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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 10, 2014 14:10:04 GMT -5
Yeah, I've rarely wanted to slap so many of the commentariat as I did right there - and that was a great response. Another Pizzolato interview - here he suggests there may be Mary & Rust novels to come, and again talks about how the series is especially about the stories we tell ourselves. Now of course to me, that is supernatural shit... of a specifically Grant Morrison vein. But I'd be fucked if I was going to talk about that in The Old Country, way things are going.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Mar 10, 2014 19:23:11 GMT -5
Yeah, I've rarely wanted to slap so many of the commentariat as I did right there - and that was a great response. Another Pizzolato interview - here he suggests there may be Mary & Rust novels to come, and again talks about how the series is especially about the stories we tell ourselves. Now of course to me, that is supernatural shit... of a specifically Grant Morrison vein. But I'd be fucked if I was going to talk about that in The Old Country, way things are going. As much as I loved this season, I really want to it to end right there. Unless there was a very well written story, I just don't see any sort of TV-sho-novelization-series as capable of doing justice to this show.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 11, 2014 6:17:45 GMT -5
Yeah, I've rarely wanted to slap so many of the commentariat as I did right there - and that was a great response. Another Pizzolato interview - here he suggests there may be Mary & Rust novels to come, and again talks about how the series is especially about the stories we tell ourselves. Now of course to me, that is supernatural shit... of a specifically Grant Morrison vein. But I'd be fucked if I was going to talk about that in The Old Country, way things are going. As much as I loved this season, I really want to it to end right there. Unless there was a very well written story, I just don't see any sort of TV-sho-novelization-series as capable of doing justice to this show. I could use some closure or follow-up on, well, the 90% of the plot that is still left hanging... The ending we have works on a lot of levels, but there's so much left in the air that a compelling story could be told. Hell, you could get a couple more seasons just from other police unravelling the mess.
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Post by beema on Mar 19, 2014 9:47:01 GMT -5
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Post by Post-Lupin on Mar 19, 2014 10:52:06 GMT -5
Motherfucker's always biting my shit. (To be fair, I was far from the first person to want Angela Bassett in S2.)
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Post by Pear on May 20, 2014 22:21:46 GMT -5
Jessica Chastain was offered one of the roles for season 2.
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Post by Post-Lupin on May 21, 2014 13:29:56 GMT -5
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Post by Pear on May 21, 2014 18:25:49 GMT -5
Jessica Chastain was offered one of the roles for season 2. Or not. Stop getting my hopes up, world.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Oct 6, 2014 16:06:58 GMT -5
I just watched the full first season this weekend and thought it was excellent, with minor quibbles. Coincidentally, I recently read David Benatar's "Better Never To Have Been" which supposedly informed the worldview of Cohle. It's interesting that Cohle's philosophy is incompatible with the view that "justice" is a meaningful concept, yet his effective "bracing" technique is to tap into the perpetrators' need to confess and be forgiven, which are also meaningless if we're "biological puppets." I think that view is very likely correct and, if so, it does make a mockery of the idea of the legal system as a justice system (and everything or almost everything else in life).
His tearful recollection of his near-experience seemed to put a somewhat religious spin on his death yearning, but I took that more as a poetic expression of his emotions rather than a theological statement signalling some change in his beliefs. On the other hand, his discussion of telling himself a story about "light and dark" at the very end did strike me as inconsistent (certainly if it meant "good and evil"), and undercut the force of his views as articulated up until then. I'd have rather it had ended with his expression of grief at not having died.
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Post by Lord Lucan on Oct 6, 2014 22:55:04 GMT -5
Interesting. I think Pizzolato is drawing a false dichotomy here. The terms are vague, but caring deeply about other people, having an innate moral outlook, being sensitive, etc., isn't incompatible with also holding the view (which, biologically, a psychologically normal person can only do at some level of abstraction) that there isn't any external order that renders those dispositions ultimately meaningful. That's as fallacious as thinking you've refuted someone who says we have no free will because the person making the claims nonetheless feels and acts as though they do have it. Inherent in thinking free will (and therefore morality) is a fiction is the belief that no-one can entirely escape the illusion of it. I'm actually disappointed to read that Pizzolato seems not to appreciate that, because Cohle's monologues were compelling and seemed to evince more insight than Pizzolato himself does in that quote. It sounds like Harrelson's character was espousing Pizzolato's view here in the tent revival scene, when he appears to accuse Cohle of hypocrisy for thinking life is inherently meaningless but being so troubled by the question itself, but Cohle addresses that himself earlier when he says that he thinks death is preferable to life but is constrained by his programming. If Pizzolato was anxious to demonstrate that Cohle was not a mere nihilist (again, I think that's possibly a confusion on his part), that might explain the incongruous final dialogue about light beating out the darkness and so on, which I thought was the very kind of thing Cohle saw through everywhere else, including in the preceding moments when he felt he'd awoken back into the prison of life.
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Post by Dr. Dastardly on Oct 20, 2014 10:27:23 GMT -5
I came up in here to make sure everyone knew about the books and stuff, but I sortof suspected that Post-Lupin would have taken care of it already - it seems so thoroughly up your alley. I even brought your tulpa thing into my Goodreads review. Thanks for educating me about some of that stuff, homie. And if anyone has any other examples of stories that kill people in real life - I came up with Videodrome, The Ring and Infinite Jest - I'd like to hear them, just out of curiosity. I'm sortof...I wasn't fully engaged in this show until like halfway through, so I may have missed a bunch of stuff. We didn't unveil a Yellow King in the end, did we? Unflying Spaghetti Monster isn't supposed to be him? And why even bring up the Yellow King if you're not talking about stories crossing over into reality, which they don't really even do in the show, do they? Is it possible that while the cast and scene are about to change, the Yellow King isn't out of it? Everyone, explain everything to me.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2014 16:27:46 GMT -5
I came up in here to make sure everyone knew about the books and stuff, but I sortof suspected that Post-Lupin would have taken care of it already - it seems so thoroughly up your alley. I even brought your tulpa thing into my Goodreads review. Thanks for educating me about some of that stuff, homie. And if anyone has any other examples of stories that kill people in real life - I came up with Videodrome, The Ring and Infinite Jest - I'd like to hear them, just out of curiosity. I'm sortof...I wasn't fully engaged in this show until like halfway through, so I may have missed a bunch of stuff. We didn't unveil a Yellow King in the end, did we? Unflying Spaghetti Monster isn't supposed to be him? And why even bring up the Yellow King if you're not talking about stories crossing over into reality, which they don't really even do in the show, do they? Is it possible that while the cast and scene are about to change, the Yellow King isn't out of it? Everyone, explain everything to me. The yellow king wasn't anyone. The yellow king at most was basically a thing these people worshipped. Spaghetti monster wasn't the yellow king, spaghetti monster was the guy who was doing the killings, and he was doing the killings for the yellow king. It was kind of a whole cult worship thing that believed they had to sacrifice these women and kids for the yellow king, because Carcosa and what not.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 21, 2015 0:29:37 GMT -5
sorry if this was already posted
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Post by ganews on Apr 21, 2015 7:12:53 GMT -5
I am pretty unexcited for the new season based on the commercial/trailer HBO has been running. Just a lot of people standing around looking serious.
Lifemate, who didn't watch the first season, said the same of that one every time she walked by while I was watching. So maybe it will be OK.
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 25, 2015 10:35:45 GMT -5
And season 2 has started! I liked this first episode, it was shot pretty beautifully, and I liked the atmosphere. Vince Vaughn seemed to be sleepwalking through the whole thing, but Kelly Reilly was great, reminded me of Jessica Chastain in A Most Violent Year, but a bit more elegant. Frowny Rachel McAdams showed a lot of promise, and I'm not a big fan of hers. I have a fondness for Colin Farrell (because of In Bruges and Ondine), but his character is so sleazy and not to mention so cliche it made me cringe, his story is the worst. The other guy just put his stomach cramps face on for the entire episode, I liked John Carter (what? it was fun to me, and it had Dominic West) so I don't think he's as bad an actor as others think, but he's kind of blank so far.
All in all, though, I found this episode intriguing. I'll keep watching.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 25, 2015 15:40:19 GMT -5
And season 2 has started! I liked this first episode, it was shot pretty beautifully, and I liked the atmosphere. Vince Vaughn seemed to be sleepwalking through the whole thing, but Kelly Reilly was great, reminded me of Jessica Chastain in A Most Violent Year, but a bit more elegant. Frowny Rachel McAdams showed a lot of promise, and I'm not a big fan of hers. I have a fondness for Colin Farrell (because of In Bruges and Ondine), but his character is so sleazy and not to mention so cliche it made me cringe, his story is the worst. The other guy just put his stomach cramps face on for the entire episode, I liked John Carter (what? it was fun to me, and it had Dominic West) so I don't think he's as bad an actor as others think, but he's kind of blank so far. All in all, though, I found this episode intriguing. I'll keep watching. What with everyone assuming that Taylor Kitsch is gay because of his erectile issues in that one scene, perhaps we should call him John Carter OF MARS COCK
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Post by pairesta on Jun 25, 2015 16:22:14 GMT -5
And season 2 has started! I liked this first episode, it was shot pretty beautifully, and I liked the atmosphere. Vince Vaughn seemed to be sleepwalking through the whole thing, but Kelly Reilly was great, reminded me of Jessica Chastain in A Most Violent Year, but a bit more elegant. Frowny Rachel McAdams showed a lot of promise, and I'm not a big fan of hers. I have a fondness for Colin Farrell (because of In Bruges and Ondine), but his character is so sleazy and not to mention so cliche it made me cringe, his story is the worst. The other guy just put his stomach cramps face on for the entire episode, I liked John Carter (what? it was fun to me, and it had Dominic West) so I don't think he's as bad an actor as others think, but he's kind of blank so far. All in all, though, I found this episode intriguing. I'll keep watching. While it's gonna be hard to top "Then start askin' the right fuckin' questions", I'm not quite as down as consensus seems to be based off one ep. I'm in.
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Post by ganews on Jun 25, 2015 22:20:39 GMT -5
What with everyone assuming that Taylor Kitsch is gay because of his erectile issues in that one scene, Pretty fucked-up, right? Oh he must be gay, can't get hard with a supermodel in his bed.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 26, 2015 4:37:12 GMT -5
What with everyone assuming that Taylor Kitsch is gay because of his erectile issues in that one scene, Pretty fucked-up, right? Oh he must be gay, can't get hard with a supermodel in his bed. Nobody even considering the possibility it's a matter of trauma OF A POST-COMBAT NATURE. (I'll put money on him having some specific sexual need - maybe men, maybe something... darker - which will be met in the criminal demi-monde shown in the trailer, and hinted at oh-so-subtly in the dead man's house.)
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Post by ganews on Jun 28, 2015 21:30:12 GMT -5
Pretty fucked-up, right? Oh he must be gay, can't get hard with a supermodel in his bed. Nobody even considering the possibility it's a matter of trauma OF A POST-COMBAT NATURE. (I'll put money on him having some specific sexual need - maybe men, maybe something... darker - which will be met in the criminal demi-monde shown in the trailer, and hinted at oh-so-subtly in the dead man's house.) OK, I concede to the internet. A needless offhand comment about how he almost punched some "fag"? I'll take that that as evidence that this show's writing isn't smart enough to make him something other than closeted.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 29, 2015 13:47:23 GMT -5
So, that happened. Leaving aside the cliffhanger, the bit that amused me most was the subtle sexuality on display: Paul's Norma Bates level creepy incesty mum, homophobic anecdotes and wistful eyeing up of neighbour rent boys; Bezzerides throwing shade at the shrinks geode for, presumably, being vaginal (Jeffrey) before going off to stare at some DP porn in a Significant Manner; Velcro Fly's Robot Dick Sucking. S1 was pulp, but at least it was sophisticated pulp. This... deserves one of those classic 40s covers. And seriously; who did the bint in the club blow to get a whiny song in every sodding episode?
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jun 29, 2015 18:47:56 GMT -5
So, that happened. Leaving aside the cliffhanger, the bit that amused me most was the subtle sexuality on display: Paul's Norma Bates level creepy incesty mum, homophobic anecdotes and wistful eyeing up of neighbour rent boys; Bezzerides throwing shade at the shrinks geode for, presumably, being vaginal (Jeffrey) before going off to stare at some DP porn in a Significant Manner; Velcro Fly's Robot Dick Sucking. S1 was pulp, but at least it was sophisticated pulp. This... deserves one of those classic 40s covers. And seriously; who did the bint in the club blow to get a whiny song in every sodding episode? I haven't seen an episode of TV so subtle since the last Ryan Murphy show! Also, the 'bint in the club' is AWESOME! She always has just the right sullen tune to set the mood. Because she loves gloom just like a miner loves gold, or whatever she was babbling about. And I now I really want to read No Angels For Me. I take it isn't the lost sequel to Where Angels Fear to Tread?
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jun 29, 2015 23:59:01 GMT -5
Nobody even considering the possibility it's a matter of trauma OF A POST-COMBAT NATURE. (I'll put money on him having some specific sexual need - maybe men, maybe something... darker - which will be met in the criminal demi-monde shown in the trailer, and hinted at oh-so-subtly in the dead man's house.) OK, I concede to the internet. A needless offhand comment about how he almost punched some "fag"? I'll take that that as evidence that this show's writing isn't smart enough to make him something other than closeted. The snarky response made that comment more than worth it to me. A reminder that the show needs someone to take the air out of its self-serious hamfistedness once in a while. That's what made the Rust and Marty dynamic so brilliant. Also, I loved the batshit crazy ending of this episode. A reminder of how energizing and haunting True Detective can be when it's firing on all cylinders- here's hoping it keeps getting better.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jun 30, 2015 9:33:15 GMT -5
OK, I concede to the internet. A needless offhand comment about how he almost punched some "fag"? I'll take that that as evidence that this show's writing isn't smart enough to make him something other than closeted. The snarky response made that comment more than worth it to me. A reminder that the show needs someone to take the air out of its self-serious hamfistedness once in a while. That's what made the Rust and Marty dynamic so brilliant. Also, I loved the batshit crazy ending of this episode. A reminder of how energizing and haunting True Detective can be when it's firing on all cylinders- here's hoping it keeps getting better. And of course it looks likely Paul is closeted, which sucks so hard (but not as hard as he will, ba-dum-TSH).
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 30, 2015 9:56:46 GMT -5
Nobody even considering the possibility it's a matter of trauma OF A POST-COMBAT NATURE. That was pretty much my read of the character the whole time. Given how heavily the show has leaned towards his time with Black water Mountain, I think it's pretty obvious he's troubled by whatever horrible stuff he did back when he was with them. Or in other words: It can be two things!
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Post by kitchin on Jul 2, 2015 11:21:01 GMT -5
True Detective takes the antihero trend in prestige TV to a new, disquieting low. The characters are flawed, written with mixed proportions of good, evil, regret, hope, and all that, but the locale itself is utterly bereft of optimism. No one in South Louisiana or Southern California is trying to make it better. It's all chemical plants, exploitation, spiritual breakage, artistic corruption, political corruption, job corruption. The place itself is the antihero. So far season one has proved superior to season two, but in one way it had an advantage. People are ready to accept all kinds of nonsense about South Louisiana that would get laughed out of the box for most other regions of the country. Sure, L.A. has its tropes, but they're more diffuse. So we get some L.A. Confidential, some Chinatown, some Mulholland Drive, some The Player, but none of it can skate by in the unified sweep of such a fundamental misunderstanding as season one made for Acadiana.
And that's to be expected since it replays some fraught tension inside real South Louisiana. Bitterness over outsiders' misunderstandings is in the top rack of local drama, along with politics, music, food, race, water, oil, and the whole Evangeline expulsion. But it's not a broken place, it's place where things are constantly breaking. Half the people are trying to make it better, knowing it's a long bet, in a cycle that hovers over depression. The other half are thinking it already is, something, but not somewhere else. It's the most royalist place in America (fix is in), and the most Jacobin (eat the rich). The reforms of the 1930s were twisted beyond recognition into exploited institutions. But they're always working on something new. The half that are exhausted overlap with the the half that are realistic. It's flat circle.
Nobody from Texas would be able to come in and treat them the way Cohle does, but from within there are people exactly like him, with the same contempt for the system and ways around it. It all comes from solidarity, and lone wolfs cannot do much.
Los Angeles too will get the hopeless treatment. But we're so familiar with SoCal from previous portrayals (made by people who live there, move there, etc.), that season two has a harder hill to climb. We know L.A. is full of wackos with hearts, or illusions, of gold. But it's not that kind of show.
There will be no Noah Cross, the character in Chinatown who looked like Jason Robarts and was played by the great director John Huston, like Erich von Stroheim in Sunset Blvd. (Instead we get the cartoon version in the mayor.) There will be no Naomi Watts in Mulholland Drive. (Instead we get the twitter version in various interchangeable underwear-ers.) There will be no Greta Scacchi in white. (Instead we get a paper thin guru in robes.) We don't even need to give up on these characters. Look at where they live.
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Post by ganews on Jul 3, 2015 22:51:52 GMT -5
Top marks to MarkHenryHopper, who identified mask as a reference to Judex in a reply to me within some hours of the episode.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 6, 2015 10:58:30 GMT -5
Ah, so Vince Vaughan's basically playing a shit Bob Hoskins in The Long Good Friday. Nar there's bin an eruption! Of course, Kelly Reilly is having a harder uphill journey than Helen Mirren did.
And, if they don't play Billy Bragg's 'Tender Comrade' over a flashback of Paul snuggling his bro in the sandbox, I'll be surprised.
Little bit of Twin Peaks going on there, with the near-death thing.
Todd muttered on Vox about him theorising that there's a direct S1/2 tie-in with the ultimate sex/death conspiracy, which was something like getting paid for old rope honestly.
EDIT; Also, finding the constant consideration of blowjobs as massively transgressive just hilarious.
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