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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Dec 29, 2021 22:01:03 GMT -5
Ok y’all I haven’t watched any of the animated stuff, and I might have said all this before?
I have had a hard time not yelling at clouds about the entire concept of Mandalorians as a real people, thanks to the neckbeards* going batshit over Boba Fett after ESB for no reason other than ~~~~oooh he’s so mysterious & talked back to Vader he must be badass~~~, but The Mandalorian got me over that pretty much.
Plus I have had an even harder time giving a shit about Boba Fett at all because of the above, and also I get so sick of “we gotta bring X back to life” (especially when it comes across as fanboy pandering) (another of my issues with Mandalore in general; frankly that’s the only reason it exists IMO) so basically I’m saying I have knee-jerk issues with anything Mandalorian-focused.
SO HAVING SAID I do like Teumera Morrison & Ming-Na Wen, and I very much like the concept of exploring & fleshing out Boba Fett as an actual person, rather than it just being “he’s so fuckin cool bc shiny armor”.
And so far, I’m digging what they’re doing here. I like the initial stages of them flexing their collective New Crimelords muscle & Fennec’s eye rolling at the lack of straight-up throat slicing. Look I find it hilarious when blood-thirsty characters are reluctantly restrained, ok?
*sure we didn’t call them “neckbeards” then, but that’s just what they were & so fucking insufferable.
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Post by Crash Test Dumbass on Dec 29, 2021 22:22:38 GMT -5
I just finished The Baby Yoda Show, Also Starring The Mandalorian, and I enjoyed it, though I was spoiled on the guest stars. Also why are all the supporting cast from the swamp planet of Joepesci?
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Post by Prole Hole on Dec 30, 2021 10:13:31 GMT -5
So the first episode of Boba Fett was... fine? I wasn't blown away or disappointed by it, but I'm not sure how it's yet meaningfully any different from The Mandalorian. Same tone, same style, same direction, same music... even the same helmet, except this show comes with the burden of 40ish year of fan theories, Extended Universe, novels, games, prequels and whatnot to bog the character down in a way that it isn't for Mando (and wasn't Mando always basically just Boba Fett minus cumbersome back-story anyway?). I mean, this was OK, though the shield fight was appalling directed, but it felt... I dunno. Ordinary, maybe? We'll see where it goes and I loves me a bit of Ming-Na Wen so I'm in for now but it wasn't spectacular.
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Post by sarapen on Jan 4, 2022 11:02:11 GMT -5
Is it me or is the chest armour too small for Boba Fett? Every time I see him wearing it I'm reminded of a middle-aged man squeezing himself into his high school football uniform. I feel like that's not the image the show is going for.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 5, 2022 9:12:47 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the exploration they're doing of Tusken culture in this. The whole sequence with him joining/becoming accepted by the tribe was just fantastic.
And finally seeing Black Krrsantan in live action was a treat. There's no way they're bringing him in just for that cameo; I think it's pretty safe to say he's going to have some importance moving forward.
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Post by patbat on Jan 5, 2022 13:24:05 GMT -5
Is it me or is the chest armour too small for Boba Fett? Every time I see him wearing it I'm reminded of a middle-aged man squeezing himself into his high school football uniform. I feel like that's not the image the show is going for. It actually fits the same way it did on the original costume, it just looks weird with the black robe underneath because it doesn't have the belt/codpiece combo he wore with the grey jumpsuit. It's odd, but the cuirass never covered his abdomen. |
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Post by ABz B👹anaz on Jan 5, 2022 20:26:16 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the exploration they're doing of Tusken culture in this. The whole sequence with him joining/becoming accepted by the tribe was just fantastic. And finally seeing Black Krrsantan in live action was a treat. There's no way they're bringing him in just for that cameo; I think it's pretty safe to say he's going to have some importance moving forward. I just watched this, and it was FUCKING AWESOME! The Great Tusken Train Robbery! Pykes on the train! Twin Hutts! An Ithorian mayor! Black Krrsantan! (Who I didn't know of before today but he looks SO COOL!) |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 5, 2022 20:38:14 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the exploration they're doing of Tusken culture in this. The whole sequence with him joining/becoming accepted by the tribe was just fantastic. And finally seeing Black Krrsantan in live action was a treat. There's no way they're bringing him in just for that cameo; I think it's pretty safe to say he's going to have some importance moving forward. I just watched this, and it was FUCKING AWESOME! The Great Tusken Train Robbery! Pykes on the train! Twin Hutts! An Ithorian mayor! Black Krrsantan! (Who I didn't know of before today but he looks SO COOL!) He's a great character in the Marvel Star Wars comics, especially in Doctor Aphra. He's also got a history with Boba. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 6, 2022 10:36:54 GMT -5
How does everyone feel about the whole Dances with Banthas flashback portion of the show?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 6, 2022 11:17:11 GMT -5
How does everyone feel about the whole Dances with Banthas flashback portion of the show? It's pretty consistently been my favorite part of the show so far. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 6, 2022 12:48:49 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture...
but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 6, 2022 13:23:52 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. My working fan-theory: This is going to go full Dune. They're doing the parallel timelines thing to preserve some mystery over what's going on with the Tuskens, and possibly make us think they were wiped out, but it's going to turn out the two stories are very tightly connected. Boba took out Bib Fortuna and took over Jabba's organization because he thought it was the best way to protect the Tuskens. The Tuskens are going to be his Fremen, only we're not even going to know they're still alive until they show up en masse to save Boba's bacon when things look darkest and then serve as his private army. If they told the story linearly, it means that the big reveal of why Boba is doing this would come at the midpoint of the show, instead of the end, when we'll get it. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 6, 2022 13:36:22 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. My working fan-theory: This is going to go full Dune. They're doing the parallel timelines thing to preserve some mystery over what's going on with the Tuskens, and possibly make us think they were wiped out, but it's going to turn out the two stories are very tightly connected. Boba took out Bib Fortuna and took over Jabba's organization because he thought it was the best way to protect the Tuskens. The Tuskens are going to be his Fremen, only we're not even going to know they're still alive until they show up en masse to save Boba's bacon when things look darkest and then serve as his private army. If they told the story linearly, it means that the big reveal of why Boba is doing this would come at the midpoint of the show, instead of the end, when we'll get it. Could be. I am sure that the Tuskens' loyalty to him will come into play. And hopefully it will come together -- it just seems kind of disconnected right now. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Jan 6, 2022 18:17:16 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. I've really come to hate flashbacks like this as a technique, it just seems like a lazy way to try and make your story look more interesting. Would the story have been any different had The Rt Hon Mr Fett emerged from Sarlaac Comeuppance and just gotten on with telling the story about how his experiences affected him and changed his perspective? No. No it would not. And it would have a proper structure, rather than trying to be "clever", because at the moment the chopping up of the narrative chronologically isn't achieving anything and is killing interest in the "now". The individual bits are working but they're not at all connecting. Anyway, I was a bit less fond of this episode than most it seems. It was still fine - the Tuskan stuff and the Hutt material was good, but the train (and bar fight) was just every lazy Western cliche and already read like a less good version of something similar in Solo (which wasn't that great there either). If you have to stick with your Western theme - and again, they don't, since Mando has that covered oh and also has done something similar - there must be other things to do. I dunno. I am not whelmed, either over or under. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 6, 2022 22:07:02 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. Honestly my working fan-theory is that Favreau, Filoni, & Rodriguez have spent years hanging out & coming up with ideas about how Fett survived the sarlaac. I’m not against that, and I do very much like seeing more of the Tuskens, I do agree the pacing is a little rough because they are very invested in sharing their head canon. they better stop shooting banthas, thought, because I love them (even if I don’t remotely buy that they’d successfully adapt to a desert planet with that hair. Much like Wookiees and a jungle planet). |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 6, 2022 22:08:31 GMT -5
I'm really enjoying the exploration they're doing of Tusken culture in this. The whole sequence with him joining/becoming accepted by the tribe was just fantastic. And finally seeing Black Krrsantan in live action was a treat. There's no way they're bringing him in just for that cameo; I think it's pretty safe to say he's going to have some importance moving forward. Dude that is the meanest-looking Wookiee I’ve ever seen. Also IRRC, Ithorians aren’t really known for, like, politics & scheming, so that was an interesting choice. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 6, 2022 22:35:03 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. Honestly my working fan-theory is that Favreau, Filoni, & Rodriguez have spent years hanging out & coming up with ideas about how Fett survived the sarlaac. I’m not against that, and I do very much like seeing more of the Tuskens, I do agree the pacing is a little rough because they are very invested in sharing their head canon. they better stop shooting banthas, thought, because I love them (even if I don’t remotely buy that they’d successfully adapt to a desert planet with that hair. Much like Wookiees and a jungle planet). That scene of him climbing out of the pit was lifted heavily from Patton Oswalt’s monologue on Parks & Rec! |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 6, 2022 23:25:38 GMT -5
Honestly my working fan-theory is that Favreau, Filoni, & Rodriguez have spent years hanging out & coming up with ideas about how Fett survived the sarlaac. I’m not against that, and I do very much like seeing more of the Tuskens, I do agree the pacing is a little rough because they are very invested in sharing their head canon. they better stop shooting banthas, thought, because I love them (even if I don’t remotely buy that they’d successfully adapt to a desert planet with that hair. Much like Wookiees and a jungle planet). That scene of him climbing out of the pit was lifted heavily from Patton Oswalt’s monologue on Parks & Rec! I’ve never made it through that monologue; it’s super-cringey to me. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Jan 7, 2022 8:29:55 GMT -5
That scene of him climbing out of the pit was lifted heavily from Patton Oswalt’s monologue on Parks & Rec! I’ve never made it through that monologue; it’s super-cringey to me. I mean, I've only seen the bits on the actual episode of P&R, but he is essentially describing exactly what happened. It's just kind of funny. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 7, 2022 10:43:37 GMT -5
So like.... Book of Boba Fett is well done, I enjoy Temeura Morrison, it's cool seeing more of Tusken culture... but what IS this show? Are they ever gonna focus on the "now" timeline? OK, we saw the Hutts but ... then what? Why didn't they just stay with the flashbacks and move forward, instead of the bacta tank dreams and so much back and forth? It just feels like an odd narrative choice. I've really come to hate flashbacks like this as a technique, it just seems like a lazy way to try and make your story look more interesting. Would the story have been any different had The Rt Hon Mr Fett emerged from Sarlaac Comeuppance and just gotten on with telling the story about how his experiences affected him and changed his perspective? No. No it would not. And it would have a proper structure, rather than trying to be "clever", because at the moment the chopping up of the narrative chronologically isn't achieving anything and is killing interest in the "now". The individual bits are working but they're not at all connecting. Anyway, I was a bit less fond of this episode than most it seems. It was still fine - the Tuskan stuff and the Hutt material was good, but the train (and bar fight) was just every lazy Western cliche and already read like a less good version of something similar in Solo (which wasn't that great there either). If you have to stick with your Western theme - and again, they don't, since Mando has that covered oh and also has done something similar - there must be other things to do. I dunno. I am not whelmed, either over or under. I think this is right because there doesn't seem to be any terribly thematic connection between the 'present day' and flashback bits. I asked about people's feelings on the Tusken stuff before because while it's well done in terms of being entertaining television, it does feel a little 'have our cake and eat it too'. Like, "ooo, look at us being clever and making you reconsider how the Tusken Raiders were original presented by using a lightly anti-colonial lense!" but also "well, you can't call it a white savior narrative because aliens!". I am perhaps overthinking the whole thing. |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 7, 2022 12:33:21 GMT -5
I've really come to hate flashbacks like this as a technique, it just seems like a lazy way to try and make your story look more interesting. Would the story have been any different had The Rt Hon Mr Fett emerged from Sarlaac Comeuppance and just gotten on with telling the story about how his experiences affected him and changed his perspective? No. No it would not. And it would have a proper structure, rather than trying to be "clever", because at the moment the chopping up of the narrative chronologically isn't achieving anything and is killing interest in the "now". The individual bits are working but they're not at all connecting. Anyway, I was a bit less fond of this episode than most it seems. It was still fine - the Tuskan stuff and the Hutt material was good, but the train (and bar fight) was just every lazy Western cliche and already read like a less good version of something similar in Solo (which wasn't that great there either). If you have to stick with your Western theme - and again, they don't, since Mando has that covered oh and also has done something similar - there must be other things to do. I dunno. I am not whelmed, either over or under. I think this is right because there doesn't seem to be any terribly thematic connection between the 'present day' and flashback bits. I asked about people's feelings on the Tusken stuff before because while it's well done in terms of being entertaining television, it does feel a little 'have our cake and eat it too'. Like, "ooo, look at us being clever and making you reconsider how the Tusken Raiders were original presented by using a lightly anti-colonial lense!" but also "well, you can't call it a white savior narrative because aliens!". I am perhaps overthinking the whole thing. More importantly, you can’t call it a white savior narrative because Temuera Morrison isn’t white. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 7, 2022 12:56:09 GMT -5
I think this is right because there doesn't seem to be any terribly thematic connection between the 'present day' and flashback bits. I asked about people's feelings on the Tusken stuff before because while it's well done in terms of being entertaining television, it does feel a little 'have our cake and eat it too'. Like, "ooo, look at us being clever and making you reconsider how the Tusken Raiders were original presented by using a lightly anti-colonial lense!" but also "well, you can't call it a white savior narrative because aliens!". I am perhaps overthinking the whole thing. More importantly, you can’t call it a white savior narrative because Temuera Morrison isn’t white. Well that too, but I think it's still a valid critique even if the common trope name isn't technically a fit here. It's still an outsider coming into an (admittedly fictional) indigenous culture, mastering a bunch of skills that the actual members of that tribe presumably spent their lives developing, and saving the day in their big fight with the oppressing outsiders. Like, if this was just a western and not a western-influenced Star Wars seems like there'd be more people asking why we're doing that in 2022. |
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Post by patbat on Jan 7, 2022 13:11:00 GMT -5
This is catnip to me, I just really like the Tuskens. Always have.
Seeing Black Krrsantan was neat, but it mainly just made me wonder if Dr. Aphra is still alive at this point in the continuity (I haven't kept up with the comic since Kieron Gillen stopped writing it) and if we'll ever get a live adaptation of her.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 7, 2022 13:13:20 GMT -5
This is catnip to me, I just really like the Tuskens. Always have. Seeing Black Krrsantan was neat, but it mainly just made me wonder if Dr. Aphra is still alive at this point in the continuity (I haven't kept up with the comic since Kieron Gillen stopped writing it) and if we'll ever get a live adaptation of her. There have been rumors about Chloe Bennet playing her for the past few years. I keep expecting her to turn up in something. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 7, 2022 13:16:33 GMT -5
This is catnip to me, I just really like the Tuskens. Always have. Seeing Black Krrsantan was neat, but it mainly just made me wonder if Dr. Aphra is still alive at this point in the continuity (I haven't kept up with the comic since Kieron Gillen stopped writing it) and if we'll ever get a live adaptation of her. There have been rumors about Chloe Bennet playing her for the past few years. I keep expecting her to turn up in something. Seems inevitable that they'd try a Disney+ show given the Star Wars and Marvel track record, right? |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jan 7, 2022 14:02:09 GMT -5
There have been rumors about Chloe Bennet playing her for the past few years. I keep expecting her to turn up in something. Seems inevitable that they'd try a Disney+ show given the Star Wars and Marvel track record, right? My guess is that they're going to introduce her in an episode of one of the shows that's in the works (and really any of the ones that are in the pipeline would work, since they're all, with the possible exception of the Kenobi show, set within 5 years or so of the OT era) and then spin her off into her own show. |
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Post by Prole Hole on Jan 7, 2022 14:05:19 GMT -5
More importantly, you can’t call it a white savior narrative because Temuera Morrison isn’t white. Well that too, but I think it's still a valid critique even if the common trope name isn't technically a fit here. It's still an outsider coming into an (admittedly fictional) indigenous culture, mastering a bunch of skills that the actual members of that tribe presumably spent their lives developing, and saving the day in their big fight with the oppressing outsiders. Like, if this was just a western and not a western-influenced Star Wars seems like there'd be more people asking why we're doing that in 2022. Slightly off-topic but I do worry a tad about Cobra Kai in this regard. White people be better at karate than anyone else (sure, Miguel isn't white, but that's the exception not the rule), Mr Miyagi is fetishised to a ludicrous degree, and the only Actual Asian character is a complete dick. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but... er, what's my point? I think I'm just agreeing with Owlie. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 7, 2022 17:52:56 GMT -5
Well that too, but I think it's still a valid critique even if the common trope name isn't technically a fit here. It's still an outsider coming into an (admittedly fictional) indigenous culture, mastering a bunch of skills that the actual members of that tribe presumably spent their lives developing, and saving the day in their big fight with the oppressing outsiders. Like, if this was just a western and not a western-influenced Star Wars seems like there'd be more people asking why we're doing that in 2022. Slightly off-topic but I do worry a tad about Cobra Kai in this regard. White people be better at karate than anyone else (sure, Miguel isn't white, but that's the exception not the rule), Mr Miyagi is fetishised to a ludicrous degree, and the only Actual Asian character is a complete dick. Don't get me wrong, I love the show, but... er, what's my point? I think I'm just agreeing with Owlie. As far as the class and tournament make-up go on Cobra Kai, I had kind of chalked that up to "well yea, that's probably realistically who would be at a bunch of suburban martial arts dojos...". Maybe that just makes it cultural appropriation twice-removed though? Who knows? The Miyagi stuff though, oof. I think it has definitely passed from "fun and respectful of the character and original movies" to "kind of uncomfortable, even for people that otherwise really enjoy the show" |
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Post by WKRP Jimmy Drop on Jan 7, 2022 17:53:08 GMT -5
More importantly, you can’t call it a white savior narrative because Temuera Morrison isn’t white. Well that too, but I think it's still a valid critique even if the common trope name isn't technically a fit here. It's still an outsider coming into an (admittedly fictional) indigenous culture, mastering a bunch of skills that the actual members of that tribe presumably spent their lives developing, and saving the day in their big fight with the oppressing outsiders. Like, if this was just a western and not a western-influenced Star Wars seems like there'd be more people asking why we're doing that in 2022. Yeah I’d sorta like to know if there is a name for that when the outsider isn’t white, because it is a little reductive no matter who does it. I mean you can frame it as “outsiders with no generational history/prejudices of the warring factions are more easily able to see the common ground“, and I’ll grudgingly agree, but it’s been overused as a trope. But in this case I am gonna kinda side with the fanboys: it’s fuckin Boba Fett, man. If he can’t learn to fight well with a gafi stick in a relatively short period of time, then he is not the dude I thought he was In a less fanboy way, I’d be surprised if Mandalorians in general aren’t trained in that kind of thing as children, whether they stick with it or not*. Fett specifically has a pretty brawly past, so who’s to say that’s the first time he’s done that sort of fighting. idk do clones have a higher learning stat or something? *HA HA STICK WITH IT. |
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Post by Superb Owl 🦉 on Jan 7, 2022 18:02:56 GMT -5
Well that too, but I think it's still a valid critique even if the common trope name isn't technically a fit here. It's still an outsider coming into an (admittedly fictional) indigenous culture, mastering a bunch of skills that the actual members of that tribe presumably spent their lives developing, and saving the day in their big fight with the oppressing outsiders. Like, if this was just a western and not a western-influenced Star Wars seems like there'd be more people asking why we're doing that in 2022. Yeah I’d sorta like to know if there is a name for that when the outsider isn’t white, because it is a little reductive no matter who does it. I mean you can frame it as “outsiders with no generational history/prejudices of the warring factions are more easily able to see the common ground“, and I’ll grudgingly agree, but it’s been overused as a trope. But in this case I am gonna kinda side with the fanboys: it’s fuckin Boba Fett, man. If he can’t learn to fight well with a gafi stick in a relatively short period of time, then he is not the dude I thought he was In a less fanboy way, I’d be surprised if Mandalorians in general aren’t trained in that kind of thing as children, whether they stick with it or not*. Fett specifically has a pretty brawly past, so who’s to say that’s the first time he’s done that sort of fighting. idk do clones have a higher learning stat or something? *HA HA STICK WITH IT. Fair, but also: it's fuckin' Boba Fett. If he wouldn't have gladly shot up a bunch of natives two weeks ago for the right price, then he is not the dude I thought he was. So we are still trafficking in some "saved and changed by learning the wise and noble ways of the savages" tropes here even if, yea, if the action and fighting stuff is plausible given his history. |
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