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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 10:58:58 GMT -5
I loved how anticlimactic that reveal was, and I think it fits with the character. He's pathetic. He's not a badass, he's an emotionally-stunted dork who happens to have extraordinary power and severe rage issues. To me, that's a way more interesting way to play him than as a genuinely cool Vader 2.0. He's a bully with a chip on his shoulder, the sort of guy who was always picked on as a kid and resents it so deeply that he'll throw a tantrum and throw things around the room if he thinks you've slighted him, or who will scream at his girlfriend for hours on end if she looks at him funny. I thought Adam Driver brought an unnervingly real quality to the character. I totally agree with the direction of the character. I absolutely loved the lightsaber tantrum where he slashed up the control panel in the first half of the movie. I just thought that the pathetic-to-rage ratio was a bit off for someone that is the child of General/Senator/Princess Leia and Han Goddamned Motherfucking Solo. Any issues with the specific actor are just something I'm going to have to get over, and hopefully my brain complies. I didn't even like Girls all that much. I think some of the Universe issues will be addressed after the initial furor over TFA dies down. It'd be great if someone in the Disney Department of Star Wars would just announce the Official Galaxy Map and release it with a few bullet points about Where and What and Why. And also give me a job.
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Post by Invisible Goat on Dec 20, 2015 12:35:25 GMT -5
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2015 13:10:28 GMT -5
Welp, that just saved me $30 in future movie tickets.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 20, 2015 13:43:27 GMT -5
If anything it seems like the empire grew a whole lot stronger after the defeat of the emperor while the rebellion became smaller. It feels like the resistance is maybe 50 people. Well there's the First Order, the Resistance and the New Republic. The last wasn't a combatant in the film, but the New Order felt that the New Republic was responsible for the Resistance within their territory, which is why they blew up those New Republic worlds with Starkiller Base.
So we kind of have a situation similar to the detente between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant in the Expanded Universe, but our story is set entirely inside Imperial space to parallel the narrative as closely as possible to the OT - the hard won successes of the OT exist offscreen somewhere while we're in Space North Korea where General Hux is talking about how the New Republic lies about them.
My first thought was PRC/ROC, with the Republic being Taiwan.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 20, 2015 13:57:05 GMT -5
We just got back. I liked it, parts of it quite a bit.
But one thing - JJ Abrams needs to stop working in a science fiction setting, because he doesn't understand interstellar distances, even on the "vaguely handwavily possible" way that the earlier movies operated under. Maybe I'm just unusually sensitive to it, but the movie acted like travel to anywhere took literally no time - which is the same problem he had in the Star Trek movies. Maybe it bugs me more than most people, but Lucas was very good and recognizing that space travel takes time, even with hyperspace.
In general, I thought the new characters were very good, and I'm going to be very happy to see new movies starring them. But I hope, and kind of expect, that this is going to be considered the weakest of the new trilogy.
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Post by pairesta on Dec 20, 2015 15:47:34 GMT -5
Saw it yesterday.
The three new leads: Poe, Rey, and Finn, are all excellent. I loved the worldbuilding of the first hour. Most of the action scenes, especially the dogfights, were superb. Kylo Ren, with helmet, was well designed. The audio on his voice was really cool; it sounded very otherwordly. The introduction of the Millenium Falcon was perfect. Most of the humor landed and it reminded me very much of what was missing in the prequels.
Once Han and Chewie show up, it hits a wall. I hated that whole standoff with the two pirate groups and those creatures they let loose. None of that felt like Star Wars and it had all the earmarks of Abrams action scene all over it. The detour to Mos Eisley lite didn't do much. I didn't like that alien with the glasses. I hated most of the creature design in the movie. None of it looked like star wars. I thought Abrams was backing off CGI so it pissed me off that so many of the creatures were CGId and looked like something out of the Hobbit or Harry Potter movies. (Snoake or whatever his name is looks like Voldemort). The First Order, once they explained who they were and we got a look behind the scenes at them, had no menace to them. I really hated almost everything to do with Kylo Ren's backstory. His confrontation with Han did nothing for me. As soon as Ford signed to do the movie, i knew Han was a dead man. But on top of that, I refuse to believe that Han fucking Solo and Leia fucking Organa raised some moody little goth kid who pouted in his room listening to The Cure and staring at posters of Darth Vader all day. There's no menace at all to this and I can't believe, after three movies of people complaining that Vader was some whiny teenager, that they went right back to the well with it for Ren. Even the other parts of the First Order seemed like cosplayers. That redheaded dude was way too young to be in charge of everything.
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Post by Tellyfier on Dec 20, 2015 15:56:04 GMT -5
Well that certainly was the best movie experience I had in years. To be fair, I hadn't been to a movie theatre since Avengers 1 and this place had reclinable chairs and footstools. I will never go to another theatre ever! And the movie was quite alright, too! Kidding, of course it was awesome and Gal and me enjoyed the hell out of it. Anyway, as in all Space related entertainment and especially Star Wars one should not think about how all of it is actually supposed to work, that's totally missing the point. But because I love being that guy, let me just rant about how incredibly stupid the concept of the Death Planet Sun Gun is! The planet must be similar to earth, as there seem to be no pressure or gravity related problems for humanoid lifeforms to have swordfights on it. Planets in general rotate around a sun and themselves. Which in turn means you can't just use your BFG half of the day anyway. But that would at least give you time to calculate when to shoot that thing, because you only get one shot into any given direction. For reference, earth is rotating around our sun whit more than 100,000 km/h. That's a very small window for an accurate shot. And even if we assume the planet is on a synchronized rotation, like earth's moon, you still only can shoot into the direction the 'dark side' of the planet is facing at that time of the day. And is is not depicted as such, that would be a world with a hot inhabitable lava land on the one side and an ice hell on the other, with a very small rim of weird life in the middle, again not scenic forests to force choke off-duty stromtroopers. It all reminds of the Nazi's late war 'Super' Guns and/or Panzers. Really impressive and potentially shelling out huge damage but nigh incredible to bring them into the right position do do so. Seriously, Empire/Dark Side/Last Order get some education programs going. If your scientists' only answer to anything, even to "We can harness a sun's power now" is "Let's build a giant gun" you might wanna check what they do with all that money on Dark Princeton.
Stray observation: Saw it dubbed in german (yeah I know but it was either that or seeing the OV in a shitty place) and I always wondered how they'd go about that: There is (or was now) no word for 'trooper' in german that is used, 'Truppe' is 'Troop' but this is one of those weird ones that has no commonly used singular version. So they went with 'Truppler' which is hilarious to hear and say.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2015 16:17:56 GMT -5
Well that certainly was the best movie experience I had in years. To be fair, I hadn't been to a movie theatre since Avengers 1 and this place had reclinable chairs and footstools. I will never go to another theatre ever! And the movie was quite alright, too! Kidding, of course it was awesome and Gal and me enjoyed the hell out of it. Anyway, as in all Space related entertainment and especially Star Wars one should not think about how all of it is actually supposed to work, that's totally missing the point. But because I love being that guy, let me just rant about how incredibly stupid the concept of the Death Planet Sun Gun is! The planet must be similar to earth, as there seem to be no pressure or gravity related problems for humanoid lifeforms to have swordfights on it. Planets in general rotate around a sun and themselves. Which in turn means you can't just use your BFG half of the day anyway. But that would at least give you time to calculate when to shoot that thing, because you only get one shot into any given direction. For reference, earth is rotating around our sun whit more than 100,000 km/h. That's a very small window for an accurate shot. And even if we assume the planet is on a synchronized rotation, like earth's moon, you still only can shoot into the direction the 'dark side' of the planet is facing at that time of the day. And is is not depicted as such, that would be a world with a hot inhabitable lava land on the one side and an ice hell on the other, with a very small rim of weird life in the middle, again not scenic forests to force choke off-duty stromtroopers. It all reminds of the Nazi's late war 'Super' Guns and/or Panzers. Really impressive and potentially shelling out huge damage but nigh incredible to bring them into the right position do do so. Seriously, Empire/Dark Side/Last Order get some education programs going. If your scientists' only answer to anything, even to "We can harness a sun's power now" is "Let's build a giant gun" you might wanna check what they do with all that money on Dark Princeton.
Stray observation: Saw it dubbed in german (yeah I know but it was either that or seeing the OV in a shitty place) and I always wondered how they'd go about that: There is (or was now) no word for 'trooper' in german that is used, 'Truppe' is 'Troop' but this is one of those weird ones that has no commonly used singular version. So they went with 'Truppler' which is hilarious to hear and say.
Movie with planet that shoots lasers at other planets accused of having unrealistic planet that shoots lasers at other planets.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2015 16:18:33 GMT -5
Given that this is pretty clearly labelled as a spoiler thread, do we really need to keep using spoiler tags?
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 16:26:55 GMT -5
Given that this is pretty clearly labelled as a spoiler thread, do we really need to keep using spoiler tags? I'd say certainly if anyone has any remotely credible spoilers re: Episodes VIII and IX.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 20, 2015 16:44:08 GMT -5
I am the most casual of Star Wars fans but am married to a huge huge fan.
But guys, what the fuck is this complaint that the movie is too competent? Have you forgotten the prequels? Some people are never happy, even when given exactly what they wanted.
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Post by Powerthirteen on Dec 20, 2015 16:44:20 GMT -5
Given that this is pretty clearly labelled as a spoiler thread, do we really need to keep using spoiler tags? I'd say certainly if anyone has any remotely credible spoilers re: Episodes VIII and IX. Poe Dameron is possessed by the spirit of Han Solo.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 17:18:38 GMT -5
Well there's the New Order, the Resistance and the New Republic. The last wasn't a combatant in the film, but the New Order felt that the New Republic was responsible for the Resistance within their territory, which is why they blew up those New Republic worlds with Starkiller Base.
So we kind of have a situation similar to the detente between the New Republic and the Imperial Remnant in the Expanded Universe, but our story is set entirely inside Imperial space to parallel the narrative as closely as possible to the OT - the hard won successes of the OT exist offscreen somewhere while we're in Space North Korea where General Hux is talking about how the New Republic lies about them.
Okay, yeah, that's a bit better but at the same time if the new order has enough resources and power to make the Death Planet and just wipe out the new republic in an instant, seems like they should have won this war already, even if that was the first time firing it. Also, the new republic fucking sucks then if it isn't helping back the resistance more than it should. To be fair, the original Republic also kind of fucking sucked.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 17:27:24 GMT -5
After a couple of days thought: other than the Xeroxed quality to the whole thing, my main complaint is JJ just doesn't get the Force. Comments about how nerfed Kylo Ren is when needed compared to his higher abilities shown elsewhere are valid. And... Rey suddenly going "oh right, The Force! I should totally try to use that!" in the middle of the lightsaber duel when Kylo mentioned it on the cliff edge... no. Just, no.
I think it was somewhat clumsily executed, but not all that different from "Use the Force, Luke, you're going to be a fucking Jedi, you don't need some shitty 1970s computer to aim guns," in ANH.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 17:38:00 GMT -5
I am the most casual of Star Wars fans but am married to a huge huge fan. But guys, what the fuck is this complaint that the movie is too competent? Have you forgotten the prequels? Some people are never happy, even when given exactly what they wanted. Is "too competent" a phrase being uttered by people who have never heard the phrase "overly slick production"? I mean, I guess that's what people would be complaining about there, even though that still seems a pretty silly complaint to me, at least.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 20, 2015 18:26:15 GMT -5
I am the most casual of Star Wars fans but am married to a huge huge fan. But guys, what the fuck is this complaint that the movie is too competent? Have you forgotten the prequels? Some people are never happy, even when given exactly what they wanted. Is "too competent" a phrase being uttered by people who have never heard the phrase "overly slick production"? I mean, I guess that's what people would be complaining about there, even though that still seems a pretty silly complaint to me, at least. Too competent isn't a direct quote though in my mind that's what it boils down to. I would say the prequels were slicker looking, with all that CGI. But I've seen complaints that the acting is too good, for instance. Simultaneously saying it's too much and not enough like the originals. Wtf.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 18:35:31 GMT -5
Is "too competent" a phrase being uttered by people who have never heard the phrase "overly slick production"? I mean, I guess that's what people would be complaining about there, even though that still seems a pretty silly complaint to me, at least. Too competent isn't a direct quote though in my mind that's what it boils down to. I would say the prequels were slicker looking, with all that CGI. But I've seen complaints that the acting is too good, for instance. Simultaneously saying it's too much and not enough like the originals. Wtf. Yeah, that is a fairly absurd complaint.
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 20, 2015 20:04:38 GMT -5
Yay, Ewan McGregor is finally in a good Star Wars movie.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Dec 20, 2015 20:08:53 GMT -5
Yay, Ewan McGregor is finally in a good Star Wars movie. ?
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Post by Lone Locust of the Apocalypse on Dec 20, 2015 20:16:02 GMT -5
Yay, Ewan McGregor is finally in a good Star Wars movie. ? He has a voice cameo in The Force Awakens as Obi Wan. It happens during Rey's vision.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 20, 2015 23:05:58 GMT -5
He has a voice cameo in The Force Awakens as Obi Wan. It happens during Rey's vision. I totally won a bet with a friend over this! Wooo! When we left, I said to him, "That was Obi-Wan Kenobi speaking to Rey in that vision scene, right?" He had no idea what I was talking about. Nah, I can pick out Ewan McGregor's voice anywhere. Even in a weird, distorted scene.
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Post by Desert Dweller on Dec 20, 2015 23:46:47 GMT -5
Okay, I've been avoiding actual spoiler-talk threads for a day because I was still sorting out what I thought about it. So, here's what I'm confused over, and what I didn't like. Using spoiler tags even though none of this has any VIII or IX info. I'm still spoiler tagging everything until Monday. Confused: So, if there's a New Republic and an even semi-functional Senate, then what is the First Order? Because they don't look like a renegade force. I find it hard to believe they are a Republic-sanctioned military. Is there not a real military in the Republic that could have quashed this? They rely on some secret Resistance group? How's the First Order being funded?
So, one of the things I really liked about the film was that it didn't try to over-explain everything. It was all, "Okay, here's some bad guys, and here are our good guys, and we're off!" Okay, that is definitely better than what the prequels did. But... this kinda seems messy to me. And if the Republic is a democracy with an elected Senate, how does blowing up one planet end that? Can't they just hold elections and form the Senate on a new planet? (And maybe form a real military this time?) That planet that blew up didn't even look like Coruscant to me, though I guess it could have been.
Just a bit hazy on all this. The key takeaway here seems to be that the Rebel Alliance was complete shit at forming a new government after Episode VI. And what I didn't like at all: I'm not liking how the emotional climax of the film is based around Han trying to reach out to a character we don't really know at all. I get that JJ and the writers didn't want to bog the film down with backstory, but we have no understanding of Han's relationship with Kylo Ren. We don't know what caused the rift. We have no idea why Kylo Ren's such a whiny brat. We don't know what he thinks he's getting from the Dark Side that Han/Leia/Luke couldn't give him....
It just seemed beyond stupid to me that Leia would even suggest that Han try to go get him back. Look, Han's previously told us in the movie that he's given up. Leia, your son is Force user who's using the Dark Side. I love Han Solo, but he's just a guy. He doesn't even understand the Force. What's he going to say or do now that will have an effect when it didn't before? We, the audience, have no connection to these relationships. There is no reason for us to think Han would be successful there. So I hate that 1. Leia suggests it and 2. Han actually tries it and 3. There seems to be no acknowledgement from Han or Leia that his son might try to kill him. Like, what universe are you characters living in?
The whole scenario seems like it exists because JJ wanted to imitate the Obi-Wan/Vader scene in the first movie and also kill off Han Solo. But, Han's not a Jedi, and he isn't the one who failed trying to train his Jedi apprentice. (Apparently Luke's the one who fucked this up.) So, this isn't quite the same. And Obi-Wan also kinda knew when he walked onto the Death Star that he might die there. I can think of no logical reason why Han would put himself in that kind of danger, and seemingly not even recognize that he was in danger. I feel like this scene is just banking on audience nostalgia for the first film and audience love of Han Solo.
Now, don't get me wrong, it isn't that I didn't like the character of Kylo Ren. I think we don't KNOW Kylo Ren. I actually liked that he seemed confused and upset. But, that just left me wondering why he's even on the Dark Side? He somehow thinks he's honoring Anakin? Does he think Anakin died still supporting the Dark Side? What goal of Anakin's does he think he's going to finish? Basically, Luke, what the HELL did you tell this kid?? Because this seems like a MAJOR screw up. And Obi-Wan, if you can speak to Rey from the dead, maybe you should hit up Kylo Ren, too. Because he seems a little confused about what really went down with Anakin Skywalker.
But without understanding WHY there was a falling out between Han and his son, the attempt at reconciliation fell completely flat for me. It felt like the movie was just imitating an iconic Star Wars scene purely to kill off Han Solo. Because reasons. Maybe this scene would work for me in the next movie or the third one. But, I needed to know more for this to have any emotional resonance.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Dec 21, 2015 0:17:50 GMT -5
Desert Dweller In regards to your confusion: I think this will be explained in the subsequent films. Absent that, I just assumed that what had been the Empire is now divided Cold War-style between two competing governments, the Republic and the First Order, with the Resistance being an analogue to the KMT insurgency or Mujahideen. I agree with you vis-a-vis Ren. Darth Vader was a great villain because he was cool. Kylo Ren has the potential to be a great villain because he's NOT cool. My biggest question is how they got Luke's original lightsaber from Bespin. But considering they could've just used Luke's green saber, I'm betting there's an in-story reason that will be explored.
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Post by pairesta on Dec 21, 2015 8:49:32 GMT -5
Okay, I've been avoiding actual spoiler-talk threads for a day because I was still sorting out what I thought about it. So, here's what I'm confused over, and what I didn't like. Using spoiler tags even though none of this has any VIII or IX info. I'm still spoiler tagging everything until Monday. I agree with both of your points completely. The political structure for both the Republic/Resistance and the First Order doesn't make sense and seem to change based on the story. Alot of it seems like a way to just reset the movies back to ANH levels so Abrams could play out his SW fantasies.
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Dec 21, 2015 9:08:14 GMT -5
OK, a few further thoughts on Kylo Ren from a very casual fan influenced by her superfan husband.
At first when he took his mask off I was like "but ... he's so not intimidating looking". Like, Adam Driver just looked ... well, like young Anakin, sort of.
I realized, though, that it was purposeful. Kylo throws temper tantrums. He doesn't have full control or finesse with the force. He's powerful, but petulant, and nobody in the order seems to fear him. So yeah, young, immature looking Adam Driver works for that.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2015 9:23:54 GMT -5
I'm just going to cut and paste what I put in the After Dark thread here:
I liked it, though I didn't love it, necessarily. I think there was a part of me trying to keep a certain distance from the film, because I didn't want to get second degree prequel burns again. I think I also was caught off guard by what they were doing with Kylo Ren at first, so I think my second viewing (currently planned for Xmas day with my wife's family) will be a bit better.
There were a few things that I thought were very good. Poe, Finn, and Rey were all excellent. The characters were fun, well-conceived, and I really look forward to spending more time with them. Driver, I think will seem better on the second viewing; like I said, I didn't think the portrayal was working initially because I thought they were doing something different with it.
The plot, though, was kind of terrible. While some of the "coincidences" in the first act probably weren't coincidences (for example, I think Han was actively looking for the Falcon on Jakku), there were so many of those in a row that it took me out of the film for a minute. There were a few too many bits that echoed the original trilogy, especially the first movie, and that got a little repetitive after a while.
And my biggest gripe is probably Abrams' non-existent grasp of science. I'm not expecting gritty, hard, sci-fi here, but it wasn't clear on any level what the Starkiller base was actually doing; it seemed to be firing a laser that hit other star systems and that third star systems could see, which didn't make any sense. Plus, he didn't seem to realize space travel actually takes time, and treated it as instantaneous - lightspeed travel was used as a gimmick twice in the movie, and I'm not sure if Abrams knew why it was there.
Also, a minor gripe: Lucas always said that these movie were the story of R2-D2 and C-3P0. Both just had glorified cameos here - though I suspect BB-8 was R2-D2 in the first draft - and it seemed kind of wrong not to see more of them. Another minor one - I would have liked to have seen more fighters; we really only got X-Wings and TIE fighters and I'd like to have gotten to see some of the other models.
But there was a lot to like about the movie. I loved getting to see Luke and Leia and Han and Chewie and Admiral Ackbar again. The new characters were great, and I'm glad we get two more movies with them. The conflict is interesting, and I want to see it expanded. And, while it bothered me at first to have Luke limited to a wordless cameo, I realized after a while that anything else would have pretty much demanded that he take over the whole movie.
I'd place it very firmly above the prequels and below the original trilogy. I think Abrams clearly is preternaturally good at casting, but he doesn't really think about how things work, and that limits his effectiveness at worldbuilding. There are a lot of things this movie has in common with both of his Star Trek movies, for good and bad. And that tells me that I think I like the idea of Abrams involved, if only for casting, but that it's a good thing he isn't directing any more of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 10:15:56 GMT -5
And my biggest gripe is probably Abrams' non-existent grasp of science. I'm not expecting gritty, hard, sci-fi here, but it wasn't clear on any level what the Starkiller base was actually doing; it seemed to be firing a laser that hit other star systems and that third star systems could see, which didn't make any sense. Plus, he didn't seem to realize space travel actually takes time, and treated it as instantaneous - lightspeed travel was used as a gimmick twice in the movie, and I'm not sure if Abrams knew why it was there. This is probably the thing that most concerns me about JJ, and hopefully will be curtailed in future SW films. The point in Star Trek where Kirk and Spock just happen to be marooned and are able to witness the destruction of Vulcan from some moon apparently about as far away as our moon is to Earth was mind-numbingly dumb (in a movie I otherwise really liked), and How It Should Have Ended pointed out how stupid the "interstellar transporter" idea was in Into Darkness, making starships completely obsolete. To be fair, the Star Wars movies have always been a little light on travel time, especially compared with the Star Wars novels, which frequently talk about how many days or weeks you have to be in hyperspace.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Dec 21, 2015 10:44:43 GMT -5
To be fair, the Star Wars movies have always been a little light on travel time, especially compared with the Star Wars novels, which frequently talk about how many days or weeks you have to be in hyperspace. True, but even in Star Wars you had that extended hyperspace travel after Mos Eisley where Kenobi had time to give Luke some Jedi training. And the clock in the end battle was how long it took the Death Star just to clear a moon, not a recharge time on a weapon. Lucas did a very good job of making it clear that this stuff took a fair amount of time.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2015 10:51:29 GMT -5
And my biggest gripe is probably Abrams' non-existent grasp of science. I'm not expecting gritty, hard, sci-fi here, but it wasn't clear on any level what the Starkiller base was actually doing; it seemed to be firing a laser that hit other star systems and that third star systems could see, which didn't make any sense. Plus, he didn't seem to realize space travel actually takes time, and treated it as instantaneous - lightspeed travel was used as a gimmick twice in the movie, and I'm not sure if Abrams knew why it was there. This is probably the thing that most concerns me about JJ, and hopefully will be curtailed in future SW films. The point in Star Trek where Kirk and Spock just happen to be marooned and are able to witness the destruction of Vulcan from some moon apparently about as far away as our moon is to Earth was mind-numbingly dumb (in a movie I otherwise really liked), and How It Should Have Ended pointed out how stupid the "interstellar transporter" idea was in Into Darkness, making starships completely obsolete. To be fair, the Star Wars movies have always been a little light on travel time, especially compared with the Star Wars novels, which frequently talk about how many days or weeks you have to be in hyperspace. What bothers me about this is that it is SUCH an easy fix. Instead of "Rey and Chewie enter hyperspace - cut to shot of Falcon in hyperspace- cut to Falcon exiting hyperspace near Mystery Planet- cut to Rey and Chewie basically with Rey's hand still on the throttle" you could just have an alarm go off and Rey wakes up as the ship exits hyperspace, maybe while Chewie and R2 are idly tinkering with something. Time has passed. Done.
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Post by nowimnothing on Dec 21, 2015 10:53:01 GMT -5
I liked that Kylo Ren is intentionally made both a true image of Anakin Skywalker (emotionally stunted, overpowered, bratty child) and a pathetic shadow of Darth Vader (none of the First Order really seem to go "ohhhhh shit" when Kylo gets shirty the way they did when Vader was looking to add to the Dead Admiral Pile) I also liked that the First Order are more in the driver's seat than Ren is. While this supersedes the Thrawn stuff, it's nice that some thin echo of it plays out like this. Losing the Thrawn and the Legacy stuff are the only bits of the old EU I miss. And I was really happy that we had a bunch of Stormtrooper variants, and they were somewhat competent this go-round. I half expected Finn to make a crack about how much easier it was to shoot with the helmet off. He was blasting away like crazy in the second battle.
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