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Post by nowimnothing on Sept 9, 2015 13:57:19 GMT -5
io9.com/everything-we-know-about-star-wars-post-return-of-the-j-1729549100TL;DR First few years after Battle of Endor: The Galactic Civil War raged on after Endor but the Rebels had the upper hand, slowly pushing the Empire back to the outer rim and into a peace agreement. Certain elements in the former Empire look outward to search for Dark Side artifacts that may turn the tide back. Luke goes to Devoran to found a Jedi Temple. Leia becomes a general in the New Republic. Han and Chewie try to liberate Kashyyyk. There is still 20+ years of backstory to fill in before we get caught up to Episode 7 but so far not drastically different than the EU.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Sept 9, 2015 14:14:47 GMT -5
Not surprising. Just because they don't want to be bound to the EU's version of events was no guarantee they wouldn't do something similar.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Sept 9, 2015 14:39:53 GMT -5
Nice that they seem to be steering post-ROTJ Leia in a different direction than the boring bureaucrat and mom I remember her being in what I read of the EU stuff as a kid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 11:23:01 GMT -5
At Costco the other day, they had four new novels - three set in the original trilogy timeline and one post-ROTJ, all stating "includes clues to the story of The Force Awakens!" on the covers.
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Post by nowimnothing on Sept 23, 2015 15:51:54 GMT -5
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Post by sarapen on Oct 1, 2015 17:27:09 GMT -5
So it appears that they're really serious about promoting the new Star Wars films on a global level. There's a licensed Korean webcomic adapting the original trilogy and putting in extra stuff. It starts from when Luke was just a towheaded moppet on Tattoine learning to shoot a laser rifle from Uncle Owen. This adaptation is pretty smart, because I hadn't thought about it but there have been like two generations of moviegoers born since the theatrical release of Return of the Jedi. I do like how the artist doesn't try to slavishly reproduce the actors in 2D. Who the hell's Windy, anyway, is he from the EU? If you want to check it out (for free by the way) go to LINE Webtoon and sign in with Twitter. You'll get to read the official English translation. I'm not sure myself if I'll stick with this comic, though if you want to check out others in their library I would say Hive is a safe choice - basically Walking Dead with giant bugs, and prone to the comic and TV show's trick of always pulling the rug out from under the protagonists to keep the status quo. Or for actual good stuff Chiller's a horror anthology that goes multimedia with sound effects and mild animation - for maximum effect I recommend reading it alone in a room with the lights off - and Witch Hunt, which is about demons hunting witches in modern South Korea.
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Post by sarapen on Oct 1, 2015 18:00:57 GMT -5
Those damn kids. From the comments on the webcomic about Luke Skywalker: I do like how C3P0 is clearly not translating that R2D2 is telling Luke to suck his dick.
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Post by Ron Howard Voice on Oct 1, 2015 19:09:36 GMT -5
So what happened to Luke's dad, anyway?
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Post by sarapen on Oct 1, 2015 20:34:37 GMT -5
So what happened to Luke's dad, anyway? Moved to Vegas after the divorce. I think I saw him on the sidewalk playing his guitar once. No one was buying his CDs.
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Post by Nudeviking on Oct 1, 2015 22:43:22 GMT -5
Are Trioculus and the Glove of Darth Vader going to play a significant role in these new movies? If so, I can't wait!
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Oct 2, 2015 0:26:05 GMT -5
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Oct 14, 2015 20:51:53 GMT -5
Are Trioculus and the Glove of Darth Vader going to play a significant role in these new movies? If so, I can't wait! Zorba the Hutt or gtfo
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Oct 18, 2015 17:54:15 GMT -5
Please let Kylo Ren be Darth Revan.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 0:08:01 GMT -5
Please let Kylo Ren be Darth Revan. Hahaha, no...sorry, I think Disney has officially removed The Old Republic from canon, along with most of the Expanded Universe. Though his mask IS a bit similar...nah.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Oct 19, 2015 10:32:48 GMT -5
Hahaha, no...sorry, I think Disney has officially removed The Old Republic from canon, along with most of the Expanded Universe. They did, but Revan got this close to retroactively remaining canon, in that Clone Wars cut a reference to him. They've said Kylo Ren is kind of a Sith fanboy, so it's possible his getup is an intentional homage to Revan, but even if that was true it'd be the kind of thing mentioned in a videogame or book or comic and not the movie proper.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 19, 2015 12:24:09 GMT -5
I mean, it could still be Revan. Removing the EU from canon just means they don't have to include anything from it, not that they can't use anything from it. After all, Luke Skywalker getting older is technically EU, and they'll probably still have that happen.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Oct 19, 2015 13:57:44 GMT -5
Powerthirteen They've already brought back into canon little things... like the name of a species. Basically when making Star Wars Rebels, the team decided to design a character to look a lot like an early Ralph McQuarrie design for Chewbacca - but an RPG book or whatever had already named this design as the 'Lasat' species. A detail they kept, when of course they were under no obligation to do so. Dave Filoni and company have always been fairly open about including explicitly nerdy Star Wars references in their cartoons (there's a scene in Clone Wars where Ahsoka Tano uses a strategy that Grand Admiral Thrawn also used) so it's not surprising they'll sneak a continuity nod or two in - but whether that sort of thing happens will likely depend on the inclinations of whoever is working on a given Star Wars project.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Oct 19, 2015 14:39:34 GMT -5
I've said many times that creatively, discrediting the EU was the best choice they could have made - it's all there for the taking, but at no point do they have to bring the Emperor back from the dead or drop a moon on Chewie.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Oct 19, 2015 16:55:21 GMT -5
I know the door is open to bring back select pieces of the EU, but using an actual EU character as a central figure is a lot different than fleshing out the background with the odd EU reference. As soon as you do that, it's going to open up a bunch of nerdy questions about what it means for this or that being considered canon now, questions I'm sure the Star Wars people don't want to have to deal with. I think it's much more likely we'll see plots or characters loosely inspired by some EU source than actually utilizing those same characters.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Oct 19, 2015 21:24:47 GMT -5
I know the door is open to bring back select pieces of the EU, but using an actual EU character as a central figure is a lot different than fleshing out the background with the odd EU reference. As soon as you do that, it's going to open up a bunch of nerdy questions about what it means for this or that being considered canon now, None of it is canon - they've made that abundantly clear. And there's already stuff from the EU that was elevated into the movies - most notably, and this is not a small thing there, Coruscant (which was given its name in Timothy Zahn's post-Return of the Jedi trilogy, the one work most obviously un-canoned by the sequel trilogy.) I don't think nerds find that hard to grasp; just as the Marvel movies may pilfer through the comic franchise to mix and match ideas they like. We're going to be having one Star Wars movie a year for the forseeable future, in addition to the comic books, novels, cartoons, videogames; that EU characters will eventually show-up somewhere in the new canon is more or less inevitable - if it has not happened already. ...but enough about that NEW TRAILER I find it interesting Han Solo has to confirm that the Jedi are real; it suggests that the Jedi still have their semi-legendary status from the original trilogy - in other words, Luke may still be the last of the Jedi (at least, for now) and even if he isn't, there probably aren't many more than him. Also, to give the line to Han Solo of all people. Fair play to them (in a series of trailers that have shied from giving us any Luke dialogue outside of a Return of the Jedi speech. Just what is up with Luke these days... has he really gone to the dark side as people wildly speculate?)
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Oct 19, 2015 21:38:00 GMT -5
Can't talk. Too busy having emotional meltdown over Han and Leia hugging.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Oct 19, 2015 21:43:59 GMT -5
I know the door is open to bring back select pieces of the EU, but using an actual EU character as a central figure is a lot different than fleshing out the background with the odd EU reference. As soon as you do that, it's going to open up a bunch of nerdy questions about what it means for this or that being considered canon now, None of it is canon - they've made that abundantly clear. And there's already stuff from the EU that was elevated into the movies - most notably, and this is not a small thing there, Coruscant (which was given its name in Timothy Zahn's post-Return of the Jedi trilogy, the one work most obviously un-canoned by the sequel trilogy.) I don't think nerds find that hard to grasp; just as the Marvel movies may pilfer through the comic franchise to mix and match ideas they like. We're going to be having one Star Wars movie a year for the forseeable future, in addition to the comic books, novels, cartoons, videogames; that EU characters will eventually show-up somewhere in the new canon is more or less inevitable - if it has not happened already. ...but enough about that NEW TRAILER I find it interesting Han Solo has to confirm that the Jedi are real; it suggests that the Jedi still have their semi-legendary status from the original trilogy - in other words, Luke may still be the last of the Jedi (at least, for now) and even if he isn't, there probably aren't many more than him. Also, to give the line to Han Solo of all people. Fair play to them (in a series of trailers that have shied from giving us any Luke dialogue outside of a Return of the Jedi speech. Just what is up with Luke these days... has he really gone to the dark side as people wildly speculate?) $10 says some mysterious training event went wrong post RotJ (maybe it even ties in with Kylo Ren's origin?) and Luke is taking a page out of his mentors' handbooks and hermitting it up. And I maintain that the name of a planet is very different from a whole character and their general arc. I will be shocked if a Thrawn or KotOR Jedi, etc. ever gets utilized by Disney in a meaningful way.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Oct 19, 2015 21:48:56 GMT -5
And I maintain that the name of a planet is very different from a whole character and their general arc. I will be shocked if a Thrawn or KotOR Jedi, etc. ever gets utilized by Disney in a meaningful way. 'Meaningful' could mean anything though. Hell all I said might happen is a non-film source would acknowledge Kylo Ren's similarity to Revan.
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Post by Superb Owl π¦ on Oct 19, 2015 21:51:39 GMT -5
And I maintain that the name of a planet is very different from a whole character and their general arc. I will be shocked if a Thrawn or KotOR Jedi, etc. ever gets utilized by Disney in a meaningful way. 'Meaningful' could mean anything though. Hell all I said might happen is a non-film source would acknowledge Kylo Ren's similarity to Revan. Yea, that would not be meaningful by my definition, but as a kid who constantly read the essential guide to characters, I get your point.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 19, 2015 22:42:33 GMT -5
Can't talk. Too busy having emotional meltdown over Han and Leia hugging. THIS. Oh my God, this.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Oct 20, 2015 1:10:42 GMT -5
OK, Revan would never worship Vader, so I guess that's out.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 9:21:34 GMT -5
That trailer. Holy shit...
The music is the perfect combination of old and new. Han and Leia hugging, Kylo Ren's worship of Vader, Finn and Rey talking to Han on the Falcon about the "stories". Luke is going to be the big mystery...other than his voiceover in the last trailer and the brief view of (probably) his hand on R2, I bet they have to find him to learn about what happened.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 13:05:39 GMT -5
MORE SPECULATIVE SPOILERS:
With Luke probably in hiding/self-imposed exile, and Vader, Palpatine and Yoda dead, there's nobody left to teach anyone about the Jedi, so Kylo Ren may be the only person around who knows anything about it.
"The Force Awakens" in that context sounds like Finn, Rey, and others may be the first people since ROTJ to have any idea that The Force is real. So Luke becomes like Obi-Wan, hiding away, possibly observing but not intervening, and eventually passing his knowledge down.
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Post by nowimnothing on Oct 20, 2015 15:27:37 GMT -5
That trailer. Holy shit... The music is the perfect combination of old and new. Han and Leia hugging, Kylo Ren's worship of Vader, Finn and Rey talking to Han on the Falcon about the "stories". Luke is going to be the big mystery...other than his voiceover in the last trailer and the brief view of (probably) his hand on R2, I bet they have to find him to learn about what happened. I like the music but nothing hit me in the gut like it did with that first shot of the Millennium Falcon in the teaser. It looks like Han is escorting Finn and Rey to find Luke. Making the force a legend is an interesting choice and does fit with the original trilogy where it was very much on the sidelines. And that was only 19 years after the heyday of the Jedi. Add another 35? years to that and you can see how faded it would be. It probably does not hurt that even during the heyday the Jedi were still pretty mysterious and uncommon. The original E.U. probably focused too heavily on the force.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 20, 2015 15:45:45 GMT -5
The original E.U. probably focused too heavily on the force. FTFY. I mean, I did enjoy a lot of the stories, both in novels and in games, about Luke training a new generation of Jedi, and even some of the bickering over which philosophies were right, but in retrospect it makes more sense for it to fade into legend. Most of the Rebellion probably just knows that the Emperor was defeated, it might not even be common knowledge that it was a fight between Luke, Vader and Palpatine, since the Rebels blew up the Death Star anyway.
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