came so close to making everyone look bad by unloading on her because uh I am not capable of being normal about Star Wars. I settled on a "I guess it depends on what you were expecting; I was expecting exactly what I got." I'm sure they wanted badassery and light sabers galore and some sort of unexpected Jedi being unexpected and rising up against the Empire or whatever, but yeah that's not where the galaxy is right now, and it's certainly not where Obi-wan Kenobi is right now. I LOVE IT characters who've lost everything are 10000% a bulletproof kink of mine.
Ok to be fair I wasn't expecting BABY LEIA but that's just icing on the cake. I am so here for Babysitter's Club: Star Wars and they better give Lando a kid to look after next. Obviously I love her so much; there is an element of overly-precocious, but as it's meant to be a manifestation of her Force-sensitivity, and she's a smart kid being raised by politicians, I can roll with it. Plus the dynamic between her and Obi-wan is absolute gold. He has no idea what to do with kids who aren't Jedi-in-training and his frazzled don't-quite-know-what-to-with-her attitude is giving me life.
So yeah so far I am digging it. And HOORAY Indira Varma didn't get immediately killed.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 12, 2022 0:04:04 GMT -5
Look, I’m not one to overthink some of the more ridiculous Star Wars elements, and I get that “break in to Imperial bases for reasons” is a tradition, but my god, how can the Empire have such fucking horrible security? No cctv anywhere that catches a glimpse of a rando wandering around the halls? No monitoring of communications/data stations that would get Tala shut down in a heartbeat?
I honestly think this is bothering me more now because I’m extremely aware of the type of security that’s required to, like, get on a plane, or just into my office. You’d think a fascist military base would run a tighter ship.
And yeah we all want to see Obi-wan in his whole Jedi get-up, but it’s utterly idiotic to have him in the robes at all in this show. Ok the Jedi dress has been bothering me the whole time, just this week it got to be too irritating. There are other styles & colours of cloaks, y’all. He doesn’t have to mosey around in uniform.
On other, unsurprising news, I continue to make ridiculous squeaky noises at baby!Leia, and her taking Obi-wan’s hand was just…heartbreakingly perfect. Reva’s aborted hand-motion, like she had to physically keep herself from choking out a child, was kinda hilarious. Welcome to headstrong ten-year-olds*, Third Sister.
*that child is not ten. Her face is still too babyround, and I can’t explain it more clearly, but ten-year-olds don’t run like that. I don’t particularly care that the actress is younger, because she’s perfect, but maybe stop actively saying her age.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 18, 2022 13:17:47 GMT -5
I want to be perfectly clear: I have never, and will never, buy that Vader was "redeemed". Saving one person from getting fried by the Emperor does not come close to making up for the terrible shit he did over his lifetime. I'll allow that there may be "good in him" somewhere deep deep down, but uh. No. Potential to be good does not a redemption make.
Case in point: holy shit, seeing Anakin coming at the younglings utterly terrifying. I mean it's always been terrifying, but from Reva's PoV was just an extra punch of horrific. And her asking Obi-wan, "Why didn't you stop him?" was EXACTLY what I was looking for in this series. Yes girl, you slam that guilt button. I do love Obi-wan, but man. There are "parenting" fuck ups and then there is being oblivious enough to not see where Anakin was headed.
I don't know how much of a reveal it was (I mean I wasn't expecting it), but I did very much like that Reva has been after Vader all along, rather than just wanting to kill Obi-wan for not protecting them. That is some deep-seated, tightly-concealed burning vengeance festering for years, and I am all about that shit. Look I've got a lot of anger myself okay.
Yeah yeah Obi-Wan and Anakin sparring was great and it was very cool to see those two characters doing their thing again. And I personally am fine with the "clearly not 18" Anakin; if they'd de-aged Christensen too much, it would have looked wrong and fake, like it did with Leia at the end of Rogue One. It's also great that the flashbacks were actually Vader's flashbacks, and not just for the viewers.
|
|
|
Post by nowimnothing on Jun 20, 2022 13:56:48 GMT -5
I want to be perfectly clear: I have never, and will never, buy that Vader was "redeemed". Saving one person from getting fried by the Emperor does not come close to making up for the terrible shit he did over his lifetime. I'll allow that there may be "good in him" somewhere deep deep down, but uh. No. Potential to be good does not a redemption make.
Case in point: holy shit, seeing Anakin coming at the younglings utterly terrifying. I mean it's always been terrifying, but from Reva's PoV was just an extra punch of horrific. And her asking Obi-wan, "Why didn't you stop him?" was EXACTLY what I was looking for in this series. Yes girl, you slam that guilt button. I do love Obi-wan, but man. There are "parenting" fuck ups and then there is being oblivious enough to not see where Anakin was headed.
I don't know how much of a reveal it was (I mean I wasn't expecting it), but I did very much like that Reva has been after Vader all along, rather than just wanting to kill Obi-wan for not protecting them. That is some deep-seated, tightly-concealed burning vengeance festering for years, and I am all about that shit. Look I've got a lot of anger myself okay.
Yeah yeah Obi-Wan and Anakin sparring was great and it was very cool to see those two characters doing their thing again. And I personally am fine with the "clearly not 18" Anakin; if they'd de-aged Christensen too much, it would have looked wrong and fake, like it did with Leia at the end of Rogue One. It's also great that the flashbacks were actually Vader's flashbacks, and not just for the viewers.
De-aged Christensen was into the uncanny valley for me, he ended up looking like a totally different person. I agree about the guilt trip, that is the best part of the show. Unfortunately Disney felt like they had to shoehorn it into the wild adventures of an old man and a precocious child who are repeatedly caught and then pull off daring escapes*. Don't get me wrong, baby Leia does not grate on me as much as it does others, but this could have been an amazing show if it really just focused on Obi Wan and his struggle to come to terms with his failure. The best part of the prequels is the realization that Yoda and Obi Wan in addition to most of the Jedi are deeply flawed. That provides a lot of context to their actions in the original trilogy. This show should be giving us that arc for Obi Wan where he goes from reluctant to hopeful in advocating for Luke with Yoda. We have gotten bits of that, but in between too many daring escapes. *Seriously I think 4 out of 5 episodes have ended with someone with a red lightsaber watching their prey slip away yet again. That is just lazy writing.
|
|
|
Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jun 20, 2022 14:25:19 GMT -5
DID they de-age Christensen digitally? He looked basically 40 to me, maybe with some makeup magic. But I wasn't too focused on that.
|
|
|
Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jun 20, 2022 19:46:48 GMT -5
DID they de-age Christensen digitally? He looked basically 40 to me, maybe with some makeup magic. But I wasn't too focused on that. Yes that was what I thought, too. He looks odd to me because I don’t think I’ve seen him since ROTS.
|
|