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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Dec 13, 2014 13:07:02 GMT -5
Apparently if Spiderman joins the MCU they want to do a sort of reboot thing and recast Spiderman. If so, I think it's high time we have an Asian Peter Parker, also I am a reasonably good actor and I have a lot of free time. I'm hoping Donald Glover finally gets to be Miles Morales personally. |
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Post by Bizarre Gardening Accident on Dec 13, 2014 13:17:52 GMT -5
He's a couple of years removed from being that pop-culture phenomenon, so I reckon his chances are less than they were. Or not. Who knows?
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Dec 29, 2014 14:29:19 GMT -5
Hey look! The first banner for Ant-Man! Gives us a great look at not only the titular heroes costume, but also a first peek at the movies antagonist, Yellowjacket!  |
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Jan 6, 2015 22:13:26 GMT -5
Hey look! An Ant-Man trailer debuted on Agent Carter tonight!
Very nice trailer actually. Not on the level of that first Guardians teaser, but I was actually impressed at how they made the film already stand out by emphasizing Scott Lang's (Paul Rudd) normalcy. He's got no Godly powers, no super serum and no billion dollars he can lean back on; he's a normal guy and a normal dad, and I'm glad they pushed that part of his personality.
And maaaaan do those scenes of him in shrunk form look awesome. Plus, Michael Pena and Evangeline Lilly got to be in there briefly!
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Post by Bizarre Gardening Accident on Jan 7, 2015 9:43:09 GMT -5
FWIW, the David Hasselhoff "Nick Fury" movie is surprisingly campy fun.
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Post by disqusf3dme on Jan 7, 2015 16:15:31 GMT -5
Ant-Man trailer is... interesting. AV Club made a good point about how the trailer seemed overly serious for a film written by Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish. Let's hope they didn't botch the script or anything. There were a couple of moments in the trailer that seemed like they were meant to be comedic, but they had really serious music over top, and not in any sort of humorous way either, which was really odd.
I don't know much about Ant-Man, but much like how Winter Soldier was "conspiracy thriller + superhero", this seems like it'll be "heist film + super hero", which seems like it could be fun. So the concept sounds good, trailer not so much. We'll see what happens. The thing I'm most worried about is the director. His previous films are Bring It On, Down with Love, The Break Up, and Yes Man. Not very promising, at all.
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Post by rimjobflashmob on Jan 7, 2015 16:23:09 GMT -5
I know nothing about Ant-Man but stubbly Paul Rudd? I'll take three.
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Ant-Man trailer is... interesting. AV Club made a good point about how the trailer seemed overly serious for a film written by Edgar Wright and Joe Cornish. Let's hope they didn't botch the script or anything. There were a couple of moments in the trailer that seemed like they were meant to be comedic, but they had really serious music over top, and not in any sort of humorous way either, which was really odd. I don't know much about Ant-Man, but much like how Winter Soldier was "conspiracy thriller + superhero", this seems like it'll be "heist film + super hero", which seems like it could be fun. So the concept sounds good, trailer not so much. We'll see what happens. The thing I'm most worried about is the director. His previous films are Bring It On, Down with Love, The Break Up, and Yes Man. Not very promising, at all. Yeah, I was kinda shocked at just how not fun the trailer was. Maybe the last line would have come off better if the serious music hadn't been playing in the background, just a big tonal dissonance right there. I think this is the first trailer for an MCU film that was just outright bad, while the age of ultron trailer was sadly lots of actions nothing much, Ultron was pretty damn freaky in that and it was effective. Here it just feels like the standard "the hero's journey" stuff. Even if Wright isn't directing, the film should still be fun for being a comedy heist alone, but man was that teaser underwhelming, especially when considering how good both the GOTG trailers were. One thing they did get right though? The poster.  I don't even care for the character of Ant-Man that much or the MCU as a whole, but I would love to have this poster hanging on my wall. |
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Post by flapjackriley on Jan 7, 2015 21:07:00 GMT -5
I know nothing about Ant-Man but stubbly Paul Rudd? I'll take three. Stubbly Paul Rudd who is ripped as fuck? Seven now, twenty-three later. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 15, 2015 18:19:30 GMT -5
So given these movies are basically inescapable in online nerd circles and I actually really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy I went back and watched the ones I haven't (I had already seen and was not wowed by Iron Man.)
Incredible Hulk: Not just inferior to the Ang Lee film, but it feels like barely a film at all. Story has been stripped bare to the most mechanical of essentials, characters exist as even less defined than mere props. It feels like the cinematic equivalent of a filler episode of television, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, the only meaningful plot movement from the Ang Lee film (which interestingly it is a semi-sequel to) happens with the Iron Man scene, and even that gets retconned later. The worst superhero movie I've seen, though I have not seen many. Batman and Robin's sins are innumerable, but it is not as lifeless and formless and as by the numbers as this film.
Iron Man 2: Well I liked it better than Hulk. Iron Man acts like asshole for some reason, primarily so that toys can fight. Later he saves the day with the toys by beating up the other toys. It coasts on the charm and banter of its characters. Like Sam Rockwell.
Thor: This is the Loki everyone loves? Really? No, this guy? The petulant jealous brother whose convoluted plan for acceptance falls apart if you think about it? Well, that's definitely a movie. I feel like there's something kind of oppressive visually about the all-gold styling of Asgard; something about it doesn't seem to work the way it did for say the Emperor's Palace in Dune. Otherwise though the space fantasy designs of this film are striking and rather nice - particularly anything regarding the Jotun; whose command of ice is a particularly nice visual. Characters fight a bit like fantasy classes too - Loki in particular feels like he as a thief-esque playset.
Captain America: The best of these movies by far, though it's not had a lot of competition and they kind of run into each other. In Hydra and Red Skull the movies finally have an antagonist that is just fun to root against, and Captain America'sunderstated heroism is what makes him so likeable. As a kid I didn't really care for any Marvel heroes except Captain America, and I guess not too surprised that attitude translates to film. Most interesting thing about the film is trying to comment on the characters origins as an expression of pop propaganda while incorporating it into a straight origin story (I'm pretty sure he really did punch Hitler in like his first issue or something.)
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Post by Nudeviking on Jan 15, 2015 20:02:06 GMT -5
So given these movies are basically inescapable in online nerd circles and I actually really enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy I went back and watched the ones I haven't (I had already seen and was not wowed by Iron Man.) Incredible Hulk: Not just inferior to the Ang Lee film, but it feels like barely a film at all. Story has been stripped bare to the most mechanical of essentials, characters exist as even less defined than mere props. It feels like the cinematic equivalent of a filler episode of television, a lot of sound and fury signifying nothing, the only meaningful plot movement from the Ang Lee film (which interestingly it is a semi-sequel to) happens with the Iron Man scene, and even that gets retconned later. The worst superhero movie I've seen, though I have not seen many. Batman and Robin's sins are innumerable, but it is not as lifeless and formless and as by the numbers as this film. Iron Man 2: Well I liked it better than Hulk. Iron Man acts like asshole for some reason, primarily so that toys can fight. Later he saves the day with the toys by beating up the other toys. It coasts on the charm and banter of its characters. Like Sam Rockwell. Thor: This is the Loki everyone loves? Really? No, this guy? The petulant jealous brother whose convoluted plan for acceptance falls apart if you think about it? Well, that's definitely a movie. I feel like there's something kind of oppressive visually about the all-gold styling of Asgard; something about it doesn't seem to work the way it did for say the Emperor's Palace in Dune. Otherwise though the space fantasy designs of this film are striking and rather nice - particularly anything regarding the Jotun; whose command of ice is a particularly nice visual. Characters fight a bit like fantasy classes too - Loki in particular feels like he as a thief-esque playset. Captain America: The best of these movies by far, though it's not had a lot of competition and they kind of run into each other. In Hydra and Red Skull the movies finally have an antagonist that is just fun to root against, and Captain America'sunderstated heroism is what makes him so likeable. As a kid I didn't really care for any Marvel heroes except Captain America, and I guess not too surprised that attitude translates to film. Most interesting thing about the film is trying to comment on the characters origins as an expression of pop propaganda while incorporating it into a straight origin story (I'm pretty sure he really did punch Hitler in like his first issue or something.) I have some Marvel Masterworks book that has the first 5 or so issues of Captain America in it and he never actually punches Hitler out in any of them, though it is depicted on the cover of the first issue (via the unspoken rule that nothing that happens on the cover of the comic will actually appear in the pages within). He does however dress in drag and battle more Fifth Columnists than you shake a stick at. So I think the way they presented him punching out "Hitler" in the movie was a pretty decent way to explain a kind of iconic image that in the in-universe lore never actually occurs. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 15, 2015 20:12:36 GMT -5
Nudeviking Superdickery is my primary source of comic book knowledge and that is like 80% misleading covers, so point.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jan 17, 2015 15:00:55 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner: 'the Loki everyone loves' is better expressed as 'the Loki a lot of women get inexplicably wet gussets for'.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 17, 2015 15:10:04 GMT -5
Post-Lupin But besides his attractiveness Loki is often held up as the one 'good' villain the MCU has - the guy who is a cut above all those interchangeable war profiteers in the Iron Man movies or the distinguished character actors who disappear into heavy makeup and minimal characterisation that is true of the other Thor movie villains. Having now seen all the MCU movies, sure; Loki has more personality than most of the rest of the villains, but there's not a lot of competition there. Often a movie will just coast on having a good idea for a villain - the titular Winter Soldier of the second Cap Am movie is a neat idea but an underexplored one and a cipher largely by design. I feel like the weaknesses of the villains and their plots hurts the connectivity of the films; heroes tend to be reactive in superhero stories - responding to the next move of the villains, that is, and the Nolan Batman films work so well because we get invested in what plans the villains have and want to see Batman thwart them. Loki teaming up for some reason with this other guy for some reason who possesses an ambiguously sapient space army for some other reason so that they can pick up a MacGuffin... It's perfectly serviceable as a plot for the Avengers, but like Nero in the first Star Trek reboot it mostly feels like some event that happens because the gang need to come together. I mean yeah I enjoyed some of these films (not the Iron Man ones at all, those are pretty lame, which is weird when you have Robert Downey Jr. as your star but there you go, I liked Thor 2 better than all three how is that for controversy) but I feel the lack of interesting plots connecting the films hurts them a bit. Some films in particular seem kind of bored by the current film's plot because they are so eager to get to the next movie - Iron Man 2 most of all. Anyway I finished my run-rough the MCU by watching the greatest Marvel movie, Italian Spiderman. Good days.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jan 17, 2015 15:18:48 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner Iron Man 2 is basically an ad for The Avengers, especially Black Widow. Everything else is secondary to that, and boy does it show. Re. Villainy: This is why I have high hopes for the Daredevil TV show: The Kingpin is a genuinely interesting villain, and getting D'Onofrio to play him is a smart move..
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 17, 2015 15:23:32 GMT -5
Post-Lupin As far as TV goes and to be fair to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Kyle MacLachlan as a kind of villain/antihero character is one of the best things they've done, and I submit, one of the best antagonists the entire MCU has.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jan 17, 2015 15:27:31 GMT -5
Post-Lupin As far as TV goes and to be fair to Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., Kyle MacLachlan as a kind of villain/antihero character is one of the best things they've done, and I submit, one of the best antagonists the entire MCU has. If they spin him off into a non-Skye-and-Slab-McBeeflump show, I'm all in... |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jan 17, 2015 15:28:41 GMT -5
Post-Lupin Not likely, given how his character is tied pretty directly to Skye (he's her father.)
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Post by sarapen on Jan 18, 2015 11:39:23 GMT -5
I remember that the Batman movies used to be criticized for having villains that were more interesting than the main character. I guess Marvel went with the opposite strategy of focusing completely on the heroes and having perfunctory bad guys.
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Post by Carade on Feb 9, 2015 23:57:30 GMT -5
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Feb 10, 2015 7:10:28 GMT -5
Good fucking God. I go to sleep, and the first thing I see when I wake up is this news!
First off, I will say in disappointed, solely because I was really looking forward to seeing Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Inhumans movies, which are delayed now to make room for this production. However, it's still incredibly cool to see him in here in the MCU. Spidey's home everyone!
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 10, 2015 7:41:21 GMT -5
Donald Glover as Spider-Man or no sale. Okay fine I will settle for Carade. |
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Post by NerdInTheBasement on Feb 10, 2015 8:17:10 GMT -5
Donald Glover as Spider-Man or no sale. Okay fine I will settle for Carade. I'm pushing for Tony Revolori as Miles Morales myself. |
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Feb 10, 2015 8:39:06 GMT -5
NerdInTheBasement...yeah, that also works for me. Kid was swell in Grand Budapest Hotel.
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Post by ganews on Feb 10, 2015 9:05:25 GMT -5
Holy shit indeed. If they don't cast Carade, someone do me a favor and ask them to put Tobey Maguire back as Peter Parker and get some better writing for in-costume Spider-Man. I feel like that is a fundamental failing of superhero movies with secret identities: the costumed hero is given the same personality as the guy out-of-mask. That's fine for the Avengers, because that's who those people really are. Everyone knows Tony Stark is Iron Man after his press conference, Natasha Romanov testifies before the Senate sub-committee. The X-Men have code names, but they are utterly defined by who they really are. The Fantastic 4 are celebrities! Peter Parker is a lame nerd. Spider-Man is the coolest fucking guy around. Why couldn't they find someone to play both parts? Nobody could convince me that just because someone pushed Andrew Garfield against a locker he wasn't a cool guy. What I'm saying is, we need Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis from Black Swan. You know who actually got this right? Christopher Reeve in the original Superman. I put Bale's Batman in second place, at least he changed his voice and made a little effort to play up being a rich douche in front of other people. |
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Post by flapjackriley on Feb 10, 2015 13:20:35 GMT -5
Michael Keaton's Bruce Wayne is amazing. He fucks you and then sleeps upside down. BECAUSE HE'S BATMAN.
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Post by Trurl on Feb 10, 2015 13:36:12 GMT -5
Holy shit indeed. If they don't cast Carade, someone do me a favor and ask them to put Tobey Maguire back as Peter Parker and get some better writing for in-costume Spider-Man. I feel like that is a fundamental failing of superhero movies with secret identities: the costumed hero is given the same personality as the guy out-of-mask. That's fine for the Avengers, because that's who those people really are. Everyone knows Tony Stark is Iron Man after his press conference, Natasha Romanov testifies before the Senate sub-committee. The X-Men have code names, but they are utterly defined by who they really are. The Fantastic 4 are celebrities! Peter Parker is a lame nerd. Spider-Man is the coolest fucking guy around. Why couldn't they find someone to play both parts? Nobody could convince me that just because someone pushed Andrew Garfield against a locker he wasn't a cool guy. What I'm saying is, we need Natalie Portman and Mila Kunis from Black Swan. You know who actually got this right? Christopher Reeve in the original Superman. I put Bale's Batman in second place, at least he changed his voice and made a little effort to play up being a rich douche in front of other people. I could have taken Garfield as Spider-Man if they hadn't ripped out what the other essential part of Spider-Man's backstory - his working class roots and constant financial insecurity. Almost all of Spider-Man's motivations were about money and the Raimi movie got that - the costume and character name were so he could get some cash as a wrestler, the reason he had to keep working for Jameson (propping up the newspaper that seemed only to exist to demonize Spider-Man) was out of financial need. Parker was an unpopular nerdy weirdo who was stuck in a class struggle, not a cute, middle-class academic overachiever who skips school to intern at an incredibly rich multinational who's equipment he can borrow to make his nifty costume and web shooters. I agree about Reeve - Kent was a distinct personality. I should watch it again - I haven't seen it in years. |
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Post by flapjackriley on Feb 10, 2015 21:27:14 GMT -5
I have too many thoughts on the Spider-Man thing so I wrote a blog post. What's amazing is how I condensed my criticism of The Amazing Spider-Man 2 into one sentence. |
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Post by lackofname on Feb 15, 2015 5:24:29 GMT -5
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Post by sarapen on Feb 15, 2015 23:03:54 GMT -5
The secret origin of The Mandarin. I liked his rejected pilot from the 80's, Caged Heat, which is about a KGB Cop who doesn't play by the rules and his capuchin monkey sidekick. I should look up the deleted scenes from the other Marvel movies.
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