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Post by LazBro on Oct 24, 2017 12:56:19 GMT -5
Dick Tracy is absolutely the best '90s comic book movie and might actually be the best one full-stop. I cannot condone this. I mean in the 90s alone, Batman Returns exists. Plus, Men In Black, Mystery Men are based on comics. Shit, the goddamned Rocketeer. That starred peak Jennifer Connelly and Billy Campbell's floppy hair! Plus, I think you may have just outed yourself as Warren Beatty. Nice try, Warren. No grassroots critical re-examination for you. Where does the zeitgeist land on Batman Returns these days? I honestly don't know if it'd be more unpopular to say you liked it or didn't like it.
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Post by chalkdevil's night ๐ on Oct 24, 2017 13:07:35 GMT -5
I cannot condone this. I mean in the 90s alone, Batman Returns exists. Plus, Men In Black, Mystery Men are based on comics. Shit, the goddamned Rocketeer. That starred peak Jennifer Connelly and Billy Campbell's floppy hair! Plus, I think you may have just outed yourself as Warren Beatty. Nice try, Warren. No grassroots critical re-examination for you. Where does the zeitgeist land on Batman Returns these days? I honestly don't know if it'd be more unpopular to say you liked it or didn't like it. I think we're not supposed to like it now. Maybe because Danny Devito's Penguin is pretty horrifying and Batman is kinda a secondary character in his own movie. I dunno. I liked as a kid and I like it now. Michelle Pfieffer is fantastic. I liked Devito in it. Anyway, Batman gets kid of boring. His parents died. He's a ninja billionaire who punches people in the dark. I mean we get it. Villains are where it's at.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Oct 24, 2017 13:33:16 GMT -5
Where does the zeitgeist land on Batman Returns these days? I honestly don't know if it'd be more unpopular to say you liked it or didn't like it. I think we're not supposed to like it now. Maybe because Danny Devito's Penguin is pretty horrifying and Batman is kinda a secondary character in his own movie. I dunno. I liked as a kid and I like it now. Michelle Pfieffer is fantastic. I liked Devito in it. Anyway, Batman gets kid of boring. His parents died. He's a ninja billionaire who punches people in the dark. I mean we get it. Villains are where it's at. I watched it recently and thought it was kind of embarrassing. It seemed like someone trying to make an EXTREME! version of the Adam West show. The performances weren't bad, but the script was terrible.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2017 14:29:44 GMT -5
Dick Tracyย is absolutely the best '90s comic book movie and might actually be the best one full-stop. Batman Mask of the Phantasm
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Post by d๏ผฌแต on Oct 25, 2017 0:12:20 GMT -5
I'm going to argue that Men In Black doesn't really count as a comic book movie since the series was highly obscure and (from what little I've seen) pretty shitty.
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Post by chalkdevil's night ๐ on Oct 25, 2017 9:49:30 GMT -5
Anyone want to go to bat for The Crow? No? As a young, proto-goth, 13-year-old me wanted to like that movie way more than I actually did. Still a great soundtrack though...
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Post by Lurky McLurk on Oct 26, 2017 10:21:17 GMT -5
Anyone want to go to bat for The Crow? No? As a young, proto-goth, 13-year-old me wanted to like that movie way more than I actually did. Still a great soundtrack though... A gothy 17-year-old me thought it was great. I haven't seen it in a while. I suspect I would now enjoy it as a B-movie (with a doubleplus good soundtrack) while recognising that it has various flaws.
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Post by chalkdevil's night ๐ on Oct 26, 2017 12:06:04 GMT -5
Anyone want to go to bat for The Crow? No? As a young, proto-goth, 13-year-old me wanted to like that movie way more than I actually did. Still a great soundtrack though... A gothy 17-year-old me thought it was great. I haven't seen it in a while. I suspect I would now enjoy it as a B-movie (with a doubleplus good soundtrack) while recognising that it has various flaws. I haven't seen it in a while either but I seem to remember it being kind of a mess plot wise. Great visuals but the story didn't really make a lot of sense. I suppose having your lead actor die midway through shooting doesn't help. I mean, I know Alex Proyas can put together a great movie (see Dark City), but more often then not they are kind of shit (see any other David Proyas directed film). Side note: In researching this post, I was reminded of the existence of the 4th film in The Crow series, 2005's The Crow: Wicked Prayer. That sucker starred Edward Furlong, Tara Reid, David Boreanaz, and Dennis Hopper(?!?), who I guess needed money to support his crippling PBR habit.
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Post by Lurky McLurk on Oct 27, 2017 8:31:51 GMT -5
A gothy 17-year-old me thought it was great. I haven't seen it in a while. I suspect I would now enjoy it as a B-movie (with a doubleplus good soundtrack) while recognising that it has various flaws. I haven't seen it in a while either but I seem to remember it being kind of a mess plot wise. Great visuals but the story didn't really make a lot of sense. I suppose having your lead actor die midway through shooting doesn't help. I mean, I know Alex Proyas can put together a great movie (see Dark City), but more often then not they are kind of shit (see any other David Proyas directed film). I actually have the opposite reaction for the story. I'd say it's too straightforward. For me the plot is very A to B to C (oh no, a reversal in fortune, what a shock!) to D (ah, it's fine).
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Post by MarkInTexas on Oct 27, 2017 12:10:36 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was).
Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has.
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Post by Jimmy James on Oct 27, 2017 12:46:23 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was). Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. I was about to reply just to reference how Ernie Hudson has already seen shit that will turn you white in his previous job, so one ghost is hardly worth getting worked up about. But the second point bears mentioning as well. Hocus Pocus came out, my mom rented it, it was adequately entertaining as an eight-year-old, and then I forgot about it. Somewhere in the last ten years the internet decided, ohmigodyewguise, we have to watch Hocus Pocus this Halloween! I was not consulted on its addition to the cult canon, and if I had been, I probably would have voted against it. Me, I prefer to observe the holiday with Army of Darkness or The Thing, same as Memorial Day, Valentine's Day, or the Feast of St. Cyprian of Antioch.
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Post by chalkdevil's night ๐ on Oct 27, 2017 14:14:33 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was). Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. Yeah, I pretty sure I saw Hocus Pocus when it came out and then never again. Apparently the 90s kids decided it was the only Halloween movie worth watching. I myself go with The Addams Family. For unpopular opinions, I never really got into Nightmare Before Christmas. I've watched it a couple of times but it didn't take. Not sure why. Also, Nightmare in sort of the horror-Christmas genre. So, at Halloween I feel it's too soon to watch a film that primarily takes place during Christmas, despite the monsters and general ooky characters. Like Gremlins.
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Post by LazBro on Oct 27, 2017 14:29:04 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was). Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. Yeah, I pretty sure I saw Hocus Pocus when it came out and then never again. Apparently the 90s kids decided it was the only Halloween movie worth watching. I myself go with The Addams Family. For unpopular opinions, I never really got into Nightmare Before Christmas. I've watched it a couple of times but it didn't take. Not sure why. Also, Nightmare in sort of the horror-Christmas genre. So, at Halloween I feel it's too soon to watch a film that primarily takes place during Christmas, despite the monsters and general ooky characters. Like Gremlins. This was my thought (though I love the movie and will not hear a word against it). While it stars Halloween characters, I think of it as a Christmas movie.
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Post by The Sensational She-Hulk on Oct 27, 2017 17:04:32 GMT -5
Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. Yeah, I pretty sure I saw Hocus Pocus when it came out and then never again. Apparently the 90s kids decided it was the only Halloween movie worth watching. I myself go with The Addams Family. For unpopular opinions, I never really got into Nightmare Before Christmas. I've watched it a couple of times but it didn't take. Not sure why. Also, Nightmare in sort of the horror-Christmas genre. So, at Halloween I feel it's too soon to watch a film that primarily takes place during Christmas, despite the monsters and general ooky characters. Like Gremlins. Hard same. I've seen Hocus Pocus - as a kid, even - and I don't think it's all that good, and I don't get the weird nostalgia for it. The Addams Family is truly hilarious, though, and it's super underrated. Nightmare Before Christmas is cute, but that's about it, to me.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 27, 2017 18:16:31 GMT -5
The Addams Family is truly hilarious, though, and it's super underrated. Addams Family Values is the better film.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Oct 27, 2017 22:04:19 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was). Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. Yeah, I pretty sure I saw Hocus Pocus when it came out and then never again. Apparently the 90s kids decided it was the only Halloween movie worth watching. I myself go with The Addams Family. For unpopular opinions, I never really got into Nightmare Before Christmas. I've watched it a couple of times but it didn't take. Not sure why. Also, Nightmare in sort of the horror-Christmas genre. So, at Halloween I feel it's too soon to watch a film that primarily takes place during Christmas, despite the monsters and general ooky characters. Like Gremlins. I remember being really disappointed when I finally saw Nightmare Before Christmas as a kid after a couple of years of seeing previews for it on VHS tapes of other Disney films. It's got a cool visual aesthetic, but isn't a very good movie.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Oct 30, 2017 14:30:06 GMT -5
The Addams Family is truly hilarious, though, and it's super underrated. Addams Family Values is the better film. I won't flat-out disagree, but it does depend on what you're in the mood for. Sometimes I want con artists trying to steal the Addams fortune and desperate Gomez calling Sally Jesse Raphael; sometimes I want Joan Cusack as a thwarted gold-digger and the most beautiful Thanksgiving pageant to ever be put on film. And honestly I'm not sure I've ever seen Nightmare Before Christmas all the way through.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 30, 2017 18:07:54 GMT -5
Addams Family Values is the better film. I won't flat-out disagree, but it does depend on what you're in the mood for. Sometimes I want con artists trying to steal the Addams fortune and desperate Gomez calling Sally Jesse Raphael; sometimes I want Joan Cusack as a thwarted gold-digger and the most beautiful Thanksgiving pageant to ever be put on film. And honestly I'm not sure I've ever seen Nightmare Before Christmas all the way through. The original film was just waaay too much of building-blocks, you know? The sequel, you just launch RIGHT in, and the reduction in writers (the sequel was written by the uncredited script doctor on the first film) makes the damn script SHINE.
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Post by DangOlJimmyITellYouWhat on Oct 30, 2017 20:50:10 GMT -5
I won't flat-out disagree, but it does depend on what you're in the mood for. Sometimes I want con artists trying to steal the Addams fortune and desperate Gomez calling Sally Jesse Raphael; sometimes I want Joan Cusack as a thwarted gold-digger and the most beautiful Thanksgiving pageant to ever be put on film. And honestly I'm not sure I've ever seen Nightmare Before Christmas all the way through. The original film was just waaay too much of building-blocks, you know? The sequel, you just launch RIGHT in, and the reduction in writers (the sequel was written by the uncredited script doctor on the first film) makes the damn script SHINE. See, I love the first one cause it hits all the points of the TV show,which is 100% what I wanted it to be.
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Post by Mr. Greene's October Surprise on Oct 30, 2017 21:00:05 GMT -5
The original film was just waaay too much of building-blocks, you know? The sequel, you just launch RIGHT in, and the reduction in writers (the sequel was written by the uncredited script doctor on the first film) makes the damn script SHINE. See, I love the first one cause it hits all the points of the TV show,which is 100% what I wanted it to be. See, I didn't grow up with the TV show, really. I grew up with the MOVIES -- in particular, the second movie.
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Post by Pastafarian on Oct 30, 2017 22:37:35 GMT -5
I remember exactly one thing about The Crow: how nonplussed Ernie Hudson's cop was after he figured out that Brandon Lee's character was a ghost (or whatever he was). Speaking of movies loved by goths, I'm annoyed that the 1993 Disney film about Halloween that has become an inescapable cult classic this time of year is Hocus Pocus, instead of The Nightmare Before Christmas. Obviously, Nightmare is hardly forgotten, and has plenty of fans, but to a large extent, hasn't become the Halloween staple that the inferior Pocus has. Hocus Pocus became a cult classic? That piece of garbage I saw 25 years ago and disliked then even though back then I pretty much liked everything? I will never get people.
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Nov 1, 2017 1:16:52 GMT -5
Voice-over narration is not a cop-out, a crutch, or a stain on a film's value when it's done right, any more than a music score, a close-up, or an acrobatic one-take camera movement is. Not liking voice-over is like not liking a song with lyrics. I just saw "Brief Encounter" for the second time. It's a complete movie, with fine performances, precise dialogue, great cinematography, and an overwhelming music score (Rachmaninoff). But that voice-over narration, that's what really puts you in the leading lady's world. All the finely-calibrated guilt and pleasure, the half-hearted insults at those who interrupt intimate moments, the longing, the restraint. If an actor gives a restrained performance he or she gets accused of being wooden. The gently lisping voice-over lets us in. And what of the most acclaimed film of all, "Citizen Kane"? A hilarious voice-over which parodies newsreel announcers tells us the entire plot within the first 20 minutes. It's a lark and a laugh, and it allows the rest of the film to bend time to its will. (See "Goodfellas" for a similar usage.) And what if you're John Huston and you're adapting one of the great literary works of the English language, "The Dead"? Our protagonist looks out the window and sees snow falling on everything. Damn right he's going to think, and damn right you're going to read that passage out loud in voice-over. A great voice-over can result in a great film. Can people reading newspapers with headlines that absurdly specific in ways that are relevant to the plot still result in a great film in the year 2017 C.E., though? Only if this is the headline:
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Post by ComradePig on Nov 1, 2017 21:04:16 GMT -5
The opening farmhouse scene in Inglourious Bastards is good and all but there's like three other overly long dialogue scenes in said movie that feel like they're just recycling the same shtick with diminishing returns.
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Post by kitchin on Nov 2, 2017 19:17:26 GMT -5
The opening farmhouse scene in Inglourious Bastards is good and all but there's like three other overly long dialogue scenes in said movie that feel like they're just recycling the same shtick with diminishing returns. Just the subject I came here to discuss tonight: Brad Pitt WWII Movies: worth a completionist effort?. Hey, has this ever happened to you? You're watching a Brad Pitt WWII movie and you realized you may have completed the cycle. As far as I know, that goes: * Inglorious Basterds * Fury * Allied (also for Marion Cotillard war movie completionists*) And let's not forget... * Seven Years in Tibet Epix the cable channel recently tricked me into watching Allied, as I was browsing on-demand and it said October 31 was the end for it. The next day it became a "new" offering again. Still I'm glad I watched the film. It's no more hokey than a Bogart piece, a bit more clumsy, and more up front with actors appealing to the camera. By my lights, Fury is by far the best film of the bunch, but I have a penchant for movies that are like plays, which some people hate. It harkens back to the few films like Battleground (1947) and the early 1960's TV imitator, Combat!, that avoid all officer command meetings. While Fury has one low-level command meeting, those shows had none. They were all on-the-ground perspective, skipping the typical scenes of colonels chewing cigars over maps in chateaus. And the romance is well placed and quite age-aware (unlike most Hollywoo fare), and, well, spoilers I'll leave out. * Cotillard does not make a lot of films. She has about one per war: Napoleonic, First, Second, and post-apocalyptic. Plus the Edith Piaf movie.
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Post by Mindymoo, Human Bradypus on Nov 3, 2017 16:04:50 GMT -5
I think that Requiem for a Dream is overrated, unwatchable trash. It's the longest, most expensive, unrealistic DARE ad ever made. Seriously, the whole thing was just anti-drug agitprop, and not well done agitprop at all. But the thing that bothered me most of all was not this magical heroin shortage, not that a white girl's rock bottom was having sex with a black guy for drugs, it wasn't the unrealistic bullshit of a guy's gangrenous arm being ignored while he was in jail, only to have it amputated without anesthetic of any sort because he was a junkie, it was that when you use opiates/opioids, your pupils constrict, not dilate. And how many shots were there of them shooting up showing pupils dilating? Words cannot express how much I absolutely fucking loathe that movie.
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Post by songstarliner on Nov 3, 2017 20:02:38 GMT -5
Mindymoo, Human Bradypus YES I've been saying that for years. Want to make a heart-rending movie about junkies? Do some goddamned research on the subject. And how in the world did the film go all through filming and editing with no one noticing that glaring mistake?? Ridiculous. As for the rest of the film ... in general, I'm not a fan of misery-porn; I get angry when I feel like my emotions are being manipulated, especially by a film that hasn't earned it. I thought some of the Ellen Burstyn stuff was good (because she's so great), but the rest of it was Not For Me.
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Post by Delicious Waffle on Nov 3, 2017 20:34:08 GMT -5
This one always pops into my head when I think of things everyone loves and I hate: Pacific Rim.
I knew people who just lost their mind over it when it came out but I found it visually dark, boring for long stretches, painfully unfunny and cliched to hell and back. I couldn't suspend my disbelief, which is a bad thing in a movie like that. Watching it felt like watching Big Bang Theory where it was a dumb person's idea of what smart people or like but this was dumb people's idea of what a sci fi movie was. And I wanted to like it! But dang it, movie, you introduced a five armed robot which sounded utterly badass and then NEVER LET US SEE IT FIGHT. I don't like being teased like that.
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Nov 3, 2017 21:44:45 GMT -5
I think that Requiem for a Dream is overrated, unwatchable trash. It's the longest, most expensive, unrealistic DARE ad ever made. Seriously, the whole thing was just anti-drug agitprop, and not well done agitprop at all. But the thing that bothered me most of all was not this magical heroin shortage, not that a white girl's rock bottom was having sex with a black guy for drugs, it wasn't the unrealistic bullshit of a guy's gangrenous arm being ignored while he was in jail, only to have it amputated without anesthetic of any sort because he was a junkie, it was that when you use opiates/opioids, your pupils constrict, not dilate. And how many shots were there of them shooting up showing pupils dilating? Words cannot express how much I absolutely fucking loathe that movie. I've never seen Requiem for a Dream, but after watching the cliched, unsubtle unduly lauded The Fountain, I have no desire to watch anymore of Idon'trememberhisname's movies. Also, I really hope those movies were in fact both by the same director, because if not, this comment really doesn't make much sense.
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Nov 4, 2017 21:47:56 GMT -5
This one always pops into my head when I think of things everyone loves and I hate: Pacific Rim. I knew people who just lost their mind over it when it came out but I found it visually dark, boring for long stretches, painfully unfunny and cliched to hell and back. I couldn't suspend my disbelief, which is a bad thing in a movie like that. Watching it felt like watching Big Bang Theory where it was a dumb person's idea of what smart people or like but this was dumb people's idea of what a sci fi movie was. And I wanted to like it! But dang it, movie, you introduced a five armed robot which sounded utterly badass and then NEVER LET US SEE IT FIGHT. I don't like being teased like that. Additionally, I watched it in 3-D, and the only scene that looked good at all was when the two humans were fighting each other with bo-sticks. The robots and monsters? I could hardly even make out what was going on in 3-D.
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Post by Kangaroosevelt-Ecks on Nov 4, 2017 22:23:26 GMT -5
I think that Requiem for a Dream is overrated, unwatchable trash. It's the longest, most expensive, unrealistic DARE ad ever made. Seriously, the whole thing was just anti-drug agitprop, and not well done agitprop at all. But the thing that bothered me most of all was not this magical heroin shortage, not that a white girl's rock bottom was having sex with a black guy for drugs, it wasn't the unrealistic bullshit of a guy's gangrenous arm being ignored while he was in jail, only to have it amputated without anesthetic of any sort because he was a junkie, it was that when you use opiates/opioids, your pupils constrict, not dilate. And how many shots were there of them shooting up showing pupils dilating? Words cannot express how much I absolutely fucking loathe that movie. I've never seen Requiem for a Dream, but after watching the cliched, unsubtle unduly lauded The Fountain, I have no desire to watch anymore of Idon'trememberhisname's movies. Also, I really hope those movies were in fact both by the same director, because if not, this comment really doesn't make much sense. I loved The Fountain as a wildly impressionable teen. I have no real want to watch it again nowadays - best to keep the memories pure on a few things. Unimpeachable OST though.
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