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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Jul 2, 2017 1:54:22 GMT -5
I'm bummed that Alasdair is leaving AVC. I'm bummed about it too, but my hope/plan is to write pretty much the exact same reviews for Doctor Who and Arrow on Inverse that I was doing at AV Club, plus maybe another show or two. (I have one specifically in mind that I'm very excited to write about and my editor was down with, but I need to actually talk to the site's entertainment people first.)
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Post by π cahusserole π on Jul 2, 2017 13:14:55 GMT -5
I'm bummed that Alasdair is leaving AVC. I'm bummed about it too, but my hope/plan is to write pretty much the exact same reviews for Doctor Who and Arrow on Inverse that I was doing at AV Club, plus maybe another show or two. (I have one specifically in mind that I'm very excited to write about and my editor was down with, but I need to actually talk to the site's entertainment people first.) Do you know who your replacement is? Is Christopher Bahn coming back? Is Allison Shoemaker taking over? (Can you demand that whoever is next have a full working knowledge of Big Finish?) Oh dang, Arrow too. I'm sad that Inverse doesn't appear to have comments (also I'm not terribly keen on the layout, but it's rare I like any place these days, apart from my lawnβwhich those kids should really get off of, dammit). Your willingness to engage with the commentariat was one of the things that made reading through them fun. Then again, with the Kinjocolypse coming, those days are numbered anyway.
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Jul 6, 2017 13:36:54 GMT -5
I'm bummed about it too, but my hope/plan is to write pretty much the exact same reviews for Doctor Who and Arrow on Inverse that I was doing at AV Club, plus maybe another show or two. (I have one specifically in mind that I'm very excited to write about and my editor was down with, but I need to actually talk to the site's entertainment people first.) Do you know who your replacement is? Is Christopher Bahn coming back? Is Allison Shoemaker taking over? (Can you demand that whoever is next have a full working knowledge of Big Finish?) Oh dang, Arrow too. I'm sad that Inverse doesn't appear to have comments (also I'm not terribly keen on the layout, but it's rare I like any place these days, apart from my lawnβwhich those kids should really get off of, dammit). Your willingness to engage with the commentariat was one of the things that made reading through them fun. Then again, with the Kinjocolypse coming, those days are numbered anyway. I don't imagine a replacement will be picked until December. I'm not sure any other AVCers have the Big Finish knowledge that I do, but we'll just have to cross our fingers! The Kinja-fication of AV Club comments is going to be so weird. I can't really imagine how utterly it's going to transform things. For what it's worth, I'll try to have a bit of a dedicated Twitter presence after episodes air, or something like that.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Jul 6, 2017 14:20:37 GMT -5
The Kinja-fication of AV Club comments is going to be so weird. I can't really imagine how utterly it's going to transform things. For what it's worth, I'll try to have a bit of a dedicated Twitter presence after episodes air, or something like that. Do you have any sense of when that's going to be? I mean, just looking at the AV Club and looking at the Kinja websites, I can't quite figure out how they're going to do the layout unless they jettison half the content. Or is that how it's going to work?
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Post by Alasdair Wilkins on Jul 9, 2017 17:39:26 GMT -5
The Kinja-fication of AV Club comments is going to be so weird. I can't really imagine how utterly it's going to transform things. For what it's worth, I'll try to have a bit of a dedicated Twitter presence after episodes air, or something like that. Do you have any sense of when that's going to be? I mean, just looking at the AV Club and looking at the Kinja websites, I can't quite figure out how they're going to do the layout unless they jettison half the content. Or is that how it's going to work? Sorry, I'm both a freelancer and on my way out the door, so I'm completely out of the loop, I'm afraid.
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Post by Incense on Jul 16, 2017 10:40:40 GMT -5
AWESOME! I actually love the person they've announced to play 13! I am very very happy with this news.
I'd be more specific but I understand a lot of people aren't happy they do these announcements so I wanted to avoid spoilers.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on Jul 16, 2017 14:01:54 GMT -5
Still not a ginger. Seems like a pretty good choice though.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 9, 2017 18:50:24 GMT -5
OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD OH MY GOD LOOK AT WHAT'S HAPPENING: AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 7, 2018 23:56:16 GMT -5
And...it's back! Pretty typical post-regeneration story, which I never find that compelling. Lots of table-setting, kind of overstuffed ( the entirely predictable death lost a lot of emotional resonance, given that she was introduced all of 40 minutes beforehand, and I'm not entirely sure "Nan" was even given a name ) and a lot of waiting around for the Doctor to remember she's the Doctor. And still, we'll have to wait another couple of episodes (or series) for Thirteen's actual personality to gel, given precedent. So far we know she...likes building stuff? Anyway, a solidly competent Who episode, with the attendant creaky logic--why does this advanced alien race from galaxies away hunt humans, of all species? how exactly did the tooth-guy upload those bombs from the tentacle thing, again?--that nonetheless makes sense enough at the time. Tooth-guy looked cool until he took his mask off. Then he looked, well, like a guy with teeth glued to his face. Whittaker is charming and clearly enjoying herself, though, again, it's too early to tell what her take on the character is going to be. And also the companions were there, with personalities that so far boil down to "old," "dyspraxic," and "police woman." The new music is fine, and I dig the new theme, but otherwise it's mostly just ambient background tones. At least I could finally hear the actors over it--wonder if they picked up a new sound editor too? The more "realistic" look of the show is a departure from the sci-fi-gothic feel of the Moffatt era, which is a shame, as now it looks like pretty much every other gritty contemporary drama. Initial thoughts concluded.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 8, 2018 5:14:24 GMT -5
Yeah, regeneration stories are almost never brilliant, and sometimes they're The Twin Dilemma....
Mostly I was impressed. There's clearly some effort made to focus on character over plot, which is fine. The plot itself is... eh, but the characters mostly come through well, and they're all good actors, which helps. They're still developing and it feels like they all have places to develop into, which is good. Mostly, I think it's fairly impressive how uninterested the episode is in pandering to the usual box-ticking - no music till the closing titles, no TARDIS reveal, the costume only shown in the last minute or two... I greatly appreciate that. It feels very different to the tail end of the Moffat era, but that's a good thing - it is if nothing else distinctive from what's come before. Jodie Whittaker is simply perfect for the role, though this story gives away fairly little in terms of where the series is going to go. But that's fine - it's not like Deep Breath gave much of an indication of where Capaldi's era was going to go. We'll just need to wait and see what happens, and I'm very much looking forward to it.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on Oct 8, 2018 10:20:06 GMT -5
The new music is fine, and I dig the new theme, but otherwise it's mostly just ambient background tones. At least I could finally hear the actors over it--wonder if they picked up a new sound editor too? I didn't really notice the music, which is good, since Murray Gold was overbearing pretty much 100% of the time, and it's nice to be able to hear the dialogue. Besides, ambient background tones were good enough for the first 30-odd years of the show. I don't know if it will extend to the beginning credits, but the end credits sequence sure looked a lot like the early Pertwee years to me. Anyone who was angry/unsure about Jodie Whittaker being the Doctor is an idiot. She IS the Doctor.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 16, 2018 0:33:28 GMT -5
Another episode that's...fine. Suffers from that uniquely Whovian problem of being kind of overstuffed with ideas--an epic, galaxy-spanning rally race! a death trap planet that's loaded with weapons of unspeakable horror! some...uh, evil psychic scarves!--but nonetheless light on things that actually happen. We get to know a couple of racers, almost to the point of caring about them, before they, and their plot line abruptly disappear. We learn once again Ryan really hates Graham, but we get zero payback on that particular character dyanimc, at least in this episode. And we learn that the mysterious empty planet was some sort of tasting zone for experimental WMD developed by enslaved scientists...which is pretty much exactly what you'd expect it to be if you'd watched Who (or sci-fi in general) before, but the Doctor acts like it's some sort of profound revelation. And, God help us, it seems to set up the Tooth-face guys as a season-arc threat. Seeing as one Tooth-face guy barely supported one episode, I'm not to hopeful in that regard. All in all, not too impressed. Again, it's not bad, just thoroughly middling. I mean, evil scarves? That's like some zero-budget Pertwee-era shit.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 16, 2018 5:30:15 GMT -5
I mean, you're not wrong about it being a zero-budget idea (that they've spent a significant amount of money on), but on the other hand it's in line with Doctor Who's tendency to make mundane objects the source of fear. Statues being the most conspicuous example in the new show, but anything from mannequins (Rose) to hiding under the duvet (Listen) can be made to be scary, and killer scarves is something that it's easy to imagine being re-enacted in playgrounds the next day.
I was surprised about the Stenza being mentioned again so soon - hopefully they've be developed into a more compelling enemy than Tim Shaw, who was fine for a single episode that needed some kind of threat but hardly suggested a lot of potential. Maybe he'll be an outlier and as we find out more about the Stenza we'll find out why we should care, bit by bit. Actually, finding out about an enemy this way, rather than the usual Bad Wolf/Torchwood/Mr Saxon breadcrumbs might have potential to be an interesting spin on the season arc, letting their threat develop as the primary theme of the season rather than some contrived build to "the big revelation".
This was, indeed, an episode that was no better than "fine" but the TARDIS reveal at the end (and Whittaker's reaction to it, which was a thing of beauty) made the whole episode worthwhile.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on Oct 16, 2018 10:05:38 GMT -5
The Stenza and The Timeless Child. TWO season arc threads? Booooo.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 16, 2018 10:29:19 GMT -5
The Stenza and The Timeless Child. TWO season arc threads? Booooo. I don't know what makes you think they're two separate arc threads. I'm assuming they're parts of the same story.
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Post by Buon Funerale Amigos on Oct 16, 2018 12:30:40 GMT -5
Maybe because I'd rather have zero season arcs and I'm a pessimist.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 16, 2018 13:46:12 GMT -5
So who is The Timeless Child? It has to be Susan/Romana/THE RANI!!!
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 16, 2018 15:12:26 GMT -5
So who is The Timeless Child? It has to be Susan/Romana/THE RANI!!! It turns out that all three are the Valeyard.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 16, 2018 16:19:23 GMT -5
So who is The Timeless Child? It has to be Susan/Romana/THE RANI!!! It turns out that all three are the Valeyard. I am weirdly obsessed with Trial Of A Time Lord, so you don't want to set off ideas in my head...
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 16, 2018 20:19:41 GMT -5
I mean, you're not wrong about it being a zero-budget idea (that they've spent a significant amount of money on), but on the other hand it's in line with Doctor Who's tendency to make mundane objects the source of fear. Statues being the most conspicuous example in the new show, but anything from mannequins (Rose) to hiding under the duvet (Listen) can be made to be scary, and killer scarves is something that it's easy to imagine being re-enacted in playgrounds the next day. And on the other end of the spectrum you get sentient eye gunk... I'm okay with killer scarves in theory, it's just kind of odd that they were one threat among many, and introduced after the scary killer robots. Plus the idea that they were developed by the same people who designed planet-ending super-weapons is just a little silly. Were they like the intern's side-project or something?
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 20, 2018 17:19:18 GMT -5
Hm. I dunno. Jodie Whitaker and the new companions are both fun. But for me the real appeal of Doctor Who is the wacky bits, and this season has been pretty not-wacky.
I also was immensely frustrated by the part where the Doctor chastised Ryan for trying to attack the robots with a magic gun... before hitting them all with a magic grenade. And then blowing all the scarf monsters up with a Michael Bay-grade explosion. Eugh.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 20, 2018 17:37:47 GMT -5
Hm. I dunno. Jodie Whitaker and the new companions are both fun. But for me the real appeal of Doctor Who is the wacky bits, and this season has been pretty not-wacky. I also was immensely frustrated by the part where the Doctor chastised Ryan for trying to attack the robots with a magic gun... before hitting them all with a magic grenade. And then blowing all the scarf monsters up with a Michael Bay-grade explosion. Eugh. Kind of like how she chastised that one guy for throwing the Senza off the crane, when her plan was to send him back to his home planet, where he would almost certainly be murdered.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 21, 2018 15:20:56 GMT -5
Right.
On the other hand, it was very flattering of the BBC to name episode three after me.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 21, 2018 19:15:15 GMT -5
The accents are... not good, even by Doctor Who standards.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 22, 2018 3:54:34 GMT -5
"What if Quantum Leap but a Time Lord?"
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Post by liebkartoffel on Oct 26, 2018 17:42:54 GMT -5
Man I'm just not feeling this new version yet. I'm trying to match its wavelength, but so far it's just been so...low-energy, I guess? I'm sure it's a refreshing contrast with the more hyperactive Moffat era for some, but I've just been kind of bored. Or, in the case of this past episode, rolling my eyes at the bad accents and the preachy tone. The part where the Doctor declares that "Rosa Parks changed the universe!" only to subsequently show them an arbitrary asteroid arbitrarily named after Rosa Parks was pretty unintentionally hilarious, though. By that logic every random schmuck who paid to have a star named after themselves have had an exponentially greater impact on the universe than Rosa Parks.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 29, 2018 6:05:08 GMT -5
I was worried going into this one - Doctor Who does not have a great reputation when it comes to spiders, Giant or otherwise.... But I'm going to go ahead and say that Arachnids In The UK, despite that really terrible title, might be the... well, i don't want to say best episode of the season thus far, but certainly the most consistent. The Doctor gets lots of Doctor-y things to do, its funny in places and scary in places and thoughtful in places and that's all great. The characters feel like characters, not writerly conceits. Yaz finally get some much-needed flesh on the bones of her character, there's a couple of great guest spots and the whole thing makes Doctor Who sense (or whatever the closest thing to sense is that Doctor Who can manage). Graham gets the chance to have some proper closure over Grace, there's at least the tentative start of the closing of the distance between him and Ryan and this all just feels so much less abstract than the first three episodes. Even the final scene where they all agree to carry on travelling with the Doctor is great, when it could have been unbearably cheesy, though I think that may be down to the strengths of the performances. But still - after a few episodes which were hard to get worked up about, this feels like things might be getting on track. This is a very traditional Doctor Who story and I'm not normally one to call for traditionalism, but here there's a sense that of a proper foundation being built. And for those (including me) that have suggested the first few episodes have been found wanting it's worth pointing out that by this point in Eccleston's run we've had two episodes of farting aliens, in Tennant's we've had those stupid nun-cats curing all diseases with Kool-Aid (and the idiocy of Tooth And Claw), and Smith had... "Victory Of The Daleks". Only Capaldi didn't completely crap out on his first few episodes, and he still had "Into The Dalek" and "Robot Of Sherwood". So the fact that there's been a couple of duds in there shouldn't (yet) be taken as indicative of anything.
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 29, 2018 8:12:17 GMT -5
Spiders for me are what puppies are for "normal" people. So, uh, pass.
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Post by Prole Hole on Oct 29, 2018 9:37:39 GMT -5
Spiders for me are what puppies are for "normal" people. So, uh, pass. A delicious midnight snack?
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Post by Rainbow Rosa on Oct 29, 2018 18:00:46 GMT -5
Spiders for me are what puppies are for "normal" people. So, uh, pass. A delicious midnight snack? It's so, so obvious that I meant "adorable small children whom I cannot bear to see maimed in any way" that I'm not even going to acknowledge your gag
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