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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 15, 2016 1:07:30 GMT -5
Speaking of how bizarre the concept of Disney talking animals is, were there any Plutos in this film? Also, the main thing that I remember about The Goofy Movie was that at one point there's a pizza with particularly stringy cheese, which I've always found oddly disgusting. The fact that some of the cheese on the pizza is going to be like 40 degrees colder than the rest of the food that one is eating is not appetizing. It probably isn't fair of me, however, to hate a film I haven't seen since I was a small child on this sole basis. It didn't bother you that Max's new "cool" friend was Pauly Shore? What is a Pauly Shore? And was Max the son character? |
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Post by Nudeviking on Jun 15, 2016 1:45:36 GMT -5
It didn't bother you that Max's new "cool" friend was Pauly Shore? What is a Pauly Shore? And was Max the son character? THIS IS PAULY SHORE. As for your second question I do not know as I have never seen a Goofy Movie. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2016 3:32:27 GMT -5
X-men: Days of Future Past is just as good as the Dark Knight. Maybe better. I completely endorse this. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2016 3:33:53 GMT -5
I will defend Only God Forgives as an anti-macho culture masterpiece until I die.
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Post by Douay-Rheims-Challoner on Jun 15, 2016 7:21:18 GMT -5
Is that third person also a director? One of the greatest and certainly the most famous of the Russian directors of the silent era; if you've heard of any film from this period, it's probably Battleship Potemkin, and that's his. I will defend Only God Forgives as an anti-macho culture masterpiece until I die. Agreed. An utterly beautifully entrancing, impotent film. I can't wait for Neon Demon. |
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Post by heroboy on Jun 15, 2016 10:16:53 GMT -5
Also, while we're on the topic of unconventional favorite Disney movies, I vote that The Brave Little Toaster is the best non-Pixar Disney movie (even though it's only sort of kind of a Disney movie). There is literally no reason that it should exist; it is surreal and creepy and tonally weird and makes no sense at all and has a terrible rap song about the superiority of household appliances of the 1980s, which all somehow makes it all the more amazing. Gah, my Username/Comment Synergy Meter just exploded. |
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Post by Sanziana on Jun 15, 2016 12:24:46 GMT -5
Douay-Rheims-Challoner Me too! All those pretty, pretty colours. I heard it got booed heavily at Cannes. That's always a great sign.
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Post by songstarliner on Jun 15, 2016 15:06:29 GMT -5
Also, while we're on the topic of unconventional favorite Disney movies, I vote that The Brave Little Toaster is the best non-Pixar Disney movie (even though it's only sort of kind of a Disney movie). There is literally no reason that it should exist; it is surreal and creepy and tonally weird and makes no sense at all and has a terrible rap song about the superiority of household appliances of the 1980s, which all somehow makes it all the more amazing. Written by Thomas M Disch, a pretty brilliant science-fiction author and poet. Definitely worth seeking out his grown-up fiction, especially the short stories.  |
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Post by repulsionist on Jun 15, 2016 15:17:28 GMT -5
Also, while we're on the topic of unconventional favorite Disney movies, I vote that The Brave Little Toaster is the best non-Pixar Disney movie (even though it's only sort of kind of a Disney movie). There is literally no reason that it should exist; it is surreal and creepy and tonally weird and makes no sense at all and has a terrible rap song about the superiority of household appliances of the 1980s, which all somehow makes it all the more amazing. Written by Thomas M Disch, a pretty brilliant science-fiction author and poet. Definitely worth seeking out his grown-up fiction, especially the short stories. *geek squee* Oooh-ooh, mee too mee too! Thomas Disch serves as gateway to a facet of New Wave Science Fiction that ends up at John Sladek and carries over to ...Moorcock |
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Post by songstarliner on Jun 15, 2016 15:24:53 GMT -5
repulsionist Poor Thomas Disch. I mean, I get why he did it, but I still cried. From wikipedia: In an interview just ten days before his death, Disch said, "I write poetry because I think it is the hardest thing I can do well. And so I simply enjoy the doing of it, as an equestrian enjoys spending time on a good horse. Poetry is my good horse."
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Post by Jean-Luc Lemur on Jun 16, 2016 12:24:22 GMT -5
I am very glad they animated the blanket’s face as being on the little electric control knob in the film—it’s so freaky and haunting on the book cover. |
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Post by ganews on Jun 18, 2016 21:32:06 GMT -5
Surely others must have felt that the titular composition from Mr. Holland's Opus, though its performance was the emotional climax to a great movie, wasn't actually very good.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 19, 2016 1:41:36 GMT -5
Surely others must have felt that the titular composition from Mr. Holland's Opus, though its performance was the emotional climax to a great movie, wasn't actually very good. Such is the nature of in-universe genius. If it was that good, they would have just made the thing instead of the movie. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 4:59:10 GMT -5
Lion King was nothing special.
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Jun 19, 2016 5:38:42 GMT -5
Also, while we're on the topic of unconventional favorite Disney movies, I vote that The Brave Little Toaster is the best non-Pixar Disney movie (even though it's only sort of kind of a Disney movie). There is literally no reason that it should exist; it is surreal and creepy and tonally weird and makes no sense at all and has a terrible rap song about the superiority of household appliances of the 1980s, which all somehow makes it all the more amazing. Brave Little Toaster is fucking TERRIFYING. |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Jun 19, 2016 5:43:06 GMT -5
I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but everyone always seems to hate Kevin Costner's period of overlong, sentimental, nonsensical and sometimes self-directed movies, from, say, Field of Dreams to The Postman. I've never seen The Postman, but I like all the others. Field of Dreams, Robin Hood, Dances With Wolves...even Waterworld. Waterworld is stupid fun.
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Post by Ice Cream Planet on Jun 19, 2016 7:15:27 GMT -5
Katharine Hepburn's best performances were in her comedies. Her drama performances weren't all that.
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Jun 19, 2016 10:03:29 GMT -5
Lion King was nothing special. I remember seeing it on VHS as a kid and thinking, "That's it? This is what my friends have gone so crazy for?" It's not that I dislike the movie or think it was bad, but ever since then I've never understood why people love it so much. But I'm not really a fan of Elton John and Hamlet isn't my favorite Shakespeare play, so. I did really enjoy the Timon and Pumbaa TV series, though. It was stupid and relied on a lot of fart jokes, but at least it didn't pretend to be anything other than a stupid comedy cartoon. |
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Post by LazBro on Jun 19, 2016 10:39:33 GMT -5
I'm not sure how unpopular this is, but everyone always seems to hate Kevin Costner's period of overlong, sentimental, nonsensical and sometimes self-directed movies, from, say, Field of Dreams to The Postman. I've never seen The Postman, but I like all the others. Field of Dreams, Robin Hood, Dances With Wolves...even Waterworld. Waterworld is stupid fun. Waterworld is great. Dennis Hopper chews that motherfucker up! (I liked The Postman, too, but I only saw it the once when it first came to video. These days I bet I'd find it boring.) |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 19, 2016 12:49:32 GMT -5
Lion King was nothing special. I remember seeing it on VHS as a kid and thinking, "That's it? This is what my friends have gone so crazy for?" It's not that I dislike the movie or think it was bad, but ever since then I've never understood why people love it so much. But I'm not really a fan of Elton John and Hamlet isn't my favorite Shakespeare play, so. I did really enjoy the Timon and Pumbaa TV series, though. It was stupid and relied on a lot of fart jokes, but at least it didn't pretend to be anything other than a stupid comedy cartoon. was the first movie I ever saw in the theater, and that's how it was meant to be seen. Not shrunken down with the sides cut off to fit your TV. What are your feelings on the film relative to Pocahontas? For Jeffrey Katzenberg, The Lion King was meant to be a minor distraction for the public while they worked on Pocahontas, which he was sure would be the highest-grossing film and win best picture. |
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Post by The Stuffingtacular She-Hulk on Jun 19, 2016 13:13:45 GMT -5
I remember seeing it on VHS as a kid and thinking, "That's it? This is what my friends have gone so crazy for?" It's not that I dislike the movie or think it was bad, but ever since then I've never understood why people love it so much. But I'm not really a fan of Elton John and Hamlet isn't my favorite Shakespeare play, so. I did really enjoy the Timon and Pumbaa TV series, though. It was stupid and relied on a lot of fart jokes, but at least it didn't pretend to be anything other than a stupid comedy cartoon. was the first movie I ever saw in the theater, and that's how it was meant to be seen. Not shrunken down with the sides cut off to fit your TV. What are your feelings on the film relative to Pocahontas? For Jeffrey Katzenberg, The Lion King was meant to be a minor distraction for the public while they worked on Pocahontas, which he was sure would be the highest-grossing film and win best picture. I hate Pocahontas. At the time it came out, I was already well versed in the true story, and I was also old enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by its whitewashing of history. It's also just not a very good movie in itself. The story is weak, the animal sidekick characters aren't cute or funny enough to justify their presence, and the songs are pretty boring aside from "Colors of the Wind". The older I get, the more uncomfortable I am that John Smith was presented as her love interest, because of what a thoroughly disgusting asshole he was in real life. |
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Post by ganews on Jun 19, 2016 14:45:45 GMT -5
I hated Disney's "The Hunchback of Notre Dame", probably because I was in middle school and Disney didn't kill everyone in the end. Frollo's villain song was good, though.
The Princess and the Frog > Tangled > Frozen
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 19, 2016 17:35:04 GMT -5
The Lion King was the first movie I ever saw in the theater, and that's how it was meant to be seen. Not shrunken down with the sides cut off to fit your TV. What are your feelings on the film relative to Pocahontas? For Jeffrey Katzenberg, The Lion King was meant to be a minor distraction for the public while they worked on Pocahontas, which he was sure would be the highest-grossing film and win best picture. I hate Pocahontas. At the time it came out, I was already well versed in the true story, and I was also old enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by its whitewashing of history. It's also just not a very good movie in itself. The story is weak, the animal sidekick characters aren't cute or funny enough to justify their presence, and the songs are pretty boring aside from "Colors of the Wind". The older I get, the more uncomfortable I am that John Smith was presented as her love interest, because of what a thoroughly disgusting asshole he was in real life. John Smith probably never met Pocahontas; only claiming to have done so after she became famous. And he certainly wasn't handsome. Lindsay Ellis joked that the film came off like he wrote the screenplay. Yeah, it was Katzenberg's attempt at getting taken seriously after Beauty and the Beast got a Best Picture nod. The choice to make the animation style more realistic, to have the animals not talk, and to have the native characters be as respectfully stoic and dull as possible reflects this goal. By 1992, the film was still far enough from the start of production that Katzenberg could mandate it into Oscar Bait. (in a similar but opposite move, he had them insert Those Fucking Gargoyles into The Hunchback of Notre Dame to make it more commercial) On the one hand, that is craven and exploitative. On the other hand, having Pocahontas be more like Beauty and the Beast and Aladdin almost certainly would have been worse.The ultimate effect was that Disney wouldn't fully recover financially or critically until Frozen came out (Eisner's cheapening of the brand through the aforementioned DisneyToon knockoff sequels, the decision to arbitrarily group all female protagonist into "Disney Princess" merchandising, and pretty much everything else he ever did didn't help), and Katzenberg was passed over to succeed Frank Wells as company president, leading him to found Dreamworks Animation and spend the next several years making movies as a personal fuck-you to Disney. |
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Post by Paleu on Jun 19, 2016 17:38:34 GMT -5
The Lion King was the first movie I ever saw in the theater, and that's how it was meant to be seen. Not shrunken down with the sides cut off to fit your TV. What are your feelings on the film relative to Pocahontas? For Jeffrey Katzenberg, The Lion King was meant to be a minor distraction for the public while they worked on Pocahontas, which he was sure would be the highest-grossing film and win best picture. I hate Pocahontas. At the time it came out, I was already well versed in the true story, and I was also old enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by its whitewashing of history. It's also just not a very good movie in itself. The story is weak, the animal sidekick characters aren't cute or funny enough to justify their presence, and the songs are pretty boring aside from "Colors of the Wind". The older I get, the more uncomfortable I am that John Smith was presented as her love interest, because of what a thoroughly disgusting asshole he was in real life. What leads you to the conclusion that Smith was thoroughly disgusting? Everything I've read about the guy leads me to think he's probably the best Jamestown colonist, though that's not exactly a hard title to earn (so many lazy, foppish assholes!). |
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 19, 2016 17:41:56 GMT -5
I hate Pocahontas. At the time it came out, I was already well versed in the true story, and I was also old enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by its whitewashing of history. It's also just not a very good movie in itself. The story is weak, the animal sidekick characters aren't cute or funny enough to justify their presence, and the songs are pretty boring aside from "Colors of the Wind". The older I get, the more uncomfortable I am that John Smith was presented as her love interest, because of what a thoroughly disgusting asshole he was in real life. What leads you to the conclusion that Smith was thoroughly disgusting? Everything I've read about the guy leads me to think he's probably the best Jamestown colonist, though that's not exactly a hard title to earn (so many lazy, foppish assholes!). Going way off-topic, but the reason the early days of American colonization was so amateurish is that the Americas, while new and unexplored, had little importance to the powers of Europe. It's a dirty little secret we don't learn in American schools, but Asia was the real prize, and that's where the money and guns went. Of course, America was ultimately easier to conquer, being less populated to begin with, and by people who had no immunity to old world diseases at that, but it's telling that the last battle of the American Revolution was fought not in America, but India, and had nothing to do whatsoever with American independence. |
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Post by Roy Batty's Pet Dove on Jun 19, 2016 17:46:39 GMT -5
I hate Pocahontas. At the time it came out, I was already well versed in the true story, and I was also old enough to be thoroughly unimpressed by its whitewashing of history. It's also just not a very good movie in itself. The story is weak, the animal sidekick characters aren't cute or funny enough to justify their presence, and the songs are pretty boring aside from "Colors of the Wind". The older I get, the more uncomfortable I am that John Smith was presented as her love interest, because of what a thoroughly disgusting asshole he was in real life. John Smith probably never met Pocahontas; only claiming to have done so after she became famous. And he certainly wasn't handsome. Lindsay Ellis joked that the film came off like he wrote the screenplay. Yeah, it was Katzenberg's attempt at getting taken seriously after Beauty and the Beast got a Best Picture nod. The choice to make the animation style more realistic, to have the animals not talk, and to have the native characters be as respectfully stoic and dull as possible reflects this goal. By 1992, the film was still far enough from the start of production that Katzenberg could mandate it into Oscar Bait. (in a similar but opposite move, he had them insert Those Fucking Gargoyles into The Hunchback of Notre Dame to make it more commercial) Do you think if they'd made the creative decision to be more realistic by not having the animals talk in that animated Disney movie about the talking farm animals from ca. 2004, that people would have dismissed and then completely forgotten about it even faster, or would people have already been so busy not remembering that it existed to even note that maybe it was a bad idea to try and animate a story about talking farm animals in a realistic manner such that they don't talk? |
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Post by ganews on Jun 19, 2016 18:15:35 GMT -5
John Smith probably never met Pocahontas; only claiming to have done so after she became famous. And he certainly wasn't handsome. Lindsay Ellis joked that the film came off like he wrote the screenplay. Yeah, it was Katzenberg's attempt at getting taken seriously after Beauty and the Beast got a Best Picture nod. The choice to make the animation style more realistic, to have the animals not talk, and to have the native characters be as respectfully stoic and dull as possible reflects this goal. By 1992, the film was still far enough from the start of production that Katzenberg could mandate it into Oscar Bait. (in a similar but opposite move, he had them insert Those Fucking Gargoyles into The Hunchback of Notre Dame to make it more commercial) Do you think if they'd made the creative decision to be more realistic by not having the animals talk in that animated Disney movie about the talking farm animals from ca. 2004, that people would have dismissed and then completely forgotten about it even faster, or would people have already been so busy not remembering that it existed to even note that maybe it was a bad idea to try and animate a story about talking farm animals in a realistic manner such that they don't talk? For our third date, I wanted to do a classic dinner and a movie. Wifemate, who is a big Disney person, suggested "Home On the Range", to which I said, "Ehhhh...I've heard good things about 'Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind'." We did rent the former a year later, just to see how close we came to not dating further (pretty close). |
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Post by Lt. Broccoli on Jun 19, 2016 19:17:09 GMT -5
There is a current Lion King spinoff, The Lion Guard, featuring Simba's son. Adult Simba is now voiced by Rob Lowe.
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Post by Return of the Thin Olive Duke on Jun 19, 2016 19:17:51 GMT -5
John Smith probably never met Pocahontas; only claiming to have done so after she became famous. And he certainly wasn't handsome. Lindsay Ellis joked that the film came off like he wrote the screenplay. Yeah, it was Katzenberg's attempt at getting taken seriously after Beauty and the Beast got a Best Picture nod. The choice to make the animation style more realistic, to have the animals not talk, and to have the native characters be as respectfully stoic and dull as possible reflects this goal. By 1992, the film was still far enough from the start of production that Katzenberg could mandate it into Oscar Bait. (in a similar but opposite move, he had them insert Those Fucking Gargoyles into The Hunchback of Notre Dame to make it more commercial) Do you think if they'd made the creative decision to be more realistic by not having the animals talk in that animated Disney movie about the talking farm animals from ca. 2004, that people would have dismissed and then completely forgotten about it even faster, or would people have already been so busy not remembering that it existed to even note that maybe it was a bad idea to try and animate a story about talking farm animals in a realistic manner such that they don't talk? Whatever the case, Roseanne Barr killed traditional animated features as a mainstream form of entertainment. I think it's safe to say at this point she's done more harm than good. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2016 19:21:59 GMT -5
As far as Disney goes, Hunchback is the best Renaissance film. Yes, the gargoyles are terrible, but they thankfully don't take up that much time to really sink the film. Also, Road to El Dorado is better than most Disney films. So DreamWorks did one thing right at least.
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