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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 6, 2016 12:38:01 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 14:03:48 GMT -5
This reminds me of Woke Gator Tweet Person. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 6, 2016 14:26:54 GMT -5
I am having fun with occasionally tweaking the aggrieved white-boy comic geeks on the Iron Man thread.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jul 6, 2016 14:52:17 GMT -5
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 6, 2016 15:27:02 GMT -5
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 6, 2016 15:39:46 GMT -5
This reminds me of Woke Gator Tweet Person. I looked that up and now I really wish I didn't know about it. God, people are evil. |
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Jul 6, 2016 16:23:56 GMT -5
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 6, 2016 16:36:06 GMT -5
THEY'RE EATING THEIR OWN! WE'RE THROUGH THE LOOKING GLASS!
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Jul 6, 2016 17:33:11 GMT -5
Ooh, I actually really liked that article a lot. |
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jul 6, 2016 18:14:26 GMT -5
Thanks! Looks like she is just not on board with white dudes reviewing OitNB at all, which I can't really argue with being a white dude myself. Also looks like she deleted her comment, so maybe that wasn't cool with her employers. |
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Post by ganews on Jul 8, 2016 11:52:38 GMT -5
I feel like Marah ought to make Hatesong interviewees read the Genius entry first or something. Then when they have a very different (I won't say objectively wrong, because it's art) interpretation of the lyrics, they can say "most people think X, but I think it's really about Y because...". But then, that kind of examination really isn't what the column in about.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 8, 2016 13:40:21 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus.
Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show.
Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 8, 2016 16:34:29 GMT -5
Ironic that they’ve apparently stopped doing the Friday evening AVQ&A—where one could find reasonable discussions of religion from pseudonymous internet randos—this week.
I wouldn’t say that getting rid of AVQ&A was a blunder in-and-of itself—the questions and discussions had been getting weaker for months, if not years now—but it is a striking contrast.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 8, 2016 16:50:24 GMT -5
Ironic that they’ve apparently stopped doing the Friday evening AVQ&A—where one could find reasonable discussions of religion from pseudonymous internet randos—this week. I wouldn’t say that getting rid of AVQ&A was a blunder in-and-of itself—the questions and discussions had been getting weaker for months, if not years now—but it is a striking contrast. They've certainly not run out of material: I submitted a AVQ&A idea over 3 years ago they've not done (best use of songs/found music in TV shows - the correct answer, as we all know, being Person Of Interest). |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 8, 2016 19:04:52 GMT -5
Apparently Tim O'Neill has been getting rather testy with people in the Comics Panel page? It's amusing to see when it pops up.
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Post by ComradePig on Jul 8, 2016 21:22:24 GMT -5
Is the "Stop Jizzing All Over Journalism" roundtable as uninformative and vacuous as its non-headline suggests or is this a decent discussion about, something related to journalism I guess (  ), buried under a incredibly stupid title? |
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Jul 8, 2016 21:55:27 GMT -5
Is the "Stop Jizzing All Over Journalism" roundtable as uninformative and vacuous as its non-headline suggests or is this a decent discussion about, something related to journalism I guess ( ), buried under a incredibly stupid title? The latter. I'm not a huge fan of the headline, but the discussion is quite in-depth and interesting. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 8, 2016 21:59:39 GMT -5
Is the "Stop Jizzing All Over Journalism" roundtable as uninformative and vacuous as its non-headline suggests or is this a decent discussion about, something related to journalism I guess ( ), buried under a incredibly stupid title? Caroline Siede, Molly Eichel, Ashley Ray-Harris, Marah Eakin, and Allison Shoemaker offer some really good and interesting thoughts and angles. |
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Post by ComradePig on Jul 8, 2016 22:29:25 GMT -5
Is the "Stop Jizzing All Over Journalism" roundtable as uninformative and vacuous as its non-headline suggests or is this a decent discussion about, something related to journalism I guess ( ), buried under a incredibly stupid title? The latter. I'm not a huge fan of the headline, but the discussion is quite in-depth and interesting. So...now I actually have to sincerely engage with a piece of thought provoking writing instead of just basking in disdainful superiority? Bummer. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Jul 8, 2016 22:43:18 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus. Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show. Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only. I wasn't even exaggerating when I said over there that the comments in that post had me fighting back tears at work. I wish I hadn't ever read them. I loved the piece itself, though! |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 8, 2016 23:42:16 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus. Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show. Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only. I wasn't even exaggerating when I said over there that the comments in that post had me fighting back tears at work. I wish I hadn't ever read them. I loved the piece itself, though! From the first comment, too. I could only read so many, but it was clear that 98% of all the vitriolic reactions were nothing more than projecting. Of course 95% of the comments were vitriolic reactions, which meant the only thing the rest of us could do was snark or fight. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 8, 2016 23:49:00 GMT -5
What made that journalism article work, for me, personally, was that there was a legit and nuanced dialogue from most of the contributors. I loved reading things I'd never read before, and platitudes were kept to a minimum. When I read about race and gender and other things I'm on the more privileged side of, I want to read new and challenging perspectives that build upon what I know already. And save for a couple entries that appeared to be more venting (not that there's no place for that, or unwarranted), I got some great mental food to digest.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Jul 9, 2016 11:15:03 GMT -5
I love that Mohd managed to monopolize the first 100 comments on that with a discussion about some Youtuber not reviewing Ghostbusters.
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Post by moimoi on Jul 9, 2016 12:37:30 GMT -5
I wasn't even exaggerating when I said over there that the comments in that post had me fighting back tears at work. I wish I hadn't ever read them. I loved the piece itself, though! From the first comment, too. I could only read so many, but it was clear that 98% of all the vitriolic reactions were nothing more than projecting. Of course 95% of the comments were vitriolic reactions, which meant the only thing the rest of us could do was snark or fight. I made one very simple comment indicating that I agreed with Caroline Siede's assertion that men intellectualize sexism because they don't experience it firsthand and got this response: "This is, of course, the classic hackneyed argument men and women have, that smart men learn to let go. But I'm not smart, so: What I don't get here though, is that isn't every debate best intellectualized? Isn't emotional bias distorting? The ideal basis of an argument should be logical, right? How bad you feel about something really doesnt mean anything" Now this really got me to wondering, do MRA-types troll these articles as an excuse to talk to women? Like, I can imagine this commenter being someone who calls themself "sapiosexual" on a dating profile and insists that it's hard to find a woman who will engage in 'substantive' conversations. I can also imagine that IRL, this man does find it very difficult to find a woman who will put up with this kind of bullshit condescension. The use of the term "hackneyed" indicates that he might be in high school and fancy himself very gifted. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 9, 2016 13:42:42 GMT -5
From the first comment, too. I could only read so many, but it was clear that 98% of all the vitriolic reactions were nothing more than projecting. Of course 95% of the comments were vitriolic reactions, which meant the only thing the rest of us could do was snark or fight. I made one very simple comment indicating that I agreed with Caroline Siede's assertion that men intellectualize sexism because they don't experience it firsthand and got this response: "This is, of course, the classic hackneyed argument men and women have, that smart men learn to let go. But I'm not smart, so: What I don't get here though, is that isn't every debate best intellectualized? Isn't emotional bias distorting? The ideal basis of an argument should be logical, right? How bad you feel about something really doesnt mean anything" Now this really got me to wondering, do MRA-types troll these articles as an excuse to talk to women? Like, I can imagine this commenter being someone who calls themself "sapiosexual" on a dating profile and insists that it's hard to find a woman who will engage in 'substantive' conversations. I can also imagine that IRL, this man does find it very difficult to find a woman who will put up with this kind of bullshit condescension. The use of the term "hackneyed" indicates that he might be in high school and fancy himself very gifted. "Hackneyed" makes him sound like a bad film critic. But you can see the low self-esteem smoke out of the keyboards as they write that. They troll to talk to women, sure, but in order to prove themselves, because you're not an individual to them. You are an amalgamation of every woman that they met in real life and thus believe never respected them. You are their reaction to the women of their past, that they couldn't or wouldn't do because it was IRL. And the contingent of openly female readership over at the Old Country is the boogey man to those MRA's. It's like they're playing World of Warcraft and have to venture into one of the dungeons as a group to battle the mighty Feminists in order to get the necessary treasure to level up. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 9, 2016 15:04:10 GMT -5
might be in high school and fancy himself very gifted |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 9, 2016 15:52:45 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus. Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show. Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only. I have to kind of disagree with this—I scrolled loaded all comments through moimoi ’s responder. I saw a lot of deleted posts, maybe from disqus drop-ins. But the remaining annoying posts—the sapiosexuals, the concern trolls, the “well, if we take this article with a tone-deaf literalness…”, the technically-correct-is-the-best-kind-of-corrects, were all people who I’d probably describe as semi-regulars—you might know their name from an errant upvote, their odd drop in every so often, their posts on a specific topic you don’t really follow but will occasionally click on. moimoi ’s responder even had an AVC-native account. I don’t think we can really blame this entirely, or even mostly, on disqus. |
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Post by ayatollahcm on Jul 9, 2016 16:01:04 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus. Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show. Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only. I have to kind of disagree with this—I scrolled loaded all comments through moimoi ’s responder. I saw a lot of deleted posts, maybe from disqus drop-ins. But the remaining annoying posts—the sapiosexuals, the concern trolls, the “well, if we take this article with a tone-deaf literalness…”, the technically-correct-is-the-best-kind-of-corrects, were all people who I’d probably describe as semi-regulars—you might know their name from an errant upvote, their odd drop in every so often, their posts on a specific topic you don’t really follow but will occasionally click on. moimoi ’s responder even had an AVC-native account. I don’t think we can really blame this entirely, or even mostly, on disqus. I've noticed an uptick of "long term" readers and users who were bemoaning "the leftist shift" of the writing. Investigation showed me that many of them were at least semi regular commenters of both AVC and Dissolve. Unsettling. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Jul 9, 2016 16:03:08 GMT -5
The more I read the comments at TOC, the more convinced the greatest mistake they ever made was Disqus. Not for the usual won't-load-posts stuff. Because of the waves of single-issue fuckwits who do drive-bys on any remotely feminist or progressive articles. The sort who make an account to send a single post to slag off women commenters. Take a look at the Margot Robbie interview article comments, if you dare. It's a shit-show. Remembering when we moaned about having to register to vote: those were halcyon fucking days compared to how bad it gets now. I truly hope that whatever new comment system they set up will either filter fuckwittery far more severely, actually be moderated... or they bring back registered comments only. I have to kind of disagree with this—I scrolled loaded all comments through moimoi ’s responder. I saw a lot of deleted posts, maybe from disqus drop-ins. But the remaining annoying posts—the sapiosexuals, the concern trolls, the “well, if we take this article with a tone-deaf literalness…”, the technically-correct-is-the-best-kind-of-corrects, were all people who I’d probably describe as semi-regulars—you might know their name from an errant upvote, their odd drop in every so often, their posts on a specific topic you don’t really follow but will occasionally click on. moimoi ’s responder even had an AVC-native account. I don’t think we can really blame this entirely, or even mostly, on disqus. #NotAllDisqus Possibly true of specific thread - I ad mit I didn't get all the way down. But as far as I did get (first 200-odd, maybe?), saw a lot of 1-10 post 'eggs', some who were there for a ruck. And to be sure, a lot of dicks have TOC handles or refresh them often - hell, we have a whole thread devoted to the worst example. But I do see a distinct increase of nastiness in comments |
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jul 9, 2016 16:30:52 GMT -5
ayatollahcm It’s an odd statement to make, given that the old AVC and especially the Dissolve (which had a regular women-in-the-industry feature) basically operated within the same ideological space. But a lot of breadth in critical coverage has been lost. I learned a lot about how films work—editing, color, music, etc.—from pre-split AVC and Dissolve and I wouldn’t get as much of that from the current one. But it’s not like more formalist—or any sort of non-political—analysis is by nature incompatible with feminist analysis, though—you could do both, and the AVC and Dissolve did, and the AVC continues to do so as well, if at at not the same pace/consistency. I can see how one could come to the conclusion one crowded out the other, but I think it’s obvious by now that’s more a consequence of what drives each marginal pageclick, not some kind of implicit opposition between critical models. And of course it’s not even totally true—A History of Violence is a new-ish feature that’s pretty much entirely dedicated to archetypal “guy films” and does focus on stuff like historical context, editing, &c. But I can see how that impression forms.
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), buried under a incredibly stupid title?
