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Post by rainbowsherbert on Dec 3, 2016 23:13:29 GMT -5
Can they please stop posting Donald Trump newswires? It's not that I necessarily have a problem with the AV Club posting about Trump, although I find their analysis to be rather mediocre and totally forgettable, especially in this landscape of options. My problem is that it's such a transparent attempt at both a.) Getting clicks and b.) Fashioning itself into a hybrid news/pop culture website. I can't remember where I saw this, but I encountered someone complaining in the comment section of an article that maybe the AV Club should explain why they were focusing so much on Trump (this was during the primaries, btw) and one of the writers responded that while political topics were usually not a subject that they would comment upon, Trump was fair game because he was a figure from the entertainment world. It was a such a lame excuse that I just rolled my eyes at the thought, because I like to think that I, and most of the other readers on the site, are fairly intelligent, or at least capable of basic reasoning, because this was a bullshit explanation if there ever was one. "We only cover him because he had a reality tv show!" is probably not as likely a reasoning as "Listen, more people click on one Trump newsfeed article than they ever did on a review of an episode of Adventuretime, and since I have bills to pay, I'm going to write what my employers would be most pleased with", but I suppose that such a statement would make the company look "bad" by portraying them as being more interested in making money than in crafting worthwhile articles. I get a business wanting to make money first and foremost, but they could at least try and make it a more rewarding read than an article from Buzzfeed that features more GIFs than paragraphs. Honestly, if they want to cover Trump's antics, be my guest, but I hope that they will try and balance their political coverage (limited solely to Trump, because of course it is) by covering other topics that I might be interested in, like how to make money and how to have rewarding sex.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Dec 4, 2016 13:57:02 GMT -5
I think the big issue is that (and this predates Trump) a decent chunk of the commentariat consists of your stereotypical “Fox News Uncle,” but from the center-left. This has been a thing for a couple of years, but it’s getting nuts—a couple weeks ago they were in full “The Russians hacked Wisconsin!” mode in the OG TI. Carve out some space in your life where you can actually enjoy yourself, not just another echo chamber.
I have no issue with well-placed election humor, or the odd article, but it’s really just not one of the AVC’s strengths. And the recent trend in thinkpiece writing that we’ve mocked over and over again in this thread is just spectacularly ill-suited to talking about actual politics. I started reading the AVC regularly in high school back during the Bush Regime, and it was stuff like “Box of Paperbacks” and “Commentary Tracks of the Damned” and cool interviews. Maybe, because it was still packaged with The Onion (hard copy!) there was a feeling that politics was covered (and stuff would sometimes come up organically from time-to-time in AVC features), but it was fun stuff about film and random pop culture detritus and the like. I really don’t think that’s a bad model, or that the AVC readership will turn into fascist sheep if they aren’t constantly reminded of how bad their soon-to-be POTUS is.
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Post by cytolliver on Dec 4, 2016 18:54:10 GMT -5
Thank you! I also cite "Box of Paperbacks" and "Commentary Tracks of the Damned" as my two go-to examples of when the site was pumping out Fun Stuff to Read at Work During the Day. These angry political diatribes in every commment section are obnoxious. Most recently, What's On Tonight used to be an enjoyable feature especially on Sundays but even that's been ruined by certain characters. I've found the block button helps clear the clutter if nothing else.
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Post by moimoi on Dec 4, 2016 21:30:20 GMT -5
Thank you! I also cite "Box of Paperbacks" and "Commentary Tracks of the Damned" as my two go-to examples of when the site was pumping out Fun Stuff to Read at Work During the Day. These angry political diatribes in every commment section are obnoxious. Most recently, What's On Tonight used to be an enjoyable feature especially on Sundays but even that's been ruined by certain characters. I've found the block button helps clear the clutter if nothing else. Whatup Cy! Let's talk about HBO!
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Post by cytolliver on Dec 4, 2016 22:53:39 GMT -5
Whatup Cy! Let's talk about HBO! I'm one of the haters that was largely disappointed by Westworld so there's that!
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Post by moimoi on Dec 5, 2016 16:25:26 GMT -5
Whatup Cy! Let's talk about HBO! I'm one of the haters that was largely disappointed by Westworld so there's that! I thought Westworld was...interesting. It was fun to watch, I guess, but it didn't engage me on an emotional level like, well, Deadwood or the dearly departed Boardwalk Empire. I agree with Zach Handlen's assessment: "catnip for people who like to argue about plot points, but...the actual experience of watching the series is clinical bordering on sterile." The only character/plot arc that really engaged me was Maeve. Everybody else is giving good performances, but the characters are all as one-dimensional as the robots.
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Post by moimoi on Dec 6, 2016 12:38:17 GMT -5
In my attempt to post a simple comment noting that this is essentially a sponsored post with testimonials from other artists (instead of Dawes-level shilling), Disqus didn't just kick me out (as it frequently does), but gave me an error screen. Curious.
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Post by ganews on Dec 6, 2016 12:53:14 GMT -5
I don't understand why AVC works so hard to bury some of its features. AV Undercover this year would be the biggest example, as it always appears hidden near the bottom of the front page but presumably costs more to produce than a simple piece of writing.
Consider the reader best-of-the-year poll article today. Not only is it released in a Newswire instead of as one of the featured stories on the main page, but look a the time line. There was another Newswire published less than 60 seconds later (of the little attended "hear this band's song" variety), and one more just a minute later! Why not simply schedule the post so it appears at the top of the list for over an hour instead of the Chris Rock thing?
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 6, 2016 21:20:33 GMT -5
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 6, 2016 21:39:16 GMT -5
Barsanti suucks. Over the weekend he called out Alec Baldwin for not responding to Trump in the manner he would have liked him to.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 6, 2016 22:05:01 GMT -5
Barsanti suucks. Over the weekend he called out Alec Baldwin for not responding to Trump in the manner he would have liked him to. There was a time when I thought he was going to be the next O'Neal. Oh, how things change.
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Post by swagonion on Dec 10, 2016 14:25:44 GMT -5
Can they please stop posting Donald Trump newswires? It's not that I necessarily have a problem with the AV Club posting about Trump, although I find their analysis to be rather mediocre and totally forgettable, especially in this landscape of options. My problem is that it's such a transparent attempt at both a.) Getting clicks and b.) Fashioning itself into a hybrid news/pop culture website. I can't remember where I saw this, but I encountered someone complaining in the comment section of an article that maybe the AV Club should explain why they were focusing so much on Trump (this was during the primaries, btw) and one of the writers responded that while political topics were usually not a subject that they would comment upon, Trump was fair game because he was a figure from the entertainment world. It was a such a lame excuse that I just rolled my eyes at the thought, because I like to think that I, and most of the other readers on the site, are fairly intelligent, or at least capable of basic reasoning, because this was a bullshit explanation if there ever was one. "We only cover him because he had a reality tv show!" is probably not as likely a reasoning as "Listen, more people click on one Trump newsfeed article than they ever did on a review of an episode of Adventuretime, and since I have bills to pay, I'm going to write what my employers would be most pleased with", but I suppose that such a statement would make the company look "bad" by portraying them as being more interested in making money than in crafting worthwhile articles. I get a business wanting to make money first and foremost, but they could at least try and make it a more rewarding read than an article from Buzzfeed that features more GIFs than paragraphs. Honestly, if they want to cover Trump's antics, be my guest, but I hope that they will try and balance their political coverage (limited solely to Trump, because of course it is) by covering other topics that I might be interested in, like how to make money and how to have rewarding sex. It's an interesting dilemma that has a bunch of tributaries feeding into it, making for a big ol' river. The first is that a presidential election without an incumbent becomes, by default, one of the biggest stories of the year in every single topic, up to and including the weather. The AVC didn't post nearly as much about Obama in '08 (it didn't post as much period back then), but it certainly posted a lot of stories about him. And, arguably, that election was the entertainment story of the year, as was this year's election. The second is what that writer mentioned: Trump was primarily an entertainment figure before he ran for president. And if you look back at how he was covered in mid-2015, when he announced, he really was covered as an entertainment sideshow. Late-night comedians mocked him like you'd mock a fatuous celebrity, Huffington Post only wrote about him for its entertainment section, and stories about him were all over pop culture sites. I always worried this would play into what made him popular, and it did! (I wrote a bit about this last August, but even I figured he would sputter out sooner or later.) But regardless, once he was already thought of as an "entertainment figure," it made it easier for entertainment sites to write about him. I certainly wrote about him more than I would have, say, Jeb Bush. And it's not as if there's a comparable figure in American political history to do A-B testing with. Even Reagan had a long political career after his entertainment career before he became president. The third is what you mentioned, which is that Trump drives clicks, and that becomes tempting. The fourth is that the wall between political coverage and every other kind of coverage has been crumbling for a while now, for a bunch of reasons, some good, some neutral, some bad, and in the sort of hyper-unusual environment Trump has created, that's just ratcheted up beyond compare. And the fifth is just that everything about Trump is so beyond anything that's happened in American politics (you have to go back to Andrew Jackson to REALLY find a good analogue) that it's not hard to find every single story bending toward him. And if you're someone who believes his actions shouldn't be normalized, shouldn't be made to feel like "just another president," as a lot of folks do, then it's not hard to want to remind people that, hey, this dude is going to be president. But even if you take more of a wait and see approach, it's still kind of baffling that this dude is going to be president. So I don't think it's 100 percent the clicks thing; it's that we live in a hyper-partisan environment, and Trump is such an anomaly that it's very hard (and some would argue irresponsible) to go about business as usual. (For the record: I find Trump appalling but am not yet worried he is going to become a dictator.)
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2016 13:52:00 GMT -5
Having a comment section.
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Post by ganews on Dec 15, 2016 9:59:36 GMT -5
Has anybody looked at the AVC's Facebook Live things? I thought about it for half a second then realized I wasn't going to jeopardize the anonymity of the ganews brand by linking it to my Facebook account.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 21:50:20 GMT -5
so that was fun, and then i got to Vikings this week: it isn't wall to wall breitbart ex-pats, but over 60% are total strangers who are not the history nerds i dearly miss-- and i am curious about how the other staff writers are dealing with the changes-- getting a ^ from deez perkz made me happy at 1st, then it made me wonder what is going on there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 10:11:03 GMT -5
I've felt so utterly disconnected from and underwhelmed by Undercover this year that I didn't even realize the voting had gone up eleven days ago. It used to be one of my favorite features on the site, but I've been getting steadily less and less interested in the last several iterations of it.
I do feel like the site's design/layout/behavior tends to bury Undercover a lot more than it ever did before, but I think that's only part of it. I just haven't been excited by the content of it in a long while, too.
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Dec 16, 2016 11:06:03 GMT -5
My sympathies. Hulu stopped carrying Vikings this (or even last?) season, which is why I haven't been to the reviews, but I remember the history-nerd glee I felt when I first read (and contributed to) the comments. I think it was "mytzlplk" who put it best: "Comments like this are still why I have faith in the people here."* You admittedly had more... uh, "traditional" troglodytes stop by thinking they were gonna see old-school, wall-to-wall man-rage (the one who was so appalled by the Frankish Princess's actions during the siege of Paris--"politically correct blah blah blah"--without realizing how deeply rooted "heroic, unconventional woman resists/conducts siege" was in certain kinds of medieval--esp. French--iconography was probably my "favorite"), but it's sad to learn that such elements have infiltrated. *Yeah, he said it about one of mine, about the Treaty of Strasbourg and the increasing linguistic ninth-century linguistic division between Old French and Old German, but it could have applied to about 75% of the comments total. Adele Quested in particular was always fantastic value.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 16:44:37 GMT -5
My sympathies. Hulu stopped carrying Vikings this (or even last?) season, which is why I haven't been to the reviews, but I remember the history-nerd glee I felt when I first read (and contributed to) the comments. I think it was "mytzlplk" who put it best: "Comments like this are still why I have faith in the people here."* You admittedly had more... uh, "traditional" troglodytes stop by thinking they were gonna see old-school, wall-to-wall man-rage (the one who was so appalled by the Frankish Princess's actions during the siege of Paris--"politically correct blah blah blah"--without realizing how deeply rooted "heroic, unconventional woman resists/conducts siege" was in certain kinds of medieval--esp. French--iconography was probably my "favorite"), but it's sad to learn that such elements have infiltrated. *Yeah, he said it about one of mine, about the Treaty of Strasbourg and the increasing linguistic ninth-century linguistic division between Old French and Old German, but it could have applied to about 75% of the comments total. Adele Quested in particular was always fantastic value. Not for nuttin I watch vikings illegally on either channel 131 or couchtuner
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Dec 17, 2016 0:37:37 GMT -5
I was a defender of Supper Club, but 12 Days of Bacon can go to hell. The "bacon is the best food" thing was old and played out when I was ENTERING COLLEGE. That long ago.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 3:01:02 GMT -5
The "bacon is the best food" thing was old and played out when I was ENTERING COLLEGE. That long ago. because it is.
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Post by MrsLangdonAlger on Dec 17, 2016 12:20:08 GMT -5
The "bacon is the best food" thing was old and played out when I was ENTERING COLLEGE. That long ago. because it is. I agree that it's pretty great! But it doesn't make the "bacon is so great" fad any more current or any funnier!
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Dec 17, 2016 18:10:40 GMT -5
Goddamn the comments on that Michael Sheen Newswire. I wish I believed it took a lot of work for people to be that joyless and miserable. I feel better as a result about how well I'm aging. If my days are a lot more numbered than they would have been a month ago, I'd rather go out like me than them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 22:42:16 GMT -5
God damn the comments on that Michael Sheen Newswire. I wish I believed it took a lot of work for people to be that joyless and miserable. I feel better as a result about how well I'm aging. If my days are a lot more numbered than they would have been a month ago, I'd rather go out like me than them. i laughed and enjoyed a lot of catfish, velocirapstar, jay s., and re_trace's comments-- esp. re_trace. meanwhile i was watching Midnight Special which got a glowing review w/o reservation it seemed on avc, and it was super-duper boring. i was able to concentrate on reading during it. if anyone out there is studying statistics or organic chemistry, put MS on in the background-- you'll ace your finals, champ!
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Post by Judkins Moaner on Dec 17, 2016 23:19:15 GMT -5
God damn the comments on that Michael Sheen Newswire. I wish I believed it took a lot of work for people to be that joyless and miserable. I feel better as a result about how well I'm aging. If my days are a lot more numbered than they would have been a month ago, I'd rather go out like me than them. i laughed and enjoyed a lot of catfish, velocirapstar, jay s., and re_trace's comments-- esp. re_trace.
I can't find re_trace for some reason (unless it's under a different name)*. Yeah, they were relatively solid, though I'm still inwardly cackling over the one commenter (not to name names, given board standards) whose instant cynicism on said article didn't stop them from flipping out some time back when I and a few others dared to criticize M*A*S*H (the movie); apparently our relative disdain was more or less the equivalent of spitting on returning Vietnam troops or something (and our disdain actually happened!!). *EDIT: Ohhh.
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Post by Meth Lab Shenanigans on Dec 18, 2016 2:36:54 GMT -5
God damn the comments on that Michael Sheen Newswire. I wish I believed it took a lot of work for people to be that joyless and miserable. I feel better as a result about how well I'm aging. If my days are a lot more numbered than they would have been a month ago, I'd rather go out like me than them. Part of what I used to love about the AV Club was how at its peak - despite the sarcasm and morbid humor - the people there truly loved much of the pop culture covered. I'm not sure exactly when it happened, but it's depressing to see how that sarcasm and morbid humor has hardened into real bitterness and anger. There are plenty of great people still around, which is why I always go back, but there isn't really the same sense of passion anymore. I joined the site because the people there were as blown away by Community as I was - today the commentariat would have started hating the show the moment it popped up in too many Newswires.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2016 3:06:15 GMT -5
i laughed and enjoyed a lot of catfish, velocirapstar, jay s., and re_trace's comments-- esp. re_trace.
I can't find re_trace for some reason (unless it's under a different name)*. Yeah, they were relatively solid, though I'm still inwardly cackling over the one commenter (not to name names, given board standards) whose instant cynicism on said article didn't stop them from flipping out some time back when I and a few others dared to criticize M*A*S*H (the movie); apparently our relative disdain was more or less the equivalent of spitting on returning Vietnam troops or something (and our disdain actually happened!!). *EDIT: Ohhh. speaking of VN, if you scroll up from there, you can see dino ironbody's
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Post by Nudeviking on Dec 18, 2016 19:11:19 GMT -5
The "bacon is the best food" thing was old and played out when I was ENTERING COLLEGE. That long ago. because it is. Bacon is great, but you wouldn't even eat it 12 days in a row. Why would you want to read about it for 12 days in a row?
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 19, 2016 13:38:08 GMT -5
Anyone else finding that Disqus has been unusually enfuckenated for the last few days? Plus TOC hasn't updated the Newswire at all today.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 19, 2016 13:46:41 GMT -5
Yes on both counts, Ben. I keep getting the same notifications.
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Post by Dellarigg on Dec 19, 2016 13:54:59 GMT -5
You get any notifications at all!? Check your disqus privilege, ffs.
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