ArchieLeach
AV Clubber 
I talk too much, I worry me to death
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Post by ArchieLeach on Aug 24, 2017 6:39:15 GMT -5
They fixed their search engine pretty good a few months ago. Now, of course, it's back to being a disaster. But what I'm talking about is the idea of each tv show having its own page. On the old version you could click on TV and it would take you to a TV home page, and from there you could either look at the most recent reviews or pick a show from a list to go to a dedicated page for that show's reviews, sorted by season. Now if you click on TV you get the standard shitty Gawker scroll, with as far as I can see no links to reviews organized by show and season. But such pages do exist, because I found them on Google. There's just what seems like no way to get to them in the site architecture, which is hilarious. I defy any of you to figure out how to get from www.avclub.com to tv.avclub.com/c/tv-review/game-of-thrones-newbies just by clicking links. You have to Click on TV Club Click on something that is actually a review Click on the purple TV Reviews Use the All Categories to SCROLL THROUGH ALL THE SHOWS LIKE AN ANIMAL or at least that's the only way I've found so far I'm glad to see we still can Google search Popless: music.avclub.com/popless-week-35-adulteratin-the-blues-1798214838 |
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Tellyfier
TI Pariah 
Unwarned and dangerous
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Post by Tellyfier on Aug 24, 2017 7:14:03 GMT -5
So made a kinja. Did not merge yet. (does that do anything besides making my old AVC comments visible on my kinja profile? do I even want that?) My old AVC comments definitely do not appear in my Kinja profile. Neither do my Kinja comments, for that matter. But my posts aren't grayed out, and The AV Club started following me. I merged. Disqus account seems to be unaffected, but I can't access kinja anymore now. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ |
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Post by Dr. Rumak on Aug 24, 2017 7:54:12 GMT -5
I installed this and looked at an old article on lifehacker. It's really only a slight improvement, because I still have to press "Load additional comments" over and over again (it seems to load about 5 comments at a time). Maybe, like Disqus, someone can write something to fix that. I take that back. It does load all the comments. I just didn't realize I have to press "Kinjaprove" every time I get to the end of an article to get it to work. I take back my take back. It sometimes loads all the comments, and sometimes it loads more, but not all of the comments, and then I have to press "Load additional comments" over and over again. |
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Post by baulderstone on Aug 24, 2017 8:06:52 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Kinja at the moment is not being able to see who upvoted a comment. It's not just about not being able to see it on my comments. Sometime I'd see a comment by someone else that made a really obscure joke that only got three upvotes. I wanted to know what three other people got the joke. It was a way of getting to know other people there.
Now it seems upvotes are just a number, and that doesn't mean anything. Having 30 upvotes sounds good, but who those 30 people are matters.
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Post by Incense on Aug 24, 2017 8:18:28 GMT -5
I am out of the grays, and I have my old avatar automatically! Callooh callay!
Edit: but my old posts aren't on my account (yet?).
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 8:31:17 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Kinja at the moment is not being able to see who upvoted a comment. It's not just about not being able to see it on my comments. Sometime I'd see a comment by someone else that made a really obscure joke that only got three upvotes. I wanted to know what three other people got the joke. It was a way of getting to know other people there. Now it seems upvotes are just a number, and that doesn't mean anything. Having 30 upvotes sounds good, but who those 30 people are matters. You can actually see it, but it's a pretty major pain in the ass. You have to click on "see all notifications," then it will take you to a page where you can see all of your notifications, then it will say something like "Dikachu and 50 other people liked your comment," and if you click on the 50, it will reveal ten names and leave a 40, and if you click on that it will reveal another ten names, etc., etc. Kinja is a really bad layout for fostering a community. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 8:32:55 GMT -5
Edit: but my old posts aren't on my account (yet?). I don't think they're going to migrate posts, despite saying that they were. I think it would be technologically incredibly difficult, and it might be legally dicey, depending on the nature of the agreement with Disqus, plus moving people's comments who haven't necessarily agreed to have them moved. I think it's going to be the "notifications are returning" of Kinja; they'll say it's coming until people stop asking about it. |
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Invisible Goat
Shoutbox Elitist 
Grab your mother's keys, we're leaving
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Post by Invisible Goat on Aug 24, 2017 8:33:24 GMT -5
This is depressing. I just aimlessly clicked around for a couple minutes and found that there is a Brand New review. Like there's no way of knowing that unless you go to the music section now. And there's like 10 comments when normally I would have spent all day going back and forth with people about Brand New and getting notifications and shit like that. I still don't even have an account because I'm legacy. I'm sad.
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Post by liebkartoffel on Aug 24, 2017 8:36:28 GMT -5
Edit: but my old posts aren't on my account (yet?). I don't think they're going to migrate posts, despite saying that they were. I think it would be technologically incredibly difficult, and it might be legally dicey, depending on the nature of the agreement with Disqus, plus moving people's comments who haven't necessarily agreed to have them moved. I think it's going to be the "notifications are returning" of Kinja; they'll say it's coming until people stop asking about it. Yeah I never bought that. And it seems highly unlikely that they'll actually be able to migrate pre-Disqus accounts as well. |
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ArchieLeach
AV Clubber
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Post by ArchieLeach on Aug 24, 2017 8:41:47 GMT -5
I was logged in to my Disqus account in Firefox, and I managed to merge my account and not be grey on Kinja, but the merging process took me straight from the "create burner account" button to my burner account being created, without ever showing me the burner key. If I understand how burner accounts work, I think that means I can never log out if I want to keep using the account, nor can I ever log in on any other computer. Looking through the comment thread on the Kinja changeover page, it seems a lot of other people had the same issue. If it's true that the merging process works fine in Internet Explorer, but gives people this fatal flaw in Firefox, I have to assume that the merging process was only ever tested out in Internet Explorer, and if that's true, someone at Kinja should seriously be fired, because that is nowhere near due diligence for this type of changeover. Preferably Ernie. Hello, Miss Victoria. Good to see you. Be sure to join the AV Clubbers group. I got a little confused. Thought I successfully transferred my legacy account to Kinja, made a couple of nonsense posts, but couldn't connect today. No, I will not link FB, Twit, or Goog to my account, and it's not a burner, it's an account endorsed by Arch himself, thank you. Besides that, it's impossible to write anything of depth on Kinja. So maybe I have a new home here. I guess AVC's migration is working better than they planned. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 8:44:44 GMT -5
I don't think they're going to migrate posts, despite saying that they were. I think it would be technologically incredibly difficult, and it might be legally dicey, depending on the nature of the agreement with Disqus, plus moving people's comments who haven't necessarily agreed to have them moved. I think it's going to be the "notifications are returning" of Kinja; they'll say it's coming until people stop asking about it. Yeah I never bought that. And it seems highly unlikely that they'll actually be able to migrate pre-Disqus accounts as well. I think all the "migrating" of accounts is confirming that an old account existed and using that to grant a specific privilege (being ungreyed on the AVC) to the new account. My disqus account is still active; it didn't become a kinja account. |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Aug 24, 2017 8:46:59 GMT -5
From what I understand, Kinja is designed for a few articles a day blog-type deal, not a gigantic sprawling pop culture website with numerous sections and sub-sections. It's already just a complete mess. I mean, most of the most popular Kinja sites are pubbed many, many times per day. It might have been designed with that in mind, but it's become a major publishing system. I don't think that is the problem in and of itself. Though I do think they could have done more to think about the connection among subsites. Maybe not so much designed for fewer posts but designed with a much simpler information architecture in mind. The most recent redesign for AV Club was already not the best for finding stuff like What's on Tonight and the like, but at least it was on the front page, and once you knew where to find it you could find it again. The Kinja version, like its brethren, seems designed to keep me scrolling through endless content, which is fine if I'm a casual reader looking for time to kill, but incredibly frustrating if I want to read something specific, like, say, the recent Logan Lucky review. |
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Post by Liz n Dicksgiving on Aug 24, 2017 8:52:15 GMT -5
That's the thing, it isn't that hard to do both. I find it hard to believe that the Kinja family of products receives such an inconsequential amount of traffic from desktops/laptops to not warrant a variant from the mobile/tablet design. Yeah, I mean, I like to lurk from work, which means desktop. I sometimes lurk on weekends on my phone, but there's so much less content on the weekends that sometimes I hardly bother. Don't they *want* to pull in that slacker-at-work crowd? All this time I'd assumed that at least 90% of their readers was from the slacker-at-work crowd. Who knew that so many people were spending their actual personal free time visiting the AV Club? |
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Post by liebkartoffel on Aug 24, 2017 8:57:04 GMT -5
Yeah I never bought that. And it seems highly unlikely that they'll actually be able to migrate pre-Disqus accounts as well. I think all the "migrating" of accounts is confirming that an old account existed and using that to grant a specific privilege (being ungreyed on the AVC) to the new account. My disqus account is still active; it didn't become a kinja account. Weirdly, I tried posting "I wonder if the old AV Club account will work on another Kinja site?" on Lifehacker or something, and they immediately ungreyed me there. I wonder if they've been told to roll out the red carpet for AV Clubbers. |
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Post by pairesta on Aug 24, 2017 9:02:07 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna try to dive in and move my legacy AVClub account over.
But wait, where's the announcement from yesterday that had instructions on how to do that? It's already off the front page and not on Aux or Newswires section.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 9:05:36 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna try to dive in and move my legacy AVClub account over. But wait, where's the announcement from yesterday that had instructions on how to do that? It's already off the front page and not on Aux or Newswires section. |
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Post by Pastafarian on Aug 24, 2017 9:07:56 GMT -5
So, it looks like it's working well enough for some folks, I saw a few regulars posting comments.
But then I saw like three memes posted in a row. I sometimes wished for the ability to post images or Gifs in a thread, I no longer have that desire.
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Post by Pastafarian on Aug 24, 2017 9:10:13 GMT -5
I'm just bummed we'll never know the true identity of Elegant Victorian Lady.
*faints dead away*
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Post by twofcksforbela on Aug 24, 2017 9:14:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I mean, I like to lurk from work, which means desktop. I sometimes lurk on weekends on my phone, but there's so much less content on the weekends that sometimes I hardly bother. Don't they *want* to pull in that slacker-at-work crowd? All this time I'd assumed that at least 90% of their readers was from the slacker-at-work crowd. Who knew that so many people were spending their actual personal free time visiting the AV Club? I was in the habit of flipping my laptop open after dinner to scroll through the comment threads for a couple of hours. I'm sort of isolated where I am right now, so it was sort of a way of engaging in actual intelligent conversation. And kept me from having to deal with the steakheads at my local bar. |
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Post by Incense on Aug 24, 2017 9:15:20 GMT -5
I'm just bummed we'll never know the true identity of Elegant Victorian Lady. *faints dead away*Agreed, and also, the Taco Bell Bell. Always made me laugh. |
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Post by twofcksforbela on Aug 24, 2017 9:18:31 GMT -5
This is depressing. I just aimlessly clicked around for a couple minutes and found that there is a Brand New review. Like there's no way of knowing that unless you go to the music section now. And there's like 10 comments when normally I would have spent all day going back and forth with people about Brand New and getting notifications and shit like that. I still don't even have an account because I'm legacy. I'm sad. I tried to get my account, and it looked like it might have worked or might have not, and then I took a look at a couple of the populated comment threads and thought, "You know, even if I do get my account migrated, I don't think I want to do this anymore." It's just a mess. |
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LazBro
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Post by LazBro on Aug 24, 2017 9:24:56 GMT -5
This is depressing. I just aimlessly clicked around for a couple minutes and found that there is a Brand New review. Like there's no way of knowing that unless you go to the music section now. And there's like 10 comments when normally I would have spent all day going back and forth with people about Brand New and getting notifications and shit like that. I still don't even have an account because I'm legacy. I'm sad. Ironically, here on the second day of this ruined world, I have posted more comments at TOC than I had in maybe the 2 years prior. That Brand New review is a big part of why. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 9:26:33 GMT -5
Email from my wife today: "New AV Club SUUUUUUUUX"
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Post by pairesta on Aug 24, 2017 9:33:53 GMT -5
Well I'm gonna try to dive in and move my legacy AVClub account over. But wait, where's the announcement from yesterday that had instructions on how to do that? It's already off the front page and not on Aux or Newswires section. OK, be patient with grampy here. So you can only create a Kinja account with a Google, Facebook, or Twitter account, none of which I have (or would want traced to activity on the AVClub). So I have to create a burner account, which means I won't ever be able to merge my old AVClub account with my Kinja one? Whatever happened to just providing an email? |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 24, 2017 9:38:44 GMT -5
Just give up. This is a trainwreck of epic proportions, and they reap what they sow. Join us! Don't look back!   |
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halfmanhalfnapkin
Newbie
Roaming the apocalyptic wasteland that was the AV Club looking for survivors to join the resistance.
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Post by halfmanhalfnapkin on Aug 24, 2017 9:41:34 GMT -5
So is this where all the AVC Disqus freedom fighters hangout? I tried the new Kinja platform and I can't even read the articles with that terrible design. The white is blinding and the transfer process failed for me over and over again.
AVC was my favorite place to spend time on the internet. Keyword WAS. I guess I'll just lurk here for 3 years until I get the guts to comment more.
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 9:42:48 GMT -5
OK, be patient with grampy here. So you can only create a Kinja account with a Google, Facebook, or Twitter account, none of which I have (or would want traced to activity on the AVClub). So I have to create a burner account, which means I won't ever be able to merge my old AVClub account with my Kinja one? Whatever happened to just providing an email? I think the "merger" is horseshit. What I'd recommend is create a burner, and then email either a writer you have a friendly relationship or, if you'd rather, Ernie, and ask them to ungray you, explaining the problem. |
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Post by baulderstone on Aug 24, 2017 9:49:56 GMT -5
My biggest disappointment with Kinja at the moment is not being able to see who upvoted a comment. It's not just about not being able to see it on my comments. Sometime I'd see a comment by someone else that made a really obscure joke that only got three upvotes. I wanted to know what three other people got the joke. It was a way of getting to know other people there. Now it seems upvotes are just a number, and that doesn't mean anything. Having 30 upvotes sounds good, but who those 30 people are matters. You can actually see it, but it's a pretty major pain in the ass. You have to click on "see all notifications," then it will take you to a page where you can see all of your notifications, then it will say something like "Dikachu and 50 other people liked your comment," and if you click on the 50, it will reveal ten names and leave a 40, and if you click on that it will reveal another ten names, etc., etc. Kinja is a really bad layout for fostering a community. The problem is that I still can't see who liked other people's comments. It feels a lot less community when I can't hear who is laughing at other people's jokes. |
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Post by Ben Grimm on Aug 24, 2017 9:51:35 GMT -5
You can actually see it, but it's a pretty major pain in the ass. You have to click on "see all notifications," then it will take you to a page where you can see all of your notifications, then it will say something like "Dikachu and 50 other people liked your comment," and if you click on the 50, it will reveal ten names and leave a 40, and if you click on that it will reveal another ten names, etc., etc. Kinja is a really bad layout for fostering a community. The problem is that I still can't see who liked other people's comments. It feels a lot less community when I can't hear who is laughing at other people's jokes. No, that, you can't do. It's one of the many, many big problems with trying to maintain a community with Kinja. |
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Post by Pedantic Editor Type on Aug 24, 2017 9:51:59 GMT -5
So... as swagonion alluded to, my biggest problem is really with the site layout, despite the attempt at the top of the page to make it look more like the "old" AVC it devolves quickly into a mess where you can't find anything more than 6 hours old. You CAN see who starred your posts - there's an icon at the top right that is a plain white circle when there's no notifications and turns into a number when you have some. And you can go to your dashboard there. But ugh, it just ... lost all of its personality. I know. Univision cares about clicks, not comments. I've been saying it too. It just sucks to lose that sense of community. |
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