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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 7, 2016 13:51:53 GMT -5
There are many things I dislike about how the AVC does music, but "they're too indie/obscure" is not one of them, especially when they've often forgone covering notable-but-less-well-known releases in favor of covering, say, Taylor Swift or other mainstream pop acts. They tend to cover the super-popular and the super-obscure, but not a lot of in-between, which I think is where a lot of the criticism comes from. I agree, although I think that might partly reflect the current music scene, in which (if you zoom out of your own tastes and listening habits) I don't know that there ARE a lot of bands between those poles. Internet listening culture, I think, tends to magnify the perceived popularity of obscure acts among those who listen to them, to the point where you're prone to thinking they're reasonably well known and resenting the fact that people outside your listening bubble are "ignoring" them. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 7, 2016 14:32:11 GMT -5
They tend to cover the super-popular and the super-obscure, but not a lot of in-between, which I think is where a lot of the criticism comes from. I agree, although I think that might partly reflect the current music scene, in which (if you zoom out of your own tastes and listening habits) I don't know that there ARE a lot of bands between those poles. Internet listening culture, I think, tends to magnify the perceived popularity of obscure acts among those who listen to them, to the point where you're prone to thinking they're reasonably well known and resenting the fact that people outside your listening bubble are "ignoring" them. It's also incredibly rare they review acts that aren't American unless they're huge (as in Radiohead-huge). |
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Post by moimoi on Oct 7, 2016 15:16:14 GMT -5
They tend to cover the super-popular and the super-obscure, but not a lot of in-between, which I think is where a lot of the criticism comes from. I agree, although I think that might partly reflect the current music scene, in which (if you zoom out of your own tastes and listening habits) I don't know that there ARE a lot of bands between those poles. Internet listening culture, I think, tends to magnify the perceived popularity of obscure acts among those who listen to them, to the point where you're prone to thinking they're reasonably well known and resenting the fact that people outside your listening bubble are "ignoring" them. I think you hit the nail on the head. Especially when it comes to music-related features (like Undercover or the 'What's in my Bag' ripoff they did at Pitchfork), it seems like they assume that AVC readers are also readers of Pitchfork/Stereogum and will recognize people like Mothers or Thundercat. However, I think that's only partially true. Some AV Clubbers are mainly in it for TV Club or Gameological Society. The Venn Diagram of Clubber interests and musical knowledge would be all over the map, as this very forum illustrates. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 8, 2016 6:39:54 GMT -5
Oh yay, there's a different newsletter pop-up now...
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Post by ComradePig on Oct 10, 2016 15:05:38 GMT -5
Did y'all know Jon Oliver breathed oxygen today, it's important that you do and that you did yesterday and will tomorrow.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 10, 2016 15:55:11 GMT -5
Did y'all know Jon Oliver breathed oxygen today, it's important that you do and that you did yesterday and will tomorrow. Jon Oliver absolutely DESTROYS CO₂! |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Oct 10, 2016 19:06:15 GMT -5
John Oliver.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 12, 2016 5:41:31 GMT -5
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Post by Bedroom Pastrami on Oct 12, 2016 10:30:43 GMT -5
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 12, 2016 15:29:09 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. |
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Post by Bedroom Pastrami on Oct 12, 2016 16:57:44 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. I don't know if stricter moderation is the best answer, but sometimes it sure seems like it is. Is your comment relevant to the article? No? Then DON'T COMMENT. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2016 17:28:27 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. I don't know if stricter moderation is the best answer, but sometimes it sure seems like it is. Is your comment relevant to the article? No? Then DON'T COMMENT. Eh, they're having fun with it, even if most of the comments are stupid. I don't think they should just moderate everything vaguely off topic. |
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Oct 12, 2016 18:01:01 GMT -5
I don't know if stricter moderation is the best answer, but sometimes it sure seems like it is. Is your comment relevant to the article? No? Then DON'T COMMENT. Eh, they're having fun with it, even if most of the comments are stupid. I don't think they should just moderate everything vaguely off topic. If they moderated away off topic posts, this forum wouldn't exist! |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 12, 2016 18:26:26 GMT -5
On that history of violence column about aliens, the writer said Alien is barely a Sci-fi movie. Fuck off. It has a major sci-fi setting the villain is a goddamned alien and an Android, there is a computer with AI. Like what more do you fucking need? Yes, it is a "primal horror film" but that doesn't mean it overrides the sci-fi elements. I hate this trend of people looking at sci-fi films and then proclaiming them to be something different. Martin Starr's character on Party Down writes for the AV Club now? |
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Post by Albert Fish Taco on Oct 12, 2016 18:31:44 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. I don't know if stricter moderation is the best answer, but sometimes it sure seems like it is. Is your comment relevant to the article? No? Then DON'T COMMENT. Surely Starz would be grandfathered from such a ban though, right? |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 12, 2016 22:20:16 GMT -5
Eh, they're having fun with it, even if most of the comments are stupid. I don't think they should just moderate everything vaguely off topic. If they moderated away off topic posts, this forum wouldn't exist! I saw what that looks like back in the day in the TWoP forums, and it was horseshit. I'm a lot more tired of people complaining about these kind of comments at TOC than I ever actually was of those comments. |
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Post by Nudeviking on Oct 12, 2016 22:30:49 GMT -5
I don't know if stricter moderation is the best answer, but sometimes it sure seems like it is. Is your comment relevant to the article? No? Then DON'T COMMENT. Surely Starz would be grandfathered from such a ban though, right? WTF is Starz....lol |
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Post by GumTurkeyles on Oct 13, 2016 5:53:30 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. Those are usually the early commenters. It's the people that want to talk, without having anything worth saying. Unfortunately, they lead to large discussions so you can't just close them down without losing actual valuable* discussion related to the topic. It happened earlier this week with the Amber Tamblyn newswire as well. I mean, I've been tempted to write... something when I click on an article and see there's only 10 or less comments. But if I can't contribute (if I can't make a good joke) I'll usually just check it out in a few hours and reply to others. *actual value not measured or guaranteed. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Oct 13, 2016 8:30:02 GMT -5
The "nobody knows who ____ is" under every single Newswire is driving me insane. Last week it was novelist Elena Ferrante. And for much of the first half of the year, it was "nobody here is ever gonna see Hamilton, stop talking about Hamilton". Now the Nick Kroll Broadway show is getting both at once - "who's Nick Kroll? why are you talking about theatre? nobody will see this and nobody cares." I know I'm incredibly lucky & privileged to have gotten tickets to both Hamilton and Oh, Hello, but if your reaction to not seeing those things is to complain that nobody else should discuss them, or enjoy them, and that national media shouldn't report on them, well...buzz off. Those are usually the early commenters. It's the people that want to talk, without having anything worth saying. Unfortunately, they lead to large discussions so you can't just close them down without losing actual valuable* discussion related to the topic. It happened earlier this week with the Amber Tamblyn newswire as well. I mean, I've been tempted to write... something when I click on an article and see there's only 10 or less comments. But if I can't contribute (if I can't make a good joke) I'll usually just check it out in a few hours and reply to others. *actual value not measured or guaranteed. Ugh, the Amber Tamblyn newswire, that one guy was a real asshole. I noped out of that comment section when he started calling me retarded. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Oct 13, 2016 8:50:35 GMT -5
Surely Starz would be grandfathered from such a ban though, right? WTF is Starz....lol Funny story, back in the days when you could choose whatever name you wanted before hitting post I used to post under the name starz with a lower case s instead of a capital, and the system didn't say the name was taken already. When the post came out though it looked like exactly the same name. My thought was maybe if I took their gimmick to a ridiculous extreme (WTF is TV lol) that eventually I could get enough people annoyed with them that even they would see it wasn't funny anymore and just stop. I eventually gave up on my quest. I was working a job at the time that allowed me a lot of screwing around time. |
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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 13, 2016 10:33:01 GMT -5
The AV ClubI was working a job at the time that allowed me a lot of screwing around time.
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 13, 2016 13:30:58 GMT -5
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Post by ganews on Oct 13, 2016 14:26:14 GMT -5
Ha ha, seriously. I clicked on it because I assumed O'Neal, then I just felt bad for Alex. |
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 15, 2016 12:09:42 GMT -5
And now the fucking newsletter pop-up doesn't completely close, puts a black rectangle in bottom right corner of page.
#WeFearChange
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Post by Logoboros on Oct 18, 2016 19:46:36 GMT -5
On the subject of the irritating things about the commentariat these days: the Brad Dourif Random Roles.
This is a particularly fine specimen of commenter after commenter after commenter posting the exactly same observation ("What, no discussion of his role on the X-Files?" "What, no discussion of Wise Blood?") clearing demonstrating that they haven't read or even skimmed over the existing comments. They just had to add their contribution without doing any of the work to engage with the conversation that was already going on. I know there's always been an element of this, but my own anecdotal impression is that it's much more frequent these days than in days of yore (and I think it contributes to the watering down of the discussions that happen, compared to five years ago). Now, sure, Disqus is a contributing factor, both for drawing in random drive-by commenters and also for making it impossible to ctrl+f search all the comments at once, so once you're beyond 200 comments, it does take considerably more effort to check through and see if your point is already under discussion somewhere else. But this behavior still just smacks of entitlement and/or narcissism to me.
ETA: on a related note, I am also irritated by people who read the comments in "Newest First" order (and a plague on Disqus for making that the default), at least on a first pass through the comments. Yes, I am irritated by the idea that such people exist, even though I have no way to know who those people are (other than when they clearly post something that was already extensively discussed earlier).
ETA2: Also, my irritation is somewhat contained when someone just repeats the same basic observation ("He was great in the X-Files, too bad it wasn't covered.") but is trebled when the comment is framed as an obvious blindness to the existing conversation ("Does anyone know who was originally cast as Grima Wormtongue?").
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Post by Post-Lupin on Oct 19, 2016 18:34:28 GMT -5
Disqus is a contributing factor I skimmed over the rest. |
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Post by LazBro on Oct 19, 2016 20:55:04 GMT -5
ETA: on a related note, I am also irritated by people who read the comments in "Newest First" order (and a plague on Disqus for making that the default), at least on a first pass through the comments. Yes, I am irritated by the idea that such people exist, even though I have no way to know who those people are (other than when they clearly post something that was already extensively discussed earlier). I agree with this with every fiber of my being ... but I also have my comments set to "Newest First," because if I don't the feed conks out after 3 or 4 extensions. Damnedest thing. If it's "Newest First", I can scroll through the whole thing. If it's "Oldest First", it just stops after 300-400 comments, no matter what I do. So, as usual, fuq disqus. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 14:03:44 GMT -5
I'm still perplexed over the AVC putting so much into the last site redesign to make it somewhat better on mobile devices and then sticking with Disqus, which is a complete and utter godawful shitshow on mobile devices.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2016 14:06:11 GMT -5
And now the fucking newsletter pop-up doesn't completely close, puts a black rectangle in bottom right corner of page. #WeFearChange Not only am I still getting the newsletter pop-ups on a regular basis, but I'm getting *different* ones - yesterday, I got the standard newsletter pop-up on one article, and got a more specific "GET OUR NEWEST REVIEWS IN YOUR INBOX" newsletter pop-up while reading a movie review. It is poop |
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Oct 21, 2016 13:26:40 GMT -5
Disqus appears to be acting up (Avocado doesn't scan), but the Old Country still managed the wherewithal to post an article with the headline "Here's why half the internet went down today" only to have a "Problem Loading Page" screen show up when you try to access the latter.
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