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Post by Sanziana on Aug 11, 2015 2:49:25 GMT -5
Yeah, well, it's not that surprising no one has reported on that. When did international media give a flying fuck about eastern European women (or women coming from other economically challenged places)? They barely cover women's issues from developed countries. |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Aug 11, 2015 3:06:57 GMT -5
I can't stand any stand-up comedy from the last five years or so, because nobody is even trying to be funny or tell jokes anymore. Whether it's that dickface onstage angrily ranting about women and minorities, or that person who used to tell jokes now just broadcasting their vulnerabilities looking for a pat on the back, I'm fucking sick of it. Do your jobs. At least try to make people laugh.
At least that's how it feels.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 11, 2015 12:19:44 GMT -5
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 11, 2015 15:10:51 GMT -5
No, but it's a weird thing to hang onto years and years later. He's 40 years old now, I don't get hating him for being a moocher when he was in his 20s. I mean, obviously I don't know him as a person, he might be a dick. It just makes me uncomfortable when people start piling on a public figure and judging who they are as a human being based on one incident- ain't nobody perfect. Well, sure. That's fair. You like the guy's music, and you don't personally know the person he was mooching off of and leading on. I don't, and I do. Makes total sense we'd come to opposite conclusions about whether we like him or not. I'm sorry if that comes off as piling on. I'd better keep my mouth shut about Dawes! Nah, you're good. My apologies if I was aggressive. |
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Post by Fyodor Douchetoevsky on Aug 11, 2015 15:36:10 GMT -5
I can't stand any stand-up comedy from the last five years or so, because nobody is even trying to be funny or tell jokes anymore. Whether it's that dickface onstage angrily ranting about women and minorities, or that person who used to tell jokes now just broadcasting their vulnerabilities looking for a pat on the back, I'm fucking sick of it. Do your jobs. At least try to make people laugh. At least that's how it feels. Agreed. I like Hannibal Buress a lot because he is funny and has jokes and doesn't seem like an asshole. I generally hate comedians and people who think comedy is the Most Noble Thing. Fuck off. Say a funny joke and don't be a shitbag. You're not a modern day philosopher. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 11, 2015 16:35:24 GMT -5
Here's one: John Teti is a dick, and one of the most unnecessarily confrontational reviewers on the site.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 11, 2015 16:58:37 GMT -5
Here's one: John Teti is a dick, and one of the most unnecessarily confrontational reviewers on the site. He's a total sweetheart IRL! |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 11, 2015 17:00:31 GMT -5
Here's one: John Teti is a dick, and one of the most unnecessarily confrontational reviewers on the site. He's a total sweetheart IRL! That's nice. /Shirley Wish he wouldn't get so dualistically pushy at TOC, the "You're a dick if you don't like pro football" essay spring readily to mind. |
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Post by Fyodor Douchetoevsky on Aug 11, 2015 17:36:31 GMT -5
John Teti is the only good writer left. He sent me a Gameological Pin!
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Post by ComradePig on Aug 11, 2015 18:04:47 GMT -5
For the record, that bit I quoted wasn't written from Taibbi's perspective, but his editor, Mark Ames. Ames is about a million times worse. And Ames's treatment of Russian teenage girls is documented with frightening glee. In the book he recounts one evening with an expat investment banker pal and what he thought were three 16-year-old girls: "When I went back into the TV room, Andy pulled me aside with a worried grin on his face. 'Dude do you realize...do you know how old that Natasha is?' he said. "'Sixteen?' "'No! No, she's fif-teen. Fif-teen.' Right then my pervometer needle hit the red. I had to have her, even if she was homely." After they do it, she tells him she has a three-month-old baby. "It was hard to imagine that Natasha had squatted out a baby," Ames writes. "Her c*nt was as tight as a cat's ass....I'd slept with mothers before--they're a lot wider. Sex with them is like probing a straw in a mildew-lined German beer mug." ..Katya sat on my lap and told me she had some exciting news: she was pregnant, and I was the father! I panicked. Children are my worst nightmare–worse than worst… “No, Katya, you don’t understand. I cannot have a child. I do not like children. I hatethem. They disgust me, physically.” “But I can’t have an abortion,” she pleaded. “I was told that if I did, I’d never be able to have a child.” I knew she was bluffing, so I countered with the RU-486 pill. I offered to fly to France, pick one up, and bring it back for her. “It’s totally safe,” I cheerily offered. “I can’t do that,” she said. ‘I can’t kill our child.” Right then, I stared at Katya with a look–I’m not sure how it appeared to her, but in my mind, I was starting to contemplate two courses of action: murder, or AWOL. “What will you do, kill me?” she said, laughing nervously. “Maybe, yeah,” I replied. “I’ll throw you off my balcony. I’ll make it look like an accident.” She started to cry, but I was relentless. I told her that if she had the child, she would be killing me, so it was an act of self-defense. And if I didn’t kill her, then I would flee Moscow and she’d never find me….I was relentless. I attacked her the Russian way: I wore her down for hours during the KGB interrogation-style… At 5:30 the next morning, Katya, acting the martyr, quietly slipped out of my apartment, made a beeline to the abortion clinic, and sucked the little fucker out.” He spoke about his sex life in Moscow. “Russian women, especially on the first date, expect you to rape them,” said Mr. Ames. “They’ll go back home with you and say, ‘No, no, no,’ and if you’re an American, you’ve been trained to respect the ‘No,’ because you’re afraid of sexual harassment or date rape, and so you fail over and over. But it took me a while to learn you really have to force Russian girls, and that’s what they want, it’s like a mock rape. And then you come back here and you’re really freaked out–because you don’t know if that actually exists deep in all women’s psyches, that that’s what they all want. All relations between guys and girls is basically violent, I think. It’s all war.” Bizarrely, of the few people who I've seen call Ames out on this horrible shit, about half were MRAs. I guess that they were the only people who were reading this awful stuff in the first place. Ames and the Exile crew were very much a 'thing' for while for anyone engaged in Russian affairs, I wouldn't say they were ever embraced as their their scummy surface was always too prevalent for them to enter mainstream respectability but the magazine was generally looked upon as a pseudo-valuable insight into the festival of official corruption and general chaos that defined the country's Wild West 1990s into the 2000s also the rise of Putin. Relatively few other publications were really doing some of the investigative coverage of Russian officials and their schemes in English that sometimes appeared in their magazine, so folks engaged with Russia ended up getting acquainted, if uncomfortably, with the magazine but you had to dig through a deep morass of garbage to get to the decent stuff. In a lot of ways they were a lot like early Vice, both founded by fairly arrogant douches primarily as means to exercise their id/libido and say and do and say dumb things, but who occasionally stumbled onto something interesting, mostly on account of having no qualms about digging deep into a world of sleazy shit that no one else really wanted to touch with a ten foot pole. At the end of the day though, a lot of Ames and Taibbi's behavior goes a long way towards discrediting even the trenchant critiques of Putin/Putinism that rolled out of their magazine. Ames in particular was/is basically a walking embodiment of the stereotype of well-off Westerner in Russia that Putin and conservative Russians rail against, acting with reckless abandon toward its laws, "stealing" its women and denigrating its culture. It was tonally a really weird publication, there was a real anger to it about what dual unfettered capitalism and state abuse was doing to Russia and its people, but then in their personal lives they fully exploited the 'benefits' of the same fucked up environment they were railing against in some, as you quoted, very disgusting ways. As for why no one calls him out on such shit, it's probably a combination of things. Most people probably just don't dig into his sleazier writings or take it as simply more exaggerated bravado of which the publication was in no short supply, or view him as Hunter Thompson figure whose shittier tendencies are too closely tied into his perceived valuable ones, less charitably many others probably just don't give a shit and figure it was 'the way of the times' in country at the time and also assume his gross writings on the nature of those foreign Russian women are basically valid. |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Aug 11, 2015 20:54:24 GMT -5
Here's one: John Teti is a dick, and one of the most unnecessarily confrontational reviewers on the site. This may well be true, but if it wasn't, we probably wouldn't have gotten that sidesplitting Deflategate volte-face that's still probably one of the funniest things I ever got to experience at TOC (and I don't even follow pro football apart from--halfheartedly--Detroit and New Orleans), all the more so for its being unintentional. |
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Post by Sanziana on Aug 12, 2015 2:50:06 GMT -5
John Teti is the only good writer left. He sent me a Gameological Pin! Have you forgotten Ignatiy Vishnevetsky? He's the best writer they have right now. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 12, 2015 10:25:08 GMT -5
For the record, that bit I quoted wasn't written from Taibbi's perspective, but his editor, Mark Ames. Ames is about a million times worse. ... Bizarrely, of the few people who I've seen call Ames out on this horrible shit, about half were MRAs. I guess that they were the only people who were reading this awful stuff in the first place. Ames and the Exile crew were very much a 'thing' for while for anyone engaged in Russian affairs, I wouldn't say they were ever embraced as their their scummy surface was always too prevalent for them to enter mainstream respectability but the magazine was generally looked upon as a pseudo-valuable insight into the festival of official corruption and general chaos that defined the country's Wild West 1990s into the 2000s also the rise of Putin. Relatively few other publications were really doing some of the investigative coverage of Russian officials and their schemes in English that sometimes appeared in their magazine, so folks engaged with Russia ended up getting acquainted, if uncomfortably, with the magazine but you had to dig through a deep morass of garbage to get to the decent stuff. In a lot of ways they were a lot like early Vice, both founded by fairly arrogant douches primarily as means to exercise their id/libido and say and do and say dumb things, but who occasionally stumbled onto something interesting, mostly on account of having no qualms about digging deep into a world of sleazy shit that no one else really wanted to touch with a ten foot pole. At the end of the day though, a lot of Ames and Taibbi's behavior goes a long way towards discrediting even the trenchant critiques of Putin/Putinism that rolled out of their magazine. Ames in particular was/is basically a walking embodiment of the stereotype of well-off Westerner in Russia that Putin and conservative Russians rail against, acting with reckless abandon toward its laws, "stealing" its women and denigrating its culture. It was tonally a really weird publication, there was a real anger to it about what dual unfettered capitalism and state abuse was doing to Russia and its people, but then in their personal lives they fully exploited the 'benefits' of the same fucked up environment they were railing against in some, as you quoted, very disgusting ways. As for why no one calls him out on such shit, it's probably a combination of things. Most people probably just don't dig into his sleazier writings or take it as simply more exaggerated bravado of which the publication was in no short supply, or view him as Hunter Thompson figure whose shittier tendencies are too closely tied into his perceived valuable ones, less charitably many others probably just don't give a shit and figure it was 'the way of the times' in country at the time and also assume his gross writings on the nature of those foreign Russian women are basically valid. For the record, I personally know two excellent and honourable journalists (one male, one female - both cis, if you want to know) who were sacked by Ames from NSWFCorp for very spurious reasons. One was even accused of journalistically untrustworthy behaviour which, if you know the guy, is insane. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Aug 12, 2015 11:32:47 GMT -5
John Teti is the only good writer left. He sent me a Gameological Pin! Have you forgotten Ignatiy Vishnevetsky? He's the best writer they have right now. I think we have tons of great writers still. Just off the top of my head I like O'Neal (of course), Teti, Adams, Rife, Barsanti, Wilkins, and Handlen. And there are plenty of others who just do reviews who I enjoy as well. |
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Post by moimoi on Aug 12, 2015 11:57:15 GMT -5
Have you forgotten Ignatiy Vishnevetsky? He's the best writer they have right now. I think we have tons of great writers still. Just off the top of my head I like O'Neal (of course), Teti, Adams, Rife, Barsanti, Wilkins, and Handlen. And there are plenty of others who just do reviews who I enjoy as well. I like Mike D'Angelo - did we mention him already? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 12:20:43 GMT -5
Have you forgotten Ignatiy Vishnevetsky? He's the best writer they have right now. I think we have tons of great writers still. Just off the top of my head I like O'Neal (of course), Teti, Adams, Rife, Barsanti, Wilkins, and Handlen. And there are plenty of others who just do reviews who I enjoy as well. With the exception of O'Neal (and Molly Eichel, whose writing I will always recognize thanks to her mediocre, typo-riddled Hannibal reviews) I never notice who writes what. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 12, 2015 13:18:27 GMT -5
alasdair is cool, tasha seems smart, josh (modell) made me laugh on purpose at least once, and i have yet to come across anyone else whose work i read regularly enough to notice who writes what without judging them possibly unfairly beyond "meh."
even though they aren't all gems, i still prefer o'neal's newswires, but mccown, rife, barsanti, and others seem fine-ish.
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Post by Fyodor Douchetoevsky on Aug 12, 2015 13:30:04 GMT -5
I actually like a lot of the writers. Nearly all the games writers, Ignatiy, Aa Dowd, Mike d'angelo.
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Post by LazBro on Aug 12, 2015 13:56:09 GMT -5
What SLOW said. I pay little to no attention to AVC's bylines. I used to seek out Todd's work until he left, and I do get excited seeing that Iggy wrote a movie review. Beyond that...
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Post by Smacks on Aug 13, 2015 13:48:44 GMT -5
I do not like Bon Iver, but I also don't comment on articles just to say how much I hate the artist being discussed, either. This was probably my biggest pet peeve. I remember an article, maybe a Newswire back in the day about the tour bus crash where members of the band Baroness were injured. I had tickets to that tour. Some yahoos showed up to make this music sucks/who are these guys jokes and it was probably the only time I got in a confrontation over there. If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. I'm tempted to try to find that Newswire...... |
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Post by LazBro on Aug 13, 2015 14:12:31 GMT -5
This was probably my biggest pet peeve. I remember an article, maybe a Newswire back in the day about the tour bus crash where members of the band Baroness were injured. I had tickets to that tour. Some yahoos showed up to make this music sucks/who are these guys jokes and it was probably the only time I got in a confrontation over there. If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. I'm tempted to try to find that Newswire...... I saw one of their first shows back on tour after the accident, and it was such a beautiful, cathartic moment. I cherish it, even if the actual performance didn't live up to a standard they'd set with me the first time I saw them (opening for Meshuggah). |
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Post by Lord Lucan on Aug 13, 2015 14:13:40 GMT -5
I do not like Bon Iver, but I also don't comment on articles just to say how much I hate the artist being discussed, either. This was probably my biggest pet peeve. I remember an article, maybe a Newswire back in the day about the tour bus crash where members of the band Baroness were injured. I had tickets to that tour. Some yahoos showed up to make this music sucks/who are these guys jokes and it was probably the only time I got in a confrontation over there. If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. I'm tempted to try to find that Newswire...... |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Aug 13, 2015 15:26:21 GMT -5
This was probably my biggest pet peeve. I remember an article, maybe a Newswire back in the day about the tour bus crash where members of the band Baroness were injured. I had tickets to that tour. Some yahoos showed up to make this music sucks/who are these guys jokes and it was probably the only time I got in a confrontation over there. If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. I'm tempted to try to find that Newswire...... Speaking of obliquely insulting T-shirts: the only shirt I ever wore that had men give my strife about was the Transmetropolitan one with the slogan "Cheap, but not as cheap as your girlfriend". Twice, blokes thought it was literally insulting their girlfriend. |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Aug 13, 2015 21:06:29 GMT -5
Of a piece with AVC's Wet Hot American Summer push this week, I have to say I really don't care for the original movie. It's funny in place, but this a smugness about it that feels as though it's far funnier than it actually is. I enjoyed the movie, but it's not exactly a comedy classic. The endangered canoers were hilarious, Paul Rudd's a gem, but other than that it's pretty disposable. The cult status it's apparently accrued among AVC movers and shakers is pretty damn mystifying, and doubly so coverage of the series. |
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Post by ganews on Aug 13, 2015 22:58:17 GMT -5
Speaking of obliquely insulting T-shirts: the only shirt I ever wore that had men give my strife about was the Transmetropolitan one with the slogan "Cheap, but not as cheap as your girlfriend". Twice, blokes thought it was literally insulting their girlfriend. If I were to imagine you in a t-shirt that said something other than "Your Mum", it would be that. |
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Aug 13, 2015 23:40:43 GMT -5
I do not like Bon Iver, but I also don't comment on articles just to say how much I hate the artist being discussed, either. This was probably my biggest pet peeve. I remember an article, maybe a Newswire back in the day about the tour bus crash where members of the band Baroness were injured. I had tickets to that tour. Some yahoos showed up to make this music sucks/who are these guys jokes and it was probably the only time I got in a confrontation over there. If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. I'm tempted to try to find that Newswire...... I was pissed off when Andrew Jackson Jihad got a Newswire about their fantastically weird music video for "Do Re and Me" (I think) and half the comments were talking about what assholes the band members clearly are (based entirely on a single picture) and how they're hipster garbage (based entirely on their name). People were really proud of knowing nothing about the band they were ripping into. |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Aug 14, 2015 7:21:15 GMT -5
If you're making negative comments on art you know nothing about or means nothing to you, you have no business being there. This actually makes me feel a lot better about my Ernest Cline haterade. At least I've actually read Ready Player One (for my sins, apparently). That said, I tend not to make any negative comments per se and just upvote everyone else's. Also, has TOC smashed the vague, open-ended question ceiling with their "always make you laugh?" Q&A today? I wonder only a little as I have no intention of reading it. |
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Post by LazBro on Aug 14, 2015 8:03:54 GMT -5
This actually makes me feel a lot better about my Ernest Cline haterade. At least I've actually read Ready Player One (for my sins, apparently). That said, I tend not to make any negative comments per se and just upvote everyone else's. Also, has TOC smashed the vague, open-ended question ceiling with their "always make you laugh?" Q&A today? I wonder only a little as I have no intention of reading it. A small part of me wants to read Armada just so I can justify talking about how shitty it is. But I won't, so I'll have to go on criticizing Ready Player One instead. I suspect the new one is terrible, but I keep my mouth shut since I haven't read it. I like today's AVQ&A. Open-ended, but it gives people the chance to share their esoteric favorites. I read the article (meaning, I briefly glimpsed at the editor's answers and didn't read much of anything), but I haven't looked at the comments yet. I saw that Mohd changed his name. When did he do that? |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Aug 14, 2015 9:03:10 GMT -5
Of a piece with AVC's Wet Hot American Summer push this week, I have to say I really don't care for the original movie. It's funny in place, but this a smugness about it that feels as though it's far funnier than it actually is. The notion of a series is . . .something of a hard sell. I actually don't know anybody in person who's seen it, so until the AV Club and Comedy Bang! Bang!, my only knowledge of Wet Hot American Summer was the 1-star evisceration by Roger Ebert: www.rogerebert.com/reviews/wet-hot-american-summer-2001After reading that I've never had any interest, so the whole CBB/AVC obsession kinda confuses me. |
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