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Post by ThisIsNotAnInternetMeme on Aug 7, 2014 22:47:56 GMT -5
FUCK NUDISQUS! And not in a good way, either.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2014 0:32:49 GMT -5
Um, so, serious question, kind of.
What would it take to develop a system to compete with Disqus.
Because I am all over the marketing for that.
"Are your loyal readers Disqusted with your comment system?"
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Post by pairesta on Aug 8, 2014 12:56:14 GMT -5
If you set it to newest on any disqus site it does it for all sites you visit.
You probably knew that, but just in case.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 8, 2014 12:57:21 GMT -5
Um, so, serious question, kind of. What would it take to develop a system to compete with Disqus. Because I am all over the marketing for that. "Are your loyal readers Disqusted with your comment system?" We've got a tagline for marketing, an idea, let's VC this thing!
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Aug 11, 2014 7:51:00 GMT -5
idiotkingIn all seriousness, probably just a couple of interested/competent programmer friends and plus start-up capital. From what I understand Disqus mainly charges for add-on packages. Iād guess insuring the stability of the entire commenting apparatus is the big drawāif disqus takes over your comments is that you, the website operator, doesnāt have to worry about them anymore at all. Iām sure making a commenting system as stable as disqus is harder than weād think, but thatās not such a huge issue at the beginning. Disqus also follows you around for analytics purposes but Iām not sure how thatās monetized (or even if). I donāt really know enough about commenting platforms I think thereās a market for a prettier/more customizable commenting system, especially one that facilitates longer discussions. Right now, though, the thing that would make it attractive to investors would be the amount of involvement from commenters and the amount of data that could be extracted for that.
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Post by Electric Dragon on Aug 13, 2014 5:01:56 GMT -5
As I've said before, commenting systems are pretty common. Just about any blog/CMS software comes with one, probably with several others available as plugins, any reasonably good web programmer could roll their own. (Heck, I probably could, if I knew anything about web design). There are other big cloud-based ones, like LiveFyre or IntenseDebate.
However. Capacity, stability/availability, scalability and security are Not Easy. The AV Club publishes dozens of articles a day, some articles attract hundreds of comments within minutes, others have reached hundreds of thousands. You don't want that one Community article to take half an hour to load, you don't want a controversial Newswire to crash the whole CMS because hundreds of people are all commenting at once. You don't want your naive programmer to leave a flaw that allows someone to hack the security and expose everyone's login details.
Spam is a huge problem. I suspect that while Disqus is a long way from being perfect it actually does a pretty good job of preventing most spam.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 13, 2014 5:03:47 GMT -5
Except for cross-site spam in the form of randos (but not our rando) coming over from other sites and essentially spamming.
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Post by sarapen on Aug 13, 2014 7:40:13 GMT -5
Except for cross-site spam in the form of randos (but not our rando) coming over from other sites and essentially spamming. Essentially, that's a feature, not a bug, since the whole point of Disqus is to allow easy commenting on multiple website. Short of requiring application essays for registering a new account there's not much to be done on the technical side. However, speech communities practise their own methods of controlling expression. If you've ever read the AVC's old commenting policy you can infer that a lot of behind the scenes work was being done to police the comments. But once the ball got rolling and a speech community of over-educated hipsters was created, the commenters basically began policing themselves in implicit and explicit ways. Implicitly this was done by the relative level of erudition and wit displayed by the commenters, which demonstrated the type of speech expected for participation - basically, when you enter a new speech community you structure your speech according to how others speak, unless you're a clueless or egocentric ass, and many visitors to the AVC were probably turned off at not being able to reference Truffaut and Samurai Jack in the same sentence (and let's not forget that only a minority of people comment in the first place). Explicitly the comments were policed by the way commenters would pile on whenever a newbie would say something egregiously out of line by pulling out the snark and the bizarre gimmick accounts. So that's what you can do to keep the AVC weird, which is basically keep doing what you were already doing: be erudite, be witty, be verbose, be snarky, and be bizarre.
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Post by ganews on Aug 20, 2014 15:26:12 GMT -5
I was wondering what the hell people were talking about being able to see upvotes in notifications the past couple weeks. That just started for me this very hour at work, and I have not yet seen it at home.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 20, 2014 15:37:05 GMT -5
Upvote notifications? Shit, that's going to get old so fast.
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Post by ganews on Aug 20, 2014 15:41:01 GMT -5
Only if you get upvotes.
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Post by Floyd Diabolical Barber on Aug 21, 2014 0:13:28 GMT -5
I am suddenly getting upvote notifications, and some are for comments I posted years ago. Many I don't remember the comment I made, even with the brief quite, and clicking on it takes me to the article, but not my comment. What the hell good is that?
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Post by Nudeviking on Aug 21, 2014 7:03:06 GMT -5
I am suddenly getting upvote notifications, and some are for comments I posted years ago. Many I don't remember the comment I made, even with the brief quite, and clicking on it takes me to the article, but not my comment. What the hell good is that? I got this too, "Guest liked your comment on (Game of Thrones article from 2 years ago)." Where I say to myself, "What did I even write?" Click a link and get some kind of AV Club, "I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO FIND!!! THAT ISN'T A THING THAT'S HERE!!!" for the articles in question.
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Post by Electric Dragon on Aug 21, 2014 10:57:02 GMT -5
I got that too. What's happened is the redesign has caused the web addresses of all the old articles to change. However, it looks like Disqus stored the old url for that thread and it didn't get updated by the redesign, so you get a notification for the old URL.
If you really want to see the comment, you have to do a bit of work - copy the comment anchor (that's the "#comment-4958839839"), find the original article via search or the TV Club Find Shows widget, then paste that anchor back on the end of the new URL.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 21, 2014 11:07:34 GMT -5
So it's a double fucked both ways? Great, guess nobody will fix that either.
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Post by Carade on Aug 21, 2014 11:12:34 GMT -5
So how do we turn off the upvote notifications? They're pointless and I don't like them.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 21, 2014 11:26:50 GMT -5
So how do we turn off the upvote notifications? They're pointless and I don't like them. Agreed. They're fine here where they aren't particularly intrusive and there aren't hundreds of upvotes, but I can't even imagine having a well-liked comment over at The Old Country and getting a zillion notifications for that.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 21, 2014 11:33:00 GMT -5
I said that but ganews didn't agree, does he know how many upvotes the populars get? This has "major problem" written all over it but I reckon that unless you have a Disqus account or merged your site account with a Disqus account, you're not going to be able to turn them off. Yknow, short of them noticing the idea is stupid on larger communities with a thing for Simpsons quotes.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Aug 21, 2014 11:42:22 GMT -5
So how do we turn off the upvote notifications? They're pointless and I don't like them. Yeah these are for the birds. I get too many upvotes to be getting notified all the time. </humblebrag> </actuallynotthathumblebrag> </thiswholepostwasawaytobrag>
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Post by pairesta on Aug 21, 2014 12:15:02 GMT -5
So . . . do you get downvote notifications too?
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Post by ganews on Aug 21, 2014 12:27:11 GMT -5
So on my current iteration you can switch it so that your only notifications are for reply comments. Also it's odd how it's grouping the upvote notifications. Like I'll get "X and # more upvoted your comment", followed immediately by a notification that some number of other people upvoted the very same comment. I think maybe it has to do with whether you checked your notifications in between.
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Post by pairesta on Aug 21, 2014 14:37:04 GMT -5
So on my current iteration you can switch it so that your only notifications are for reply comments. Also it's odd how it's grouping the upvote notifications. Like I'll get "X and # more upvoted your comment", followed immediately by a notification that some number of other people upvoted the very same comment. I think maybe it has to do with whether you checked your notifications in between. Is your account a Disqus or AVClub only account? I have an AVC only account and can't switch them off, although I do see an option to.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 21, 2014 14:43:54 GMT -5
Solution is to make a Disqus account then merge them, if it's not an idiot and you're logged in at AVC it should recognise it and you can merge them and turn off the tyranny of upvote (but not downvotes because they count for nothing) notifications.
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Post by ganews on Aug 21, 2014 19:22:49 GMT -5
I only ever made an AV Club account, but it somehow morphed itself into a Disqus account because I can see it on other websites.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 22, 2014 11:23:06 GMT -5
Oh FUCK ME.
Tried to log out & log back in due to usual wank: get sent to a page blank except for 'Not found - origin error'. Clicking on the user icon on main page just makes said page paler, no log-in pop-up at all.
So: can't even fucking log in there now. Let's see how long that takes to fix...
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 22, 2014 11:34:30 GMT -5
Just logged in.
OUR LONG INTERNATIONAL NIGHTMARE IS OVER
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 22, 2014 15:16:52 GMT -5
So now in order to view a response, you have to be taken to the Disqus site? Ugh.
Is there a way to turn off the upvote notifications and just get the responses?
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Aug 31, 2014 15:43:52 GMT -5
Disqus is now not notifying me of responses - peculiarly, the ones I've found have all been responses in the two current Games newswires that have the now rote spam of controversial statements. It's even weirder as I still get upvote notifications from the same newswires - I have no idea what's up with Disqus' priorities now but it's irksome.
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Post by Hippo on Aug 31, 2014 16:06:16 GMT -5
Wow, it's like they cant get anything right! Surprised more sites aren't dropping them.
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Post by ganews on Sept 8, 2014 11:32:16 GMT -5
Yeah, the little sidebar Disqus window sucks too.
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